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Lorendiac
05-06-2005, 04:57 PM
So I asked myself – If two politically active Americans, a Liberal and a Conservative, each looked at hundreds of issues of comics about Batman, each looking for evidence that Batman was a puppet for the other side, what would they find?

I am making some sweeping assumptions here – chief among them, the assumption that both the Liberal and the Conservative would be capable of distinguishing between “regular continuity” on the one hand, and Elseworlds, movies, television shows, and so forth on the other hand. So you won't see me mentioning anything Batman did in DKR or in the movies or whatever.

I have tried to be fair, by being equally unfair to both sides at once! If that isn't open-minded on my part, then I don't know what is! ;)


10 Reasons Batman Comics are Liberal Propaganda

01. Batman never carries a gun.

02. Batman nonetheless manages to overcome gun-wielding bad guys routinely. This is obviously meant to brainwash us into thinking that real people can reasonably expect to courageously defeat gun-wielding muggers without needing firearms of their own to even the odds. But what else do you expect from a liberal?

03. Batman never has the guts to kill even the worst cases, not even when he could honestly swear under oath that it had been done in the heat of the moment in simple self-defense of himself or of innocent civilians, when a known murderer was brandishing a deadly weapon and was obviously ready to use it again. This makes Batman much, much more of a yellow-bellied bleeding-heart liberal than that nice conservative Superman fellow who did have the guts to appoint himself judge, jury, and executioner, and wipe out the three Phantom Zone criminals after they had committed planetary genocide in an alternate world back around 1988.

04. Batman's parents loved each other dearly, we're told, and yet in eight years or so they only had one child. Practicting birth control like mad were they, so that the single kid wouldn't be too much of a burden on their narcissistic lifestyles? That's liberals for you!

05. Although he has no official standing with the legitimate authorities of Gotham City (not to mention the county, state, and federal governments), Batman is obviously far more intelligent and effective than the trained professionals who are legally authorized to enforce the law. Makes you wonder why we bother giving law enforcement agencies any tax money at all, if private citizens are going to "empower" themselves to do most of the necessary work anyway.

06. Batman routinely breaks the law, all sorts of laws, even invading the White House and robbing the President of the United States on at least one occasion, but his crimes are usually written in such a way that we are supposed to believe we should be gentle and sympathetic with his antisocial behavior because of extenuating circumstances, instead of tossing him inside a maximum-security cell so hard that he bounces off the concrete floor twice, and then leaving him there to rot.

07. On a similar note, Batman is incredibly forgiving of Catwoman’s past sins, without expecting her to actually submit to arrest, throw herself on the mercy of the court, and serve her time behind bars.

08. For years Batman has frequently served as part of one incarnation or another of the Justice League, an organization which is sponsored by the United Nations. Anyone who voluntarily works for the UN instead of the national government of his own homeland is clearly a shameless, unpatriotic, internationalist, bleeding-heart LIBERAL.

09. Batman never manages to settle down with a nice girl, get married, raise kids, you know, all that old-fashioned "family values" stuff – instead, he goes through girlfriends like they were cheeseburgers. He’s probably a big believer in “free love” without feeling guilty about it.

10. Batman has been known to threaten people’s lives, and/or beat them up, in order to get them to spill their guts about anything they know regarding criminal schemes. Clearly he is following the philosophy of that well-known liberal legal scholar, Alan Dershowitz of the Harvard School of Law, who recently wrote a book advocating the legalized torture of suspected terrorists.


10 Reasons Batman Comics are Conservative Propaganda

01. Jason Todd’s mother had performed illegal abortions to make money in the days before Roe v. Wade, gave birth to an illegitimate child, and ended up working in a famine relief camp in Africa. Was it any surprise that she was then revealed to be utterly corrupt?

02. Batman is extremely insensitive, even to his friends, teammates, the women he dates, etc., across the last several years, and seems to glory in it. (“I’m an old-fashioned, macho, alpha male and I’m proud of it! Sensitivity and courtesy are for women and wusses!” is the clear message that he consistently sends with his painfully bad example.)

