Charmed: Season 8

[Nate Grey]

I can't find an official word on it; today is the day the WB is supposed to make an announcement, but at what time? The promo for the next episode and on the official WB site say it will be the SEASON finale, and Kern (the producer) says he's writing it as a series finale just in case with a big surprise at the end. We've already seen Cole for the 150th ep so that rules him out.

[artemisboy]

I visit a fan site called Charmed-Boards.com

On the site it has confirmed that Charmed is indeed going in for an eighth season. I'm releived. The post where it is stated also lists many new shows coming out, renewed shows, and shows that are cancelled.

- Peter

[Nate Grey]

I visit a fan site called Charmed-Boards.com

On the site it has confirmed that Charmed is indeed going in for an eighth season. I'm releived. The post where it is stated also lists many new shows coming out, renewed shows, and shows that are cancelled.

- Peter

Cool. I'm believing it 99%, but I'm an official-word kinda person. :D

I gotta admit that if it is coming back, that's great news. I really enjoyed this season. They finally got rid of the gimmicky one-shot episodes and went back to storyarcs, and who knew Oded Fehr would make such a great villain? I hope this trend continues for future seasons.

And I'm convinced (just call it a gut feeling) that the surprise ending for the season 7 finale is the return of Shannon Doherty. No proof or anything, just a feeling.

[Steve]

This is probably the closest thing you can get to being official. TV Tome indicates that Alyssa Milano's official website is confirming that it's renewed as well.

[Steve]

The WB has announced it's 2005 Fall scehdule here (http://tv.zap2it.com/tveditorial/tve_main/1,1002,271|95364|1|,00.html), which indicates that Charmed will stay on Sundays.

[artemisboy]

Here's what TheWB.com site has to say about next season's Charmed:

"The power of the Halliwell sisters has entranced audiences for 7 seasons, but next year, their lives will be charmed in unimaginable ways.

Piper, Paige and Phoebe have always been able to defeat the forces of darkness and still have time to buy the cutest cropped pants. But now they will encounter their greatest nemesis: a demon smart enough to expose them and ruthless enough to disrupt their overnight dates. With the police closing in on their bewitching identities, the Charmed Ones can depend only on themselves for survival. But the challenge to conceal their calling is about to prove impossible."

Ok, I have a SERIOUS issue with some of the lines entered here:

1) "and still have time to buy the cutest cropped pants"

This makes the show sound like over fluff, which unfortunately since Constance M. Burge left, has been a very bad direction to take the series. Who's gonna take the series seriously with crap lines like that?

2) "ruthless enough to disrupt their overnight dates"

Again, more unnecessary fluff. Who the girl's are dating shouldn't be a major pull for the show, let alone for inclusion in episodes. Back when Shannon Doherty was on the show the girls dated, but it didn't take up over half of their lives to get involved in like it does now. Again, just a bad direction writers need to steer away from. Or at least down-play in favor of storylines involving the sister's bonds with each other. SO many more ways to go as a series...

- Peter

[Deathstroke]

By the way, according to an article I read online former Sugar Ray singer Mark McGrath will join the cast of the show for a large portion of the season.

[Deathstroke]

Here's your official posting thread Charmed fans.

First bit of news for the thread is that Ivan Sergei (Hawaii) has been cast to play a cop on the show. He'll romance Paige (Rose McGowan) beginning in the 8th episode of the season. He'll appear in at least 9 episodes.

[Daniel Hopkins]

I cant believe this has been going for 8 seasons. I stopped watching after season 2, it was getting rediculous.

[DDM]

I cant believe this has been going for 8 seasons. I stopped watching after season 2, it was getting rediculous.

I think the creators have unintentioanlly turned Charmed into drag queen central. The camp factor is off the charts. It's why I stopped watching the show after Prue died.

[Matt K]

But Rose McGowan (pretty much the only reason I ever watched)

[Magneto_X]

Will this show ever die???????

Warbird:

I only saw eps for Holly Marie Combs.

[Wreck On The Highway]

I've only watched Charmed with the sound off. Need I say why? ;)

[artemisboy]

The show's executive producer Brad Kern all but said that season 8 will be the last season, but a possible spin-off series for the Billie character may be in the cards.

Also, Suger Ray's Mark McGrath said that he has too much obligation duties to the "Extra" entertainment news series and so he won't be on Charmed after all. His role is now re-cast with Sex In The City star Jason Lewis, who played Samantha's model boyfriend Jerod Smith.

- Peter

[artemisboy]

Oh, and the Billie character will be played by "8 Simple Rules" star Kaley Cuoco. Billie will be a new witch introduced on the series who becomes a new Charge to half Whitelighter Paige. The only known powers she has is telekinesis. It's been speculated that she could possibly be Phoebe's future daughter, which seems to be a running theme in the series, much like the X-Men comics.

The new season premiere will air on September 25th, and will be titled "Still Charmed and Kicking".

- Peter

[Pariah128]

Charmed is ok, ill probably just d/l the eps tho, cuz on sundays i watch other things

[Nate Grey]

Oh, and the Billie character will be played by "8 Simple Rules" star Kaley Cuoco. Billie will be a new witch introduced on the series who becomes a new Charge to half Whitelighter Paige. The only known powers she has is telekinesis. It's been speculated that she could possibly be Phoebe's future daughter, which seems to be a running theme in the series, much like the X-Men comics.

The new season premiere will air on September 25th, and will be titled "Still Charmed and Kicking".

- Peter

Sounds good, I'll definately be tuning in. I wonder if they do spin off Billie, will Paige be following? Also I guess this finally puts to rest those spinoff rumors starring Shannon Doherty as a resurrected Pru. :(

[VCreed32]

They need a child of theirs that is older than them retroactively inserted into their past.
Like Cable ;)

[titanfan]

The only known powers she has is telekinesis.

Seeing as she has a power from the Halliwell line, I'd say she's going turn out to be related to the sisters somehow--even if they say she's not one. (According to Kern anyway)

If she turns out she really is an indepedent witch, then I'm dissappointed that they didn't use the opportunity to introduce a new power.

