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DetourAndy
05-18-2005, 06:32 PM
What are the best Spiderman stories ever? I've read lots of them, but I'd like some in trade paperback form, and was wondering what everyone considers to be amazing, 10/10 pieces of work. Cheers,
Andy
The Shadow
05-18-2005, 09:31 PM
Death of Jean DeWolf
Death of Gwen and Green Goblin
AlanScott606
05-19-2005, 01:18 AM
The Hobgoblin Saga in Amazing Spider-Man. From the set up of Flash Thompson to the death of Ned Leeds, it was one heck of a roller coaster ride.
Nothing Stops the Juggernaut is another classic.
Mister Mets
05-19-2005, 06:33 AM
I've read a lot of Spider-Man stories so trust me when I say the following are the very best.
Spider-Man VS. Green Goblin
An out of print trade (but still readily available) which includes the best Spider-Man story ever ("The Night Gwen Stacy died), an early Lee- Ditko Spider-Man VS. Green Goblin classic, the justly famous Harry Osborn on drugs storyline, and Spider-Man's final battle with the Harry Osborn Green Goblin.
Wizard's Spider-Man Masterpiece Edition Hardcover
Includes "The Death of Jean Dewolfe", "Nothing Can Stop the Juggernaut", the legendary "Kid Who COllected Spider-Man," one of the best Venom stories (with Todd Mcfarlane art), and an under-rated, and hilarious battle between Spider-Man & The Cobra & a mystery villain.
Marvel Masterworks Amazing Spider-Man Volume 4
Available in Barnes & Nobles anywhere, this trade includes 10 great Lee- Ditko issues, including their legendary Master Planner story, and the story in which The Green Goblin attacks Peter Parker for 13 bucks. All the other stories are just nice extras.
Spider-Man: Kraven's Last Hunt
Kraven the Hunter beats, buries, and impersonates Spider-Man. So you can bet Spidey's not too happy, when he finally crawls out. A classic for a reason.
40 Years of the Amazing Spider-Man CD Rom Collection
This may be a bit difficult to read, but it's cheap given it's amazing content, and it is the only place to get some of the best Spider-Man stories ever written- including Roger Stern's Hobgoblin issues, Marv Wolfman's classic Spider-Man & the Burglar rematch, the introduction of the Black Cat, the excellent Amazing Spider-Man #153, "Spider-Man No More," and a lot more.
Spider-Man: One Small Break
This trade alone justifies why Paul Jenkins is one of the best Spider-Man writes ever. The title story introduces Fusion, a villain whose hatred of Spider-Man drives him to do some unthinkable things, and he's got the powers of every Marvel hero, and villain ever. Other stories include Spider-Man dealing with the question of whether he can euthanize a horribly mutated C-list villain, a dark family secret, and a great story in which he remembers the most influential person in his life.
Amazing Fantasy #15
The first, and best retelling of Spider-Man's origin. It's reprinted in a lot of places, but I'd say all Spider-Man fans should have one copy.
Mark Millar's Run on Spider-Man Hardcover
This isn't published yet, but I'm going to buy it the day it comes out. Mark Millar, the writer of the Ultimates & The Authority decided to do 12 issues of Spider-Man in which he says everything he has to say about the character. Those 12 issues include the abduction of Aunt May, Spider-Man's greatest battles with Electro & The Vulture, a darker side of the Black Cat, a conspiracy within the Marvel Universe, Eddie Brock making the most important decision of his life, a B-list Spider-Man villain becoming one of Spider-Man's big three villains, the best example of Peter Parker's generosity, the end to Spider-Man & J. Jonah Jameson's dispute, the return of Peter's money problems, and secrets of Spider-Man's greatest foe.
There are many more great Spider-Man stories, but these are the best of the best.
The Shadow
05-19-2005, 02:20 PM
Mark Millar's Run on Spider-Man Hardcover
I agree with your list except this entry.
