A.S.o.I.a.F. 'Feast for Crows" Its Done!!! [Archive]

Valmore

05-30-2005, 10:22 AM

Of course, this means we won't get to see what happens to Jon Snow or anything up in the North (sad). However, we should get to see what happens to Tyrion, Jamie and everyone in the South.

At any rate, hopefully this means the books will be in our grubby little hands within a couple months.

Mike Smash!

05-30-2005, 11:13 AM

God, I need a cigarette... and I don't even smoke.

I wonder which points of view are going to be included now.

Expletive Deleted

05-30-2005, 11:51 AM

As long as the wait for A DANCE WITH DRAGONS isn't too long, I'll be happy.

im399unot

05-30-2005, 11:55 AM

As long as the wait for A DANCE WITH DRAGONS isn't too long, I'll be happy.

If you read his whole update at the site it says that Dance with Dragons is also half done. I would expect that within a year, or less, from the release of Feast.

Expletive Deleted

05-30-2005, 12:11 PM

Yeah, I read that.

How long had FEAST been almost done, though?

Inkthinker

05-30-2005, 12:31 PM

God knows, but at least this first volume will deal with Arya, which is a story I've been very interested insince I read the small excerpt he published on his site, which leads me to believe that her story is indeed going where I expected it to...

I am disappointed in a total lack of Jon Snow, but I think he may have the right idea in his division... while the different chapters of characters in the South and so forth interlace heavily, I'm sure, Dany's chapters in the East have always been sort of stand-alone arcs, and much the same can be said of the arcs taking place in the North. Due to distance and time, these characters are barely (if at all) aware or, even capable of acting upon, events taking place far away. So while their events may be taking place at the same time, they bear little active relation upon each other, for the most part. And I trust Martin to fix it up right.

SO... when do I get my first friggin' book!?! Amazon says July 25, but they've been saying all kinds of crazy shit.

Inkthinker

05-30-2005, 12:38 PM

I wonder which points of view are going to be included now.

Well, let's start a list.

Book 1 (according to his post) deals with: "Westeros, King's Landing, the riverlands, Dorne, and the Iron Islands. More than that I won't say".

So, let's see... that means we'll probaby be seeing

Cersei
Jaime
Tyrion
Arya
Sansa
Brienne
whathisname, the Drowned Priest

and others... of course, he did say there are also new points of view as well. Did Davos go with Stannis to the North? I can't recall...

Joe Zool

05-30-2005, 02:47 PM

No Jon Snow. :(

But more Arya, yay! :)

MKTerra

05-30-2005, 04:13 PM

The book is done, Check his site.

http://georgerrmartin.com/Woohoo! :)

When I saw the thread title, I was like "If this is a joke, I'm gonna...!!" *flexes claws* :p

Michael P

05-30-2005, 05:11 PM

At any rate, hopefully this means the books will be in our grubby little hands within a couple months.
If CROWS is in production now, then it ought to be in stores by the end of the year. Depending on how much of DRAGONS is done in Martin's head (sounds like all of it), we may be able to expect it in the second half of next year.

Karl J. Barnes

05-30-2005, 05:13 PM

Mia

05-30-2005, 07:15 PM

If you read his whole update at the site it says that Dance with Dragons is also half done. I would expect that within a year, or less, from the release of Feast.

Are you telling me this man doesn't write chapter by chapter? I thought I was the only one who wrote by jumping all over the place. I feel as if I am in exalted company!

FarStrider

05-30-2005, 09:19 PM

*Does the HAPPY DANCE!!!!!!!* I caught this thread out of the corner of my eye while clicking on something else, and had to immediately come back to it. . . all I can say is HELL Yeah!! Can't wait!! and DANCE is halfway done too?? HELL Yeah! This has definitely made my night. . .

Valmore

05-30-2005, 11:36 PM

Well, let's start a list.

Book 1 (according to his post) deals with: "Westeros, King's Landing, the riverlands, Dorne, and the Iron Islands. More than that I won't say".

So, let's see... that means we'll probaby be seeing

Cersei
Jaime
Tyrion
Arya
Sansa
Brienne
whathisname, the Drowned Priest

and others... of course, he did say there are also new points of view as well. Did Davos go with Stannis to the North? I can't recall...