[artemisboy]

The only problem I have with Billie "possibly" being a future Halliwell is that telekinesis is supposed to be a rarer power among witches. (Though it seems to be all too common in the demon world.) But thus far Wyatt, Chris and now Billie seem to have telekinesis. Thus, all of the "future Charmed Ones" (again, IF Billie is a Halliwell) seem to have the exact same power. Not much originallity there. I guess only time will tell.

- Peter

[tricksterpup]

I think the creators have unintentioanlly turned Charmed into drag queen central. The camp factor is off the charts. It's why I stopped watching the show after Prue died.
DDM, This show had taken the belly flop from Hell when they killed off Prue. I am not a huge fan of Shannen Doherty but she seemed to be the heart and soul of the show. She may have been the force behind serious storylines instead of alot of fluff on the show. I saw the Season finale of 7 and felt insulted by the writers. It was a really terrible show, and they kept this over Angel? I will pass this season up.

[artemisboy]

The thing you have to keep in mind with the Season 7 finale, Paramount hadn't told the Charmed staff if the show had been renewed or not. The finale needed to be written as time was cutting short (Paramount knew this but did nothing) so the final episode was written as a "potential" series finale and left everyone (both the cast and audiences) pretty pissed. It wasn't until the final episode aired that Paramount finally told Executive Producer Brad Kern that the series would be renewed another season. I know Holly Marie Combs especially was pissed about the whole thing.

- Peter

[titanfan]

The only problem I have with Billie "possibly" being a future Halliwell is that telekinesis is supposed to be a rarer power among witches. (Though it seems to be all too common in the demon world.)

It could be a rarer power among witches, but a common power in the Halliwell line. If I remember the first season right, Phoebe's premonition power was supposed to be the rarest power in the line. Grams's power is telekinesis as well. Finola Hughes's character had freezing.

I've always thought of it as being weird that the Charmed Ones aren't able to duplicate the most common power among demons and witches--shooting energy balls.

[artemisboy]

Well see, even THAT is pretty screwy. Energy balls were supposed to be a demonic power, much like throwing fire. It wasn't until Richard's family was introduced that engergy balls were depicted as a possible witch ability as well as demon. The only time I can remember the girls throwing energy balls was when the Power Broker infected Paige and caused her to have that ability, and it almost drove her insane.

And I have to agree with you re: the Halliwell line and telekinesis. The known Halliwells to have the power were:

Melina Warren (The Witch Is Back)
Brianna (Which Prue Is It Anyway)
Penny Johnson-Halliwell (That 70s Episode)
Prue (Something Wicca This Way Comes)
Paige - sort of anyway (Charmed Again)
Wyatt Halliwell (Sword and the City)
Chris Halliwell (Chris-Crossed)

- Peter

[Magneto_X]

I've only watched Charmed with the sound off. Need I say why? ;)

LMAO

*character limit*

[Magneto_X]

Oh, and the Billie character will be played by "8 Simple Rules" star Kaley Cuoco.
- Peter

Cuoco is over-rated. If they wanted a daughter from 8 Simple Rules they should have hired Amy Davidson.

She's hot and far more taelnted. Not just a pretty face, unlike Cuoco who's just a Elisha Cuthbert (only without the talent).

[Magneto_X]

I know Holly Marie Combs especially was pissed about the whole thing.

- Peter

HMC deserves to have a better career, IMO. She's being wasted on Charmed.

[artemisboy]

I remember when it was a big media deal that she was gonna kiss a girl on Picket Fences. And much like Rosanne's kiss, when it actually aired it wasn't a big deal at all.

- Peter

[tricksterpup]

HMC deserves to have a better career, IMO. She's being wasted on Charmed.
I think you are right, she is one of the few shinning moments on that show. As for a Genre show, I feel its subpar. Season 7 just had to much fluff on it. It had some great guest stars on the show but that just didnt save it for me. I also got tired of some of the rip offs the show did, such as the Magic School, ala Harry Potter. I think the last good plot the show had was that of the adult Christopher. I liked how it started but I think for some reason the producers of the show had a change of heart and changed his reason for coming back in time. It was just to fluffy and feel good, while there were building up his reasoning to be much darker.

[artemisboy]

Personally I thought that the idea for a good spin-off would have been the obvious choice of spotlighting the future Charmed three: adult Wyatt, adult Chris and adult [insert Phoebe's future daughter's name here]. It leaves it open for some of the girls to make guest appearances whenever they want, and at the same time can explore new and untapped areas of the Charmed mythos from a future stand-point.

- Peter

[tricksterpup]

Personally I thought that the idea for a good spin-off would have been the obvious choice of spotlighting the future Charmed three: adult Wyatt, adult Chris and adult [insert Phoebe's future daughter's name here]. It leaves it open for some of the girls to make guest appearances whenever they want, and at the same time can explore new and untapped areas of the Charmed mythos from a future stand-point.

- Peter
Charmed the Next Generation.. that could be cool, as long they got rid of the camp and prettiness of it. I miss them battling Warlocks and ugly demons.. I am tired of pretty demons.

[artemisboy]

This could definately be done in that scenerio as two of the leads would be men. I have a strong suspicion that the reason why there is so much fluff on the show is because the writers are writing for "female characters" as opposed to just plain ordinary "good" characters, not gender specific. With more testosterone on the series, it would more than likely shift back to the battle between good and evil as opposed to who is wearing a skimpy outfit or who is dating who.

- Peter

[KenK]

I remember when it was a big media deal that she was gonna kiss a girl on Picket Fences. And much like Rosanne's kiss, when it actually aired it wasn't a big deal at all.

- Peter

I remember that!!

[Magneto_X]

With more testosterone on the series, it would more than likely shift back to the battle between good and evil as opposed to who is wearing a skimpy outfit or who is dating who.

- Peter

Now, now genre shows can have pretty women in skimpy outfits and fighting evil (re: Buffy, Angel, Special Unit 2).

