What if Anakin Skywalker was born During the time of KOTOR?

[Kamen Rider Luffy]

What would happen when he becomes a jedi knight and there is no Palpatine?

[Genma:TheDestroyer]

While there isn't a Palpatine to corrupt him, there's something even better. The Mandalorian Wars.


Even without Revan's manipulations, a good deal of Jedi turned Dark over the course of it.

[Revan]

well, ill assume he wouldnt have lost his wife and his mother etc.
unless those 2 things would happen i dont see him turning dark side, but he is still arrogant and rash, Revan might be able to play on that.

if he did turn evil, Revan would dumb Malak and have Anakin as his apprentice, having the highest midiclorians ever seen, and being trained by a old school sith, he will eventually overtake Revan in power, and his full potential as the most powerfull force user will be verified.

[Kain's_Legacy]

well, ill assume he wouldnt have lost his wife and his mother etc.
unless those 2 things would happen i dont see him turning dark side, but he is still arrogant and rash, Revan might be able to play on that.

if he did turn evil, Revan would dumb Malak and have Anakin as his apprentice, having the highest midiclorians ever seen, and being trained by a old school sith, he will eventually overtake Revan in power, and his full potential as the most powerfull force user will be verified.

This is how I see it as well.

[Genma:TheDestroyer]

Maybe, maybe not.


Even at their best, Revan, Malak, Sion and Traya wouldn't be able to beat Exar Khun. Or one of the old Sith, like Naga Sadow, Markos Ragnos, Freedon Nadd, Ajunta Pall, Ludo Kressh, Tulak Horde, etc, etc.

Under Revan's tutelage Anakin would probably become scary powerful. But the strongest?

[Kain's_Legacy]

Maybe, maybe not.


Even at their best, Revan, Malak, with a group of their ten best Sith Masters wouldn't be able to take Exar Khun. Or one of the old Sith, like Naga Sadow, Markos Ragnos, Freedon Nadd, Ajunta Pall, Ludo Kressh, Tulak Horde, etc, etc.

Under Revan's tutelage Anakin would probably become scary powerful. But the strongest?

I think someone conceived by the force has the potential to be the strongest, yes. It's a matter of learning all the dark side tricks the sith of that time had that were lost or hidden.

[Genma:TheDestroyer]

I think someone conceived by the force has the potential to be the strongest, yes. It's a matter of learning all the dark side tricks the sith of that time had that were lost or hidden.

Which would be all but impossible. Kreia, a disciple of Jedi and Sith learning for decades still hadn't scratched the surface of the teachings of the ancient Sith. She said it was mind-boggling.

And this is friggin Darth Traya!

[Kain's_Legacy]

Which would be all but impossible. Kreia, a disciple of Jedi and Sith learning for decades still hadn't scratched the surface of the teachings of the ancient Sith. She said it was mind-boggling.

And this is friggin Darth Traya!

So if it was KOTOR time, perhaps still not the strongest then, but closer. If he was privy to the right training, he has the potential to be the strongest.

[Genma:TheDestroyer]

So if it was KOTOR time, perhaps still not the strongest then, but closer. If he was privy to the right training, he has the potential to be the strongest.


That, I'll agree with.

[kane]

Which would be all but impossible. Kreia, a disciple of Jedi and Sith learning for decades still hadn't scratched the surface of the teachings of the ancient Sith. She said it was mind-boggling.

And this is friggin Darth Traya!

What are the special sith powers? A dark jedi can do all the things a jedi can and he can controll force lightning and take over minds. But he does not have to be sith to do this.

What are the other techniques and special powers only the sith posses?

[Genma:TheDestroyer]

What are the special sith powers? A dark jedi can do all the things a jedi can and he can controll force lightning and take over minds. But he does not have to be sith to do this.

What are the other techniques and special powers only the sith posses?

It wasn't just techniques, it was training and knowledge that greatly enhanced a person's ability with the Force.

[Revan]

if revan can manage to get anakin to his full potential, then he should be able to resist any force attack directed at him with ease(even from ancient sith)


and im sure revan has the knowledge and strenght to get him to near his maximum capacity.

what can the ancient sith actually do? unless they have the ability to double or triple there midiclorians i dont see how they can be that much stronger.
learning secret sith attacks wont help since they all get resisted anyways.


maybe the sith lord(forgot name) that was apperently the best lightsaber fighter who has ever lived, would only be a match for anakin, and that only in a pure lightsaber fight.

