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cactusmaac
05-17-2005, 09:46 AM
I found this while I was cleaning out my old computer.

Something I think posted on alt.toys.transformers a long while back.

Enjoy the geeky analysis!

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I've recently been watching the Season Two Part One boxset of the G1
series, reliving the glory days of Transformers. One thing that's
occurred to me is that taking the plasma bath isn't probably the only
reason Galvatron was a lunatic.

I'm making the assumption here that Galvatron wasn't a different
personality implanted by Unicron but like in RiD and Armada, simply an
amped-up version of Megatron with a different name. Hence the past
events occurring in Megatron's lifespan directly impacted on Emperor
Nutbucket.

One thing that's apparent in Season Two is that Megatron is a pretty
frustrated character. He's got a galaxy-sized ego and regards being
the ruler of the universe as his ultimate destiny. Unfortunately the
Autobots keep getting in his darned way, their resistance putting him
under more and more pressure and increasing mental stress.

After a very long, hard period of grinding down Autobot resistance on
Cybertron, Megs finds himself on Earth where, tactically speaking, the
tables are very distinctly turned and all the hard work he'd put in
before is nullified. Thanks to being the good guys, the Autobots get
somewhat easier access to energon from humanity while the Cons are
always on the run. This is because the Autobots, despite individually
being weaker fighters than the Decepticons, can spare the energy to
bring superior numbers to each battle. Presumably after the events of
"More Than Meets The Eye" when the Decepticons were always one step
ahead of them, they have also built up a very smooth intelligence
operation enabling them to rapidly respond whenever Decepticons are
sighted.

This is why Megatron always has to sound the retreat when battles
begin to turn against them (usually when Optimus Prime clocks him) and
why he's forced to keep Starscream around since he simply can't afford
to lose what little manpower he has, probably causing more and more
anger and stress to build up inside of him. You get a hint of this in
"Microbots" when a drunken Megatron rambles on about how he wished he
was back on Cybertron instead of always scurrying around on Earth.

Additionally while the Autobots can quite easily bring deactivated or
Cyberton-based Autobots to Earth thanks to their energon supplies, as
evidenced by the plethora of Season Two Autobots, Megatron would
always have to be running short since besides always being on the run,
he'd have to be regularly sending back large supplies back to Cyberton
in order for Shockwave to keep things running and maintain the
Decepticons' dominant position there (see "Desertion of the Dinobots
Pt Two"). Another factor that would put him at a distinct tactical
disadvantage is the casualties he sustained in "More Than Meets The
Eye Pt 3" where several seekers who were seen collecting energy are
never seen again.

Now in order to win the war for the disadvantaged Decepticons who lack
both energon and numbers, Megatron does what any decent cartoon
supervillain does: he concocts one fiendish plan after another.
Unfortunately when the Autobots don't mess up his plans, his own
Decepticons do so rather spectacularly. Starscream's scheming ruins
one plan after another, Skyfire turns on him, Devastator mucks things
up in "The Core", the Dinobots refuse to stay, Ramjet hits him when
he's about to disintegrate the Autobots in "AutoBeserk" (eliciting a
"I have a team of morons!" comment from Megs) and Thrust rather
spectacularly messes things up in "Megatron's Master Plan".

Since he can't rely on his troops, Megatron also tries to come up with one
superweapon after another in order to win the war in one stroke. The
reliance on superweapons brings to mind Hitler's madness when he'd
fantasise that his "war-winning weapons" would dramatically turn the
tide of battle when the Allies were at the doorstep of Berlin,
probably because of his disillusionment with his armed forces who had,
in his mind, cocked things up for him. Megatron also seems somewhat
unhinged in his thinking during episodes like "A Prime Problem", "The
Core" and "City of Steel" when instead of destroying the Autobots when
he has an easy chance to do so, he goes the extra, unnecessary step or
makes an error a four-year-old would spot (like not killing or at
least imprisoning the real Prime in A Prime Problem) and blows his
opportunity.

I suppose the most dramatic example of showing how a
reliance on superweapons has had an unhinging effect on Megatron was
in the Season Three episode "The Ultimate Weapon" when Galvatron tried
scaring Rodimus Prime by waving a TV remote at him and shouting
loudly. Earlier signs of madness can be seen in epsiodes like
"Changing Gears" and "Dinobot Island" where despite good evidence that
his energon-gathering would destroy the Earth and him along with it,
he refuses to listen to reason.