[tricksterpup]

Now, now genre shows can have pretty women in skimpy outfits and fighting evil (re: Buffy, Angel, Special Unit 2).
Yes but these 3 had good writting.

[DMike]

And the outfits the Buffy and Angel women wore were never particularly skimpy anyway. I've seen Charmed, and the Whedonverse women were never that bad with their wardrobes.

I've never seen Special Unit 2, so I can't comment on that.

[Magneto_X]

Yes but these 3 had good writting.

Heh. True there. :)

[artemisboy]

That's kinda what I ment. The current writers on the show aren't writing in the calibur of Buffy or Angel or the like. It's my belief that the writers/execs on Charmed think "oh, the main stars are girls so I'm gonna write them as wearing sexy clothes all the time and give them boyfriend troubles every episode". These specific writers don't have a clue. They either need to be switched out for writers who don't think in these terms or be told that they need to stop catering toward the gender of the characters all the time. A good character is a good character no matter what gender they are.

- Peter

[tricksterpup]

You know, we have all forgotten one thing about this being a bad show.. its an Aaron Spelling Production.

[Xiroteus]

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[artemisboy]

I have always enjoy Charmed, however, it does have continuity issues, and powers taken away because the good guys have rules to do good while evil can do whatever they want. Why would they not try and become as powerful can possible so no evil could ever be a threat to any of them.

The short answer is: budget. Phoebe's power of levitation was unofficially written off the show (she still supposedly has the power, but it will never/rarely be seen in new episodes) due to the fact that it cost the series several thousand dollars to use the crane needed to pull off the effect each time it is used. Hello, go the cheap route and use hidden tech guys pulling a rope attatched to her back... As it is, Paramount has given the Charmed series a lower budget to work with than in previous years. Add the fact that the girls gave themselves raises (Holly and Alyssa are producers on the series) to the lowered budget and you get something VERY disappointing: Dorian Gregory (Daryl) will now no longer be on the show AND Brian Krause (Leo) will only be in 10 episodes this last season.

- Peter

[tricksterpup]

Well here is something i found on Scifi.com


Charmed Begins Anew

Brad Kern, executive producer of The WB's Charmed, told SCI FI Wire that he believes they've created a series with "a canvas that seems to be infinite."

"We can paint whatever picture we want to paint," Kern said in an interview. "We can go anywhere we want to go. But it really does start with the characters and the stars, because they are real women, and they are real sisters. At least that's the way we portray them. And they grow up, and as they grow up they experience different things in their lives. Certainly different, 23 versus 30. And that opens up the door for new metaphors and new demons to resonate and challenge them in their next stages of life."

Charmed—starring Holly Marie Combs, Alyssa Milano and Rose McGowan as the witchy Halliwell sisters—is set to begin its eighth season this weekend after a last-minute renewal last season. "We'll have done 178 episodes [by the end of the season]," Kern said. "It's such lofty territory, [especially for] genre shows in prime time. I feel like I've got a nose bleed [laughs]. I think that obviously it's a challenge coming out of the season finale, which was designed in part to be a series finale, in case we weren't going to come back. Because we have come back, it has created some challenges for us. The one thing I know we don't want to do, and we're not going to do, is get out that cheaply or easily."

Last season the Charmed Ones took on Zankou (Oded Fehr), a demon who stole their powers in an attempt to take in the power of the Shadow. In the seventh-season finale, the sisters where able to defeat him, but ended up having to fake their deaths to the demon and the mortal world. As season eight begins, Paige, Piper and Phoebe will continue to let the world believe that they are dead, Kern said.

In some ways the sisters will like their new lives better, Kern added. "And they should like it a lot better," he said. "I think that's going to open up more stories for us, because we're able to send the women out into the real world, for really the first time, full time, in seven years. But at the same time they're going to be challenged by what they see around them, which is bad things happening. Demons taking advantage of the Charmed Ones supposedly being gone. And how are they going to reconcile that while they live their own individual lives? How can they pretend like it doesn't matter? How can they watch bad things happen and do nothing about it? Yet if they decide to do something about it, then they risk losing the very thing that they've wanted, which is normal lives."

This season a new character named Billie (Kaley Cuoco) has been added to the cast. Billie is "kind of a brash thrill-seeker, a 19-year-old kick-ass witch, who they're going to end up reluctantly recruiting," Kern said. He added that he believes it's time for the girls to "pass the baton off, or at least attempt to pass the baton off. It's not going to be an easy baton pass to this new character." Charmed's eighth season premieres on Sept. 25 at 8 p.m. ET/PT.



He added that he believes it's time for the girls to "pass the baton off, or at least attempt to pass the baton off. It's not going to be an easy baton pass to this new character."

Isn't this missing the entire point of them being the Charmed ones and its their destiny??

[The Dosadi Experiment]

Did Phoebe ever develop decent powers?

Prue had telekinesis and astral projection
Piper could freeze time
and Phoebe... she sporadically saw the future if it was convenient to the plot...

[tricksterpup]

Did Phoebe ever develop decent powers?

Prue had telekinesis and astral projection
Piper could freeze time
and Phoebe... she sporadically saw the future if it was convenient to the plot...
Yes, she gained the power to show more cleavage as the series progressed.

[Xiroteus]

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[artemisboy]

Did Phoebe ever develop decent powers?

Prue had telekinesis and astral projection
Piper could freeze time
and Phoebe... she sporadically saw the future if it was convenient to the plot...

Like Xiroteus said, Phoebe did develop empathic powers. ie. the ability to sense the emotions of others around her. It made sense as it was a relatively cheap power to have as there are no real special effects other than the jingling noise that plays everytime she used the power, unfortunately around the same time she developed this power a writer had to come up with the idea that she could use this power to channel other people's emotions. Channeling emotions then changed over to channeling other people's powers. This then became a bit of a sore writing spot as, if she were able to channel anyone's powers, there would be little that could actually harm her. Hence, it was written in that she was using her powers for personal gain so the Elders took it away from her. Lame, lame, lame.

