(Full Roster)JLA,X-Men and Avengers .vs...

[Count_Nefaria]

(Full Roster).anyone who has been a member of JLA,X-Men and Avengers

Vs..

Maestro
Asgardian Destroyer
Thanos
Imperiex
Onslaught
Doomsday(Not the jobber)
Gladiator(Fully Confident)
Pre-Crisis Darkseid
Pre-Crisis Validus
Mangog
Kurse
Count Nefaria(Fully Powered)
Classic Juggernaut
Composite Superman

Who Wins?

[Asgardian_Destroyer]

whoa,you smoking crack.thats a lot of superheroes..like 200+ id imagine...against those 13?...the heroes would have spectre and dr strange and phoenix right?...well,lets hope this battle doesnt take place on earth

[Scorpion13]

The JLA is basically every superhero on earth.

Same with the Avengers.

The entire roster of the X-Men includes every mutant superhero too.

Soooo...you gotcherself quite a team there, buddy.

[moebius]

Including a weaker version of Juggernaut! Does he fight himself?

If past members count, the X-Men get Magneto.

[Scorpion13]

Everyone who was ever a member, so we got ourselves a JLA complete with Specter and PC Superman.

[Alan2099]

I figured this would not count Pre-Crisis stuff.

Still, that gives you half a dozen Green lanterns, Phantom Stranger, Spectre, the Original Phoenix, and a truck load of gods.

[Broblawsky0]

I'm going to say the good guys. They've got too much goddamn firepower, even for badasses like Validus, Darkseid and Thanos.

[Alan2099]

Are you counting the Great lakes Avengers as members? If so they also get Squirrel Girl and she could match any one of the villians there with ease.

[Titan76]

I say the heroes. They have at least 15 god level people on their team and their team is around 200 people, way more firepower then the 13 villains they are going against.

[Chad G.]

(Full Roster).anyone who has been a member of JLA,X-Men and Avengers

Vs..

Maestro
Asgardian Destroyer
Thanos
Imperiex
Onslaught
Doomsday(Not the jobber)
Gladiator(Fully Confident)
Pre-Crisis Darkseid
Pre-Crisis Validus
Mangog
Kurse
Count Nefaria(Fully Powered)
Classic Juggernaut(8th Day)

Who Wins?

Wow. One word. That sums up the amount of firepower we are talking about here. And believe it or not, I tend to side with the villians here. Lets think about it. First off, you have Imperiex. It took essentially the combined power of Earth, several other star systems, and Apokilips to defeat him(even if it was witht he ol' Loeb one punch special). But if we are talking about Imperiex, we are talking about his probes. And when one of them is taken out you have one hell of a detonation, which is going to take out Gods knows how many heroes around him. How many probes are there with him???

But that isn't the main source for my belief that the villans win. It has to be pre-crisis Darkseid. Case in point. The Omega Effect. I would hold Darkseid back, and have Juggernaut, Doomsday, and Gladiator kept near him for close in support and defense. I mean literally let Juggy and Doomsday absorb any incoming energy or physical attacks. And simply let Darkseid pick people off with the Omega. Phoenix would have to go first, then Superman(I assume the is would be pre-crisis supes), and so on. If Darkseid could be kept protected, I think he could pretty much level everything coming at him. And I mean really, this is pre-crisis Darkseid here. And how many boom tubes full of para's is Darkseid bringing with him. I know that the sheer number of heroes seems overwhelming, but not si much so when you stand back and look at it objectively.

Also, does anyone know if the Omega Effect has a wide spread dispersion capability, ala Cyclops optic beam? I admit to stupidity here.

[Scorpion13]

No probes or Apokalips reinforcements here, they werent included.

Second, the hero sides include quite a few ubers themselves.

DC has the Spectre and the Thunderbolt, along with Dr. Fate. Not to mention how many class 100 flying bricks? Oh, and was Mr. Majestic part of the JLA?

Now in the Avengers we have Thor, Sersi, Sentry, Jack of Hearts...

And the X-men bring us Prof. X, Magneto, Cable, X-Man and, what, like 2 Phoenixes? (Im kinda confused by the Sommers family tree...big surprise)

While theyre gonna face some tough opposition, I think the heroes are taking the trophy home, so to speak.

