A new fantastic four team

[o1pickleboy]

The Fantastic Four are trapped in the negative zone forever. Now created a new Fastastic Four team to take their place.

[hbkabdul]

Would the new team have to have the same dynamic as the old team? or just be replacements for the different character archetypes that have been established by each team member? or just whatever the hell i feel like putting together?

[Michael P]

http://www.comics.org/graphics/covers/1482/200/1482_2_0348.jpg

It's been done.

[Aaron King]

So do it again. Geeze, way to be a buzzkill. I think Medusa, Crystal, Quicksilver, and, for whatever, Hank Pym, would make a good four-issue Peter David-written run. Medusa used to sort of belong, she drags Crystal in, Pietro wants to be with Crystal, and they all approach Pym for scientific whatsits on how to get the real four out of the N-Zone. And Lockjaw's there, too.

[Atom_basher]

I voted for beast, he could take on Reed's role to some degree

[Rich L]

Crystal. Too much history not to be on the team. In fact, throw in She-Hulk, Medusa and Luke Cage and you've got your Legion of Substitute Fantasticers right there!

[Brian R]

I think I would go with:

Hank Pym
Wasp
She-Hulk
Iceman


That way, you still have the Genius in charge, who is married to another member of the team. I would just revert their powers so that Wasp can not grow and Hank cannot shrink, that way their powers dont overalp, they can just blame it on those pesky Pym particles going crazy again. You have a real brick with She-Hulk, she has taken Ben's place in the past, so she is a natural. Then you need a cocky younger guy who can make jokes, hit on Jen, and just be a general showoff, and I think Bobby fits that nicely. You retain some of the feel of the original, but with vastly different powers and varied personalities. I like it. :)

[Reptisaurus!]

The Hulk, halfway between Professor Hulk and Mister Fixit

Wyatt Wingfoot, aided and abetted by a bunch of souped up Reed-tech.

Tonaja (The Flyer) of the Inhumans.

and Iceman.

Nominally Earth, Fire, Air and Water.

Edit: Which means stickin' Wyatt with a kind of fiery energy weapon thing, but that shouldn't be too hard.

[Jake V]

Honestly, if the FF got trapped in the negative zone forever, I'd prefer that the name "fantastic four" got retired forever. The Fantastic Four isn't a club that has Reed, Sue, Johnny and Ben as members, but the name the four of them go under when they're all together.

But in the spirit of the thread, I'd go with a hypothetical membership of She-Hulk, Namor, Hank Pym, and Beast.

The Fantastic Four will always be Mr. Fantastic, the Invisible Woman, the Human Torch, and the Thing. No matter what.

[Kevinroc]

http://www.comics.org/graphics/covers/1482/200/1482_2_0348.jpg

It's been done.

Don't give Marvel any ideas to put that team back together. ;)

[o1pickleboy]

Would the new team have to have the same dynamic as the old team? or just be replacements for the different character archetypes that have been established by each team member? or just whatever the hell i feel like putting together?


I guess the sky is the limit. The only guideline I could give keep it in the spirit of the team. Whatever that means to you.

[Ant-Man]

Gotta have She-Hulk, she was a member in the past. I like the idea of Henry Pym being the team scientist in Reed's place. He could rebuild the Vision for the 3rd member, and a "non-crazy" Scarlet witch could be #4.

[Arrjay]

I'd like to see She-Hulk with Namor and Giant Man led by Hank McCoy.

[Dr. Hfuhruhurr]

I'd do a story of a new team sent to rescue the originals from the Negative Zone or wherever who encounter a strange yet familiar cosmic radiation that gives them all super-powers (different than the originals). The purpose of the team would be primarily to rescue the original FF, but the Negative Zone is vast enough and has enough classic FF foes to make it a long and harrowing journey.