[Genma:TheDestroyer]

if revan can manage to get anakin to his full potential, then he should be able to resist any force attack directed at him with ease(even from ancient sith)


and im sure revan has the knowledge and strenght to get him to near his maximum capacity.

what can the ancient sith actually do? unless they have the ability to double or triple there midiclorians i dont see how they can be that much stronger.
learning secret sith attacks wont help since they all get resisted anyways.


maybe the sith lord(forgot name) that was apperently the best lightsaber fighter who has ever lived, would only be a match for anakin, and that only in a pure lightsaber fight.

Again, the problem is that Revan, for all that he was, is only a spark compared to some of the folks I mentioned. Compared to them, he, Sion and Malak were 'children playing with toys'.

He could make Anakin great, there's no doubt about it. But you seem to take it as a given that Anakin would be able to just ignore the efforts of folks who messed with planets and stars.

[Paladin]

What if Revan got ahold of Anakin when he was still just a baby, and therefor could give him a lifetime of training?

[Smokey]

anakin has the potential to be the strongest wielder of the force, if he managed not to get burned up he would eventually surpass even exar kun, ulic qel droma, etc.

[Revan]

anakin has the potential to be the strongest wielder of the force, if he managed not to get burned up he would eventually surpass even exar kun, ulic qel droma, etc.


correct, and being trained by someone of Lord Revan's caliber will only hasten that process.

[Smokey]

also, i dont think exar kun is miles ahead of revan like everybody seems to think, you say the ancient sith make sion revan etc. look like kids, but revan himself is much stronger than sion,traya,nihilus, the exile..

[Genma:TheDestroyer]

also, i dont think exar kun is miles ahead of revan like everybody seems to think, you say the ancient sith make sion revan etc. look like kids, but revan himself is much stronger than sion,traya,nihilus, the exile..

We've already gone over Revan/Exile, and I'm still not convinced. As for Nihilus, he had to be half-dead from hunger, have his connection to the Force partially cut, and be assaulted by the Exile, Mandalore, and his former apprentice. Even then, it was tough for them.

And I'm waiting for something that puts him in Khun's range.

[Lord Slaughter]

This is how i see it:

Revan>Jaden Korr>Marka Ragnos>Exar Kun>Vader

In case you dont know who Jaden Korr is, Play Jedi Academy for PC\Xbox.

[Revan]

they said looking at Revan is like looking at the very heart of the force, i also have my questions if Kun is THAT much stronger the Revan.

[SuperSaiyaMan12]

This is how i see it:

Revan>Jaden Korr>Marka Ragnos>Exar Kun>Vader

In case you dont know who Jaden Korr is, Play Jedi Academy for PC\Xbox.
You rank Exar Kun lower than Revan? He is one of the most powerful force users ever.

[Derek]

You rank Exar Kun lower than Revan? He is one of the most powerful force users ever.

Yeah, but how do you know if Anakin would ever become Vader if he was born way back in the time of Kotor?

Honestly, he's only Vader because Dooku took one hand and Ben Kenobi beats the living crap out of him and leaves him for dead in Episode 3.

If Anakin is born way back when Kotor events are taking place, he's never encounter Dooku and Kenobi, and most likely would have a much better master to teach him his control. We'd probably never see the need for Vader to emerge and we'd see a considerably more powerful Anakin as a result.

[SuperSaiyaMan12]

Yeah, but how do you know if Anakin would ever become Vader if he was born way back in the time of Kotor?

Honestly, he's only Vader because Dooku took one hand and Ben Kenobi beats the living crap out of him and leaves him for dead in Episode 3.

If Anakin is born way back when Kotor events are taking place, he's never encounter Dooku and Kenobi, and most likely would have a much better master to teach him his control. We'd probably never see the need for Vader to emerge and we'd see a considerably more powerful Anakin as a result.
This be an interesting idea for a fic...

[Smokey]

We've already gone over Revan/Exile, and I'm still not convinced. As for Nihilus, he had to be half-dead from hunger, have his connection to the Force partially cut, and be assaulted by the Exile, Mandalore, and his former apprentice. Even then, it was tough for them.

And I'm waiting for something that puts him in Khun's range.

do you actually know any major kun feats? if so please name them

even before nihilus had his force connection messed up by visas my character was doing little but some damage to him, with medpacs i would of eventually beaten him either way..