[Chad G.]

No probes or Apokalips reinforcements here, they werent included.

Second, the hero sides include quite a few ubers themselves.

DC has the Spectre and the Thunderbolt, along with Dr. Fate. Not to mention how many class 100 flying bricks? Oh, and was Mr. Majestic part of the JLA?

Now in the Avengers we have Thor, Sersi, Sentry, Jack of Hearts...

And the X-men bring us Prof. X, Magneto, Cable, X-Man and, what, like 2 Phoenixes? (Im kinda confused by the Sommers family tree...big surprise)

While theyre gonna face some tough opposition, I think the heroes are taking the trophy home, so to speak.

I don't know. It doesn't specifically say, no probes, and if we are talking about Imperiex, I would assume that means his full arsenal. Anything less would cheapen him IMO.

[Dark Soul # 7]

I think that the villains will take it. If all of them who have any kind of distance attacks blast the heros from the start alot of the heros will be dead or severly injured. Onslaught could turn the sun red, he did create one sun so he should be able to affect another, and thereby weaken the members of the superfamily. For another large attack the Destroyer armour could open up it´s visor and destroy those who aren´t cosmics.
The Phoenixs and Spectre will indeed be problems but nothing I think that the villains combined force couldn´t handle.

[Scorpion13]

The heroes arent without ranged attacks, either.

They have Hal, Kyle, John, Guy, Jade, Quasar, Starman and Photon, just to name a few.

And dont forget the speedsters. Wally, Jay, Impulse. Speed Steal, anyone?

Then you have bricks like Superman, Captain Marvel, Wonder Woman, Martian Manhunter, the Marvel Twins, Superboy and Girl, Black Adam, Power Girl and the Sentry, and these are just the bricks with super speed.

Without speed you have the Hulk, Thor, Colossus, Thing, Hercules, Gilgamesh, WonderMan, Iron Man, Aquaman....

And then the psychics....Xavier, X-Man, Manhunter, Phoenix (2 of them), Cable...

And mages...Dr. Strange, Dr. Fate, Dr. Druid(lots of doctors here...), Zatanna, Sersi, Scarlet Witch....

Dont count the heroes out just yet. Remember, the SP said anybody, who was ever in those teams, so that makes things interesting right there....

[DoomsDayDawning]

Thats a lot of Heroes. I have to go with the Heroes by just shear numbers :eek:

[Dark Soul # 7]

The heroes arent without ranged attacks, either.

They have Hal, Kyle, John, Guy, Jade, Quasar, Starman and Photon, just to name a few.

And dont forget the speedsters. Wally, Jay, Impulse. Speed Steal, anyone?

Then you have bricks like Superman, Captain Marvel, Wonder Woman, Martian Manhunter, the Marvel Twins, Superboy and Girl, Black Adam, Power Girl and the Sentry, and these are just the bricks with super speed.

Without speed you have the Hulk, Thor, Colossus, Thing, Hercules, Gilgamesh, WonderMan, Iron Man, Aquaman....

And then the psychics....Xavier, X-Man, Manhunter, Phoenix (2 of them), Cable...

And mages...Dr. Strange, Dr. Fate, Dr. Druid(lots of doctors here...), Zatanna, Sersi, Scarlet Witch....

Dont count the heroes out just yet. Remember, the SP said anybody, who was ever in those teams, so that makes things interesting right there....Dr.Strange was never on the Avengers, just a nit-pick.
I wonder what would happen if the villains retreated to another dimension and use their powers to combine themselves into one being. That would be scary.

[Chad G.]

The heroes arent without ranged attacks, either.

They have Hal, Kyle, John, Guy, Jade, Quasar, Starman and Photon, just to name a few.

And dont forget the speedsters. Wally, Jay, Impulse. Speed Steal, anyone?

Then you have bricks like Superman, Captain Marvel, Wonder Woman, Martian Manhunter, the Marvel Twins, Superboy and Girl, Black Adam, Power Girl and the Sentry, and these are just the bricks with super speed.

Without speed you have the Hulk, Thor, Colossus, Thing, Hercules, Gilgamesh, WonderMan, Iron Man, Aquaman....

And then the psychics....Xavier, X-Man, Manhunter, Phoenix (2 of them), Cable...

