View Full Version : Will Hulk Hogan ever go away?
Guts/Batman
05-10-2005, 11:47 PM
How many retirements will this guy have before hes finally gone?
Don't get me wrong, i like watching him but I think it's time for him to go. Him and Flair.
Shadow Crawler
05-10-2005, 11:50 PM
Neither one of them will go until they die. I really don't have a problem with Hogan coming back once in a while, but I do think that Flair needs to start thinking about retirement.
Steve
05-10-2005, 11:55 PM
So Michaels asking Hogan for one more match out of him was all talk right?
Scorpion13
05-10-2005, 11:56 PM
He's coming back? What the hell?
All the reports I read say that he really was out of the business for realsies this time. Im a big fan, but the guy is just too old.
But hey, at least he isnt as bad as Terry Funk.
titanfan
05-11-2005, 12:01 AM
I don't mind coming in as a manager or something but I really don't wanna see him wrestle anymore. I hate what they've done with Flair's character. I expected him to be like a Bobby Heenan when he retired, but instead he's relegated to comic relief these days.
Guts/Batman
05-11-2005, 12:03 AM
So Michaels asking Hogan for one more match out of him was all talk right?
I'm, not a big WWE fan. You'll always have a legion of Hulkamaniacs who will spend whatever the price is to watch a PPV or go to the event itself just to see Hogan and the rest is merely convenient that they getta see HHH get beat by Batista again. So i can see a justification of it. But i don't think it was the best thing to do.
WWE is almost on the verge of being unwatchable sometimes.
He might be done after this time but i doubt it. He is WWE's trump card, afterall. IMO
Guts/Batman
05-11-2005, 12:05 AM
I don't mind coming in as a manager or something but I really don't wanna see him wrestle anymore. I hate what they've done with Flair's character. I expected him to be like a Bobby Heenan when he retired, but instead he's relegated to comic relief these days.
Flair just plain looks like a nutball out there to me.
Steve
05-11-2005, 12:07 AM
Flair might want to think about wearing a bra for his matches.
Scorpion13
05-11-2005, 12:13 AM
I'm, not a big WWE fan. You'll always have a legion of Hulkamaniacs who will spend whatever the price is to watch a PPV or go to the event itself just to see Hogan and the rest is merely convenient that they getta see HHH get beat by Batista again. So i can see a justification of it. But i don't think it was the best thing to do.
WWE is almost on the verge of being unwatchable sometimes.
He might be done after this time but i doubt it. He is WWE's trump card, afterall. IMO
Youre right. Hogan is the only functioning old-school star they still have.
Macho Man is full-tilt bonkers now, and a jerk to boot. Ditto for the Ultimate Warrior.
Piper hates Vince.
Sting has no interest in returning.
Luger? Why even bother? Hes a Never-Was if there ever was one.
Royal
05-11-2005, 12:24 AM
Until Inoki quits
ohmygosh
05-11-2005, 12:45 AM
Piper hates Vince.
Sting has no interest in returning.
Piper doesn't hate Vince , not really no , not when Piper had just recently signed a merchandise contract with the WWE and will be appearing if and when the WWE needs him. He's scheduled to appear in some future RAW house shows so just maybe , he might appear on the draft or something.
As far as Sting goes , he's old and he's rusty. How old is he now ? Frankly he's past his sell by date and would be a pale shadow of the wrestler he once was if he goes to WWE .
Hogan is a icon , i have no problem with him appearing once in a blue moon. His pops in the arena will always be bigger than any current WWE superstars but there's no way in hell Hogan's body can withstand being in the WWE full term. He couldn't even do his patented legdrop now due to a leg surgery , hence why Hogan didn't do one at Backlash as they worked around that fact.
Guts/Batman
05-11-2005, 12:49 AM
Piper doesn't hate Vince , not really no , not when Piper had just recently signed a merchandise contract with the WWE and will be appearing if and when the WWE needs him.
As far as Sting goes , he's old and he's rusty. How old is he now ? Frankly he's past his sell by date and would be a pale shadow of the wrestler he once was if he goes to WWE .
Doesn't mean he doesn't hate em, however. Besides if i had to work for a guy i hated to get money, i would grit my teeth and do it.
ohmygosh
05-11-2005, 12:57 AM
Doesn't mean he doesn't hate em, however. Besides if i had to work for a guy i hated to get money, i would grit my teeth and do it.
