Green Lantern Rebirth: Good or Bad?

[AceOfSpades]

Whats everyone's viewpoint on Hal's coming back? Personally I like Kyle and I don't want him to go away. Although I did think the Rebirth miniseries helped me understand the Parralax thing a whole lot more. And what about Ganthet? The cute little guy was possesed, if he's so powerful, I don't think that should be possible.

[Matt]

I'd definitely lean towards good.

[Ilash]

Unless the last issue lands up being completely awful, Rebirth is definitely really, really good. In fact, it may well be my favourite thing that Geoff Johns has ever written. I'm also glad that it didn't just mean the return of Hal Jordan but of the other Lanterns too. Kyle Rayner's a favourite of mine but he needed something done with his book that had been stuck in mediocrity for far too long a time, John Stewart had some great moments in the book and, oh yeah, Killowog and GUY GARDER are back as Green Lanterns. Now we just need a second (and perhaps even a third) GL title to back up Hal's book. How's about a Kyle book by Grant Morrison and Cameron Stewart and a Corps book by Mark Waid and, I don't know, Barry Kitson or someone?

[We R. Venom]

Definately the best DC comic i ever read, so its the really really good. DC ruined their comics for me for so many years, as they always do, but this comic fixed theyre crap fest of a mess.

[surferfan23]

It Rocks!!!! Go Hal!!!!!!!

[fnhspidey]

Holy crap this is a great story, I don't usually read DC but a buddy told me to read it and with the fight in last issue is was not able to sit down while I read it.

[Brian R]

Very good, and a great place to jump on for new GL fans. I highly recommend it.

[PanzerMega]

I think Rebirth is well done. Better than I expected, anyways.

My only problem is with how well Hal will be handled in the new ongoing series. It's one thing to bring him back in an interesting way, it's another to justify doing it long-term.

I like the idea of Morrison/Stewart on a Kyle book though, I'd buy the heck out of it.

[Bored at 3:00AM]

I think it's terrible. I mean, look at all the terrible things it's done thus far:

a) bringing back Hal Jordan as a true-blue fearless test jock. Obviously, NEW FRONTIER proved that this version of the character is bor-ring.

b) bringing back Guy Gardner as a GL. Come on, bright red and blue tattoos and morphing powers are so much better than that lame Howard Chakin-designed costume.

c) bringing back the GLCorps. Pff. As if any decent story could be told with a concept like that. I doubt even Alan Moore could do it.

d) depicting Kyle Rayner as competent. Geez, why don't they change his name to Hal Jordan already. Why isn't he handing over his ring to super-villains who've just murdered his girlfriend and mother or empowering lunatics to commit genocide? This isn't the Kyle Rayner the fans know and love. They need to have him screw up more so I can relate to him more. Have him accidentally kill a puppy or somethin'.

e) retconning/explaining away all that great Emerald Twilight/Dawn/Hobo stuff from the nineties. I mean, why do heroes always have to act like heroes? Why can't heroes act like wusses or drunken screw-ups or homocidal villains more?

I dunno, this seems like a real step backwards to me...if they wanna bring back some old ideas, they shouldn't do it with GL, they should do it with Supes and give him his mullet back. That rocked. It was like Superman was...I dunno....cooler all the sudden.

[Brian R]

I think it's terrible. I mean, look at all the terrible things it's done thus far:

a) bringing back Hal Jordan as a true-blue fearless test jock. Obviously, NEW FRONTIER proved that this version of the character is bor-ring.

b) bringing back Guy Gardner as a GL. Come on, bright red and blue tattoos and morphing powers are so much better than that lame Howard Chakin-designed costume.

c) bringing back the GLCorps. Pff. As if any decent story could be told with a concept like that. I doubt even Alan Moore could do it.

d) depicting Kyle Rayner as competent. Geez, why don't they change his name to Hal Jordan already. Why isn't he handing over his ring to super-villains who've just murdered his girlfriend and mother or empowering lunatics to commit genocide? This isn't the Kyle Rayner the fans know and love. They need to have him screw up more so I can relate to him more. Have him accidentally kill a puppy or somethin'.

e) retconning/explaining away all that great Emerald Twilight/Dawn/Hobo stuff from the nineties. I mean, why do heroes always have to act like heroes? Why can't heroes act like wusses or drunken screw-ups or homocidal villains more?

