Should murder be illegal?

[StoneGold]

Let's face it, who is it hurting? Not the dead people; by the time it's murder, they're beyond feeling anything.

[Guapo Méndez]

Illegal as hell.

I want the SOB who killed my ______________ to either fry or spend a loooong time time in jail.

[Donald M.]

Murder should be illegal unless I do it. Then it should be celebrated. Heralded even. And lo, morons, schmucks and total douchebags from the four corners of the Earth did come before me, volunteering to be culled that life may be slightly less annoying for the rest of us.

[HomerJay]

Let's face it, who is it hurting? Not the dead people; by the time it's murder, they're beyond feeling anything.

You're kidding, right?

[StoneGold]

You're kidding, right?
What I like is that apparently my argument was convincing enough that you're thinking maybe I'm not kidding. Not that I am. Or aren't. Or something.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Last I saw It was. Unless you plead Insanity and are able to deflect blame to the other person. It usually works In our Society and Its pretty horrible to see It happen.

[Wesley Dodds]

I think we should make murder legal. Then if someone tried to kill you at least you could kill them. Plus, politicians wouldn't dare be assholes.

[Guapo Méndez]

Yeah, right.
If murder were legalized tomorrow, by the end of the week there would be no more human race.

[HomerJay]

What I like is that apparently my argument was convincing enough that you're thinking maybe I'm not kidding. Not that I am. Or aren't. Or something.

Just making sure. There have been suggestions made on this board that are just as ludricrous...

[west3man]

Yeah, right.
If murder were legalized tomorrow, by the end of the week there would be no more human race.
Legalized murder?

This thread could turn political in a second.

[Wesley Dodds]

If murder were legalized tomorrow, by the end of the week there would be no more human race.

I don't think so. I think there'd be a lot more murder -- I can think of three people I'd run out and kill right now, actually :p -- but it wouldn't mean the end of the human race. We'd muddle along.

A big upside is that public figures wouldn't last very wrong. Every week there'd be a new death to party over.

[Guapo Méndez]

Hey, you give us too much credit.

Hospitals: Any illness would be cured with lead. Why care for them? You can kill them and get away with it.

Schools: You're not learning? You're being a PITA? Lead. Conversely, students would go: Huh? I don't understand what you're teaching. Lead.

Celebrities: I don't like my fans. Lead.
Fans: I don't like my celebrities. Lead.

It would be easy to start and damn hard to stop.

[StoneGold]

At least in theory, while there may be some more murders, the whole process is kept in check by the fact that the other guy has just as much right to murder you. That and the fact that y'all are a bunch of big pussies who would never go through with it anyways. I mean, if someone really wanted to kill someone else, they'd do it. How often has the law actually stopped anyone from killing someone else? Or at least trying to? Sure, claim that the only thing stopping you from killing someone else is fear of getting in trouble, but let's be honest, it's a combination of morals, laziness and lack of conviction. If you really wanted to kill, you'd do it anyways.

[Emerald Ghost]

Last I saw It was. Unless you plead Insanity and are able to deflect blame to the other person. It usually works In our Society and Its pretty horrible to see It happen.

Well, if you're rich enough, nothing is illegal. (OJ Simpson, Michael Jackson - remains to be seen, but I have ideas...)

Money talks...people end up with cement shoes.

[Emerald Ghost]

And now to answer in a more logical manner...

If a culture allowed murder, it would be self destructive. So let's say America decided that, you know what, murder is fine and dandy. What would happen is, groups of people would cling to each other to survive. In essence, they would create a brand new culture (as they would have their own beliefs, laws, etc), making the "American" culture defunct as everyone is part of a smaller culture.

[Adam Crocker]

Yeah, right.
If murder were legalized tomorrow, by the end of the week there would be no more human race.

You make it sound like that's a bad thing.

At least in theory, while there may be some more murders, the whole process is kept in check by the fact that the other guy has just as much right to murder you. That and the fact that y'all are a bunch of big pussies who would never go through with it anyways. I mean, if someone really wanted to kill someone else, they'd do it. How often has the law actually stopped anyone from killing someone else? Or at least trying to? Sure, claim that the only thing stopping you from killing someone else is fear of getting in trouble, but let's be honest, it's a combination of morals, laziness and lack of conviction. If you really wanted to kill, you'd do it anyways.

Well I think StoneGold made a cogent, well-reasoned argument, especially since I know he's too chicken to go through with it!

[cosmic cat]

If murder actually WAS legal here, would anyone ACTUALLY go out and kill someone?
I was thinking about it, and I'd be curious to find out what it would feel like to kill someone.
but...
I think I'd feel too guilty afterwards.
damn. Not that I can think of anyone to kill.