03. The way the Joker, Two-Face, the Riddler, etc., keep coming back to cause more trouble, time after time, is obviously meant to brainwash us into thinking that they ought to be executed the next time they’re arrested, whether they’re legally sane or not, in order to be on the safe side – it’s the only sure way to prevent even more people from dying. The concept of civilized, nonviolent lifetime imprisonment as a serious alternative is treated as a bad joke – in Batman’s world, a “life sentence” translates to “he'll be off the streets for about six weeks if we’re lucky.”

04. In "A Death in the Family," Batman thought nothing of using a truth serum to pry into Lady Shiva’s personal life ("have you ever had children?"), which was really none of his business.

05. Batman lives in a world so dangerous that it makes the typical reader think, “Gee, considering that I’m not a graduate of any kind of Ninja Training School the way our hero is, maybe I better keep an automatic weapon handy at all times in case a crazed serial killer breaks into my house! This seems to happen to innocent citizens in Gotham about twice a week, every week of the year!”

06. Seems like every man, woman, and child Batman meets either has superpowers or has a gun. But the innocent bystanders whom he rescues never have guns; they depend upon him to save them. Clearly, those innocent bystanders are suffering under the burden of unfair Gun Control Laws. Living proof of the argument “Outlaw guns and only outlaws will have guns!” That’s exactly the situation Bats encounters every night of the week!

07. No Man’s Land – consider the basic premise. The President had placed the Gotham City area off limits and had stationed troops who were authorized to shoot you if you tried to approach the boundary with a humanitarian aid package (food, for instance). This event basically happened in the Bat-titles through the year of 1999 (may have started in late '98?). Since everyone and his brother knows the President of the United States in 1999 was Bill Clinton, it’s obvious that DC was trying to say that Clinton was the sort of vicious maniac who would refuse to authorize federal aid for a big city stricken by a natural disaster, and instead would get his jollies as he proudly gave American servicemen firm orders to shoot unarmed American citizens on sight just because they wanted to peacefully walk in or out of a disaster area whenever they felt like it. Talk about smearing a man’s character in a libelous fashion!

08. Batman gives a lot of his money to charitable works. On the face of it, this seems like good liberal behavior, but the evil here is that he is implicitly supporting the idea that charities need to be privately funded and administered in the civilian sector, as if he doesn’t trust Big Government to bravely assume the full responsibility of spending all the necessary amounts of money on welfare programs in a wise and sensitive fashion. Classic conservative dogma!

09. Batman has been known to invade other countries for various reasons, without getting his passport stamped by customs, without being invited in by local government, without doing one thing or another that an American is supposed to do when he travels abroad. Classic conservative arrogance!

10. Batman has been known to threaten people’s lives, and/or beat them up, in order to get them to spill their guts about anything they know regarding criminal schemes. Clearly he is following the philosophy of that well-known conservative legal scholar, Alberto Gonzales, the new Attorney General, who is credited with writing some legal arguments explaining why a President of the United States has the constitutional right to order prisoners tortured under certain circumstances.

gator_ash
05-06-2005, 07:52 PM
Batman as Liberal Propaganda:
Batman thinks he's smarter than everyone else and doesn't believe in God.
Batman blames his problems on the death of his parents.
The Joker's psychosis is the result of him falling into a vat of toxic chemicals and therefore not his fault.
Batman can do the things he does because he has an unlimited cashflow.
Batman uses fear as a weapon.
The Batman's repeated use of unpaid, child labor has proven to be disastrous.

Batman as Conservative Propaganda:
Batman has made something of himself through strength of character and hard work.
Batman takes the law into his own hands.
Bruce Wayne is the owner of his own company, employs a lot of people, is a positive force in his community, and helps the economy.
Batman thinks things through instead of acting on impulse.

Jason H
05-06-2005, 08:19 PM
Shouldn't "Batman uses Fear as a weapon" be under Conservative Propaganda?

gator_ash
05-06-2005, 08:31 PM
Shouldn't "Batman uses Fear as a weapon" be under Conservative Propaganda?