No, Davos is not in the North with Stannis. Since the King himself went to wage war in the North, the King's Hand was left behind to guard his holding in the South. And after re-reading the final chapters, Davos is nowhere to be found amongst them. Melisandre is there, but Davos is still in the South. Stannis only mentions Davos, how he told him he needed to protect the kingdom to win the throne, but never points him out. If Davos had been in his company, he would have been there and bowed or something.

So no, Davos is not in the North, and could very well be in book four.

However, Martin mentions the Iron Islands - meaning we might get to see Asha (Theon's sister) as a possible new point of view! Since Theon has been taken hostage and their father died, she's the Queen of Salt and Iron, and may have had to go back to claim such.

Inkthinker

05-30-2005, 11:46 PM

Yeah, Davos is with Stannis in the North. Isn't Caitlyn the Drowned Priest now?

No, she's hanging with Thoros, who is the Red Priest, or the Fire Priest or somesuch... with Bendic Dondarrion, who's been killed a dozen times or so, now.

The Drowned Priest is one of the Iron Men, the viking-types that burned Winterfell.

Is Theon really dead, or is that just a rumour that's going around the land?

Inkthinker

05-30-2005, 11:51 PM

So no, Davos is not in the North, and could very well be in book four.

However, Martin mentions the Iron Islands - meaning we might get to see Asha (Theon's sister) as a possible new point of view! Since Theon has been taken hostage and their father died, she's the Queen of Salt and Iron, and may have had to go back to claim such.

See, I thought he left Davos in the South.

So very likely Davos, then... almost definitely, I should think, given the machinations of Melisandre and the threat that still hangs over Robert's bastard.

Cool... I like Davos.

So Theon is hostage then? I totally missed this, somehow... for that matter, I can't remember the last thing that I read about Theon.

Is he hostage to Roose Bolton? And they've already maimed him somehow...?

Dammit, I just read the book a few months ago. Guess I oughta at least skim the second half before the new release.

I expect Asha is a shoe-in POV as well. Sexxxayyyy...

:D

Valmore

05-30-2005, 11:52 PM

No, she's hanging with Thoros, who is the Red Priest, or the Fire Priest or somesuch... with Bendic Dondarrion, who's been killed a dozen times or so, now.

The Drowned Priest is one of the Iron Men, the viking-types that burned Winterfell.

Is Theon really dead, or is that just a rumour that's going around the land?

Balon GreyJoy is dead for certain. If I remember correctly, Balon had been sent a piece of Theon - a finger, or something. So I don't think he's dead - he's being held hostage somewhere in the North after his men, led by Reek, turned on him in Winterfell. His final chapter in ACofK ends with him going unconscious as his own horse kicks him. He could be dead, but I'm betting not, since a highborn son makes for a good hostage.

There wasn't a whole lot on the GreyJoy's in ASofS, sadly. I could try and go back and find it, but it would take forever.

Inkthinker

05-30-2005, 11:59 PM

Side note:

If you like A Song of Ice and Fire, you might also enjoy the manga Berserk. It's set in a world not unlike Westeros, and intricately drawn in a detailed style with realistic designs. There's even a fairly sensible reason for the hero to weild his giant sword (the first sword he ever lifted as a child was a full-sized bastard sword, and he's never trained with anything lighter. By the time he was 15 he used an iron sword 6 feet long and 5 inches wide at the base... essentially a huge broad-bladed claymore. It's still ridiculous, but everyone who he meets thinks so as well.)

It's a really gruesome, bloody, adult-oriented book. violent in every sense of the word... but then again, the world of Westeros is equally brutal.

You can find the manga at any Borders. It's shrink-wrapped though, for content. The art really kicks in around vol. 4, and if you don't mind a small bit of confusion about the exceedingly horrific event that takes place in the first pages of the volume (which admittedly has repercussions that last through the character's life), you could quite easily start with that one and return to the first 3 if you like what you see.

MKTerra

05-31-2005, 12:38 AM

IIRC they sent a piece of Theon's skin from his finger or something, and they're flaying him bit by bit.

And people are catching the joke in the "Dance of Dragons is half-done" comment, right? I.e., it's half-done because what couldn't fit in Crows has been pushed back into Dragons? I actually can't tell if people are getting it, from the comments on it...

Inkthinker

05-31-2005, 12:47 AM

And people are catching the joke in the "Dance of Dragons is half-done" comment, right? I.e., it's half-done because what couldn't fit in Crows has been pushed back into Dragons? I actually can't tell if people are getting it, from the comments on it...

It's pretty clear that he's extending the series this way. He says in the message that the expected length of the saga now is at least seven books.