And mages...Dr. Strange, Dr. Fate, Dr. Druid(lots of doctors here...), Zatanna, Sersi, Scarlet Witch....

Dont count the heroes out just yet. Remember, the SP said anybody, who was ever in those teams, so that makes things interesting right there....

And I hadn't even mentioned Onslaught, who, if I'm not mistaken, it took the combined powers of the FF, X-Men, and the Avengers to defeat.

[Super Macho Man]

Ion.

That's all I'm going to say.

[Tommy]

Are you counting the Great lakes Avengers as members? If so they also get Squirrel Girl and she could match any one of the villians there with ease.
Squirrel Girl+Sqirrel Army>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>The LT and the Spectre working together.

[TJ Shoun]

Jesus, where is this battle going down at?! :p

As is, I'm gonna give it to the heroes just because there'd be some massive firepower in there, along with overwhelming numbers.

Dudes like Thanos, Juggernaut, Validus, Darkseid, and Count Nefaria (the ion powered version) are big-time heavies but alongside grandscale cosmic threats like Imperiex and Onslaught, they're basically support staff.

And even a support staff with that much mojo wouldn't last long against the combined power of Captain Marvel, Supes, Thing, Phoenix, Thor, Martian Manhunter, Wonder Woman, The Sentry... with coordinated strategic leadership of Captain America and tactical support from Batman. Plus, you gotta remember this would include any scientific/engineering doohickey's that could be dreamed up by Reed Richards, Tony Stark, Ray Palmer, and/or Forge.

I'm going with the heroes.

Tell you what, give the bad guys the Beyonder and a Thoanos with the Infinity Gauntlet... and I'd say the bad guys come out on top easily. :eek:

[jadehorde]

The heroes arent without ranged attacks, either.

They have Hal, Kyle, John, Guy, Jade, Quasar, Starman and Photon, just to name a few.

And dont forget the speedsters. Wally, Jay, Impulse. Speed Steal, anyone?

Then you have bricks like Superman, Captain Marvel, Wonder Woman, Martian Manhunter, the Marvel Twins, Superboy and Girl, Black Adam, Power Girl and the Sentry, and these are just the bricks with super speed.

Without speed you have the Hulk, Thor, Colossus, Thing, Hercules, Gilgamesh, WonderMan, Iron Man, Aquaman....

And then the psychics....Xavier, X-Man, Manhunter, Phoenix (2 of them), Cable...

And mages...Dr. Strange, Dr. Fate, Dr. Druid(lots of doctors here...), Zatanna, Sersi, Scarlet Witch....

Dont count the heroes out just yet. Remember, the SP said anybody, who was ever in those teams, so that makes things interesting right there....


You're basically adding the cover of JLA/Avengers #3 with every possible permutation of the X-men...including 2 Phoenixes, two Nate Greys or varying power, Magneto, Warlock.

I actually want clarification on the Phantom Stranger, Thunderbolt, and Spectre. Have they been on the JLA?

Cause they neutralize two big guns on the other side.

[SiliconDream]

I actually want clarification on the Phantom Stranger, Thunderbolt, and Spectre. Have they been on the JLA?
Phantom Stranger was formally inducted at one point. Thunderbolt and Spectre I don't think have ever been members. But between Ion, multiple Dr. Fates, Hourman III, multiple Flashes, a truckload of Green Lanterns, and another truckload of New Gods, I don't think the JLA contingent will miss them much.

[GozertheGozarian]

Phantom Stranger was formally inducted at one point. Thunderbolt and Spectre I don't think have ever been members. But between Ion, multiple Dr. Fates, Hourman III, multiple Flashes, a truckload of Green Lanterns, and another truckload of New Gods, I don't think the JLA contingent will miss them much.


Spectre was, but Thunderbolt was JSA.

[Salvester2]

I'd just like to say...umm...whatever planet they are fighting on is going to lose. Badly.

Especially if you bloodlust them all.

Oh dear, this battle may shake the whole multiverse. The only big heavy hitter missing in aunt may with a vase.