I dunno, this seems like a real step backwards to me...if they wanna bring back some old ideas, they shouldn't do it with GL, they should do it with Supes and give him his mullet back. That rocked. It was like Superman was...I dunno....cooler all the sudden.


If I could, I would make that entire post my sig. Good job man, good job. :D :D :D

[The Shadow]

I think it's terrible.
I TOTALLY AGREE!

a) bringing back Hal Jordan as a true-blue fearless test jock. Obviously, NEW FRONTIER proved that this version of the character is bor-ring.
No kidding. Snooze festorama there. It was more decompressed than any Bendis book. The art was OK though.

b) bringing back Guy Gardner as a GL. Come on, bright red and blue tattoos and morphing powers are so much better than that lame Howard Chakin-designed costume.
Now this I disagree with... I like ol Guy.

c) bringing back the GLCorps.
JUST when ya thought they were gone, the realized Jordan was a craptastic enough character that they NEEDED to bring them back to desperatly try and make him interesting... or at least his supporting cast.

d) depicting Kyle Rayner as competent. Geez, why don't they change his name to Hal Jordan already. Why isn't he handing over his ring to super-villains who've just murdered his girlfriend and mother or empowering lunatics to commit genocide? This isn't the Kyle Rayner the fans know and love. They need to have him screw up more so I can relate to him more. Have him accidentally kill a puppy or somethin'.
Another area we disagree on. I've always thought of Kyle as competent. When he could have given up he didn't and it made him stronger and infinitly more interesting than Jordan.

e) retconning/explaining away all that great Emerald Twilight/Dawn/Hobo stuff from the nineties. I mean, why do heroes always have to act like heroes? Why can't heroes act like wusses or drunken screw-ups or homocidal villains more?
THAT pissed me off too! Why can't "heroes" take responsibility for their actions? Why should they get a "get out of jail free" card? Why should they be human? Because it's more interesting perhaps? And that's why Kyle is the better GL... more interesting in 10 years than Jordan was in 40... Except when Jordan became a hobo and rogue GL killing everyone. Does Kyle now get his family and girlfriends back too? If not, why? Let the guy have SOME happiness!

I dunno, this seems like a real step backwards to me...
I think it's a step backwards too... DC passed the torch to a more interesting character that didn't rely on the almighty GL Corps, that earned his spot instead of having it handed to him, and that lost loved ones in his battles. DC should take a step FORWARD and not backwards. They seem to get desperate every once in a while and need that "return" of a character... like Winnick in Batman needs Jason Todd... but that only does short term work... they've lost a GL reader with me... until Kyle comes back again. DC should have put Johns on GL after "kill the title" Winnick (GOD I fear for BAtman) and let him run with it instead of retreading and digging up Hal Jordan (who was even more interesting as Spectre than as a GL)

I'm glad SOMEBODY agrees with me! :p :D

[Brian R]

I'm glad SOMEBODY agrees with me! :p :D

You do realize that he was being totally sarcastic and that you actually have the complete opposite viewpoints, dont you?


Also, its getting harder and harder to take you seriously man. You bash Hush, fine, whatever, but now you bash GL:Rebirth, which is a thousand times better than Sins Past... I am starting to think you only disagree with me for the heck of it.

[fuaak]

Green Lantern Rebirth: Good or Bad?

Ehh. It started out as completely indecipherable and is still contrived, and the "yellow is the color of fear, so Superman is powered by fear and so on" bit is quite possibly the biggest load of B.S. I have ever seen in a comic. Also, all the characters spend entirely too much time daydreaming about how awesome everyone else is.

Not something I'd recommend. Purdy pictures, though.

[Brian R]

Green Lantern Rebirth: Good or Bad?

