cooler than cap?

[PrimalScream]

U.S.Agent:is he cooler than captain america?should he be leading the avengers? Does west coast still exist even with the new avengers happening? if so he should lead it. i like him alot better than cap.what yoy guys and gals think?

[mushroom2703]

I think he's a potentially great character, but writers haven't handled him that well, and he's in a bit of a rut right now. I thought the new Invaders was a great concept, and i actually enjoyed how it panned out, but admittedly, Walker could have been handled a whole lot better. The whole "i AM captain america" got old quickly. He needs his own identity, as a black ops type Captain America. A Captain America who's happy to kill and go to extremes to get the job done. I actually hope he takes Brubaker's fancy, i imagine Brubaker would write John Walker very well. I also didn't see the point in anti-cap in C&F, they could have just used Walker, and he already has an erratic history towards Cap. I'm pretty damn sure West Coast doesn't exist at all anymore, and the New Invaders has recently shown him in action anyway. I do think he's a great character, and his anti-cap premise definetely could be written well. Seriously though, i don't see Marvel doing anything major with him. Jacobson said that when he was told the new Invaders title was cancelled, he got the impression Marvel did have plans for a new Invaders title at the basic stages, so who knows. Those characters have all proved they have a fan following, and with the demise of the torch, theres gotta be something marvel can do with the team. Fingers crossed.

[Alan2099]

Brubaker should have been writting U.S. Agent, his style seems to fit the guy better than it does the real cap.

[Shellhead]

U.S.Agent:is he cooler than captain america?should he be leading the avengers? Does west coast still exist even with the new avengers happening? if so he should lead it. i like him alot better than cap.what yoy guys and gals think?

There must be some new definition of "cool" that I am unfamiliar with, because there's nothing cool about John Walker. He's an angry, amoral, aggressive jerk who talks to himself when nobody is around. Marvel has converted too many villains into good guys, they should send this one back to the bad guys.

[mushroom2703]

There must be some new definition of "cool" that I am unfamiliar with, because there's nothing cool about John Walker. He's an angry, amoral, aggressive jerk who talks to himself when nobody is around. Marvel has converted too many villains into good guys, they should send this one back to the bad guys.

You have a point, but during the recent Invaders run, there were times were he softened and showed some compassion, especially with his feelings that "no-one is left behind". Although he's a jerk, he's a jerk trying to live up to a name that he clearly can't, and somewhere below he does have feelings. Something about that does appeal to me, it just needs handled correctly; something which hasn't really happened in a long while. I wouldn't mind reading a book where ultimately he does become a badguy. He's already edging it and if written by say Brubaker, it could be quite compelling imo.

[PrimalScream]

i like heroes who could become bad or stay good.i think they have more potential.like batman or ultimate giantman.

[The Shadow]

Cap's THE MAN.

Everyone else is a pale imitation (including his Ultimate counterpart)

[Ant-Man]

There must be some new definition of "cool" that I am unfamiliar with, because there's nothing cool about John Walker. He's an angry, amoral, aggressive jerk who talks to himself when nobody is around. Marvel has converted too many villains into good guys, they should send this one back to the bad guys.

This is the reason I prefer him over Steve.

[Dark Soul # 7]

Captain America is the most noble hero of all, in that area he beats the crap out of Superman, and no dude who tries the same sthick but is a jerk is cooler than the original.
And I say this with Cap not even being on my top ten favorite marvel characters list.

[pureclint]

Cap's THE MAN.

Everyone else is a pale imitation (including his Ultimate counterpart)

When done properly, ala Burbakers current run I agree with Shadow 100% and I really dig Ultimate Cap to boot.

[PrimalScream]

Captain America is the most noble hero of all, in that area he beats the crap out of Superman, and no dude who tries the same sthick but is a jerk is cooler than the original.
And I say this with Cap not even being on my top ten favorite marvel characters list.

that's the reason i like usagent.he has faults and is more human in my opinion. i like heroes who aren't near perfect.more character even though he is a jerk.

[Beta Ray Bill]

It's all about the Spirit of '76!!!

[mushroom2703]

Wasn't that the first replacement Cap after he was assumed dead? Whats he got to do with it?

[Dark Soul # 7]

that's the reason i like usagent.he has faults and is more human in my opinion. i like heroes who aren't near perfect.more character even though he is a jerk.
I like Cap because his personality falls more into the hero department of the MUs heros then the human guy department but he doesn´t get all the freaky powers that others in the hero department get.
He just a good guy. and in the world of freaks with claws, chains and bad attitudes it´s nie to have a guy like Captain America around.