[Illidania]

You want tactical, you can't beat Thanos in that. He'll have the entire Hero teams swamped with parademons and his armada while he and Darkseid play cards, and each time he wins a hand, several Thanosi are unleashed upon the Heros. Everytime Darkseid wins a hand, Validus shoots in for a couple rounds.

[Dalak]

And even a support staff with that much mojo wouldn't last long against the combined power of Captain Marvel, Supes, *Thing*, Phoenix, Thor, Martian Manhunter, Wonder Woman, The Sentry... with coordinated strategic leadership of Captain America and tactical support from Batman.

Why did you put Thing in there instead of Hulk? Hulk has smashed the Thing more times than Hulk can count.

[Illidania]

Thanos has things he can use that'll take out most of the Hero teams. If he gets access to all his stuff, as soon as everything starts, all the villains will ne put into a teleportation gate just as one opens up infront of the heros, popping out a bomb that explodes into an artificial blackhole, sucking in everything for a 2-lightyear radius before collapsing on itself moments later. Once that's done, Thanos ports the villains back aboard one of his ships to scout out who the survivors are.

[Scorpion13]

If you wanna spot Thanos and them all thier stuff, lets give the other guys thiers.

Meaning, say hello to Reed Richard's prep, whatever unholy crap Thor pulls out of his closet, Batman's scheming, and Spectre shutting down all the magic for the badguys.

[Illidania]

If Thanos gets his stuff and prep, none of them, even Spectre, could stop him. He doesn't rely on magic, and he's been known to crap plot devices for each day of the week on a regular basis. Not to mention he could be throwing out the Thanosi at all the heros, which would mean Omega, Warrior, X, Mystic, and Armour among the first and he had a room full of various others that we don't see. And he could walk out 2min later with the IG on his left hand and a Cosmic cube in the other, just for the hell of it.

[Donald Stone]

I don't care much about the fight, but the commentary from Guy Gardner, Booster Gold, Hawkeye and Beast should be hilarious.

Watch, you don't think any of those guys are dumb enough to get in the middle of this one, do you?

[TJ Shoun]

Why did you put Thing in there instead of Hulk? Hulk has smashed the Thing more times than Hulk can count.

Well, I was considering the Lee/Kirby era Thing, who was basically one of the most powerful beings in the Marvel U. Grimm used to go toe-to-toe with the Surfer and the Hulk, but somewhere along the way, creative teams have allowed him to be depowered.

Still, you gotta admit he's one of the heaviest hitters in comics this side of Abomination.

[Dalak]

Well, I was considering the Lee/Kirby era Thing, who was basically one of the most powerful beings in the Marvel U. Grimm used to go toe-to-toe with the Surfer and the Hulk, but somewhere along the way, creative teams have allowed him to be depowered.

Still, you gotta admit he's one of the heaviest hitters in comics this side of Abomination.


Agreed, he IS certainly powerful.

[Slade]

Spectre and the Thunderbolt were never on the JLA, bu the JSA.

[LibrarianThorne]

The heroes, but I will grant it's a close fight. We've got two Flashes, more class 100 bricks than I can count, Captain America and Batman on strategy, the freakin' Phantom Stranger, the Hulk, three Dr. Fates, a few dozen gods...

As powerful as that bad guy lineup is, without prep the sheer numbers lined up against them, with 20% of it being on the cosmic scale, will take them down.

Now, Thanos and PC Darkseid with prep? What did the forces of virtue ever do to you?

[Oxymoron]

Okay. Who all will be soaring into battle against the bad guys today?

Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Flash (Wally West), Green Lantern (Hal Jordan), Martian Manhunter, Aquaman, Flash (Barry Allen), Green Arrow, Atom, Hawkman, Black Canary, Green Lantern (John Stewart), Flash (Jay Garrick), Green Lantern (Kyle Rayner), Plastic Man, Steel, Phantom Stranger, Elongated Man, Red Tornado, Hawkwoman, Zatanna, Firestorm, Blue Beetle, Captain Marvel, Doctor Fate, Green Lantern (Guy Gardner), Mister Miracle, Booster Gold, Fire, Ice, Doctor Light, Captain Atom, Rocket Red 7, Rocket Red 4, Huntress, Lightray, Orion, General Glory, Bloodwynd, Maxima, Black Condor, Agent Liberty, Maya, Nuklon, Obsidian, Blue Devil, Icemaiden, Tomorrow Woman, Aztek, Connor Hawke, Oracle, Zauriel, Big Barda, Hourman, Antaeus, Faith, Nightwing, Etrigan, and Manitou Raven for the JLA (and that's JUST the JLA, not the other Justice Leagues).