Ehh. It started out as completely indecipherable and is still contrived, and the "yellow is the color of fear, so Superman is powered by fear and so on" bit is quite possibly the biggest load of B.S. I have ever seen in a comic. Also, all the characters spend entirely too much time daydreaming about how awesome everyone else is.

Not something I'd recommend. Purdy pictures, though.

Have you read the book? Because I have no clue where you got that Superman bit from, if its in there and I forgot about it, then my bad, but "Superman is powered by fear" isnt the least bit familiar.

[fuaak]

I was just mocking the retarded "yellow = fear, green = willpower" thing.

[Argonaut]

All that I can say right now is that It will become "infamous" as Emerald Dawn.

[The Shadow]

You do realize that he was being totally sarcastic and that you actually have the complete opposite viewpoints, dont you?
Of course I knew he was being sarcastic... but his sarcasm pretty much summed up what I thought! LOL... so I thought I would be sarcastic back with the "I'm glad somebody agrees with me" part!!!

Also, its getting harder and harder to take you seriously man.
LOL. I've been reading comics for 20 years, I have 18,000 books in my collection not counting graphic novels and trades... I've read better than GL Rebirth. It's not bad, but I disagree with bringing a character back in the first place, second they are taking away the GL I like and find INFINITLY more interesting, thridly they are basicaly giving Hal a get out of jail card with the "yellow monster" (CUMMON GEOFF! you can do better than that!) bit, and as I said earlier, I thought Hal was a boring character and the best stuff they did with him is the stuff Rebirth is giving him a pass for.

You bash Hush, fine, whatever,
Batman is DA MAN... I have more Batman books in my collection than an other character (regular series)... My earliest Batman is #38! So again, I've read some awesome Batman stories, and Hush is so far down the list it's painful. The art was ok, but if you want great stuff read the early O'Neil/Aparo stuff or the Rogers/Englehart issues, or (of course) Neal Adams' stuff, or most of Breyfogles run (6 YEARS worth of awesome issues!), or the Demon trilogy. I just think for all its hype Hush isn't that good. It was OK... but not the be-all end-all Batman story a lot of people seem to think it was.

but now you bash GL:Rebirth, which is a thousand times better than Sins Past
Opinions my friend. I thought Sins Past was a great tie in to original continuity, JMS fit the scenes into the original story and made it plausable. I'm also a long time Spidey fan... My earliest issue is #20, and I have all the original Death of Gwen and the Goblin books. Loeb has written WAY better stuff... all of his Haloween one shots, the Long Halloween, Dark Victory... hell episodes of Smallville were better.

... I am starting to think you only disagree with me for the heck of it.
LOL

Maybe!

[Mr. Bungle]

I'm loving the series and the return of the GL Corps so far. I hope the conclusion keeps up the same quality.

[The Shadow]

I hope the conclusion keeps up the same quality.
I am LOVING the art... but the story isn't too hot... though I will admit it isn't finished yet... and could get better! IC went from GREAT to "I CAN'T BELIEVE THIS CRAP" ending.

[Bored at 3:00AM]

I was just mocking the retarded "yellow = fear, green = willpower" thing.

Which isn't anywhere as retarded as the idea of an intergalactic army named after furniture....created by blue midgets in red dresses....

okay.

[Alan2099]

Sorry. I hated the whole idea of it. Hal was as dull as a brick until they ahd him go insane. Now we learn that not only was he NOT insane, but a highly dangerous godlike cosmic being was manipulated by Sinistro just to make Hal look bad. Oh yay! hal can be a hero again, because even though he killed countless people and tried to rewrite reality it wasn't his fault.

Sorry. Kyle was much more intresting than Hal ever was. The really sad thing is, now that hal is back, Kyle is just going to get swept under the rug

[GremlinClr]

Which isn't anywhere as retarded as the idea of an intergalactic army named after furniture....created by blue midgets in red dresses....

okay.


Thank You! :D

[stealthwise]

Bored, that post was fantastic. I haven't laughed like that in at least a week.