[Smokey]

This is how i see it:

Revan>Jaden Korr>Marka Ragnos>Exar Kun>Vader

In case you dont know who Jaden Korr is, Play Jedi Academy for PC\Xbox.

iirc jaden is from jedi academy, sorry..never outpowers even vader or ragnos or revan or kun..yeah you might say the last boss is ragnos, but he had possessed someone and wasnt at full power

[SuperSaiyaMan12]

do you actually know any major kun feats? if so please name them

even before nihilus had his force connection messed up by visas my character was doing little but some damage to him, with medpacs i would of eventually beaten him either way..
He did survive for 4000 years just by using the Force.

[Smokey]

He did survive for 4000 years just by using the Force.

what sith lords have died from old age tho? most of them are killed off, this just says he was the strongest for a time period

[Draconomicon]

iirc jaden is from jedi academy, sorry..never outpowers even vader or ragnos or revan or kun..yeah you might say the last boss is ragnos, but he had possessed someone and wasnt at full power
I dont know. Jaden was on his way to great powers.
Darkside he beat Kyle Katarn who was enhanced by the secret jedi site and later the possessed Sith lady who must have been (at least) slightly more powerful than the usual sith guy around (not on the level of a Lord tho, imho).

[Draconomicon]

do you actually know any major kun feats? if so please name them

even before nihilus had his force connection messed up by visas my character was doing little but some damage to him, with medpacs i would of eventually beaten him either way..
IIRC storylinewise you only defeated him because of visas.

[Genma:TheDestroyer]

even before nihilus had his force connection messed up by visas my character was doing little but some damage to him, with medpacs i would of eventually beaten him either way..

Which is gameplay. Story-wise, apparently the battle wasn't going anywhere near as well. Even with him half-dead due to hunger, they still couldn't make much headway against him.

[Genma:TheDestroyer]

Force-ghosts grow steadily weaker over time, Ajunta Pall is a good example.


By the time Revan had found him (thousands of years after his death), he'd become a pale shade of his former self.


And Ragnos' ghost was found 4,000 years after that, so he'd have had even more time to weaken.

[Eagle299]

Force-ghosts grow steadily weaker over time, Ajunta Pall is a good example.


By the time Revan had found him (thousands of years after his death), he'd become a pale shade of his former self.


And Ragnos' ghost was found 4,000 years after that, so he'd have had even more time to weaken.

I'm not so sure of that. THe reason for it being Obi-wan's statement in ANH, "You can't win, Darth. Strike me down, and I shall become more powerful than you can imagine."

[Eagle299]

Which would be all but impossible. Kreia, a disciple of Jedi and Sith learning for decades still hadn't scratched the surface of the teachings of the ancient Sith. She said it was mind-boggling.

And this is friggin Darth Traya!

Darth Traya is a joke of a Sith Lord. Every other major player in KOTOR was her superior, Bastila, Revan, Malak, Sion, Nihilus, the Exile. And she was no where near the Master manipulator she pretended to be. Hell, she didn't even have a plan. If she really wanted to destroy the Force, she should have forwarded the locations of the Jedi Masters to Nihilus right after T3-M4 showed it off.

She was a pathic villain. And it was poor writing that she, not Nihilus, was the final boss. After all, we saw him toss her aside like a rag doll, as soon as he no longer felt like putting up with her, in the middle of her academy, where she should have been strongest.

So Kreia being stumped by something is not exactly proof positive that those Sith Lords were as great as she thinks.

[Genma:TheDestroyer]

I'm not so sure of that. THe reason for it being Obi-wan's statement in ANH, "You can't win, Darth. Strike me down, and I shall become more powerful than you can imagine."

Seemed to me he meant it in more of an inspirational sense. Like his memory driving Luke forward, encouraging him to improve himself.

Or giving him the option to be with Luke wherever he went, no matter the situation.

[Eagle299]

Which is gameplay. Story-wise, apparently the battle wasn't going anywhere near as well. Even with him half-dead due to hunger, they still couldn't make much headway against him.

There another factor. When the Exile first showed up, Nihilus tried to Life Drain, but was hurt by it. Apparently, since they were both wounds in the Force, the Exile was Nihilus' natural kryptonite.