It was a rather pedestrian Spidey tale with a predictable ending. I hated it... in fact I disliked it so much I didn't get past issue 9 because it was a crapfest.
Mister Mets
05-19-2005, 02:26 PM
I agree with your list except this entry.
It was a rather pedestrian Spidey tale with a predictable ending. I hated it... in fact I disliked it so much I didn't get past issue 9 because it was a crapfest.
Suit yourself, man. If you didn't like the first nine issues, you probably wouldn't like the last three either, but it remains a personal favorite.
I'm a DC boy, but my dream comic is Amazing Fantasy #15. It will be mine some day. Oh yes, it will.
Mister Mets
05-19-2005, 07:46 PM
I'm a DC boy, but my dream comic is Amazing Fantasy #15. It will be mine some day. Oh yes, it will.
Get yourself a reprint first. You should be able to enjoy it.
It's available free for reading at Marvel's website.
http://marvel.com/dotcomics/index.htm
And spend the money required for your dream on other things, like tens of thousands of comic books.
* Edit- I believe it is no longer available.
Reptisaurus!
05-19-2005, 09:58 PM
I agree with your list except this entry.
It was a rather pedestrian Spidey tale with a predictable ending. I hated it... in fact I disliked it so much I didn't get past issue 9 because it was a crapfest.
I just read through these trades at the shop.
I didn't hate it, certainly, and the ending was really tense. But I wouldn't rate it in the best Spidey stories of all time. Too meandering, and I didn't think Millar's Spidey-dialouge had that Stan Lee snap to it. (Plus the Green Goblin/Doc Oc fight, which I've been waiting for for YEARS, was a hugggge anti-climax.)
Solid B, mebbe B - in my book.
Paul Jenkins, like you said, does better.
Get yourself a reprint first. You should be able to enjoy it.
It's available free for reading at Marvel's website.
http://marvel.com/dotcomics/index.htm
And spend the money required for your dream on other things, like tens of thousands of comic books.
I have a reprint; I'm satisfied with it, and the only way I'm actually buying Amazing Fantasy 15 is if I become a multi-billionaire and the amount of money I need for that is comparable to a penny.
Oh but yes, it will be mine.
Numeral
05-19-2005, 11:24 PM
if this be my destiny. is a personal favorite its a story about peter overcoming odds and spidey showing his incredible will.
Charagon
05-20-2005, 11:47 AM
That list makes no sense at all. You've got absolute crap mixed (Mark Millar and One Small Break) with great stories and the Amazing Spider-Man collection in there for some odd reason.
"What's the best Spider-Man story?"
"Amazing Spider-Man!"
".......which issues?"
"ALL OF THEM!"
Two words: Quality Control
I mean, I understand that's the only way to get some of these issues without actually going through the effort of actually finding the back issues (which is what people should be doing instead of having them on a CD) but couldn't you narrow it down a bit?
To the original post, sadly, many of the greatest Spider-Man stories aren't in TPB form as far as I know.
Spectacular Spider-Man #200, Sins of the Father, and The Death of Jean DeWolf come to mind right away. There's a long string of really good Spectacular Spider-Man comics when Spider-Man is with the Black Cat that I don't think have been collected into trade yet. There are also numerous single or two part stories that are just to small to put into a dedicated trade. I don't think I've seen the Juggernaut story reprinted yet or even the infamous Spider-Man vs. Firelord story.
As far as trades go, sadly, Spider-Man is pretty lacking.
Kraven's Last Hunt is a must have, of course, as is the Death of Gwen Stacy. Spider-Man vs. Venom is quite good but only has the first two Venom stories. Another good one is Clone Genesis if you can get past the fact that it inadvertently nearly ruined Spider-Man decades later. If you don't have any bias against Carnage and Venom, Maximum Carnage is pretty much the definative story for them. You really can't go wrong with J.M. Demattes.
stealthwise
05-20-2005, 12:19 PM
The Hobgoblin Saga in Amazing Spider-Man. From the set up of Flash Thompson to the death of Ned Leeds, it was one heck of a roller coaster ride.