[Brian R]

Sorry. I hated the whole idea of it. Hal was as dull as a brick until they ahd him go insane. Now we learn that not only was he NOT insane, but a highly dangerous godlike cosmic being was manipulated by Sinistro just to make Hal look bad. Oh yay! hal can be a hero again, because even though he killed countless people and tried to rewrite reality it wasn't his fault.

Sorry. Kyle was much more intresting than Hal ever was. The really sad thing is, now that hal is back, Kyle is just going to get swept under the rug

Yeah, where was all this love for Kyle when his title was TANKING? Anyone??

[The Shadow]

Yeah, where was all this love for Kyle when his title was TANKING? Anyone??
I started with issue 50 and I bought it up till the end!

I tracked down 46-49 as well... but I got ALL the Kyle issues, even when Winnick was ruining him.

[Brian R]

Hey man, Im not saying he doesnt have his fans, but clearly if sales are any indication there are more Hal fans out there than Kyle fans. I know what you are thinking, if DC had just put Johns on the book with Van Sciver on art it would have sold better, and I cant disagree with that. But the fact that the book is always in the top three in sales does point to the fact that a lot of people might be happy about Hal's return.

In any case, Kyle isnt going anywhere, and I fully expect him to star in his own book within a year or two, so I see no reason to be pissed.

Lastly, as per Geoff's retcon, sure a Yellow Fear Monster seems childish and silly, but I have found that its much better to go for simple than for artistic when it comes to retcons. In ten years, when people ask what happened, "Yellow Fear Monster" will make a very easy explanation.

[Lex]

I see Rebirth for what it is. It's taking Hal from point A to point B. Point A = Hal is dead and is the host of the Spectre. Point B = Hal is alive and restored as a GL. For a new ongoing GL series with Hal, they needed to find a way to bring Hal back. Everything in the middle is just filler. Entertaining filler, sure.

I'm just waiting for the new ongoing series. That's where the real fun will be.

[HalJordan]

I have to agree. I'm totally in favour of Hal coming back - check out New Frontier for how entertaining Hal can be if done well; but at the end of the day, Rebirth is just a device for doing that. That said, overall Rebirth by itself is a very good read; Geoff Johns has done a great job, IMO, and the van Sciver art is excellent!
I'm looking forward to the ongoing - should be exciting :)

[Bored at 3:00AM]

The really sad thing is, now that hal is back, Kyle is just going to get swept under the rug

Could you explain to me how Kyle head-lining one of DC's high profile mini-series is being swept under the rug? Rann/Thanagar War looks like it'll be keeping Kyle in the spotlight for awhile and Geoff Johns has already stated on numerous occassions that Kyle will continue to play a major role in the DCU.

Or by swept under the rug, do you mean that Kyle's mere existence won't mean that every other GL character won't be swept under the rug so he won't suffer in comparisson?

[steeler80]

This makes me so hypocritical because, normally, I'm against characters being brought back. But I did get such a charge when Hal showed up to fight Sinestro. The fanboy in me did a happy jig.

[pureclint]

This makes me so hypocritical because, normally, I'm against characters being brought back. But I did get such a charge when Hal showed up to fight Sinestro. The fanboy in me did a happy jig.


And that is what this series is all about, making our inner fan do a Jig.

And boy does it.

Can anyone read the last few pages of 4 when Hal steps out of his coffin ring aglow ready to beat ass and not think "damn that was cool?"

Can anyone read the Hal smirk after getting bounced across the moon and not think "damn that was cool"?

Can anyone read the Hal and Kyle handshake DURING a fight with a vastly powerful enemy and not think "damn that was cool"?

Let the inner fan jig on I say!

Now bring on more blue midgets in red dresses!

[Lorendiac]

I'll offer my own opinion in a few words before I start reacting to anyone else's.

"Emerald Twilight" was a horrible idea. I was buying the monthly title at the time it started, so I remember it vividly. Then Kyle came along. I'd never heard of him before, and that was a problem - I didn't like the way Ganthet just spotted him at random, tossed him a ring, said something like "I suppose you will have to do."

But while I thought Emerald Twilight was bad, I was smart enough that I didn't automatically hold this against Kyle. I gave him a fair chance to impress me in the next few issues of the Green Lantern title, and instead I just found him boring the way Marz was writing him, so I dropped the title.