Megatron would have also been under immense pressure from being leader
of the Decepticons. He'd trained and molded them into a devastating,
ruthless force that could be terrifying in battle but in doing so he
would have to constantly be on the lookout for challenges to his
authority and assassination attempts from those who openly said they
could do a better job like Starscream to those like Soundwave and
Shockwave who were silent rivals. This could not have been conducive
to a stress-free life. Additionally changing tack as a leader and
trying a more cooperative approach (perhaps hinted at in "Desertion of
the Dinobots pt 1" where at the research station, Megatron promise to
not harm the humans if they cooperate earns derision from Starscream)
would have been seen as unforgivable weakness by the rest of the
Decepticons thus keeping them trapped in a role of raiders and pirates
instead of empire-builders.

The above are what I would call contributing factors to Galvatron's
eventual mental state but emphasis also has to be put on the events
depicted in the movie. There Megatron is on the cusp of ultimate
victory. He's master of a rejuvenated Cybertron, has devastated the
Autobots' principal base on Earth and has very nearly killed his
eternal enemy, Optimus Prime. Then with one blow, it's all undone. His
army of Deceptions who he's led for millennia show how well they've
learned his lessons about showing contempt to the weak by throwing him
into deep space like a sack of garbage.

Even his most seemingly loyal lieutenant Soundwave turns his back on him. If this isn't bad enough, the one to do the deed is the incompetent buffoon Starscream who gladly takes advantage of all the damage Optimus Prime has inflicted. Megatron then does the one thing which probably causes him the most pain in the years ahead. He sells out his independence and dignity in
order to survive and become a lackey and slave to an entity that later
tries to destroy Cybertron and wipes out most of the Decepticons
there, again demolishing everything Megatron has ever worked for. Then
while his Decepticons are being slaughtered and his planet ravaged,
Galvatron is forced to attack Hot Rod but ends up getting his ass
kicked by the Transformer equivalent of a teenager.

I think all of the above stresses and strains finally broke out and
scrambled Galvatron's brain while the plasma fried his circuitry. In
his mind his army had failed him again and again which is why he kept
himself very firmly apart from all the other Decepticons and made no
secret of his contempt for them. He pretty much cut off all ties with
Soundwave who was always at his side previously but had revealed his
true colours by voting for Megatron to be jettisoned off Astrotrain.
The few Decepticons he personally commanded were the other reformatted
Decepticons who were programmed to be loyal to him, but even their
presence must have pissed him off since they were an eternal reminder
of how he'd sold out to Unicron.

The Autobots were now masters of both
Cybertron and Earth with the Decepticons forced into eking out an
existence on Charr which probably pissed Galvatron off hugely and made
him constantly put on airs like sitting on a throne when not on a
mission. There was probably also the utter frustration of seeing the
Autobots led by the neophyte who'd thrashed him and the knowledge that
if he had his mental faculties back, he could easily outthink the
inexperienced Rodimus Prime.

However I think the madness was temporary and while Galvatron was not
back to his old self, he was a much better commander in "Rebirth" than
he'd been in Season Three. Either Vector Sigma cured him before
"Rebirth" or the events in "Return of Optimus Prime" when most of the
Decepticon Army was trying to kill him along with the implied major
defeat mentioned in the early scenes of "Rebirth", convinced him he
had to exercise more control over himself if the Decepticons were to
be a force especially since Optimus Prime was back in charge again.

sir_snikt'alot
05-17-2005, 10:06 AM
hmm,good insight. more interesting than 'he fell in lava'.


they totaly screwed up galvatron after the movie,why did they make him a deranged comedy act?

and if galvi kept his megatron personality,why didnt scourge remain skywarp and cyclonus thundercracker?

SMKSPY
05-17-2005, 10:20 AM
I love transformers just as much as the next botfan, but you have got to have alot of time on your hands to be able to write that thing up. It was interesting however. :)

sir_snikt'alot
05-17-2005, 10:29 AM
I love transformers just as much as the next botfan, but you have got to have alot of time on your hands to be able to write that thing up. It was interesting however. :)

its called an essay,its what people do to analys things they find interesting.

SMKSPY
05-17-2005, 10:36 AM
its called an essay,its what people do to analys things they find interesting.

uh yeah I know...I was just kidding. Lighten up you'd think I'd just spit in the guys face or something. I said I liked it.

However, trying to write an essay about a cartoon with absolutely NO plot beyond the currently airing episode or 3-parter is streching it a bit.

Arune Singh
05-17-2005, 11:09 AM
But how does it all explain Galvatron's truce in "The Return of Optimus Prime Part2"? That was just... odd.

I always thought Megatron could win. I never thought Galvatron had a change. Stealing Metroplex's cog... pssh. Amateur.

sir_snikt'alot
05-17-2005, 11:13 AM
uh yeah I know...I was just kidding. Lighten up you'd think I'd just spit in the guys face or something. I said I liked it.