Nothing Stops the Juggernaut is another classic.
Ditto, I love all of Stern's work on Spidey, especially the Alien Costume saga.
nubly
05-20-2005, 01:16 PM
the death of gwen stacy
death of jean dewolffe
hobgoblin saga
early venom stories before he became the lethal protector
the clone saga
anything by mark millar
deadly foes of spider-man
anything with larsen
kraven's last hunt
wolverine vs spider-man
Mister Mets
05-20-2005, 02:46 PM
I was happy that this thread's getting more responses than the worst of Spider-Man thread til I read this posr.
That list makes no sense at all. You've got absolute crap mixed (Mark Millar and One Small Break) with great stories and the Amazing Spider-Man collection in there for some odd reason.
"What's the best Spider-Man story?"
"Amazing Spider-Man!"
".......which issues?"
"ALL OF THEM!"
Two words: Quality Control
I mean, I understand that's the only way to get some of these issues without actually going through the effort of actually finding the back issues (which is what people should be doing instead of having them on a CD) but couldn't you narrow it down a bit?
To the original post, sadly, many of the greatest Spider-Man stories aren't in TPB form as far as I know.
Spectacular Spider-Man #200, Sins of the Father, and The Death of Jean DeWolf come to mind right away. There's a long string of really good Spectacular Spider-Man comics when Spider-Man is with the Black Cat that I don't think have been collected into trade yet. There are also numerous single or two part stories that are just to small to put into a dedicated trade. I don't think I've seen the Juggernaut story reprinted yet or even the infamous Spider-Man vs. Firelord story.
As far as trades go, sadly, Spider-Man is pretty lacking.
Kraven's Last Hunt is a must have, of course, as is the Death of Gwen Stacy. Spider-Man vs. Venom is quite good but only has the first two Venom stories. Another good one is Clone Genesis if you can get past the fact that it inadvertently nearly ruined Spider-Man decades later. If you don't have any bias against Carnage and Venom, Maximum Carnage is pretty much the definative story for them. You really can't go wrong with J.M. Demattes.
Spectacular Spider-MAn #200 was reprinted a few years back in the now out of print but still readily available Spider-Man VS. Green Goblin TPB (which I recommended), and the recent Spider-MAn: Son of the Goblin trade.
The Death of Jean Dewolfe was reprinted as a trade a few years back, and was included in Wizard's Spider-Man Masterpieces Edition Hardcover (which I recommended.)
I recommended the 40 Years of Spider-Man CD Rom, because of it's price more than anything. Even with the amount of crap to average stories, the amazing stories which are reprinted nowhere else make it well worth the 50 dollar purchase. And it doesn't take up too much space. And why should I expect everyone to put the time, effort, and don't forget money (given the cost of say- Amazing Spider-Man #200) into looking for back issue?
And I would never recommend "Maximum Carnage" as one of the best Spider-Man trade paperbacks available, although we'll have to disagree on that. Same with the books you call absolute crap.
Clone Genesis is a decent trade, but I'd never call it one of the best, and to the best of my knowledge it's been out of print for years.
Spider-Man VS. Venom's a decent trade, but given it's cost, I'd just recommend the Todd Mcfarlane Visionaries trades.
Mister Mets
05-20-2005, 02:47 PM
the death of gwen stacy
death of jean dewolffe
hobgoblin saga
early venom stories before he became the lethal protector
the clone saga
anything by mark millar
deadly foes of spider-man
anything with larsen
kraven's last hunt
wolverine vs spider-man
Don't you mean Spider-MAn VS. Wolverine (this would include the death of a major supporting cast member.)
That was awesome.
nubly
05-20-2005, 06:04 PM
Don't you mean Spider-MAn VS. Wolverine (this would include the death of a major supporting cast member.)