So where did Piper say that he hates Vince but will still grovel and collect paycheck from him ? ;)
cosmicspidey
05-11-2005, 01:07 AM
I don't think Hogan ever technically retired. At least, not in the way that Mick Foley or Terry Funk or Steve Austin retired (by saying "This was my last match."). So it's not like he's coming out of retirement, he's just appearing again. As long as he doesn't become a regular again, I'm all for Hogan returning a few times a year.
StoneGold
05-11-2005, 03:10 AM
Here's the thing about Hogan. He's a great short term gimmick. Trot him out for two months once every 10 months or so. But the Hulkster ain't got legs, gimmick wise. It doesn't take long before Irish whip boot to face leg drop pose pose pose gets a little tired. Don't get me wrong, I'll mark out like everyone else that first appearance, but keep them staggered, you know? With Hogan, less is more.
The Joker
05-11-2005, 03:51 AM
I really dont mind seeing Hogan come back every once in awhile to boost WWE's PPV buys, and television ratings. God knows they need it.
Especially when you consider the times WWE has mismanaged their talent pool, WWE programming has become at times, and often, unwatchable.
IMO, Hogan has carried himself to his twilight years as a wrestler alot better, and with much more dignity than say, one Ric Flair. Flair these days is simply a joke, and really a shell of his former self. Sure, the same argument can be said about Hogan. But atleast Hogan is not put out there on WWE programming for essentially, comic relief. Nor is he constantly playing second fiddle, *cough*Stooge*cough*, to another wrestler (HHH).
Also I agree with whoever said that Hogan has never officially come out and said that he retired. Unlike Austin, Foley, or Funk. But when he does, believe me, it will be HUGE.
Consider me one of those who still hope to see a Hogan VS Austin match at the grandest stage of them all. Wrestlemania.
That would be a great way for both Hogan, AND Austin to go out. :cool:
Hogan isn't going to go away. Not Now, not ever.
Even when he's passed on, his ghost will haunt the WWE, getting pops from the crowd.
lboinyamouf4sho
05-11-2005, 05:23 AM
does anyone remember when ric flair had a heart attack in the middle of a cutting an in ring promo for wcw?? was that a work or not?? either way it was hilarious
does anyone remember when ric flair had a heart attack in the middle of a cutting an in ring promo for wcw?? was that a work or not?? either way it was hilarious
It was a work. Says so in his book.
I can't quote it, but he said that he told his wife that he was going to do it even though he was told not to by Bishoff.
The Joker
05-11-2005, 06:19 AM
does anyone remember when ric flair had a heart attack in the middle of a cutting an in ring promo for wcw?? was that a work or not?? either way it was hilarious
Ric Flair: You have no heart! .... *grabs chest, and leans against the ringropes as Mean "By God" Gene calls for help* :D
Definately a classic WCW moment. Just like The Shockmaster's timeless debut, but even more so.
Frank
05-11-2005, 08:32 AM
Hogan made a career out of being this larger than life character and his strenght was being good on the mic. Heck I don`t think he ever wrestled more than 10 minutes matchs so he could go on and on just by talking on the mic. So he could be employed and making money for WWE `till he`s 100 Years Old. :o
ohmygosh
05-11-2005, 09:15 AM
Consider me one of those who still hope to see a Hogan VS Austin match at the grandest stage of them all. Wrestlemania.
That would be a great way for both Hogan, AND Austin to go out. :cool:
Supposely Austin wasn't particularly fond of Hogan before Wrestlemania but apparently had patched things up with him during the post wrestlemania party.
Hogan has gone on record as saying that he would love to work a match against Austin but if there ever be a match between the two , it will have to be a 5 minute match as neither wrestlers can carry one another in their current condition.
Erik Lehnsherr
05-11-2005, 09:19 AM
Piper doesn't hate Vince , not really no , not when Piper had just recently signed a merchandise contract with the WWE and will be appearing if and when the WWE needs him. He's scheduled to appear in some future RAW house shows so just maybe , he might appear on the draft or something.
As far as Sting goes , he's old and he's rusty. How old is he now ? Frankly he's past his sell by date and would be a pale shadow of the wrestler he once was if he goes to WWE .
Hogan is a icon , i have no problem with him appearing once in a blue moon. His pops in the arena will always be bigger than any current WWE superstars but there's no way in hell Hogan's body can withstand being in the WWE full term. He couldn't even do his patented legdrop now due to a leg surgery , hence why Hogan didn't do one at Backlash as they worked around that fact.
Well let's not talk crazy about Sting. He carried WCW just as much as Ric Flair did and made that company. He's only a few years older than Stone Cold and Shawn Michaels.