She also developed the ability of levitation. Basically hovering in air for a short while, which she often used right before kicking an opponent in the face. The crane used to acheive this effect cost several thousand dollars everytime it was used so the levitation ability is merely collecting dust and is forgotten. Again, lame.

Her premonition powers were supposed to have advanced to where she can astral project into her future body whenever she saw into the future, but alas this ability seems to have been forgotten too as she's only done this once. Actually, since she developed this ability we haven't (by "we" I mean the camera) hasn't been able to "see" her premonitions anymore. Phoebe merely acts suprised, we hear the premonition sound effect (sometimes not even that) and she tells us what she saw. The only time I can think of where we were able to see what she saw since the advancement was when she saw herself pregnate and again later when she saw herself waiting for her future grade-school daughter, future grade-school Wyatt and future grade-school Chris to come out of school.

- Peter

[Xiroteus]

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[titanfan]

he crane used to acheive this effect cost several thousand dollars everytime it was used so the levitation ability is merely collecting dust and is forgotten. Again, lame.

They used a crane?!?!?! Geez, I thought they used cheapy wires like in the movies. I remember everyone expected her to get those lightning powers her future self used once, but she never has yet.

Despite Phoebie not having any active powers other than her martial arts, it seems like Demons still consider her a bigger threat than Paige.

[tricksterpup]

Despite Phoebie not having any active powers other than her martial arts, it seems like Demons still consider her a bigger threat than Paige.
If you saw Rose McGowan walking down a dark alley towards you would you be afraid of her?
http://readytorumble.warnerbros.com/img/bigphotos/photo25.jpg

[The Dosadi Experiment]

So Phoebe is still the most worthless of the three?

I remember this one time when the three were sent into the future and she was on death row for killing a baseball player with her advanced abilities... Prue had white hair and was mondo powerful.

It was also suggested that the man she killed was Dan, with whom she sort of hooked up in the present time... or was it Piper who hooked up with Dan... when Leo was still a regular human gardener and handyman... with a shady edge...

[eJm]

I, like alot of you guys, never liked Charmed after Doherty went, but when my sisters watch it, I might watch it. But it really has gone downhill. Too camp, too unfocused on the demons, no real plot development and not a very good script.

And Leo, only in 10 episodes?! Whasupwitthat?!

[artemisboy]

So Phoebe is still the most worthless of the three?

I remember this one time when the three were sent into the future and she was on death row for killing a baseball player with her advanced abilities... Prue had white hair and was mondo powerful.

It was also suggested that the man she killed was Dan, with whom she sort of hooked up in the present time... or was it Piper who hooked up with Dan... when Leo was still a regular human gardener and handyman... with a shady edge...

No, the guy Phoebe supposedly killed in the future was a baseball player named Cal Green. It was never explained what exactly happened, only that he killed someone very close to Phoebe and she sought revenge. Back then I assumed that he killed Cole and that is why Phoebe killed him.

In the future Phoebe was shown to have emmitted electricity from her hands. She put her hands on either side of Cal Green's head and electricuted him while they both levitated into the air. So Phoebe's power of levitation did come to pass, but the electricity power never did. Unfortunately the Charmed writers aren't very good with continuity. But if you did try to explain it out, perhaps she was using her empathic powers to channel the electricity power from somewhere else.

- Peter

[artemisboy]

I recall it being other beings that removed her powers

No, it was written in that she was using her premonition powers to try to find out who the father of her future daughter was. So she got all power dating crazy and would set up dates, touch her date's hands to get a premonition and then dump them in order to schedule another date. Because she was doing this the Elders took away all of her active powers, but left her the ability to create spells and potions so that the Power of Three would still be intact. Phoebe later was given back the power of premonition only and has yet to display levitation or empathy. But again, due to the budget constraints Phoebe will more than likely only have her premonition power when the series is over.

- Peter

[Xiroteus]

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[comicaze]

I have always enjoy Charmed, however, it does have continuity issues, and powers taken away because the good guys have rules to do good while evil can do whatever they want. Why would they not try and become as powerful can possible so no evil could ever be a threat to any of them.

Dramatically, it would be boring to watch people who could easily take down any enemy. Practically, the show would then be, at most, 30 minutes long. Once they found out who/what was attacking, they could just go and take him/it out. Theoretically, haven't you heard that "Absolute power corrupts absolutely"? :)

Also, while it is a genre show, it is not Buffy. Even though the relationship stuff can get to be a bit much, I like it more as a show about "sisters who happen to be witches" rather than "witches who happen to be sisters".

[Xiroteus]

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[artemisboy]

In a world where there is much evil to be stopped the higher powers really need to be less selective on good using their powers for harmless reasons. A story point that I always felt should have never been started.

Well, the funny thing that always bugged me was: if the Charmed Ones live in San Francisco and are known to kill every single warlock/demon they come into contact with, wouldn't warlocks and demons prefer to set up shop in, say, Australia, England, Brazil, ... Wisconnson? I'm just saying...

- Peter

[titanfan]

I think in a sense, the Charmed Ones have become way too powerful, that's one of the reasons why the show isn't that exciting.

In the early seasons, it seemed that each demon they fought had to be defeated in a different way. It was a new challenge. These days Paige goes: "I'll make a potion!" and then they just throw a vial at demon and he is vanquished. Bleah. (Not to mention Piper has an insta-kill power on lower level demons now)

[tangentman]

The truly supernatural part of Charmed to me is the fact that the show has gone SEVEN full years set in San Francisco, yet EVERYBODY they meet seems to be straight! LOL Maybe the Halliwells live in an AU SF without a Castro Street? :p

[artemisboy]

The truly supernatural part of Charmed to me is the fact that the show has gone SEVEN full years set in San Francisco, yet EVERYBODY they meet seems to be straight! LOL Maybe the Halliwells live in an AU SF without a Castro Street? :p

The only "gay" characters I can think of were the "potentially" lesbian demons shown in the first Leprechaun episode. (see photo attatchment)

Also, when Phoebe went for a magazine photoshoot to drum up publicity for her column, there was an over-the-top flaming photographer taking the pics.