My rating for the major players in KOTOR goes;

Nihilus>(Exile/Revan*)>Malak>Sion>Bastila>Kreia>>>>>>Movie Sith.

*I'm not really sure which of those 2 is stronger, I see arguements both ways. But both are clearly above all the rest, save Nihilus.

[Draconomicon]

I'm not so sure of that. THe reason for it being Obi-wan's statement in ANH, "You can't win, Darth. Strike me down, and I shall become more powerful than you can imagine."

There is a difference. Obi-Wan became one with the Force.
Dark siders usualy do not become one with the Force since the Darkside is destructive, not preserving. Each and every of the Sith Lords who ended up as Ghosts wanted to return to flesh (Freedon Nadd, Marka Ragnos, etc) because they lost power with time. The Dark side is easiest to learn, but its not in its nature to preserve.

[Draconomicon]

Darth Traya is a joke of a Sith Lord. Every other major player in KOTOR was her superior, Bastila, Revan, Malak, Sion, Nihilus, the Exile. And she was no where near the Master manipulator she pretended to be. Hell, she didn't even have a plan. If she really wanted to destroy the Force, she should have forwarded the locations of the Jedi Masters to Nihilus right after T3-M4 showed it off.

Well, dont forget that she was stripped off her powers until she made contact with the exile. You saw in a flashback how Sion and Nihilus took her down. Only through the exile she regained her force powers.

She didnt use Nihilus, because she was full of contempt and considered him Pathethic. He was unable to control the "wound" he was unlike the exile who could have used his control over this state to do precise strikes. Nihilus was like an "animal". The hunger was all he was anymore. Traya desired the end of the Force, not the end of all life, which usualy happened whenever Nihilus drained someone.

She was a pathic villain. And it was poor writing that she, not Nihilus, was the final boss. After all, we saw him toss her aside like a rag doll, as soon as he no longer felt like putting up with her, in the middle of her academy, where she should have been strongest.

I agree that Nihilus would have made a better final boss and I was dissapointed how he seemed to have just been "put in to have him in there". Same with Sion, who should have taken a more active role.

So Kreia being stumped by something is not exactly proof positive that those Sith Lords were as great as she thinks.

I think you sell her short here. While she wasnt as powerful as some of the others, she was smart, she had knowledge and she seemed to have had access to the secret wisdom of the sith, hidden on malachor V. She always teases you with stuff she seems to know about.

[Draconomicon]

There another factor. When the Exile first showed up, Nihilus tried to Life Drain, but was hurt by it. Apparently, since they were both wounds in the Force, the Exile was Nihilus' natural kryptonite.

My rating for the major players in KOTOR goes;

Nihilus>(Exile/Revan*)>Malak>Sion>Bastila>Kreia>>>>>>Movie Sith.

*I'm not really sure which of those 2 is stronger, I see arguements both ways. But both are clearly above all the rest, save Nihilus.

Is that Malak with Starforge?
I'd say Sion is above Starforgeless Malak.

[Smokey]

I dont know. Jaden was on his way to great powers.
Darkside he beat Kyle Katarn who was enhanced by the secret jedi site and later the possessed Sith lady who must have been (at least) slightly more powerful than the usual sith guy around (not on the level of a Lord tho, imho).


he beat kyle katarn but that wasnt an easy battle, and kyle pales im comparison to luke..

[Smokey]

There another factor. When the Exile first showed up, Nihilus tried to Life Drain, but was hurt by it. Apparently, since they were both wounds in the Force, the Exile was Nihilus' natural kryptonite.

My rating for the major players in KOTOR goes;

Nihilus>(Exile/Revan*)>Malak>Sion>Bastila>Kreia>>>>>>Movie Sith.

*I'm not really sure which of those 2 is stronger, I see arguements both ways. But both are clearly above all the rest, save Nihilus.


i still think eventually even without visas the exile would of beaten nihilus, yeah its in the storyline that visas had to help, but so? people cite revan being so powerful from him mowing down sith apprentices and lords etc. with ease, yet this happens during the gameplay

the exile was doing some damage to nihilus..so it can be assumed he would of eventually defeated him it would of just taken a long time but remember they were pressed for time and had to get out quickly so the bombs aboard the ship could be detonated

i dont think nihilus is stronger than revan..nihilus has to gain power by life draining people through the force, revan..does not, the exile..does not

edit: also, if you remember back to the actual nihilus fight..is he really weakened? for me, after visas did her thing (usually made her kill herself cuz she annoyed me) nihilus was stunned oh for about 3 seconds, and after it wore off i wasnt doing any more damage than i was before she did it, she gave me a 3 second window in which nothing really got done