I should hope he'll take this page ceiling into account more now, and perhaps we'll get the books a little sooner if he just bundles off the package every 1200 pages or so as soon as they're ready, rather than trying to tie everything up... I hadn't noticed he was afraid of cliffhangers and dangling plotlines before now, so maybe I'm misunderstanding something about his requisites for what makes a book "done".

I'm hoping for a little Gregor Clegane POV... I can't believe he hasn't survived. He too much of a raging bad-ass monster to die.

stevelabny

05-31-2005, 04:59 PM

I do believe that Arya and Tyrion will join Jon and Dany NOT being in this book. As they are both headed across the sea.

Valmore

05-31-2005, 05:02 PM

I do believe that Arya and Tyrion will join Jon and Dany NOT being in this book. As they are both headed across the sea.

That's a good point, except I'm guessing Tyrion might not bother going across the sea. He wants to find Tysha, if possible - at least, that was the impression I got after he left his father dying on the toilet, though he did say he had a boat to catch... could go either way.

Shellhead

05-31-2005, 09:31 PM

Are you telling me this man doesn't write chapter by chapter? I thought I was the only one who wrote by jumping all over the place. I feel as if I am in exalted company!

I wouldn't go that far. He probably wrote these next two books together, alternating between different characters but maintaining the same time frame. Or maybe the opposite, telling one story then another and then weaving the chapters together. But for a work of this epic scope, I doubt that Martin just jumps all over the place. There are just too many moving pieces for that to work out well.

beryl

06-01-2005, 02:56 PM

OMFG!!!!!!!! :eek:

I'm literally shaking with anticipation!!!

...Wow. Just, Wow.

Shellhead

06-01-2005, 03:45 PM

Looking at the name of this thread again, I just realized something. I really hate the name "A Song of Ice and Fire" for this series. It's overly pretentious and clumsy. And I say this as a big fan of Martin since 1985, when I first read Fevre Dream. I prefer to refer to this series as the Game of Thrones series, and everybody knows what I'm talking about anyway. It's actually much more descriptive, too, unless this war on the northern wall is going to dominate most of the remaining books.

ratzo

06-01-2005, 07:57 PM

That's a good point, except I'm guessing Tyrion might not bother going across the sea. He wants to find Tysha, if possible - at least, that was the impression I got after he left his father dying on the toilet, though he did say he had a boat to catch... could go either way.

How can Tyrion stay in Westeros, though? He was accused of murdering Joffrey and came damn close to getting executed for it. It's not like he can hide; everyone knows who he is and will automatically assume he's a murderer.

I think we'll get to see Asha as well, though I'm not sure what role she'll play. And I definitely want more Brienne!

Valmore

06-02-2005, 12:15 AM

How can Tyrion stay in Westeros, though? He was accused of murdering Joffrey and came damn close to getting executed for it. It's not like he can hide; everyone knows who he is and will automatically assume he's a murderer.

I think we'll get to see Asha as well, though I'm not sure what role she'll play. And I definitely want more Brienne!

It's not really "safe" for Tyrion Lannister anywhere. Once Cersei finds out he's gone, he's going to be hunted down wherever he goes - be the Free Cities or Winterfell. About the only place he'd even stand a chance is at The Wall, but he didn't seem too keen on going there, considering he turned down Tywin Lannister's offer with a crossbow bolt to the groinage area.

Mike Smash!

06-02-2005, 01:59 AM

It's not really "safe" for Tyrion Lannister anywhere. Once Cersei finds out he's gone, he's going to be hunted down wherever he goes - be the Free Cities or Winterfell. About the only place he'd even stand a chance is at The Wall, but he didn't seem too keen on going there, considering he turned down Tywin Lannister's offer with a crossbow bolt to the groinage area.He's not the first person to be smuggled out of King's Landing by Varys.

You might remember that the last person Varys smuggled out of the country was Ser Barristan Selmy and we all know where he ended up. Varys has some sort of plot with Illyrio Mopatis and we know from the sneak previews that Martin's been reading to audiences in the past year that Tyrion's first chapter will be about his meeting with Illyrio across the sea.

And in the very first book, Tyrion once expressed that his childhood dream was to ride a dragon. :)

Dany might be the one person who wouldn't mind that he had killed Tywin Lannister (the man who betrayed her father) and is accused of killing Joffrey.

I'm praying for at least one Tyrion chapter in "Feast"