No. Things like telling the elderly that the government wants to end Social Security and let old people starve to death, etc., are fear based tactics.

Jason H
05-06-2005, 08:35 PM
But telling people Sadaam Hussien has Weapons of Mass Destruction and saying if John Kerry gets elected the U.S. will be attacked by terrorist isn't using fear based tactics?

lonewolf23k
05-06-2005, 08:38 PM
No. Things like telling the elderly that the government wants to end Social Security and let old people starve to death, etc., are fear based tactics.

Let's be fair and say both sides use fear tactics. It's just that the Liberals use "Fear of your Government" and Conservatives use "Fear of the Outside Enemy"...

jetter_cheeze
05-06-2005, 09:52 PM
I know this is supposed to be thought provoking, but i find both sides hilarious. Is there a centrist agenda perhaps?

pureclint
05-06-2005, 10:26 PM
Not bad!

I am a bit surprised you put the "use whatever means necessary" as Liberal considering the whole hubaloo over Terrorist rights going on. Also, Red States are more generous with personal donations so it is not really a liberal ideal, but you did correctly point out that Social Security and other Government operated programs would fall under liberal views.

cartload
05-06-2005, 11:16 PM
I would think Batman doing a better job than a city employed government police force falls in the catergory of conservative propaganda. You hear conversative commentators always saying how the individual can do it better than something funded by the government.

gator_ash
05-07-2005, 03:50 AM
Let's be fair and say both sides use fear tactics. It's just that the Liberals use "Fear of your Government" and Conservatives use "Fear of the Outside Enemy"...

Ah, very good point! On that note, you could say that the Omac Project & Batman's protocols on how to defeat his fellow heroes could be considered conservative propoganda.

gator_ash
05-07-2005, 03:53 AM
I know this is supposed to be thought provoking, but i find both sides hilarious. Is there a centrist agenda perhaps?


That would probably be something like taking care of your own life and not worrying too much about what other people are doing & thinking, LOL!

Gauss
05-07-2005, 08:19 AM
04. In "A Death in the Family," Batman thought nothing of using a truth serum to pry into Lady Shiva’s personal life ("have you ever had children?"), which was really none of his business.

Gotta strike this one. As I recall, Bats was pretty pissed at himself for having to do that. Of course, nowadays he probably wouldn't think twice about it, and aren't we all better off without Batman whining about mind manipulation? Oh, wait a minute... :p

LegionsOfGotham
05-08-2005, 01:05 AM
Shouldn't "Batman uses Fear as a weapon" be under Conservative Propaganda?

LMAO. Nice one

bannermanonemillion
05-08-2005, 07:00 AM
Gotta strike this one. As I recall, Bats was pretty pissed at himself for having to do that. Of course, nowadays he probably wouldn't think twice about it, and aren't we all better off without Batman whining about mind manipulation? Oh, wait a minute... :p

*rimshot!*

LukeRed5
05-10-2005, 10:49 AM
I think the no gun policy can be viewed as liberal, but since his parents were murdered with a gun, it's understandable why he wouldn't want to use it. Looking at Captain America, I don't understand he has a no gun/no kill policy. He's a soldier! So for Batman it kind of makes sense, for Cap, no way.

Lorendiac
05-10-2005, 02:16 PM
I would think Batman doing a better job than a city employed government police force falls in the catergory of conservative propaganda. You hear conversative commentators always saying how the individual can do it better than something funded by the government.

The theory I was working on, or more accurately the stereotypes I was using, went something like this:

"Liberals think conservatives want to shrink or completely shut down most big government programs and leave people to fend for themselves, for better or for worse - with a few conspicuous exceptions! Those being law enforcement agencies for fighting domestic crime, and a big strong military for fighting our country's enemies around the world when necessary."