[o1pickleboy]

Currently the team would be base on the vote given

She-Hulk
Namor
Beast
Henry Pym

Would this team work for ya out there

[Artemis1]

Giant Man
Quicksilver
Sub Mariner
Ghost Rider

[tangentman]

Elemental 4:

Earth: She-Hulk
Air: Storm
Fire: Firestar
Water: Submariner

Archetypal FF:

Thinker/Brains: Yellowjacket
Brawler/Muscle: She-Hulk (prior FF connection)
Support/Heart: Firebird
Hotshot/Spirit: Speedball

[Frank]

Currently the team would be base on the vote given

She-Hulk
Namor
Beast
Henry Pym



I like this team! Now that I think about it, add Hawkeye and replace Namor by Wonderman and...

My New FF:

FF have been fighting Gods for years now the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse have come to stop Galactus in the form of
Silver Surfer
Namor
Black Bolt
Dr. Doom

[Herald of Galactus Number 420]

This would be the team

Forge
Fire Lord
Franklin Richards
Feral

[AlanScott606]

Beast: Leader
She Hulk
Firestar
Crystal

[Alan2099]

Actually I wouldn't mind a real New Fantastic Four limited series where they put Spidey, Hulk, Ghostrider, and Wolverine against the major players in the FF's rogue's gallery.

Seeing them fighting Doom, Galactus, Diablo, The Super Skrull, and the rest could be quite intresting if they get the right writer.

[ChildOfTheDarkholde]

She-hulk
Living Lightning
Firebird
Kyamera

[Bordnlazy]

actually there isn't any reason to believe that Reed Richards doesn't already have four replacements in mind in case anything happened to all four of them. So the question isn't who would replace them, but who would richards pick to replace them? BTW i picked She-hulk! :D

[o1pickleboy]

actually there isn't any reason to believe that Reed Richards doesn't already have four replacements in mind in case anything happened to all four of them. So the question isn't who would replace them, but who would richards pick to replace them? BTW i picked She-hulk! :D


I agree with this 100%. Reed would definity have a replacement team lined up. I believe She-Hulk would be one of his choices. Being the longest to serve the team outside the orginals

[twilight]

Actually I wouldn't mind a real New Fantastic Four limited series where they put Spidey, Hulk, Ghostrider, and Wolverine against the major players in the FF's rogue's gallery.

I like this idea.

Spidey,Wolverine,Hulk and GR against an army of Doom-bots would make a fantastic visual.

[handOFfate]

I always thought it would make sense that Reed would have a replacement team in mind (sort of like what Vision had with the Avengers) in case something happened to the originals. He would probably choose...

She-Hulk- Obvious.
Spider-Man- Has a long history with the FF and is the Torch's best friend.
Crystal- Again, very close to the team.
The last member is kind of hard. Spidey, to some degree, can cover the scientist part, and they have enough strength. I would nominate Namor, Hank Pym, and even Dr.Strange as the potential fourth.

[Economist]

There was a What If with the New FF. I thought it was pretty good. They end up fighting a new Frightful Four. Of course, Doom wasn't very happy that he didn't kill Reed.

I think it was 83.

[tricksterpup]

Missing the entire concept of the Fantastic Four.. They are a family, not a group of heroes getting together to fight wrong doings. If I was the writer, i would just continue their adventures where ever they are at.

[o1pickleboy]

Poll update

She- Hulk in the lead

Namor at second

Beast in at third

Quicksilver holds the last slot.


So would you buy this fantastic four?

[Chou Blaster]

I would go with

Hank Pym
Wasp
She Hulk
Namor.

Why?: Waps/Hank wlel married couple and Hank has some gadgets.

She Hulk has muscles AND brains.

Namor: Know sthe Four pretty damn well. 9Hell in Alternate?What Ifs.. I tis Either Spider Man or Namor as a fifith Member.. Make smore sicne than Spider Man.)

Deep in my Heart though: If the FF are out of action for good, should not be replacements. Reed,Sue, Johnny and Ben ARE the Four.. No other way around it.

[Expletive Deleted]

So would you buy this fantastic four?It would depend on the creative team, but I tend to think those four characters would have absolutely zero chemistry.