That was awesome.
i believe there is a TPB called wolverine vs spider-man that reprinted marvel comics presents #48-50. but youre right, i meant spider-man vs wolverine
I mean, I understand that's the only way to get some of these issues without actually going through the effort of actually finding the back issues (which is what people should be doing instead of having them on a CD). . .
Why does it matter to you what format other people enjoy their comics in?
My take on Spidey's best--
The Death of Gwen Stacey (Turning Point)
The Master Planner Saga
The Sin-Eater/Death of Jean DeWolf
You really can't go wrong with J.M. Demattes.
I strongly disagree, sir. DeMatteis is very very good when he's being good, but when he tries to get too deep, he really falters. "I am the Spider", anyone?
Artemis1
05-21-2005, 03:37 AM
Here are just a few(not in order):
Turning Point-An amazing and horrific story of love and murder.
The End of Harry Osborn-A sad and beautiful struggle betwwen friends and enemies.
Within the Goblin-Possibly the absolute best GG2 storyline I have ever read.
Hobgoblin-Shocking, just shocking.
Nick MB
05-21-2005, 03:50 AM
I strongly disagree, sir. DeMatteis is very very good when he's being good, but when he tries to get too deep, he really falters. "I am the Spider", anyone?
Liked the "I am the Spider" stories written by DeMatteis. That storyline only went wrong when other writers had to try and copy it when they clearly weren't comfortable with it. One of the main reasons I'm glad that interconnected Spider-Titles are a thing of the past.
Mister Mets
05-21-2005, 06:40 AM
Here are just a few(not in order):
Turning Point-An amazing and horrific story of love and murder.
The End of Harry Osborn-A sad and beautiful struggle betwwen friends and enemies.
Within the Goblin-Possibly the absolute best GG2 storyline I have ever read.
Hobgoblin-Shocking, just shocking.
I know Turning Point (Amazing Spider-Man #121-122), and The End of Harry Osborn (Spectacular Spider-Man #200), but what do you mean by "Within the Goblin" or "Hobgoblin"? Do you mean his first appearance, the entire Hobgoblin saga, just the Roget Stern issues or something else entirely?
Flash's Lightning
03-01-2011, 04:23 PM
You know, I can't really say about issues, but as far as scenes, I'd have to say the best ones I ever read were during Civil War between Spiderman and Iron Man and Spiderman and Captain America.
Like when Pete's spidersense went into overdrive, and Tony's innocent hand-on-the-shoulder routine got him slammed to the ground. Or when Tony set a lockout to Spiderman's new costume, but pete reprogrammed it.
And of course Cap's speech to Peter, "No YOU move." is a classic.
Other than that, the lists up above seem okay, though I haven't read KLH and I think Millar's spiderman is a little dated and forgotten by this point.
Spiderman vs. Juggernaut will always be among the top ten for sure, though.
Ben Smith
03-01-2011, 04:35 PM
40 Years of the Amazing Spider-Man CD Rom Collection
This may be a bit difficult to read,
these work great with the iPad
Ben Smith
03-01-2011, 04:52 PM
Amazing Fantasty #15, Amazing Spider-Man #1 - 50 (no explanation needed)
Amazing Spider-Man #90 (Death of Captain Stacy)
Amazing Spider-Man #96-98 (non-Comics Code approved drug stories)
Amazing Spider-Man #121-122 (Death of Gwen and the Goblin)
Amazing Spider-Man #136-137 (Harry Osborn becomes the Green Goblin)
Amazing Spider-Man #144-149 (Original Clone Saga)
Amazing Spider-Man #194-195 (1st Black Cat)
Amazing Spider-Man #224-251 (Roger Stern run)
- Black Cat reveals her crush on Spider-Man
- Nothing Can Stop the Juggernaut
- Cobra and Mr. Hyde
- The beginning of the Hobgoblin Saga
- The Kid Who Collected Spider-Man
Amazing Spider-Man #252-289 (DeFalco and Frenz)
- Saga of the Black Costume
- continuation and "resolution" of the Hobgoblin Saga
- vs Firelord
- Mary Jane reveals she knows his identity
- Gang War
Spider-Man vs Wolverine
Kraven's Last Hunt
Death of Jean DeWolf
mos2006
03-01-2011, 04:54 PM
I'm enjoying everything beginning with Brand New Day and leading up to date.