JohnPopa
05-11-2005, 09:33 AM
Sting never carried WCW. He was good for short term bursts chasing heel champions but could never carry on his own as a face champion. His title reigns always ended up being shorter than the company hoped. He was a solid worker who was given the ball several times and every time had to give the ball back. The only time he ever popped a buy rate was the Hogan Starrcade match but his run as champ after that was typically short-lived and underwhelming.
Sheldon
05-11-2005, 11:23 AM
He's the immortal.
BoosterBronze
05-11-2005, 11:34 AM
Sting never carried WCW. He was good for short term bursts chasing heel champions but could never carry on his own as a face champion. His title reigns always ended up being shorter than the company hoped. He was a solid worker who was given the ball several times and every time had to give the ball back. The only time he ever popped a buy rate was the Hogan Starrcade match but his run as champ after that was typically short-lived and underwhelming.
Sting was SCREWED in that. That was probably the MOST anticipated match of all time. 18 months of buildup. Then the worst ending ever, and Sting being stripped of the title.
Sting should have been on fire as the triumphant champion. Instead the NWO kept going the same way, and became stale as hell. Not Sting's fault.
JohnPopa
05-11-2005, 11:38 AM
Sting was SCREWED in that. That was probably the MOST anticipated match of all time. 18 months of buildup. Then the worst ending ever, and Sting being stripped of the title.
Sting should have been on fire as the triumphant champion. Instead the NWO kept going the same way, and became stale as hell. Not Sting's fault.
No, it wasn't necessarily Sting's fault and he absolutely got double crossed. Still, once people were seeing him every week for a normal period of time, instead of just seeing him come down from the rafters and wreak havok, interest waned. It was still the pretty standard patten for Sting being pushed. But, sure, WCW had much bigger problems at the time.
ace hole
05-11-2005, 11:42 AM
the problem with starcade 97 was hogan refusing to job. a month before when bret hart refused to drop the title vince took it off him. when hogan refused to job cleanly to sting and insisted he got the title back the next night it was the beginning of the end for wcw, in my opinion.
JohnPopa
05-11-2005, 11:47 AM
the problem with starcade 97 was hogan refusing to job. a month before when bret hart refused to drop the title vince took it off him. when hogan refused to job cleanly to sting and insisted he got the title back the next night it was the beginning of the end for wcw, in my opinion.
I agree that Starrcade was the beginning of the end for WCW but Hogan didn't get the belt back the next night. They held the belt up and Sting won it for sure either the next night or at the next PPV (I don't remember which.) Sting dropped it around March to Randy Savage who dropped it back to Hogan the next night. From there it became the build for Goldberg to beat Hogan.
ace hole
05-11-2005, 12:07 PM
but after a year and a half of build up of the two, hogan should have gotten his ass kicked for ten minuites before getting pinned cleanly. by refusing, hogan completely killed sting's heat, and i remember bret hart didnt come out of this too well.
losing to goldberg was a failed atempt to win the fans that had left for the wf during this.
Sheldon
05-11-2005, 12:09 PM
Reading this thread makes me realize how many people read the Netcop
ace hole
05-11-2005, 12:19 PM
i like shaun michles and the undertaker though, and im not too fond of mick foley
JohnPopa
05-11-2005, 12:22 PM
What's the netcop?
J Dog
05-11-2005, 12:39 PM
Hulk Hogan is a lot like the Rolling Stones (in a bad way); he claims he is on his final bout, then he comes back.
I'm sorry if I offended Rolling Stones fans on that. To make it up, I like Mick Jagger.
I Must Break U
05-11-2005, 02:35 PM
Hulk hogan is immortal, he'll never go away until he DIES! Now Ric Flair he should retire, i hate seeing him do those half ass back body drops. He needs to retire before he kills himself in the ring.
I don't even mark out for the guy anymore, and i grew up watching hulk hogan.
He's boring to watch in ring (and has been for at least a decade, i can't recall if he was actually good before that, or if nostalgia makes me think he was good), and everytime i read some story about him being a dick in WCW it makes me dislike him even more.
HomerJay
05-11-2005, 07:39 PM
Definately a classic WCW moment. Just like The Shockmaster's timeless debut, but even more so.
Oh man, The Shockmaster.
FUNNIEST WRESTLING MOMENT EVER.
I really miss the Wrestlecrap website...