[Emerald Ghost]

If murder actually WAS legal here, would anyone ACTUALLY go out and kill someone?
I was thinking about it, and I'd be curious to find out what it would feel like to kill someone.
but...
I think I'd feel too guilty afterwards.
damn. Not that I can think of anyone to kill.

I feel bad for squishing ants. What do you think? :)

[Wesley Dodds]

You make it sound like that's a bad thing.

Yeah. More and more I'm starting to wonder if we shouldn't just get it all over with.

[Ryan K]

I call George Lucas!

[BlairH]

Self defence by any means neccessary should indeed be legal. Someone tries to kill me or anyone I love they should expect a ballistic knife in their throat, or for me to pull out my 1911 and bust a cap!

[Gaz]

If murder actually WAS legal here, would anyone ACTUALLY go out and kill someone?
I was thinking about it, and I'd be curious to find out what it would feel like to kill someone.
but...
I think I'd feel too guilty afterwards.
damn. Not that I can think of anyone to kill.
Someone have that speech by James Gandolfini's character in True Romance handy?

[Charles RB]

No, murder should be very legal. All crime is committed by the living, therefore life itself must be a crime! By legalising murder, the numbers of criminals will end up dropping dramatically!

[BlairH]

(Taggart) There's been a MURder

I think as far as self defence is concerned anything should go. If some wiseguy tries to kill me or someone I love, then they can expect a ballistic knife to be impailed in their neck. Well, either that or their torso to be filled with more lead than a pencil factory.

[Emerald Ghost]

(Taggart) There's been a MURder

I think as far as self defence is concerned anything should go. If some wiseguy tries to kill me or someone I love, then they can expect a ballistic knife to be impailed in their neck. Well, either that or their torso to be filled with more lead than a pencil factory.

(Columbo) Just one more thing...a minor note...

On a much more serious note, not to you, but in general; remember, weapons in the household more often than not are used against their owners. If you do have a weapon to protect yourself, please take care to keep it safely away from children, and to train yourself to use it.

[BlairH]

(Columbo) Just one more thing...a minor note...

On a much more serious note, not to you, but in general; remember, weapons in the household more often than not are used against their owners. If you do have a weapon to protect yourself, please take care to keep it safely away from children, and to train yourself to use it.

eek, sorry for posting twice by the way. I thought my first post didnt make it because I got disconnected, so I made one in a similar vein.

I think the key with weapons and children (I am going to get flamed for this) is to remove the whole "taboo" or "forbidden fruit" aura that surrounds them. What I personally would do is tell my son/daughter that he/she can ask me to go to the range to shoot or whatever at any time they want. If they want to see the gun(s) then I would get the key and open the safe. I would supervise constantly.

I don't see how exposing kids to firearms in a responsible and controlled manner can be a bad thing...I really don't.

[Emerald Ghost]

eek, sorry for posting twice by the way. I thought my first post didnt make it because I got disconnected, so I made one in a similar vein.

I think the key with weapons and children (I am going to get flamed for this) is to remove the whole "taboo" or "forbidden fruit" aura that surrounds them. What I personally would do is tell my son/daughter that he/she can ask me to go to the range to shoot or whatever at any time they want. If they want to see the gun(s) then I would get the key and open the safe. I would supervise constantly.

I don't see how exposing kids to firearms in a responsible and controlled manner can be a bad thing...I really don't.

I shot a bb gun when it was taller than me...shotgun when my dad had to stand behind me. But was different time then. Kids today, they are not so responsible as used to be. They are temperamental little bastard children.

But that is neither here nor there; what I mean is, do not leave a gun under your bed so your kid shows his friend how to blow his brains out. Is not a smart idea. If you want to teach your kid to use a gun, and take responsibility, that is okay with me.

But those are two different things. :)

[Sanagi]

The DMV would try a lot harder to keep the lines moving, so there'd be that at least.

[BlairH]

they are not so responsible as used to be. They are temperamental little bastard children.

Depends on the parent I guess (PS I am not calling your parenting into question if you indeed have kids, I'm just saying that kids are only as responsible as their parents kinda thing)

I too was brought up with guns, and I think I turned out ok.

[Emerald Ghost]

Depends on the parent I guess (PS I am not calling your parenting into question if you indeed have kids, I'm just saying that kids are only as responsible as their parents kinda thing)

I too was brought up with guns, and I think I turned out ok.

No, no kids, just bros and sis's. I do not mean all kids are bad, it's just hard to find good ones any more.

I think it is a combination. Parents do have a lot of sway, but there is also environment, teachers, peers, school, that kind of thing. Drugs are bad, and gangs are getting worse as of late, if the police reports are right and not exaggerating.

[Johnny Morningstar]

Murder is such an ugly word. I prefer "garnishing your life wages" or "foreclosing your breathing account."