The thing that makes the FF almost unique among superhero teams is that they are a family unit. If more than one member is swapped out, what's the point?

[o1pickleboy]

It would depend on the creative team, but I tend to think those four characters would have absolutely zero chemistry.

The thing that makes the FF almost unique among superhero teams is that they are a family unit. If more than one member is swapped out, what's the point?


Something new and different I guess.

[Expletive Deleted]

Variety is the spice of life. I adore the new and different.

I just think that what makes the FF the FF is the family element and the relationships between these four characters. Not that there are four of them and that they fill the roles of Smart Guy, Young Hothead, Powerhouse, and Girl.

Sure, you could put any four of these characters on a team. But what makes them "The FF" rather than, say, the Avengers or the Champions? What distinguishes them? What's their raison d'etre?

[o1pickleboy]

Variety is the spice of life. I adore the new and different.

I just think that what makes the FF the FF is the family element and the relationships between these four characters. Not that there are four of them and that they fill the roles of Smart Guy, Young Hothead, Powerhouse, and Girl.

Sure, you could put any four of these characters on a team. But what makes them "The FF" rather than, say, the Avengers or the Champions? What distinguishes them? What's their raison d'etre?


The 4 of their uniform :D

[Alan2099]

Variety is good, but if youn start changing all the major ingedients, you get a totally different recipe.

[protege]

So do it again. Geeze, way to be a buzzkill. I think Medusa, Crystal, Quicksilver, and, for whatever, Hank Pym, would make a good four-issue Peter David-written run. Medusa used to sort of belong, she drags Crystal in, Pietro wants to be with Crystal, and they all approach Pym for scientific whatsits on how to get the real four out of the N-Zone. And Lockjaw's there, too.
You said "Forever", but you didn't really mean it...

[protege]

Honestly, if the FF got trapped in the negative zone forever, I'd prefer that the name "fantastic four" got retired forever. The Fantastic Four isn't a club that has Reed, Sue, Johnny and Ben as members, but the name the four of them go under when they're all together.

But in the spirit of the thread, I'd go with a hypothetical membership of She-Hulk, Namor, Hank Pym, and Beast.

The Fantastic Four will always be Mr. Fantastic, the Invisible Woman, the Human Torch, and the Thing. No matter what.
Well, i think the name should be copyrighted and franchised.

[protege]

http://www.comics.org/graphics/covers/1482/200/1482_2_0348.jpg

It's been done.
Can't see it.

[Cayman]

How about:

Wonder Man - Wonder Man and Beast have a near-family dynamic. Also he can be the Thing of the group as far as bruising goes.
Beast - Science! Also his banter with Wonder Man could simulate the Torch/Thing a bit.
Ms. Marvel - Marry her off to Wonder Man. I think they'd make a great couple.
Crystal - Perhaps she comes down to take care of Franklin and Valeria and ends up get caught up in adventures. She's a bit Sue and a bit Johnny.

Cay

[o1pickleboy]

Well I looks like civil war has split the four. I can see,. The title going in two directions either with the reg or anit reg. If it stay with the reg side.

She hulk will definitly be a member.

[Haunt]

1. Black Panther
2. Storm
3. Justice
4. Firestar

[mrc1214]

She-Hulk- she was already a member so why not again
Hulk-just to have a powerhouse like Thing
Hank Pym- Hes pretty close to being as nuts as Richards but he did show some compassion for Black Goliath. But he still qualifies as the teams brilliant nutcase.
Namor- no paticular reason.

[static]

when i first saw this post i thought it was in reference to the current divide due to Civil war...

spoilers..










Sue and Johnny leave Reed because he is acting like a huge tool...they hook up with Sues long time infatuation Namor!! the thing excuses himslef from the civil war and goes out of country..he wont be on a team with Namor so Luke Cage rejoins as the resident powerhouse! he brings jessica and the baby with him (although jess isnt an acitive superhero) the team is Namor, the Invisible woman, the Human Torch and Luke Cage!!! the family aspect is intact with Sue and Johnny, Namor has always been waiting in the wings for sue so it makes sense, Luke adds more family with jess and the baby plus he is a historical memeber of the FF!!! Sue gets the kids on weekdays and Jess watches the new baby, Valeria and Franklin while the team fights some cosmic badass or goes to the negative zone!!!