And last season a very small storyline took place in which two male office workers at Phoebe's newspaper had crushes on each other.

And not that it counts but Sam Pancake, who appeared in the episode starring Fright Night star Chris Sarandon, is gay in real life. He didn't seem to be butching it up for the camera either.

I do think that a gay friend would be totally cool for the girls, seeing as they live in (arguably) the gayest city in the U.S. It just makes sense.

- Peter

[tangentman]

I never saw the last two episodes that you mentioned. Personally, I always thought of Chris as gay. :evilsmile

[artemisboy]

I never saw the last two episodes that you mentioned. Personally, I always thought of Chris as gay. :evilsmile

LOL. I always thought this too. He was shown with women, but it always came across as contrived to me. ie. kissing the Valkaryie, the "after glow" scene with that girl in the P3 backroom, and the leather-clad demon fiance from the future.

And of coarse you have actor who plays "future Wyatt" in the gay film Latter Days.

- Peter

[titanfan]

Paige actually comes across as the type of person who would have a stereotypically gay best friend. I thought I remembered one of the guys who worked at Piper's club once mentioning he had a boyfriend in passing too.

A gay presence would definitely help the show if only so he could get Phoebe out of all that slut wear she calls an outfit.

[Xiroteus]

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[tangentman]

Paige actually comes across as the type of person who would have a stereotypically gay best friend. I thought I remembered one of the guys who worked at Piper's club once mentioning he had a boyfriend in passing too.

A gay presence would definitely help the show if only so he could get Phoebe out of all that slut wear she calls an outfit.

Paige is the quintessential Fag Hag! I say that with perfect love! :D
Yeah, Phoebe definitely needed a Queer Eye for her wardrobe--unless those outfits were the result of intentionally misleading advice from an office queen who HATED her. :evilsmile

[tangentman]

LOL. I always thought this too. He was shown with women, but it always came across as contrived to me. ie. kissing the Valkaryie, the "after glow" scene with that girl in the P3 backroom, and the leather-clad demon fiance from the future.

And of coarse you have actor who plays "future Wyatt" in the gay film Latter Days.

- Peter

Yeah, I never bought Chris' uber-hetero streak either! LOL I could see Wyatt growing up to become the Babe Magnet and banging hot women left and right. Doesn't work for me w/Chris, though. Chris was a character I saw as being closer to Piper in his home reality, not an outright flamer, but maybe very private about his lovelife--wherein a guy seemed like a more natural fit.

IMO, making Chris gay could have deepened the tension with Leo, especially when it came to depicting parental hopes and dreams with frustrated expectations when the adult son makes a different life choice. It would have been nice to see Leo shown with warts that weren't based on his role as White-Lighter/Elder or jealous possessiveness of Piper.

[PEBBLES]

The only "gay" characters I can think of were the "potentially" lesbian demons shown in the first Leprechaun episode. (see photo attatchment)

Also, when Phoebe went for a magazine photoshoot to drum up publicity for her column, there was an over-the-top flaming photographer taking the pics.

And last season a very small storyline took place in which two male office workers at Phoebe's newspaper had crushes on each other.

And not that it counts but Sam Pancake, who appeared in the episode starring Fright Night star Chris Sarandon, is gay in real life. He didn't seem to be butching it up for the camera either.

I do think that a gay friend would be totally cool for the girls, seeing as they live in (arguably) the gayest city in the U.S. It just makes sense.

- Peter


There was also a woman whose lover was killed(or missing) and the cops wouldn't help her because of her orientation...Something like that. My memory is hazy. :p

[regnak]

There was also a woman whose lover was killed(or missing) and the cops wouldn't help her because of her orientation...Something like that. My memory is hazy. :p

It was because she hadn't been missing for 48 hours. That's been pretty standard everwhere and used in tv shows for years.

[LordKaos]

Season Priemere
I give it 3.5/5
The episode was good at the setup and had funny bits (Wyatt-Piper killing the demons). Billy, the new witch, looks so good in black, hope she gets an orginal power.

It's going to be very intresting to see who's going to be the big bad for this season.

Anyone else watch?

[VCreed32]

Have the sisters ever did that freezing then TK into blast like Wyatt did?

[LordKaos]

Have the sisters ever did that freezing then TK into blast like Wyatt did?


Not that I recall, which is why I thought it was really Wyatt at first. And how did Piper orb like that anyway?

[VCreed32]

Oh, I thought that was Wyatt
That was like the only part of the ep I saw.

[davids]

and it's about to have an eight? THERE IS NO GOD!

[tricksterpup]

Darn, I missed the season premiere, I wont be able to sleep tonight now. gosh darnit. :rolleyes:

[artemisboy]

There was also a woman whose lover was killed(or missing) and the cops wouldn't help her because of her orientation...Something like that. My memory is hazy. :p

Doh! Good call Pebbles! I forgot all about that one. Yeah, it was in the Pirate episode.

As for the season premiere, I liked it. Not loved it, but definately liked it. Granted, I had no idea who the woman celebrity Paige morphed into was, but I get the just of what was supposed to be happening. And hallelujah, a potentially main baddie who is black! So far they have either been grotesque caucasians or white hot bad boys. Granted, this new bad guy isn't hard on the eyes either, but at least they're expanding. (and not that I'm complaining, but why IS it that demons are usually so hot?)

I was scratching my head though in how Piper was able to access TK powers while posing as Wyatt. She doesn't possess TK, which was partially used to bounce energy balls back at the senders. And was it just me, or did Grams look extremely tired?

- Peter

[artemisboy]

And how did Piper orb like that anyway?

I was thinking that either Paige or Leo orbed her there.

- Peter

[VCreed32]

Oded Fehr's white!?

[artemisboy]

Oded Fehr's white!?

LOL. I'd classify him as such. He's of Arab decent, which in my mind, would be closer to white than black or asian.

- Peter

[titanfan]

Granted, I had no idea who the woman celebrity Paige morphed into was.