Captain America, Iron Man, Thor, Hulk, Ant-Man/Yellowjacket/Giant-Man/Goliath, Wasp, Hawkeye, Quicksilver, Scarlet Witch, Swordsman, Hercules, Black Panther, Vision, Black Knight, Black Widow, Mantis, Beast, Moondragon, Hellcat, Whizzer, Two-Gun Kid, Wonder Man, Miss Marvel, Falcon, Jocasta, Tigra, She-Hulk, Captain Mar-vell, Photon, Starfox, Mockingbird, Firebird, Thing, Moonknight, USAgent, Human Torch, Living Lightning, Spider-Woman (Julia Carpenter), Machine Man, Darkhawk, Namor, Doctor Druid, Marrina, Quasar, Demolition Man, Invisible Woman, Mister Fantastic, Sersi, Spider-Man, Stingray, Rage, Sandman, Crystal, Thunderstrike, Magdalene, Deathcry, Masque, Justice, Firestar, Triathlon, Silverclaw, Jack of Hearts, Captain Britain, Luke Cage, Wolverine, Sentry and Ronin for the Avengers.

The X-Men, in addition to the ones already named (Wolverine, Beast, etc.) include Professor X, Cyclops, Jean Gray, Iceman, Archangel, Mimic, Changeling, Havok, Polaris, Storm, Nightcrawler, Colossus, Banshee, Sunfire, Thunderbird, Shadowcat, Rogue, Lockheed, Phoenix, Psylocke, Longshot, Dazzler, Magneto, Jubilee, Forge, Gambit, Bishop, Joseph, Revanche, Cannonball, Marrow, Maggott, Cable, Moonstar, Sage, Emma Frost, Xorn, Chamber, Stacy X, M, Husk, Northstar, Juggernaut, and X-23.
(And it's even more if you count New Mutants, Excalibur, Alpha Flight, X-Force, and God knows what else)

Wow. That's a LOT of firepower against any villain. I'd be analytical (I think there are about 15 characters that'll lead to victory, but I need to go for the moment. Maybe later).

[[]D[]/\/\[]D @ Nite/So-tite]

Good guys take this one. but give the villains the Void and this could be an utter curbstomp in their favor.

[Scorpion13]

Okay. Who all will be soaring into battle against the bad guys today?

Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Flash (Wally West), Green Lantern (Hal Jordan), Martian Manhunter, Aquaman, Flash (Barry Allen), Green Arrow, Atom, Hawkman, Black Canary, Green Lantern (John Stewart), Flash (Jay Garrick), Green Lantern (Kyle Rayner), Plastic Man, Steel, Phantom Stranger, Elongated Man, Red Tornado, Hawkwoman, Zatanna, Firestorm, Blue Beetle, Captain Marvel, Doctor Fate, Green Lantern (Guy Gardner), Mister Miracle, Booster Gold, Fire, Ice, Doctor Light, Captain Atom, Rocket Red 7, Rocket Red 4, Huntress, Lightray, Orion, General Glory, Bloodwynd, Maxima, Black Condor, Agent Liberty, Maya, Nuklon, Obsidian, Blue Devil, Icemaiden, Tomorrow Woman, Aztek, Connor Hawke, Oracle, Zauriel, Big Barda, Hourman, Antaeus, Faith, Nightwing, Etrigan, and Manitou Raven for the JLA (and that's JUST the JLA, not the other Justice Leagues).