Reed gets what he deserves for being a jerk ass...he is now a weekend dad and has to send child support checks to atlantis!! (and has all the week to do his dumb ass experiments)

GENIUS!!!!!!!!!!!

[Haunt]

i just don't feel like it's the Fantastic Four without Reed. he's an egomaniac but it is his team. so my idea would be for Mr. Fantastic's family to abandon him and SHIELD supplies him with "replacements." they are a bunch of newbies who are charged with aiding Reed in his explorations. in return, Reed uses that brain of his to instruct them in the use of their abilities.


1. Mr Fantastic
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/40/4_4image_big.jpg

2. Quake
http://www.stacyx.com/shieldhq/gallery/albums/Secret-War/sw0506.jpg
[cut loose by Nick Fury after being captured by SHIELD]

3. Freedom Ring
http://images.comicbookresources.com/previews/marvelcomics/marvelteamup/021/4.jpg
[reformed via a psychic link to his cosmic cube ring]

4. Ant-Man
http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/Oct06/OctPreviews/AntMan/AntMan01_02.html
[picked up by the pro-registration side somewhere along the line]


all of their colour schemes would change to red and off-white. Reed would go back to wearing blue and white to distinguish himself.

[static]

i always thought the FF was more of a family ..replacing them with shield supertypes seems like more fantastic force than fantastic four...

when i made my post i was reminded of the Furst family from Astrocity...a family but comprised of brothers, ex wives, children and inlaws...

a modern version of a family but not a nuclear one...Namor, Sue, the Thorch and Luke! with jess and the three kids at home! get sue pregnant with the new scion of atlantis and this would rock!!! Reed was always the most annoying member of the four! and now he is a complete jerkass so ditch him and get with Namor!

[Haunt]

i always thought the FF was more of a family ..replacing them with shield supertypes seems like more fantastic force than fantastic four...


that's why i used young newbies. none of the characters i mentioned have family or much experience as superheroes. that makes it almost inevitable that they'd grow close to one another. there is no replacement for Reed's family but that doesn't mean that 3 new characters couldn't grow into something similar. i also used personality types that i thought matched up with the originals. Reed is still playing the self-absorbed leader/teacher/parent. Daisy would be their "tough guy" character; always resorting to physical force before dialogue. Ant-Man is the immature slacker like Johnny. and Freedom Ring's the mellow/positive force in the group; filling Sue's position as the level-headed one with force-field powers. trust me. i think these things out.

[static]

thats like thiking that The hulk, (brute strength) Spiderman (thoughtful scientist type) Wolverine (hothead) and Ghost Rider (philispophical emotional rock) would eventually gel together into a great FF team lol

they need preformed emotional ties to connect them.its why you can be 100% different from your brother but still take a bullet for him and love him no matter what he does...hes your brother...that kind of connect CAN come in time with others but its a tie that binds in a different way...the FF werent superpowered people who grew into a family they were a family who gained superpowers.... there has to be a connection or the dynamic is lost...

[Haunt]

thats like thiking that The hulk, (brute strength) Spiderman (thoughtful scientist type) Wolverine (hothead) and Ghost Rider (philispophical emotional rock) would eventually gel together into a great FF team lol

they need preformed emotional ties to connect them.its why you can be 100% different from your brother but still take a bullet for him and love him no matter what he does...hes your brother...that kind of connect CAN come in time with others but its a tie that binds in a different way...the FF werent superpowered people who grew into a family they were a family who gained superpowers.... there has to be a connection or the dynamic is lost...


why? it didn't stop the original X-Men (complete strangers thrown together) from becoming like siblings. the point is that the characters would be thrown in with Reed during a time where he's just lost everything. they will all be kind of in the same place. it's their shared adventures that bring them together. you do this with any group of characters and they will begin to seem like a family. even the Defenders had bonds with one another. Namor viciously attacked Iron Man after finding out that he exiled Hulk to space. why? and, again, i thought this out. i'm using characters who don't have other connections and want to belong to something bigger than themselves. strand these guys in the Negative Zone and they are either going to bond or kill one another.