[StoneGold]

Captain America is like the irony of the Marvel Universe. The most noble and most skilled of them all is the least powerful. He's an interesting contradiction.

Whereas USAgent is basically just a jerk. Now, I love him as the jerk. Actually, scratch that, he surpasses jerk and goes straight to royal *******. But with the right writer, he makes a great royal *******. The kind of guy who is great in bringing conflict to a group dynamic.

[Shellhead]

that's the reason i like usagent.he has faults and is more human in my opinion. i like heroes who aren't near perfect.more character even though he is a jerk.

There aren't any nice people in your life?

[mushroom2703]

There aren't any nice people in your life?

I'm having trouble figuring out how that comment could be made without bringing down the thread slightly. I get the point you don't like USagent, but thats kinda lame. You showed your frank dislike for him and i dig that, but if you're not going to be a bit more thoughtful, whats the point?

[Jake V]

that's the reason i like usagent.he has faults and is more human in my opinion. i like heroes who aren't near perfect.more character even though he is a jerk.
Being a douchebag doesn't make you "more human", it just makes you a douchebag.

John Walker was a character specifically designed to be a jerk, the antithesis of Cap. He was never designed to be realistic, he was designed to be an ass.


Also, no one is cooler than Cap, this threads question has been asked and answered, it can be closed now.

[BlackKnight]

Being a douchebag doesn't make you "more human", it just makes you a douchebag.

John Walker was a character specifically designed to be a jerk, the antithesis of Cap. He was never designed to be realistic, he was designed to be an ass.


Also, no one is cooler than Cap, this threads question has been asked and answered, it can be closed now.


I agree with Jake, nobody is cooler then Cap.. I do find it amusing that some readers think that to be human means you have to be an ass and have all these way blown out of proportion problems. Sorry I don't think the majority of populace are crazed murders, who have delusions of granduar like Walker. Most have normal ever day problems like, does that girl like me, do I have time to date, and work... I hope everything goes smoothly today at work. Problems like that would make charaters more human, oh wait, Spidey is like that so is Cap in many ways. Nevermind. :)

[Ant-Man]

Being a douchebag doesn't make you "more human", it just makes you a douchebag.

John Walker was a character specifically designed to be a jerk, the antithesis of Cap. He was never designed to be realistic, he was designed to be an ass.


Also, no one is cooler than Cap, this threads question has been asked and answered, it can be closed now.

But what about readers like me, who enjoy the wise-ass superheros? I love characters like Guy Gardner, Lobo, And U.S. Agent. Every team of heros needs a jerk or 2 to stir things up a bit :D .

[1HELLBOY]

Cap's definately cooler than U.S.Agent. Hands down.

[Shellhead]

I'm having trouble figuring out how that comment could be made without bringing down the thread slightly. I get the point you don't like USagent, but thats kinda lame. You showed your frank dislike for him and i dig that, but if you're not going to be a bit more thoughtful, whats the point?

I am very thoughtfully expressing concern that the poster known as "Primal Scream" has had such negative life experiences that he finds ******** to be more realistic than any other kind of people.

[Ant-Man]

finds ******** to be more realistic than any other kind of people.

Everybody has a little bit of ******* in them. But some people are all ******* :D . So none of us can say we are not around them at some time, or all of the time ;) .

[mushroom2703]

I am very thoughtfully expressing concern that the poster known as "Primal Scream" has had such negative life experiences that he finds ******** to be more realistic than any other kind of people.

Lmao, i suppose i should be grateful for that. I don't think that his *******ness makes him more realistic than others. I just think he does have qualities writers have failed to capitalise on repeatedly that do exist outwith his jerk like behaviour. However, theres a good chance i'm just being bias. Something about the character just appeals to me. If they can quit focusing on his failure at being Captain America, and look past that and onwards, he could be cool.

[Jake V]

But what about readers like me, who enjoy the wise-ass superheros? I love characters like Guy Gardner, Lobo, And U.S. Agent. Every team of heros needs a jerk or 2 to stir things up a bit :D .
There's a difference between being a wiseass and being a homocidal right-wing nutjob. I wasn't saying anything about their usefulness on a team, but I was commenting about how being a prick doesn't make a character any more realistic than a character that is a decent guy.