Captain America, Iron Man, Thor, Hulk, Ant-Man/Yellowjacket/Giant-Man/Goliath, Wasp, Hawkeye, Quicksilver, Scarlet Witch, Swordsman, Hercules, Black Panther, Vision, Black Knight, Black Widow, Mantis, Beast, Moondragon, Hellcat, Whizzer, Two-Gun Kid, Wonder Man, Miss Marvel, Falcon, Jocasta, Tigra, She-Hulk, Captain Mar-vell, Photon, Starfox, Mockingbird, Firebird, Thing, Moonknight, USAgent, Human Torch, Living Lightning, Spider-Woman (Julia Carpenter), Machine Man, Darkhawk, Namor, Doctor Druid, Marrina, Quasar, Demolition Man, Invisible Woman, Mister Fantastic, Sersi, Spider-Man, Stingray, Rage, Sandman, Crystal, Thunderstrike, Magdalene, Deathcry, Masque, Justice, Firestar, Triathlon, Silverclaw, Jack of Hearts, Captain Britain, Luke Cage, Wolverine, Sentry and Ronin for the Avengers.

The X-Men, in addition to the ones already named (Wolverine, Beast, etc.) include Professor X, Cyclops, Jean Gray, Iceman, Archangel, Mimic, Changeling, Havok, Polaris, Storm, Nightcrawler, Colossus, Banshee, Sunfire, Thunderbird, Shadowcat, Rogue, Lockheed, Phoenix, Psylocke, Longshot, Dazzler, Magneto, Jubilee, Forge, Gambit, Bishop, Joseph, Revanche, Cannonball, Marrow, Maggott, Cable, Moonstar, Sage, Emma Frost, Xorn, Chamber, Stacy X, M, Husk, Northstar, Juggernaut, and X-23.
(And it's even more if you count New Mutants, Excalibur, Alpha Flight, X-Force, and God knows what else)

Wow. That's a LOT of firepower against any villain. I'd be analytical (I think there are about 15 characters that'll lead to victory, but I need to go for the moment. Maybe later).


Oh, but you forgot. The line up includes anybody who was ever in those teams. So, the list is even bigger.

[SiliconDream]

D[]/\/\[]D @ Nite/So-tite']Good guys take this one. but give the villains the Void and this could be an utter curbstomp in their favor.
I'd still bet on Ion over the Void. Especially with the Phantom Stranger, Phoenix and Hourman III (full Worlogog version) backing him up...

[Illidania]

Thanos gets access to his stuff, doesn't matter how big a list of Heros you have, it doesn't mean squat when he has bombs that create black holes, weapons that vape planets, psuedo-clones that could duke it out with the best of them, and enough power on his own to take on a Skyfather.

Hell, even the Dreadnaught-666, something he considered a ridiculous thing that he made, was basicly a canon the size of a huge ship that could one-shot a planet easy. Then there's the matter of Thanos' teleportation gates and he could have entire squads of heros thrown into black holes, supernovas, stars, other planets, or hell maybe even throw them into other dimensions if all just for the fun of it.

[K Von Doom]

Most of the JLA will be KO'd by Doomsday. Over half the Avengers would be killed by Thanos. I think even all these heroes, against a team with Imperiex. The heroes would lose.

[Gaou_The_Pigeon_God]

Villians could very well take this

[SiliconDream]

Thanos gets access to his stuff, doesn't matter how big a list of Heros you have, it doesn't mean squat when he has bombs that create black holes, weapons that vape planets, psuedo-clones that could duke it out with the best of them, and enough power on his own to take on a Skyfather.
Ion is way the hell above a Skyfather, and I'd say both Phoenix and Phantom Stranger could take on Skyfathers on a good day.

[steve2275]

I don't care much about the fight, but the commentary from Guy Gardner, Booster Gold, Hawkeye and Beast should be hilarious.

Watch, you don't think any of those guys are dumb enough to get in the middle of this one, do you?
and deadpool (he was an xman 3 issues of his and cables series)

[JeffreyWKramer]

Keep in mind, the full historical roster of the JLA includes, among others, the Phantom Stranger.

[KingEli]

The Heros win too damned fast,too damned strong.

[Cleric of Hell's Brigade]

All members?

This include break off groups and such? (JSA/ X-Factoe, ect..)

All together, your looking at over 300 heroes.

Over 50 are Class Superman or cosmic entities.

The sheer magical, technological, psiconic, and physical strength on the heroes side is far too much for that group of villians to win even one round out of 10.


And the idea that Thanos is all that and can take so many cosmics is ludicrious.