However, trying to write an essay about a cartoon with absolutely NO plot beyond the currently airing episode or 3-parter is streching it a bit.

no plot other than a whole race of transforming robots from another planet imbrawled in a fight thats lasted centurys,a fight between good and evil,with rounded characters you can get to know,like or hate,and one of the best sci-fi cartoons ever made?

sir_snikt'alot
05-17-2005, 11:15 AM
But how does it all explain Galvatron's truce in "The Return of Optimus Prime Part2"? That was just... odd.

I always thought Megatron could win. I never thought Galvatron had a change. Stealing Metroplex's cog... pssh. Amateur.

galvi didnt have a choice,he was getting shot at by scourge,cyclonus and predaking!.....predaking!

cactusmaac
05-17-2005, 12:47 PM
hmm,good insight. more interesting than 'he fell in lava'.


they totaly screwed up galvatron after the movie,why did they make him a deranged comedy act?

and if galvi kept his megatron personality,why didnt scourge remain skywarp and cyclonus thundercracker?

Skywarp and Thundercracker were already dead when they reached Unicron thus they had no prior personalities.

cactusmaac
05-17-2005, 12:48 PM
But how does it all explain Galvatron's truce in "The Return of Optimus Prime Part2"? That was just... odd.

I always thought Megatron could win. I never thought Galvatron had a change. Stealing Metroplex's cog... pssh. Amateur.

Everyone was trying to kill him.

cactusmaac
05-17-2005, 12:49 PM
uh yeah I know...I was just kidding. Lighten up you'd think I'd just spit in the guys face or something. I said I liked it.

However, trying to write an essay about a cartoon with absolutely NO plot beyond the currently airing episode or 3-parter is streching it a bit.

Infidel!!!!





;)

sir_snikt'alot
05-17-2005, 01:00 PM
Infidel!!!!





;)

pure heresy.

DDM
05-17-2005, 01:07 PM
and if galvi kept his megatron personality,why didnt scourge remain skywarp and cyclonus thundercracker?

Unicron is very specific about his "gifts." He would give Megatron a new body with new troups to command; therefore, Unicron remakes Megatron into Galvatron, a more powerful version of Megatron. However, Galvatron is still Megatron, but in a new, different body. Unicron then recreates the damaged & dead Decepticons (Thundercracker, Skywarp) & the Insecticons (Shrapnel, Bombshell, Kickback) into Cyclonus, Scourge & the Sweeps.

Since the Insecticons existed after the movie, the dead Insecticons must have been clones that eventually gained sentience after a period of time.

sir_snikt'alot
05-17-2005, 01:16 PM
Unicron is very specific about his "gifts." He would give Megatron a new body with new troups to command; therefore, Unicron remakes Megatron into Galvatron, a more powerful version of Megatron. However, Galvatron is still Megatron, but in a new, different body. Unicron then recreates the damaged & dead Decepticons (Thundercracker, Skywarp) & the Insecticons (Shrapnel, Bombshell, Kickback) into Cyclonus, Scourge & the Sweeps.

Since the Insecticons existed after the movie, the dead Insecticons must have been clones that eventually gained sentience after a period of time.

im guessing the insecticons were used merely for armour and scrap,while sky warp and thundercracker were the basis of scourge and cyclonus,only with new identitys,personalitys and abit bulkier.

SMKSPY
05-17-2005, 01:26 PM
I'm going to have to disagree. Based on all the episodes during season 3, I think that Unicron created an entirely new Galvatron. He was Megatron, but his memories of being Megatron were more like a distant life. He knew of the memories, but they did not dictate what he would do in any situation.

sorry to infidel guys. lol. I am a withdrawing Transfan. If it weren't for Alternators then I'd be gone. :(

DDM
05-17-2005, 02:42 PM
I'm going to have to disagree. Based on all the episodes during season 3, I think that Unicron created an entirely new Galvatron. He was Megatron, but his memories of being Megatron were more like a distant life. He knew of the memories, but they did not dictate what he would do in any situation.

sorry to infidel guys. lol. I am a withdrawing Transfan. If it weren't for Alternators then I'd be gone. :(

Galvatron: Coronation Starscream? This is bad comedy.
Starscream: Megatron? Is that you???
Galvatron: Here's a hint. [Galvatron transforms into an energy cannon; an energy beam bathes Starscream as he literally turns to ashes.]
Does anyone else want to attempt to fill his shoes?