[Genma:TheDestroyer]

i still think eventually even without visas the exile would of beaten nihilus, yeah its in the storyline that visas had to help, but so? people cite revan being so powerful from him mowing down sith apprentices and lords etc. with ease, yet this happens during the gameplay

the exile was doing some damage to nihilus..so it can be assumed he would of eventually defeated him it would of just taken a long time but remember they were pressed for time and had to get out quickly so the bombs aboard the ship could be detonated

i dont think nihilus is stronger than revan..nihilus has to gain power by life draining people through the force, revan..does not, the exile..does not

edit: also, if you remember back to the actual nihilus fight..is he really weakened? for me, after visas did her thing (usually made her kill herself cuz she annoyed me) nihilus was stunned oh for about 3 seconds, and after it wore off i wasnt doing any more damage than i was before she did it, she gave me a 3 second window in which nothing really got done

Both Revan and Exile mowing down Sith isn't just gameplay, it's also storyline. Remember, there are cut-scenes in both Trayus Academy and the Star Forge where Sith appear to get beat down.

The Exile was doing some damage in *gameplay*. Storyline-wise, Visas flat out states they're not getting much of anywhere. And even after the 'stun' wears off, it is understood Visas has used her connection with her master to blind him from a bit of the Force.

So Nihilus was weakened by A) Hunger B) The drain he tried on the Exile (which only failed because the Exile was also a wound) C) Because Visas took away some of his connection to the Force.

Also, *Galactus* drains the life-force of planets. Silver Surfer... doesn't. You going to tell me that makes him weaker than Silver Surfer for it?

[Eagle299]

Is that Malak with Starforge?
I'd say Sion is above Starforgeless Malak.

I wouldn't. Sion had no real feats of power, other than his rather impressive regen. He was mainly just a brute. Malak had power feats like holding Bastila in place while fighting Revan and using the Star Forge.

I do think Sion would eventually win a fight against Malak. Mainly because he'd just keep getting back up, and Malak will get tired.

[Eagle299]

Well, dont forget that she was stripped off her powers until she made contact with the exile. You saw in a flashback how Sion and Nihilus took her down. Only through the exile she regained her force powers.

She didnt use Nihilus, because she was full of contempt and considered him Pathethic. He was unable to control the "wound" he was unlike the exile who could have used his control over this state to do precise strikes. Nihilus was like an "animal". The hunger was all he was anymore. Traya desired the end of the Force, not the end of all life, which usualy happened whenever Nihilus drained someone.

To end the Force would end all life in the Star Wars Universe. All life is connected to it whether one if Force Senstive or not. That probably the biggest thing I dispised about Kreia. She was a bitter old woman who essentually hated that fact that one needs to breath to live.

I agree that Nihilus would have made a better final boss and I was dissapointed how he seemed to have just been "put in to have him in there". Same with Sion, who should have taken a more active role.

Sion would have been a much better villain if he hadn't turned into Darth Mama's Boy at the end. He betrayed Kreia and beat the crap out of her. That is the life goal of a Sith, to surpass one's Master. He should not have been whining about wanting her to take him back.

I think you sell her short here. While she wasnt as powerful as some of the others, she was smart, she had knowledge and she seemed to have had access to the secret wisdom of the sith, hidden on malachor V. She always teases you with stuff she seems to know about.

She wasn't as smart as she thought she was. I lost all respect for her 'wisdom', when she started ranting about how saving people from immenant, bloody, violent death and giving medicine to the sick some how weakened them.

She was knowledgable in the use of the Force, but given how much she claimed to hate it, teaching people to use it should not have been on her To Do List.

Oh how I hated her. I never would have used her if not for her Mentor power giving me more experience. The only thing satisfying about the end of that game was getting to chop Kreia into Fish Bate.

[Smokey]

Both Revan and Exile mowing down Sith isn't just gameplay, it's also storyline. Remember, there are cut-scenes in both Trayus Academy and the Star Forge where Sith appear to get beat down.