"Conservatives think liberals want to raise taxes and expand the budgets of practically every government program under the sun so it can be more and more of an intrusive parent treating citizens like its children who need constant micromanagement in their lives - with a few conspicuous exceptions! Those exceptions being the law enforcement agencies which liberals don't trust to be properly sensitive to minorities and the poor and downtrodden and so forth, and also the military, which liberals think is far too active on the world stage."

How accurate are those stereotypes? I don't know. How common are they in the minds of American civilians these days? I don't know. But I have seen those stereotypes clearly expressed in various places by various people over the years, so they were what I was working on as a foundation in my comments about whether liberals or conservatives would be more likely to want to leave the war on street crime to the professionals in police departments.

jhauge
05-10-2005, 04:35 PM
I don't think Batman's stance on guns is liberal or conservative. He let's his butler use a shotgun to guard some of the back ways into the batcave. I look at as he thinks bad guys use guns because they are cowards. It's a way for them to have an advantage they would otherwise not have. He spent his days training so he could overcome that threat. He worked hard to make himself the advantage, not something that could be taken away. You take away his costume and toys, he is still very formidable.

tymac
05-10-2005, 05:47 PM
I think Batman himself comes off more as a Randian objectivist.

methanolcereal
05-10-2005, 05:58 PM
I think the no gun policy can be viewed as liberal, but since his parents were murdered with a gun, it's understandable why he wouldn't want to use it. Looking at Captain America, I don't understand he has a no gun/no kill policy. He's a soldier! So for Batman it kind of makes sense, for Cap, no way.
With Cap, it really depends on who you ask. Back in the 60s/70s Marvel would never allow one of their flagship characters kill people. He killed people in the 40's comics and if you've been reading Brubaker's new Cap book (which everyone should by the way), he definately has killed people.

comicallyinsane
05-10-2005, 09:21 PM
Well in the 40's and 50's Batman fought space aliens. Which side of the coin does that fall under?

Paragon Kobold
05-11-2005, 12:33 AM
Well in the 40's and 50's Batman fought space aliens. Which side of the coin does that fall under?


Conservative. Liberals tend to give space aliens the benefit of doubt.
('Perhaps plasma rays are their form of communication!')

Kevinroc
05-11-2005, 01:10 AM
But Batman's plans keep falling into the hands of the wrong people. So it really is a liberal agenda that says you should be more trusting and a lot less paranoid. ;)

Doom
05-11-2005, 02:22 AM
Gotta strike this one. As I recall, Bats was pretty pissed at himself for having to do that. Of course, nowadays he probably wouldn't think twice about it, and aren't we all better off without Batman whining about mind manipulation? Oh, wait a minute... :p

Just before the Crisis (in an issue of the Outsiders.) Batman captured and beat up a Kobra terrorist. To try and find out where the Kobra headquaters was he tied him down and injected him with Sodium Penthonal. (Truth Serum since I probably mispelled Penthonal.)
The man instantly died, since Kobra had made sure their agents couldn't talk.

All Batman did was say "Damn, I probably should have checked him before I did that." Then went on with finding Kobra. (Should be noted he did this at an Outsiders meeting with a 16 year old girl/countlessly old alien) watching.

With Cap, it really depends on who you ask. Back in the 60s/70s Marvel would never allow one of their flagship characters kill people. He killed people in the 40's comics and if you've been reading Brubaker's new Cap book (which everyone should by the way), he definately has killed people.

He did kill Baron Blood and Gruennwlad had him shoot an Ultimatium soldier in the 80s.
And as for him not using guns, in his early days he did. And recently (just before Kirkman/Brubaker's run) he was traveling in a limo without his Shield or costume and was attacked by gunmen. He took the pistol off a wounded Body Guard and drove the gunmen off by firing at them.
Just thought I'd bring that up, since I thought it was cool.


As for Batman being conservative, well he formed the Outsiders (Outsiders #1) because the JLA refused to aid him traveling into a war-torn country to save his friend.

Let's see, Batman couldn't get unilateral support so invaded on his own with whoever would support him? Sounds conservative to me.