I thought that was hilarious. Janice Dickinson is (was) the Simon Cowell-like judge on America's Next Top Model. I was surprised they didn't use a celebrity from a WB show though.
(Cross-promotion and all)

Yeah, I was like "Wow, Leo has all three of their powers" when he was vanquishing the demons, but when they revealed it was Piper and Phoebe, I was like "Where did the telekinesis come from?" Unless Phoebe got her empathic channelling powers off-camera again. (Please no, that was horrible idea) As a side note, I hate how they can glamour so easily these days. I thought that was supposed to be a White-Lighter only power and now they can magically duplicate that.

Overall it was good, not great. I do like how they didn't just magically erase the season finale from last year.

There was the badass evil seer who was an African American woman too. (Debbi Morgan?) She started off in a supporting role, but then became a big bad of her own.

[artemisboy]

I believe the original Seer was vanquished in the 100th episode: Charmed Centennial. She rocked, and if you take a good look will notice that the character never blinks. Weird.

I'm not crazy with the snap of a finger glamouring either. It doesn't fit in continuity.

- Peter

[Xiroteus]

Edit......

[Mr. Croup]

I think that the power that the future Phoebe had was a form of projective empathy. She channeled all of her rage into the guy, and it killed him.

[DMike]

I believe the original Seer was vanquished in the 100th episode: Charmed Centennial. She rocked, and if you take a good look will notice that the character never blinks. Weird.

Cole was the one killed in the 100th episode. The Debbi Morgan Seer (not to be confused with the Charisma Carpenter Seer) was killed at the end of Season Four; her appearance in the 100th episode was because of the alternate universe.

Unless Phoebe got her empathic channelling powers off-camera again. (Please no, that was horrible idea)

I just saw screencaps of the sequence, and Phoebe has nothing to do with it. The other demon getting hit by the energy ball happened because Piper froze the energy ball, the blew it up so that it burst into pieces, one of which hit that demon. It wasn't reflected, it was ricocheted.

[artemisboy]

Every writer who ever wrote Fairy Tale storylines into the show needs to be fired and never get work in Hollywood again. They are all cheesy, horrible and bring down the series more than where it is already at. I was so embarrassed at certain points that I intentionally left the room to get a drink.

- Peter

[tricksterpup]

Every writer who ever wrote Fairy Tale storylines into the show needs to be fired and never get work in Hollywood again. They are all cheesy, horrible and bring down the series more than where it is already at. I was so embarrassed at certain points that I intentionally left the room to get a drink.

- Peter
When a show does this, i just turn it off. I have not seen an episode of Charmed yet this season and havent had the desire.

[Pariah128]

a bit OT but i have a rant, was i the only one pissed at the way the charmed ones treated cole? and just the whole way it was handled

I mean, cole was tricked into becoming the source, it was not his decision, the "source" does not refer to any one person as I understand it, its basically a power boost given to the strongest demon at the time, why did they not address this? why wasnt there any episode where they explained cole was possessed by the source of that power? I mean, the sisters have been possessed,etc. before, yet when it happens to cole hes a dick and deserves to die? I mean..i guess the charmed ones wouldnt of known what happened..but wtf? why didnt cole say anything? you know "I was tricked by the seer into letting the power of the soruce into me" might of changed a lot about the situation, then they go and make cole even more uber but then chop off his nuts by giving him this odd obsession over phoebe, and then he's killed? yes, an AVATAR was killed..by a normal potion, makes sense right, it doesnt matter if cole had made a different reality where he didnt have his uber powers, he was an avatar, the avatar frickin even said they werent effected by it..so why did he even lose any power at all? and even if he did they should of needed the avatar potion to kill him..ahh!

[tricksterpup]

a bit OT but i have a rant, was i the only one pissed at the way the charmed ones treated cole? and just the whole way it was handled

I mean, cole was tricked into becoming the source, it was not his decision, the "source" does not refer to any one person as I understand it, its basically a power boost given to the strongest demon at the time, why did they not address this? why wasnt there any episode where they explained cole was possessed by the source of that power? I mean, the sisters have been possessed,etc. before, yet when it happens to cole hes a dick and deserves to die? I mean..i guess the charmed ones wouldnt of known what happened..but wtf? why didnt cole say anything? you know "I was tricked by the seer into letting the power of the soruce into me" might of changed a lot about the situation, then they go and make cole even more uber but then chop off his nuts by giving him this odd obsession over phoebe, and then he's killed? yes, an AVATAR was killed..by a normal potion, makes sense right, it doesnt matter if cole had made a different reality where he didnt have his uber powers, he was an avatar, the avatar frickin even said they werent effected by it..so why did he even lose any power at all? and even if he did they should of needed the avatar potion to kill him..ahh!
Well I have to add to this rant, one of my problems with the show is that all male characters are treated like shit. If this was as show about 3 men and all the females were treated this way, the show would be labled Mysoginist (sp?). It was a very bad portral of men in the show as well as treatment to their characters.

[artemisboy]

I have to agree with the two above posts. Men are always treated like crap on the show. Actually, that's one of the aspects of the show that is officially written in to the Charmed mythos. Since the time of the girl's ancestor Melinda Warren, the men they love have either betrayed them or died a horrible death, leaving the women to raise the children alone. Cole is the ultimate slap in the face to men. Here's this guy who's turned from evil time and time again for the love of Phoebe and they end up NOT ONLY kicking him out on the curb, but tried to kill him every chance they got. SERIOUSLY messed up.

And I have to agree with the Source possession angle. All of the girls have been turned into an evil creature at one time or another, and have acted as such. The thing was that the girls fought to correct it. When it came to Phoebe's husband, even Phoebe let the claws out. Now we have Brian Krause (Leo) kicked off of half the season to accomidate the girl's self-imposed pay increase. So not only does Leo get the shaft in the series, but in real-life too.