[Tridge]

Why did you put Thing in there instead of Hulk? Hulk has smashed the Thing more times than Hulk can count.
i really want to say... 4 times? XD

add full power AntiMonitor and the ENTIRE Celestial Host to the villains! it must be done :D

[Alan2099]

Okay. let's mentally Link Forge, Mr. Fantastic, Ironman, and Batman, let Flash loan them some super speed and in on time they'll have a device whipped up that will make the Omega Effect look like Jubilee's fireworks.

[JeffreyWKramer]

Okay. let's mentally Link Forge, Mr. Fantastic, Ironman, and Batman, let Flash loan them some super speed and in on time they'll have a device whipped up that will make the Omega Effect look like Jubilee's fireworks.

They can also super-speed Zatanna and the Phantom Stranger. Hell, that might end the fight right there.

[Charge]

Imperiex was a multiversal being... that was clearly indicated in the Superman/Mongul Imperiex arc. He also had the power to casually one shot doomsday... he's seriously more powerful than even a Skyfather...

One blast is going to take almost everyone on the hero team out.... Even the Superman class bricks....

[Slade]

Thanos gets access to his stuff, doesn't matter how big a list of Heros you have, it doesn't mean squat when he has bombs that create black holes, weapons that vape planets, psuedo-clones that could duke it out with the best of them, and enough power on his own to take on a Skyfather.

Hell, even the Dreadnaught-666, something he considered a ridiculous thing that he made, was basicly a canon the size of a huge ship that could one-shot a planet easy. Then there's the matter of Thanos' teleportation gates and he could have entire squads of heros thrown into black holes, supernovas, stars, other planets, or hell maybe even throw them into other dimensions if all just for the fun of it.

None of that matters when you got a guy holding the Worlogog.

[da noble savage]

ok now the mystic guys and the specter are really the only one's that matter.
I mean come on pc darksied held of god know's how many pc daximontes and legon before so the high end brick's aren't going to be much of a problem. The only problem they would have is rather not they can take out the higher guys in the opening round.

[Slade]

All members?

This include break off groups and such? (JSA/ X-Factoe, ect..)


The JSA aren't a break off group of the JLA, in fact it's the other way around.

[Captain Morgan]

Wouldn't Ion and Thunderbolt solo this?

[Sirius77]

Maestro vs PC Superman= PC Superman 10/10
Asgardian Destroyer vs Pheonix= Pheonix 8/10
Thanos vs 2nd Pheonix= 2nd Pheonix 6/10
Imperiex vs PC Superman= PC Superman 9/10
Onslaught vs Ion= Ion 6/10
Doomsday(Not the jobber) vs Current Superman= Current Superman 8/10
Gladiator(Fully Confident) vs Current Superman= Current Superman 6/10
Pre-Crisis Darkseid vs Franklin Richards= Franklin Richards 7/10
Pre-Crisis Validus vs PC Superman, Intellegent Hulk, Thor, Current Superman, Hercules, Photon, Supergirl, PC Powergirl, and Ion.= The big team 7/10
Mangog vs PC Superman= PC Superman 9/10
Kurse vs PC Superman= (according to this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurse) PC Superman 9.5/10
Count Nefaria(Fully Powered) vs Current Superman= Current Superman 7/10
Classic Juggernaut vs Ion= Ion 9/10
Composite Superman vs PC Superman and Ion= 2nd Team 8/10

[Sirius77]

That's only if you match it fairly... kind of fairly that is..

[Captain Morgan]

Maestro vs PC Superman= PC Superman 10/10
Asgardian Destroyer vs Pheonix= Pheonix 8/10
Thanos vs 2nd Pheonix= 2nd Pheonix 6/10
Imperiex vs PC Superman= PC Superman 9/10
Onslaught vs Ion= Ion 6/10
Doomsday(Not the jobber) vs Current Superman= Current Superman 8/10
Gladiator(Fully Confident) vs Current Superman= Current Superman 6/10
Pre-Crisis Darkseid vs Franklin Richards= Franklin Richards 7/10
Pre-Crisis Validus vs PC Superman, Intellegent Hulk, Thor, Current Superman, Hercules, Photon, Supergirl, PC Powergirl, and Ion.= The big team 7/10
Mangog vs PC Superman= PC Superman 9/10
Kurse vs PC Superman= (according to this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurse) PC Superman 9.5/10
Count Nefaria(Fully Powered) vs Current Superman= Current Superman 7/10
Classic Juggernaut vs Ion= Ion 9/10
Composite Superman vs PC Superman and Ion= 2nd Team 8/10

I don't see a lot of those matches going as you say- namely Doomsday, Onslaught, Gladiator, and Imperix. Regardless, Ion is an omnipotent, and Thunderbolt is to.