[static]

the xmen were never a family before they were formed ...they were 5 seperate people pooled together ...the next incarnation was another group of seperate individuals thrown together...my point is that the FF were friends and family FIRST...its the bond that existed before the powers that makes them Marvels First Family....you throw together individuals who have no history with eachother and its not the Fantastic Four!! its freaking Force Works!! The FF's overriding theme has always been there familial bond..formed well before the powers came..anything else misses the point man..

[Haunt]

the xmen were never a family before they were formed ...they were 5 seperate people pooled together ...the next incarnation was another group of seperate individuals thrown together...my point is that the FF were friends and family FIRST...its the bond that existed before the powers that makes them Marvels First Family....you throw together individuals who have no history with eachother and its not the Fantastic Four!! its freaking Force Works!! The FF's overriding theme has always been there familial bond..formed well before the powers came..anything else misses the point man..

really? what i remember is that Ben and Reed were friends. Johnny and Sue were siblings. the two were caught in a bad accident and this is what formed them into a family. would it make you feel better if i had Reed impregnate Daisy? that would make them family. i just don't see it as being necessary; an actual blood link. Ben Grimm is not related to anyone in the FF. he's just a friend of the family. Reed isn't Johnny's father. they aren't even friends. the only link is between Reed and Sue. they eventually got married. it was the cosmic storm that united them/forged the Fantastic Four. the family aspect developed over time.

P.S. what exactly does my team have in common with Force Works?

[scottv]

I think that Beast would be the best choice to take on the spot of Reed and I don't know about the rest of them.

[Haunt]

I think that Beast would be the best choice to take on the spot of Reed and I don't know about the rest of them.

McCoy isn't an explorer. he knows nothing of other dimensions or time travel. why would he be the best choice? :)

[static]

Ben and Reed were BEST FRIENDS...Sue and Johnny were brother and sister. Reed and Sue dated well before the cosmic storm and they all had a PRE EXSISTING RELATIONSHIP for YEARS prior to them becoming superpowered. with or without the cosmic storm they would have had a close relationship. would scott jean bobby and hank have known eachother if Prof X didnt assemble them together? NO would Namor DrStrange and the Hulk have known eachother if they didnt have superpowers? NO
they are a group of interconnected people who gained superpowers...
not a group of superpowered people who became interconnected...

its the huge difference that makes people think of them like a family and not just a superteam...how can you not see the difference?

[Haunt]

Ben and Reed were BEST FRIENDS...Sue and Johnny were brother and sister. Reed and Sue dated well before the cosmic storm and they all had a PRE EXSISTING RELATIONSHIP for YEARS prior to them becoming superpowered. with or without the cosmic storm they would have had a close relationship. would scott jean bobby and hank have known eachother if Prof X didnt assemble them together? NO would Namor DrStrange and the Hulk have known eachother if they didnt have superpowers? NO
they are a group of interconnected people who gained superpowers...
not a group of superpowered people who became interconnected...

its the huge difference that makes people think of them like a family and not just a superteam...how can you not see the difference?


because i see the X-Men as a family. they just aren't the "first family." why don't you see the similarity? :confused:

and how can you not see that your own idea for a new Fantastic Four doesn't match up with the rigid definition you've established?

"a modern version of a family but not a nuclear one...Namor, Sue, the Thorch and Luke! with jess and the three kids at home! get sue pregnant with the new scion of atlantis and this would rock!!! Reed was always the most annoying member of the four! and now he is a complete jerkass so ditch him and get with Namor!"

so your idea is to replace Reed with Namor and just add Luke Cage? were Luke and Namor best friends at some point? yeah, that's really going to be a "warm" bunch with Namor lip locking with Sue. no tension there.