- Peter

[Pariah128]

Also about male-treatment, if you think back even the male versions of the charmed ones got beaten cheaply, hell, they were outpowering the charmed ones with only TWO of them, they could of been incredibly powerful, and how did they die? IIRC they kill each other off, because one of them was good or some crap

[Pariah128]

Here's this guy who's turned from evil time and time again for the love of Phoebe and they end up NOT ONLY kicking him out on the curb, but tried to kill him every chance they got. SERIOUSLY messed up.

yeah, especially since cole had given up his powers for her, betrayed all his fellow demons with her which means he had the source and about every other demon on his ass wanting him dead, AND when he was the source he still had enough love for her not to murder her sisters, even when he had ultimate power and was causing trouble for them he rarely went all out and when he did he made them all his bitch..and he was pretty much the only demon strong enough to kill them or smart enough to outsmart them and get close enough to kill them, and what happens? they chop his balls off


And I have to agree with the Source possession angle. All of the girls have been turned into an evil creature at one time or another, and have acted as such. The thing was that the girls fought to correct it. When it came to Phoebe's husband, even Phoebe let the claws out. Now we have Brian Krause (Leo) kicked off of half the season to accomidate the girl's self-imposed pay increase. So not only does Leo get the shaft in the series, but in real-life too.

I mean hell, wasnt there an episode in the 7th season where the charmed ones murder or almost murder a whitelighter because they turn into these beast things? and nobody saw fit to really reprimand phoebe when she used her powers to save someone from DEATH, she tried to deny death and what? nothing, then when she misuses her powers again they slap her on the wrist and take them away for a bit

and i havent heard about the leo thing till now, which sucks since this will most likely be the last season for charmed and we wont see him that much, hes a good character and is actually pretty powerful

[artemisboy]

Not anymore. It seems he doesn't have anymore powers as he was locked out of the house and had to call Piper to let him in.

- Peter

[Pariah128]

Not anymore. It seems he doesn't have anymore powers as he was locked out of the house and had to call Piper to let him in.

- Peter


yeah i forgot..in the middle of the last season the elders took his powers..but then again they've been taken before..I think they'll probably be returned, or I hope..if not for him the charmed ones would of died on multiple occasions

[artemisboy]

Last night's episode was pretty ok. But what's with the girls and their rude ignoring of people? They've done this before to each other over the years, but last night it was really obvious and rude when they did it to Billie. Not a big deal really, just something I noticed.

I also didn't get why Leo wouldn't tell the girl on the children's play-date that he was married. After all that Leo and Piper went through together, you'd think he'd love her enough to say, "Sorry, I don't have a ring but I'm very much married". Too cool seeing good witches use standard TK again, even if it wasn't one of the sisters.

- Peter

[Pariah128]

I enjoyed yesterdays episode, it was nice to see the original Source return..also kind of weird to see the BIlly chick seems to be adapting MUCH quicker than the sisters did when the first began

what im wondering is what happens to wyatt sensing evil? he used to be able to have a pretty good idea when he was in danger, and thus would then put up his invicibility shield, hell the only person to get around it had to steal one of the charmed ones voices just to sound like her, yet some weird teacher openly doing magic in front of him doesnt make him go: hmmm. ah well, he is just a kid afterall

only thing that made me go "what" is when paige asked how they got rid of the source last time..when she was there

Also anyone getting the feeling that by either mid-season or end of the season the charmed ones will do a spell to reverse them being dead to the world? i really dont see them keeping up these disguises permanently

also when paige claimed that phoebes premonitions arent always literal..what exactly did that mean? i cant remember phoebe having any symbollic visions or anything..

I was also actually rooting for Wyatt to kill the source on his own, or to see leo and sense his dads in danger and take out every demon in the room including the source, it would of displayed some of his power, tho bringing the source back to life isnt too shabby for a 3 yr. old, also it seems wyatt has paiges "orbital tk" power, I mean, from that it makes me think..wouldnt every whitelighter be able to do it then? yet i dont remember chris or leo ever doing stuff like that, and it begs the question what exactly IS paiges power then, if the tk orbing is common, Wyatt seems to have a boatload of powers as well: invincibility shield, conjuring, orbing, whatever he did to miniturize his parents and put them in some magical doll house..I would really like to see future wyatt have a more permanent role so we can see what he's capable of, I also wouldnt of minded having the source come back for more than one episode, yet he is right they'd have no way to destroy him

[titanfan]

Also anyone getting the feeling that by either mid-season or end of the season the charmed ones will do a spell to reverse them being dead to the world? i really dont see them keeping up these disguises permanently


I see it happening by November Sweeps.

also when paige claimed that phoebes premonitions arent always literal..what exactly did that mean? i cant remember phoebe having any symbollic visions or anything..


Yeah, I don't know about metaphoric visions, but I think it means that sometimes her visions can be taken out of context. Just because she sees herself marrying XXX doesn't mean she is going to marry XXX, they could end up both being cast on a soap opera and playing newlyweds or something like that....

[artemisboy]

only thing that made me go "what" is when paige asked how they got rid of the source last time..when she was there

THANK YOU! Again, my issues with the writers comes glaringly through.

- Peter

[Nate Grey]

Isn't the guy who plays Leo only in half the eps this season? I thought they were gonna put him in the second half, not the first half. Since he IS in the first half, I guess they're going to kill him off? :(

[artemisboy]

I really hope not. But as he has no powers anymore to protect himself, it could be very likely.

- Peter

[LordKaos]

Every writer who ever wrote Fairy Tale storylines into the show needs to be fired and never get work in Hollywood again. They are all cheesy, horrible and bring down the series more than where it is already at. I was so embarrassed at certain points that I intentionally left the room to get a drink.

- Peter

Really? I thought the Billie in Wonderland was the best part of the episode.

[artemisboy]

I guess I just have a hard time taking a show seriously where the main characters are supposed to be battling demons, but instead are grown adults playing make-believe in some far off fairytale. Sure the whole show is make-believe, but if Buffy had an episode where you were supposed to take seriously that she was being attacked by the Easter Bunny...I think you can get where I'm coming from.