[Ice'Lord]

Darkseid's mind controll could be a problem.
The other team has Strange who can go avatar if he wants, tho.

[Aubergine~!]

If the JLA gets Thunderbolt, they win, imo.

Oh, and if you want to be technical, there was that one JLA arc where they gave everyone on Earth Superman's powers and drafted them to fight Mageddon. So that's 6 billion more flying bricks :D.

[Sirius77]

I don't see a lot of those matches going as you say- namely Doomsday, Onslaught, Gladiator, and Imperix. Regardless, Ion is an omnipotent, and Thunderbolt is to.


Well, actually I can see what you're saying with Gladiator because his powers are technically psionic, and he does have more feats than current Superman, and Doomsday, because it was said that he could never be killed by Superman the same way again.

However, Onslaught vs Ion. Ion wins... he's like a DC version of the classic Beyonder. Onslaught is powerful, but he's just not on that level.

Concerning Imperiex, yes he is a little above Galactus himself, because he destroys galaxies instead of planets, but you have to realize that the weakest incarnation of Superman (Post Crisis/Pre-Infinite) defeated Imperiex by running into him. Sure he had a power-up, but that power-up was no where near Pre-Crisis Superman's level.

So, Pre-Crisis Superman vs Imperiex would come out with Pre-Crisis Superman as the winner 8-9/10. He could punch Imperiex into next millenium, but he could just sneeze on him and destroy his corporeal form (like he did to a galaxy..).

[Captain Morgan]

Well, actually I can see what you're saying with Gladiator because his powers are technically psionic, and he does have more feats than current Superman, and Doomsday, because it was said that he could never be killed by Superman the same way again.

However, Onslaught vs Ion. Ion wins... he's like a DC version of the classic Beyonder. Onslaught is powerful, but he's just not on that level.

Concerning Imperiex, yes he is a little above Galactus himself, because he destroys galaxies instead of planets, but you have to realize that the weakest incarnation of Superman (Post Crisis/Pre-Infinite) defeated Imperiex by running into him. Sure he had a power-up, but that power-up was no where near Pre-Crisis Superman's level.

So, Pre-Crisis Superman vs Imperiex would come out with Pre-Crisis Superman as the winner 8-9/10. He could punch Imperiex into next millenium, but he could just sneeze on him and destroy his corporeal form (like he did to a galaxy..).

For Onslaught vs. Ion, I just thought you gave Onslaught WAAAAY to good odds. Ion 10/10.

Doomsday was at the peak of his powr bouncing Superman and treating him like trash. And bouncing things capable of one shotting Superman. Then he was weakened and blitzed.

Imperix went down to a Superman powered up by Kismet, DC's Eternity, no?

All that aside, Ion was capable of omnipresence and what not. He could make one of each of him for beating each villain.

[Rockman]

If the JLA gets Thunderbolt, they win, imo.

Oh, and if you want to be technical, there was that one JLA arc where they gave everyone on Earth Superman's powers and drafted them to fight Mageddon. So that's 6 billion more flying bricks :D.


Yep, that alot of flying bricks there.

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[Chrosis]

I think we need to even it out a bit.

I'd add Fully-fed Galactus, Annihilus w/ Quantum Bands, Terrax, and probably a bunch of other Heralds of Big G.

[Sirius77]

For Onslaught vs. Ion, I just thought you gave Onslaught WAAAAY to good odds. Ion 10/10.

Doomsday was at the peak of his powr bouncing Superman and treating him like trash. And bouncing things capable of one shotting Superman. Then he was weakened and blitzed.

Imperix went down to a Superman powered up by Kismet, DC's Eternity, no?

All that aside, Ion was capable of omnipresence and what not. He could make one of each of him for beating each villain.

Oh, never mind then, you're right. The Ion statement make a lot more sense, lol.

[steve2275]

this include wwh HULK? :D :p