Though, I would say that Kraven's Last Hunt is definitely recommended reading before Grim Hunt.
Ben Smith
03-01-2011, 05:10 PM
Spider-Man & the Human Torch: I'm With Stupid
Spectacular Spider-Man Annual (great MJ and Peter story)
Spider-Man: Blue
New Ways to Die
Amazing Spider-Man #600
Amazing Spider-Man #606-607
The Gauntlet: Mysterio
Shed
Big Time (so far ...)
Leocomix
03-01-2011, 05:23 PM
The Ditko stories
Spider-Man: Blue
Kraven's Last Hunt
JMS' Ezekiel appearances (Fusion, Book of Ezekiel)
Sins Past
Death of Captain Stacy by Lee/Kane/Romita
The Octopus/Hammerhead war by Conway/Romita
Giant-Size Spider-Man #4
Other JM DeMatteis stories
Shed
The latest Marcos Martin issue
Ben Smith
03-01-2011, 05:41 PM
Giant-Size Spider-Man #4
that is a good one, great cover
Ben Smith
03-01-2011, 05:41 PM
I have a soft spot for the Nightcrawler appearances with Punisher and the 1st Jigsaw in ASM 161-162(?)
Leocomix
03-02-2011, 03:50 AM
that is a good one, great cover
I thought Andru deserved to be on the list but I had to think which story was good enough. This story with the Punisher and the naiveté of Spider-Man confronted to the realities of modern crime is much better than the similar Spider-Man vs Wolverine.
Another great Andru tale that I always forgot is Spider-Man vs Superman. Great art and great inking by Giordano and Terry Austin.
SpideyCzar
03-02-2011, 06:48 AM
I'm a DC boy, but my dream comic is Amazing Fantasy #15. It will be mine some day. Oh yes, it will.
If you have 7k laying around you can have my copy, CGC graded 2.0. Kidding, I'd never sell it.
oldschool
03-02-2011, 06:55 AM
I thought Andru deserved to be on the list but I had to think which story was good enough. This story with the Punisher and the naiveté of Spider-Man confronted to the realities of modern crime is much better than the similar Spider-Man vs Wolverine.
Another great Andru tale that I always forgot is Spider-Man vs Superman. Great art and great inking by Giordano and Terry Austin.
Totally agree on Andru's talent and that Spidey vs Supes story is one of the most beautifully drawn comics I have ever read!
IMO, Andru remains a mysteriously under-the-radar artist when people tick off their fave Spidey artists of all time.
Schmed
03-02-2011, 07:04 AM
If you have 7k laying around you can have my copy, CGC graded 2.0. Kidding, I'd never sell it.
You should if someone offers 7k for it! You could get three 2.0 graded copies for that much.
Also, what's your address???:wink:
coconutphone
03-02-2011, 07:27 AM
Also, what's your address???:wink:
Dont give it to him! He'll show up at all hours wanting to "hang out". Don't even ask him what he means by that.
wyokid
03-02-2011, 07:32 AM
One More Day was one of my favorite Spider-Man stories and I'm not afraid to admit that. The Gauntlet was excellent as well, but if we want to go old school. The one story where Mysterio is in Spider-Man's head and he thinks he's fighting all these villans and he's really punching a wall. I love psychochological stories. The Digger and the 9/11 issue were also good.
Ben Smith
03-02-2011, 03:44 PM
I thought Andru deserved to be on the list but I had to think which story was good enough. This story with the Punisher and the naiveté of Spider-Man confronted to the realities of modern crime is much better than the similar Spider-Man vs Wolverine.