- Peter

[comicaze]

Ok, what did everyone think of Billie as Wonder Woman? Someone on the writing staff obviously reads comics to make the Girdle of Gaea connection. Makes me wonder why this hasn't come up before? If nothing else, this appearance rates Kaley Cuoco a spot on the cast of any adaptation of the current comics Titans line-up (as the Cassie Wonder Girl). And I still stand by HMC as Donna Troy.

[comicaze]

As for the Charmed Ones giving up their new fake identities, it didn't surprise me that it happened so fast but it disturbed me. That's the way this show goes for me...when they have a good solid arc, they wrap it up as quickly as possible. Unlike the Phoebe and Cole crap, which went nowhere and took forever getting there.

I wouldn't have minded if Billie was good magic's way of luring the Halliwells out of hiding and it took them a while to figure that out. Alas, it was over way too quick for me.

[artemisboy]

The episode was ok for the most part. I think I was more interested in the "Paige saves a troubled youth" storyline more. The superhero storyline got a little too man-bashing for my taste. If you wanna see a better superhero storyline from the show, watch the episode "Witches In Tights". Total fun.

Although with next week's "Hulk" episode, I'm thinking that the writers have yet again hit a dry well.

- Peter

[comicaze]

Well, Leo's frozen...what does everybody think? Although I know getting rid of Brian Krause was a cost-cutting measure for the series, I thought this episode did a good job of putting it into a relatively beliveable context plot-wise.

I was really impressed with Holly's acting in this episode and enjoyed how the story was more grounded in reality and relationships (Piper/Leo and Paige/Henry) than in a bunch of hokum pocus. :) It showed the sensitive side underneath Piper's snarkiness and developed her relationship with Leo without another meaningless fight between them. In fact, this was probably one of the better Piper/Leo episodes in a long time. And, I like seeing Paige in a normal relationship without magic involved.

We also had Elders, Avatars, Angels of Death and Destiny, and a Power of Three spell IIRC. It probably also helped me that Billie and Phoebe were bit players...a little of them goes a long way with me.

I'm sure it was kind of a weird atmosphere on set because Alyssa and HMC have acted alongside Brian for a long time, yet as producers they had to write him out. Anyone think freezing was too convenient a way to write him out? I can see that POV, but I think it works better than directly killing him off (considering Leo's importance to the show) and gives the characters added motivation to overcome this newest obstacle.

If they're going to keep Billie around, I'm glad they're moving her "missing sister" storyline slowly to give us time to begin to care about it. It also gives her a reason for being besides being trained.

[Toreador]

I was kind of hoping that Death would take Leo but as his new replacement (ala Piers Anthony's On A Pale Horse) or to become an agent of Death collecting souls around the world.

Leo's been a WhiteLighter, an Elder and an Avatar so why not become the Angel of Death? Talk about a guy who can hold a job.

[artemisboy]

Although I know getting rid of Brian Krause was a cost-cutting measure for the series, I thought this episode did a good job of putting it into a relatively beliveable context plot-wise. ... I'm sure it was kind of a weird atmosphere on set because Alyssa and HMC have acted alongside Brian for a long time, yet as producers they had to write him out.

One funny note about that: Alyssa and Holly ARE producers on the show. Thus, they are part of the handful of producers who decided to write Brian out of the show for a while. Add to that the fact that all three girls recieved pay increases despite the reduction in available production money and you get a not so nice image playing out.

- Peter

[Ravenheart]

I just finished watching the Season DVD set because I never got to see it when it originally aired on TV.It kinda sucks that they had to use new music for the opening but overall the final season was pretty good.The final episode was a nice ending to the series.Maybe one of these days I'll go back and watch the entire series straight through.Been wanting to do that with a few series but haven't gotten around to it yet.

[Nate Grey]

I just finished watching the Season DVD set because I never got to see it when it originally aired on TV.It kinda sucks that they had to use new music for the opening

As soon as you said this I went straight to YouTube and found it (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jhTcaGQLPs) . Now, I'll always love the original, but this one is kinda cool. Oddly enough, I wish they had used it during the original run of the final season (JUST the final season, not before). I already have season 8 on VHS somewhere, but now I'm thinking of getting the DVD release.

[Ravenheart]

As soon as you said this I went straight to YouTube and found it (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jhTcaGQLPs) . Now, I'll always love the original, but this one is kinda cool. Oddly enough, I wish they had used it during the original run of the final season (JUST the final season, not before). I already have season 8 on VHS somewhere, but now I'm thinking of getting the DVD release.


The DVD theme wasn't bad but after hearing the original theme for 7 years then this new one,it doesn't sound as good.

[DDM]

I just finished watching the Season DVD set because I never got to see it when it originally aired on TV.It kinda sucks that they had to use new music for the opening but overall the final season was pretty good.The final episode was a nice ending to the series.Maybe one of these days I'll go back and watch the entire series straight through.Been wanting to do that with a few series but haven't gotten around to it yet.

Did Morrissey have issues with the DVD release? He didn't mind them using How Soon Is Now? for most of Charmed's entire television life.

[Ravenheart]

Did Morrissey have issues with the DVD release? He didn't mind them using How Soon Is Now? for most of Charmed's entire television life.


I read somewhere that by the time the DVD had come out,the contract for using the song had expired and they didn't want to renew it or something like that.I really hate when that happens.I can't see why they couldn't have renewed it just for the DVD release.

[DDM]

I read somewhere that by the time the DVD had come out,the contract for using the song had expired and they didn't want to renew it or something like that.I really hate when that happens.I can't see why they couldn't have renewed it just for the DVD release.

It would have cost the WB more money than they wanted to pay. Morrissey is very guarded about his music.

[Ravenheart]

It would have cost the WB more money than they wanted to pay. Morrissey is very guarded about his music.

When I started watching the first episode of season 8,I was sitting there waiting for the first few minutes to end so I could hear the theme.I got quite a surprise when the new one started playing LOL

[DDM]

When I started watching the first episode of season 8,I was sitting there waiting for the first few minutes to end so I could hear the theme.I got quite a surprise when the new one started playing LOL

I was surprised Morrissey even allowed any of his songs to be in any television show in the first place, although a different singer does "How Soon Is Now?" for Charmed.