[static]

the Xmen are a school and sanctuary...they are close and very much like a famliy but not in the way the FF have traditionally been shown.. you can call any team that has been together for a few years a "family" and have an argument but we both know its not the same dynamic as the Fantastic Four.

its the relationship BEFORE the superpowers that makes it different!!!!

[mcgaffer]

I think Spider-Man would feel honour bound to get his old buddy johnny out of the Negative Zone and if he can't he'd try to honour the FF's memory by leading the new FF.
For the emotional ties i could see She-Hulk joining Spidey to either rescue or honour the FF.
The Sandman wanting to honour Ben's life for the faith that he showed in him would reform and join the team.
Finally Nick Fury not wanting Richards tech to fall into the wrong hands would join the team.

I would have said that the Silver Surfer joins the team if it was an attempt to rescue the old FF but i don't think he'd be interested in a long term position. Also this may have been mentioned earlier in the forum (sorry my comps playing up) but where would the kids go. Its obvious that Doom or someone will want them, for their genetic potential alone if nothing else. Would the X-Men enroll them in the school and protect them or do the Avengers start babysitting duties.

[Haunt]

the Xmen are a school and sanctuary...they are close and very much like a famliy but not in the way the FF have traditionally been shown.. you can call any team that has been together for a few years a "family" and have an argument but we both know its not the same dynamic as the Fantastic Four.

its the relationship BEFORE the superpowers that makes it different!!!!

then why not just have Powerpax replace the Fantastic Four? btw, you're still putting your own lineup on the spot. none of the characters you used had a relationship before getting their powers. without their powers, they wouldn't have a relationship.

anyways, my revised lineup for a new Fantastic Four team....



1. Mr Fantastic
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/40/4_4image_big.jpg

2. Quake
http://www.stacyx.com/shieldhq/gallery/albums/Secret-War/sw0506.jpg
[her connection to Reed Richards is finally revealed; him being responsible for the device that controls her powers and being the one to diagnose her as having damaged genes. Reed would have been visiting with her routinely over the years; first out of scientific curiousity and then out of a sense of responsibility to the youth.]

3. Freedom Ring
http://images.comicbookresources.com/previews/marvelcomics/marvelteamup/021/4.jpg
[Ant-Man's gay cousin]

4. Ant-Man
http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/Oct06/OctPreviews/AntMan/AntMan01_02.html
[revealed to be Freedom Ring's straight cousin]

and (like i mentioned) because the three are brand new characters, all of that stuff could be revealed.

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otherwise, my backup team is...
1. Henry Pym Scientific Adventurer
2. Wasp
3. She-Hulk
4. Spider-man

[mattbib]

I think the family angle could be kept....but I had to pick three others who I don't think would begrudge Reed his pro-registration stance.

Mister Fantastic
Alyssa Moy (in Thing exo-suit)
Hank Pym
Wasp

[the Dagman]

Crystal. Too much history not to be on the team. In fact, throw in She-Hulk, Medusa and Luke Cage and you've got your Legion of Substitute Fantasticers right there!

I think most people on this forum are too young to know that all four of the people on your list have been members of the Fantastic Four before, although Cage was only a member for three issues (FF 168-170). These four would get my vote as well.

[o1pickleboy]

I think the family angle could be kept....but I had to pick three others who I don't think would begrudge Reed his pro-registration stance.

Mister Fantastic
Alyssa Moy (in Thing exo-suit)
Hank Pym
Wasp


Well if we are doing a civil war spin. I think Reed would be out. Marvel would more than likely stick with Sue and Johny.

My prediction would be.
Namor
Invisible Woman
Human Torch.
Crystal

Reed more than likely would then end up with the Might Avengers and Ben with the New Avengers.

[lit'l cleatus]

i voted pym, but i really really want howard the duck