HomerJay
05-11-2005, 07:41 PM
Hulk Hogan might go away someday...
but PASTAMANIA will live forever!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v655/HomerJay64/hoganbootband1.jpg
StrawNilla
05-11-2005, 08:16 PM
The more I read this thread the more I think back to WrestleMania XIX to the Hogan/McMahon street fight.
That was more than two years ago and even then the match (at least when you consider the heat it got and how it was billed up as the biggest match of the night) sucked. The triple threat match for the women's championship had better workers.
Fact of the matter is, Hogan (just like Austin) is just too redundant. Now if any guy should do the pops Hogan's been doing lately it's the Rock. Unfortunately, the WWE just can't let Hogan go, he's made the company his own personal b**ch. I honestly think that the Hulkamaniacs of today are simply remembering the simpler days when Hogan was fighting guys like Andre the Giant and Rowdy Roddy Piper, I wish they'd get a clue that those days are over.
The Joker
05-12-2005, 05:56 AM
Hulk Hogan might go away someday...
but PASTAMANIA will live forever!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v655/HomerJay64/hoganbootband1.jpg
Lmao :D
Yeah, Wrestlecrap is sorely missed. Damn shame they had to shut down. :mad:
I agree with others that the Starrcade 1997 match with Sting VS Hogan was indeed a travesty for professional wrestling. Bischoff was, and to a certain degree, is still a Hogan stooge. And by letting Hogan have his way, and not job to Sting really hurt Sting's character, and even WCW in the long haul.
I mean think about it, for MONTHS Sting would come down and clean house with the nWo. Beating as much as 5-10 members by himself. Sting looked, and was portrayed as being nearly invincable.
Then comes along with so-called, "MATCH OF THE CENTURY", and Hogan is not only holding his own against Sting, but actually beating him for much of the match. Which in hindsight, really made the nWo look weak, and inadeqate.
My feeling is that the unfortunate Starrcade 1997 match got the ball rolling for the eventual downfall of WCW. The creation of the nWo Wolfpac pretty much sealed the deal. It wasnt about WCW VS nWo anymore. It became the nWo show. And without the storyline thats all about nWo, WCW would look really weak against the then-WWF.
It just really bacame painfully obvious that WCW could not survive without the nWo gimmick. Which explains why the gimmick was resurrected so many times later. IMO, and many may not agree, when the Wolfpac arrived, the writing was clearly on the wall.
Sheldon
05-12-2005, 05:56 AM
What's the netcop?
The netcop is Scott Keith.....its what he used to call himself when 1st started posting his rants/recaps....
Its funny but you read enough wrestling stuff and he see his impact (for good or bad) everywhere.
As most people don't read the wrestling observer, or Pro wrestling Torch newsletters, most knowledge about things like 97 starcade come from online "writers" like Scott Keith.....the things he's written (and others I'm probably forgetting) about it get bandied around for years like its gospel....
Lmao :D
Yeah, Wrestlecrap is sorely missed. Damn shame they had to shut down. :mad:
Wrestlecrap is back up with new updates every Friday!
Where have you been, man?!
JohnPopa
05-12-2005, 06:43 AM
Ah, no, I've never read Scott Keith, I read the Observer regularly and used to read the Torch back in the day. Meltzer's pretty much the only person I'll take at his word, everyone else I sort of disregard as just being 'guys with websites.'
The Joker
05-12-2005, 07:41 AM
Wrestlecrap is back up with new updates every Friday!
Where have you been, man?!
Are you serious?!? :confused:
Jeez. Well I havent been watching wrestling like I used to. Was a hardcore fan, but pretty much stopped cold back in May of '04. Watch it here and there now.
Thanks for letting me know about Wrestlecrap BTW! :) :) :)
Are you serious?!? :confused:
Jeez. Well I havent been watching wrestling like I used to. Was a hardcore fan, but pretty much stopped cold back in May of '04. Watch it here and there now.
Thanks for letting me know about Wrestlecrap BTW! :) :) :)
Welcome.
It's not the ultra huge site it used to be since it would take a load of money to do it but it's got occasional updates and stuff.
If you are old enough, you can ask for the RD Reynolds DVD where he shows how crap a booker he is.
BoosterBronze
05-12-2005, 11:24 AM
I think the likes of Ric Flair and Terry Funk have shown us that wreslers can continue to contribute to the quality of the product even well past their prime. I think Hogan, as the biggest star ever, could still find his niche in the wrestling world as a non-full time competitor. Look at the rub he just gave Hassan. I think the Hulkster can continue to bring his star power to the WWE to the benefit of the WWE for years to come.
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