Another great Andru tale that I always forgot is Spider-Man vs Superman. Great art and great inking by Giordano and Terry Austin.
I forgot Spider-Man vs Superman! a classic
Totally agree on Andru's talent and that Spidey vs Supes story is one of the most beautifully drawn comics I have ever read!
IMO, Andru remains a mysteriously under-the-radar artist when people tick off their fave Spidey artists of all time.
yeah, even I'll admit I forget to include him on my list, when he definitely should be on there.
Leocomix
03-02-2011, 05:15 PM
One More Day was one of my favorite Spider-Man stories and I'm not afraid to admit that. The Gauntlet was excellent as well, but if we want to go old school. The one story where Mysterio is in Spider-Man's head and he thinks he's fighting all these villans and he's really punching a wall. I love psychochological stories. The Digger and the 9/11 issue were also good.
It is indeed a very good story but I didn't put it on the list for a number of weaknesses:
The first part is slow and boring, the presence of Iron Man adds nothing thematically and Spider-Man's victory over Iron Man is dumb.
Parts 3 and 4 are harrowing all right but it lacks some sense of closure, the Brand New Day part tagged at the end doesn't really add something to what preceded. It leaves open a "there is something missing".
In addition, I think JMS' original idea was better.
For these reasons, I didn't feel it should be on the top march of the podium.
It is nevertheless an excellent story deserving to be counted with the best.
Ben Smith
03-02-2011, 05:49 PM
I just re-read the first issue of MK Spider-Man on my iPad just see if I was wrong the first time around. it was even worse for me the second time, I could barely get myself to finish it.
RDMacQ
03-02-2011, 05:54 PM
I just re-read the first issue of MK Spider-Man on my iPad just see if I was wrong the first time around. it was even worse for me the second time, I could barely get myself to finish it.
That's nice. What does this have to do with the topic of the conversation?
Benjamin Ong
03-02-2011, 08:00 PM
What're some of your favorite stories featuring Spidey's foes? Green Goblin, Doctor Octopus, Venom, Hobgoblin, Kraven, Lizard, Scorpion, Carnage, etc? Are stories such as Hunger, Return of theGoblin, Shed, Grim Hut, Origin of the Species, etc any good? Let's hear 'em!
Blight
03-02-2011, 10:30 PM
Green Goblin (Norman & Harry) - Legacy of Evil. It's an out of print one shot that I think should be available online through ebay and is still pretty cheap. A nice look at the history of Goblins and Spidey. It really gets you on the whole rivalry plus Spidey trying to prevent Normie from inheriting that legacy.
Hobgoblin (Roderick) - Hobgoblin Lives. This story is in the top tier of Spidey stories for me. It brings the original Hobgoblin back logically and answers all the plot holes one had with the original Saga. Not to mention he's back with a vengeance trying to topple Osborn Company and squash any loose ends (namely Betty Brant). A truly satisfying end to the original Hobgoblin Saga.
(Jason) Beware the Rage of a Desperate Man. I hate the final part, but the first three parts are probably the best Jason ever got. It's his quest to mean something again.
Doc Ock (Spider-Man Unlimited #4) just a nice origin for Doc Ock where we see a true Anti-Peter upbringing with his mom coddling him after Otto finds true love. Just a great story and a twist I never saw coming.
Shocker - there was a story in Web of Spidey. Pretty much Shocker amplified his suit so much his powers where fluctuating. Spidey and Night Trasher team up to save Shocky. Just a fun tale I always enjoyed.
Venom (Brock) Spider-Man Family #2. It was an issue written by Sean McKeever. I loved the art and the way Brock was portrayed in that. Stalking his prey that just so happened to not be Spidey this time around. All around creepy and a fun read.
Electro (Amazing Spider-Man #425) - A fully juiced Electro taking on Spidey and X-Man. It's a VERY under-rated story that made me see Electro in a different light so to speak. From being just a C lister to top tier in Spidey's Rogues Gallery.