The Exile was doing some damage in *gameplay*. Storyline-wise, Visas flat out states they're not getting much of anywhere. And even after the 'stun' wears off, it is understood Visas has used her connection with her master to blind him from a bit of the Force.

So Nihilus was weakened by A) Hunger B) The drain he tried on the Exile (which only failed because the Exile was also a wound) C) Because Visas took away some of his connection to the Force.

Also, *Galactus* drains the life-force of planets. Silver Surfer... doesn't. You going to tell me that makes him weaker than Silver Surfer for it?

first of all, we never ever ever see revan in particular mowing down ANYONE, nor the exile

galactus is stronger than silver surfer as long as he feeds, the nature of galactus is he is uber but is power doesnt last for long anymore, he needs to steal energy to gain his power back, so technically if he never did SS would outpower him

also, how do we know the drain hurt nihilus? ive played through the game several times and never see this stated so it must just be an assumption

im still not convinced the exile wouldnt of taken down nihilus..a lot of the time the game takes over for something you yourself could do

one example is in kotor 1 when you first fight malak, i always own him yet in the end the cutscene shows otherwise because it has to fit into the storyline, technically however the exile could of won either way

[Draconomicon]

I wouldn't. Sion had no real feats of power, other than his rather impressive regen. He was mainly just a brute. Malak had power feats like holding Bastila in place while fighting Revan and using the Star Forge.

*scratches head*
Did you play it on the X-Box? In the PC version Bastilla stays back to use her Battle meditation either to help the Republic or the Sith (depending on your alignment) while you confront Malak alone.

I dont even remember if Malak had used any Force powers beside his saber... and I nearly wiped Malak in the fight on the Starship. Sion on the other hand was pretty much the SAME PLUS the insane Regen. Only Malak with StarForge was more powerful.

I do think Sion would eventually win a fight against Malak. Mainly because he'd just keep getting back up, and Malak will get tired.

Its brute force vs. brute force with ressurection.

[Draconomicon]

To end the Force would end all life in the Star Wars Universe. All life is connected to it whether one if Force Senstive or not. That probably the biggest thing I dispised about Kreia. She was a bitter old woman who essentually hated that fact that one needs to breath to live.

No, not really.
Think about the Ysamaliri (sp?). They live without the Force. (The Vuuzon too, or not?). People can enter the anti-force field of them and still live. The force isnt necessary for life to exist.

Personally, I feel she hated the fact that everyone was so damn dependant on the force and misused it. Be it the Jedi (who transform everyone into living robots) or the Sith (who totally burn themselves up in needless violence).

Sion would have been a much better villain if he hadn't turned into Darth Mama's Boy at the end. He betrayed Kreia and beat the crap out of her. That is the life goal of a Sith, to surpass one's Master. He should not have been whining about wanting her to take him back.

I agree. It was a bit strange how he first did "unspeakable things" to her, just to drop down and wanting to be her apprentice again as she returns. I guess, inside, he was just pathetic.

She wasn't as smart as she thought she was. I lost all respect for her 'wisdom', when she started ranting about how saving people from immenant, bloody, violent death and giving medicine to the sick some how weakened them.

Well, she preached about the "Survival of the fittest". Only through mastering the problems you encounter, you can grow stronger. Its like the old saying "What doesnt kill you, makes you stronger". I actually don't think she *likes* to see people hurt and killed. She just regards it as the natural way of things.

She was knowledgable in the use of the Force, but given how much she claimed to hate it, teaching people to use it should not have been on her To Do List.

Didnt she tho only teach it to the exile after she took on the anti-force philosophy? And she needed the Exile for what she planned.

Oh how I hated her. I never would have used her if not for her Mentor power giving me more experience. The only thing satisfying about the end of that game was getting to chop Kreia into Fish Bate.

I would have been fine with her as the second to last boss, fighting you to strengthen you as you then go to fight Nihilus.

[Eagle299]

*scratches head*
Did you play it on the X-Box? In the PC version Bastilla stays back to use her Battle meditation either to help the Republic or the Sith (depending on your alignment) while you confront Malak alone.

I dont even remember if Malak had used any Force powers beside his saber... and I nearly wiped Malak in the fight on the Starship. Sion on the other hand was pretty much the SAME PLUS the insane Regen. Only Malak with StarForge was more powerful.

I meant on the Leviathan. He used Stun on Bastila and Carth, while fighting Revan.

Its brute force vs. brute force with ressurection.