[Red State Cap]

Is USAgent cooler than Cap? No.
However, as a right-winger, I believe that characters like USAgent are treated in a ridiculous and stereoptypical fashion by Marvel. Any right-wing "superhero" must invariably an unstable, bigoted, racist, stupid, etc *******.
An excellent case in point is the recent "Anti-Cap" in Captain America & Falcon. He's such a carbon-copy of John Walker it's laughable. Apparently that's as much imagination as some writers have. Likewise, Adm. Westbrook is only about the thousandth cookie-cutter "Evil Military Industrial Complex Villain" I've seen from Marvel.
The principle behind the character is good, i.e. a right-wing or "Ultimate Cap," but the execution is ridiculous, as is typical for Marvel.

RSC

[Frank]

Marvel should have had the guts to make Walker the permanent Cap in the late 80s.

[Shellhead]

Is USAgent cooler than Cap? No.
However, as a right-winger, I believe that characters like USAgent are treated in a ridiculous and stereoptypical fashion by Marvel. Any right-wing "superhero" must invariably an unstable, bigoted, racist, stupid, etc *******.
An excellent case in point is the recent "Anti-Cap" in Captain America & Falcon. He's such a carbon-copy of John Walker it's laughable. Apparently that's as much imagination as some writers have. Likewise, Adm. Westbrook is only about the thousandth cookie-cutter "Evil Military Industrial Complex Villain" I've seen from Marvel.
The principle behind the character is good, i.e. a right-wing or "Ultimate Cap," but the execution is ridiculous, as is typical for Marvel.

RSC

Although it's never been emphasized, I always assumed that Tony Stark was at least a moderate Republican.

[Atom_basher]

Being a douchebag doesn't make you "more human", it just makes you a douchebag.

John Walker was a character specifically designed to be a jerk, the antithesis of Cap. He was never designed to be realistic, he was designed to be an ass.


Also, no one is cooler than Cap, this threads question has been asked and answered, it can be closed now.



Hey Jake V you just made my signature

[PrimalScream]

There aren't any nice people in your life?

no there aren't where im from the majority of people have attitudes like batman,usagent and quicksilver.whens the last time you met someone as noble as cap?hardly ever.whens the last time you met an ******* like walker?almost all the time.cap doesnt have much character in my opinion.

[tricksterpup]

hhhmm
Guy Gardner: Hal Jordan
John Walker: Steve Rogers

Guy is cooler than John but I think John needs a tough guy writer such as Dixon or Beau Smith doing some of his stories.

[PrimalScream]

walker had a better costume.

[PrimalScream]

does anyone think ultimate cap is alot like usagent in attitude

[tricksterpup]

does anyone think ultimate cap is alot like usagent in attitude

no, not even close.

[Shellhead]

walker had a better costume.

Steve Rogers wore it first, when he was calling himself simply The Captain.

[PrimalScream]

walker made it his own. my ideal team would be USAgent,quicksilver,yellowjacket,war machine,namor,genis vell,wasp and moondragon. the majority are wideasses so it would be fun to see.

[tricksterpup]

I would have to disagree a whole group of wise asses would just become boring and would not work as a team.
If Walker was truly in the military he would have been arrested to many times. Ideally he would not be a very good solider.

[PrimalScream]

he's a rebel man!YEAH!

[Ant-Man]

walker made it his own. my ideal team would be USAgent,quicksilver,yellowjacket,war machine,namor,genis vell,wasp and moondragon. the majority are wideasses so it would be fun to see.

I would buy a comic book with this team roster :D .

[Alan2099]

When you get so many characters together, they get repedative. What makes them intresting is how they interact with others. All those together would just constantly be fighting each other.

[PrimalScream]

I would buy a comic book with this team roster :D .

yeah me too.i'd call it Avengers:wise-ass warriors! or avengers elite! maybe........

[NormanB]

Did USAagent get Super Soldier Serum?

[PrimalScream]

i think he got a version of it.i could be wrong.i think the comisson did give him something though.

[StoneGold]

the majority are wideasses so it would be fun to see.
Really? A team of fatty Avengers?

Did USAagent get Super Soldier Serum? Nope, Walker had the PowerBroker treatment developed by Dr. Karl Malus, the same treatment D-Man and Sharon Ventura had. It gives more strength, but a good chunk of the people who get it turn into monsters, so it's pretty risky. And Walker got it himself when he and the BUCKIES were looking to become UWC wrestlers.

[PrimalScream]

[QUOTE=StoneGold]Really? A team of fatty Avengers?

that was a joke right?sorry im not good with jokes.i lack much of a sense of humor.

[StoneGold]

You wrote a team of wideasses instead of a team of wiseasses.

[PrimalScream]

ah i see.sorry about that.