Mysterio - This is a tough one. I love almost every appearance Beck or Berkhart appeared in the 90s to 00s. So EVERY Mysterio save for the Matrix one (Bryne/Mackie) was awesome.
dancingphlower
03-02-2011, 11:26 PM
Amazing Spider-Man #509-514: Sins Past. Aw yeah. I kid, I kid!
I really enjoyed the "Back in Black" arc, and Kraven's Last Hunt holds a special place in my heart.
Leocomix
03-02-2011, 11:58 PM
What're some of your favorite stories featuring Spidey's foes? Green Goblin, Doctor Octopus, Venom, Hobgoblin, Kraven, Lizard, Scorpion, Carnage, etc? Are stories such as Hunger, Return of theGoblin, Shed, Grim Hut, Origin of the Species, etc any good? Let's hear 'em!
Green Goblin: every story until his death in ASM 122 is good. Even the stories with Harry as Green Goblin are good enough.
Octopus: The Ditko stories are good then it becomes hit and miss. The death of Cap Stacy. The power struggle vs Hammerhead is good (circa ASM #112-115). Then it gets into bizarre with My Uncle My Enemy and the Ghost that Haunted Dr Octopus. ASM Annual 13 with art by Byrne, Austin is beautiful to look at. The Owl-Octopus power struggle by Milgrom in Peter Parker the Spectacular Spider-Man (circa #72-79) is worth your while.
Venom: a poor character but you can enjoy the McFarlane art in his early appearances. The mini-series by Zeb Wells tried to build the character.
Hobgoblin: The early appearances by Stern. If you insist, he DeFalco appearances with the 1998 conclusion by Stern in Hobgoblin Lives.
Kraven. The original Ditko appearance, then the character becomes a joke. ASM 103-104 and 111 have good art. MTU 67 had good art. The rehabilitation of teh character starts in PPSSM 65 and then Kraven's Last Hunt. In Spectacular Spider-Man Annual '96 definitive Kraven writer JM DeMatteis retells his first appearance.
Shed is good. Origin of the Species also.
DeMatteis wrote good stories with Spider-Man's classic villains: Vulture, Green Goblin, Chameleon.
Ben Smith
03-03-2011, 12:04 AM
Shed is good. Origin of the Species also.
I can't remember a bad Lizard story. doesn't mean there isn't one, just don't remember it.
which begs the question, which villain has had the most consistently good stories?
Blight
03-03-2011, 12:27 AM
I can't remember a bad Lizard story. doesn't mean there isn't one, just don't remember it.
which begs the question, which villain has had the most consistently good stories?
Original Hobgoblin, Mysterio, and Doc Ock. Save for a hiccup once, all three always provided some good tales that I enjoyed.
wyokid
03-03-2011, 04:45 AM
It is indeed a very good story but I didn't put it on the list for a number of weaknesses:
The first part is slow and boring, the presence of Iron Man adds nothing thematically and Spider-Man's victory over Iron Man is dumb.
Parts 3 and 4 are harrowing all right but it lacks some sense of closure, the Brand New Day part tagged at the end doesn't really add something to what preceded. It leaves open a "there is something missing".
In addition, I think JMS' original idea was better.
For these reasons, I didn't feel it should be on the top march of the podium.
It is nevertheless an excellent story deserving to be counted with the best.
Wait what was his orginal idea?
britishmixedwhiskey
03-03-2011, 07:20 AM
Revelations.
Lost Years .
Grim Hunt.
Kravens's Last hunt
Spidey(Ben Reilly) -Gambit Team up (Versus Tombstone)
Spidey and Iceman team up versus a mayoral candidate (cant remember issue exactly but Gwen stacy was alive)
Spidey and Punisher Punisher annual 1 by Rick Remender
Ben Smith
03-03-2011, 06:13 PM
Wait what was his orginal idea?
He wanted to completely erase all history back to Amazing Spider-Man #98-ish
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