In the movie, Galvatron was Megatron. Otherwise, Galvatron would not had bothered killing Starscream.

SMKSPY
05-17-2005, 03:40 PM
Galvatron: Coronation Starscream? This is bad comedy.
Starscream: Megatron? Is that you???
Galvatron: Here's a hint. [Galvatron transforms into an energy cannon; an energy beam bathes Starscream as he literally turns to ashes.]
Does anyone else want to attempt to fill his shoes?

In the movie, Galvatron was Megatron. Otherwise, Galvatron would not had bothered killing Starscream.

I'm not saying that Galvatron isn't Megatron. I'm saying that Galvatron became a different personality than Megatron. He wasn't Megatron going crazy, but Galvatron going crazy. If you had never seen the movie, and the last season then you would have thought that the two individuals were two totally different characters.

Furthermore, I'll go further and say that Movie Galvatron and Season 3 Galvatron are totally different individuals.

Movie Galvatron had trace memories of Megatron...like he killing Starscream, and when he told Hot Rod that he would kill him like he did Prime and Magnus.

Season 3 Galvatron was a total nutcase. A quality that he did not possess in the movie. The comic did a great job of explaining his lunacy through Time Travel. The tv show, we were suppost to just accept that Galvatron had gone crazy.

cactusmaac
05-17-2005, 03:41 PM
And in Return of Optimus Prime, Optimus says he knows Galvatron too well to trust him.

Not to mention in every other TF continuity, Megatron's started calling himself Galvatron after a body upgrade.

SMKSPY
05-17-2005, 03:43 PM
And in Return of Optimus Prime, Optimus says he knows Galvatron too well to trust him.

Not to mention in every other TF continuity, Megatron's started calling himself Galvatron after a body upgrade.

Prime knows Galvatron's type. He would have said the same thing about any other Decepticon Leader.

Other TF continuities cannot be applied to G1 especially horrible shows like Car Robots, Armada, and Energon. Those shows were stupid, and disgraceful.

Guts/Batman
05-17-2005, 06:21 PM
Prime knows Galvatron's type. He would have said the same thing about any other Decepticon Leader.

Other TF continuities cannot be applied to G1 especially horrible shows like Car Robots, Armada, and Energon. Those shows were stupid, and disgraceful.

Robots In Disguise doesn't make your list of horrible adaptations of TF G1?

sir_snikt'alot
05-17-2005, 07:07 PM
Robots In Disguise doesn't make your list of horrible adaptations of TF G1?

god robots in disguise sucked balls. why was megatron a bat?

Gaz
05-17-2005, 07:11 PM
god robots in disguise sucked balls. why was megatron a bat?
Why, and HOW, was he a gun that was much smaller than his robot form in G1?

DDM
05-17-2005, 07:13 PM
god robots in disguise sucked balls. why was megatron a bat?

Megatron was a gun; his energy cannon turned into a silencer.

Guts/Batman
05-17-2005, 10:18 PM
Why, and HOW, was he a gun that was much smaller than his robot form in G1?


That is about the only thing that i don't get about G1 lol

sir_snikt'alot
05-18-2005, 06:03 AM
Megatron was a gun; his energy cannon turned into a silencer.

am i thinking of the right one,with prime as a fire truck,and it had a decepticon called skybite.

cause that sucked.

g1 ruled.

cactusmaac
05-18-2005, 07:42 AM
I liked it.

They gave Ultra Magnus a set of balls.

Gaz
05-18-2005, 07:55 AM
I liked it.

They gave Ultra Magnus a set of balls.
They didn't so much do that as wussify everyone else to the point that even Magnus looks cool. :p

SMKSPY
05-18-2005, 09:08 AM
Robots In Disguise doesn't make your list of horrible adaptations of TF G1?

Car Robots is the Japanese name for Robots in Disguise.

DDM
05-18-2005, 05:54 PM
am i thinking of the right one,with prime as a fire truck,and it had a decepticon called skybite.

cause that sucked.

g1 ruled.

Nope. Optimus Prime, in Generation 1, is an 18 wheeler truck. Red Alert & one of the Protectobots are fire engines.

Gaz
05-18-2005, 06:14 PM
Nope. Optimus Prime, in Generation 1, is an 18 wheeler truck. Red Alert & one of the Protectobots are fire engines.
He's talking about a later series, called Car Robots in japan and shown on Jetix as Robots In Disguise elsewhere.

Steve
05-18-2005, 06:15 PM
Nope. Optimus Prime, in Generation 1, is an 18 wheeler truck. Red Alert & one of the Protectobots are fire engines.
Actually, it was Inferno and not Red Alert that was a fire engine.