Hal rebelling against the Guardians was something that resonated with me, actually, they being such a bunch of clueless arrogant holier-than-thou backseat drivers, but using this as an excuse to toss Hal out of his own book for the foreseeable future (and have him murder at least one or two people along the way) was bad. If Hal had simply defied the authority of the Guardians without killing anybody, and if he had then stayed the central character of his own title as a sort of rugged individualist still trying to be a hero but simultaneously defying authority, I would have been more optimistic.

But the point is: I thought Emerald Twilight and its aftermath (Zero Hour, etc.) butchered the character of Hal. So I feel that the retconning in "Rebirth" falls into the category of "It's a dirty job - but someone's got to do it!"

By definition, any story that is doing damage control to "excuse" Hal's previous actions is a good idea. Period. (Even if I agree with those who feel that the sudden revelation that there was a Yellow Fear Demon who'd been lurking inside the Central Power Battery for eons is silly.)

[CaptMagellan]

I'm not a Geoff Johns fanboy but I'm really liking Rebirth (I also liked his fixing of Hawkman). Considering what he had to work with I'd even go so far as to say this is better than good. Probably the best thing of his I've read.

If there wasn't all of the Emerald Twilight, Zero Hour, etc. stuff to retcon, I'd be less forgiving of some of his plot elements (Yellow Fear Monkey...monster... bug) but I see it as a harsh surgery and he's quickly and decisively using his scalpel and sutures to get the patient back to stable condition. It's harsh, messy, and a bit traumatic, but necessary.

[amphetamine]

I'm not a Geoff Johns fanboy but I'm really liking Rebirth (I also liked his fixing of Hawkman). Considering what he had to work with I'd even go so far as to say this is better than good. Probably the best thing of his I've read.

If there wasn't all of the Emerald Twilight, Zero Hour, etc. stuff to retcon, I'd be less forgiving of some of his plot elements (Yellow Fear Monkey...monster... bug) but I see it as a harsh surgery and he's quickly and decisively using his scalpel and sutures to get the patient back to stable condition. It's harsh, messy, and a bit traumatic, but necessary.

It's a good metaphor. Restore functionality now -- the reconstructive cosmetic surgery can wait.

Frankly, I'm too happy over the fact that Rebirth even happened to get too picky about it. It's like the archetypal 8-year-old girl who gets the pony for Christmas and goes, "But Daaaaaaddyyyy, I wanted her to have blue ribbons in her hair!"

[PanzerMega]

Salaak will be in the book!

For some reason that sold me more than anything.

[retcon74]

I've been away on vacation and I'm not sure if I should run down to my comic shop to get issue #6. Has it already come out and, if not, what is the new expected shipping date?

[amphetamine]

I've been away on vacation and I'm not sure if I should run down to my comic shop to get issue #6. Has it already come out and, if not, what is the new expected shipping date?

6 comes out May 11, assuming DC won't push the date back before then.

[AceOfSpades]

I've been away on vacation and I'm not sure if I should run down to my comic shop to get issue #6. Has it already come out and, if not, what is the new expected shipping date?

Nah.. 6 isn't out yet... though i wish it was!!

[Captain Jim]

6 comes out May 11, assuming DC won't push the date back before then.

And GL: Secret Files is supposed to follow on May 18 and GL #1 on May 25.

[pennywisdom]

I really like it, mainly for a couple reasons...

First of all, Johns gives structure and relevance to a lot of stuff that people have felt is complete nonsense. For ten years now, people have been asking "Why did Hal go insane? It's out of character. It makes no sense." We can see that there is a definite reason for this happening, instead of it merely being something to do for the hell of it. Also, I always thought the weakness to yellow was lame, pointless, and a hold-over from the goofy 60s. I felt the same way about the weakness to yellow that some fans do about Krypto, the Super-Dog. It was just idiotic. Now, however, it's a representation of something bigger. More compelling and frightening. Johns seems to be adept at taking something I've taken for granted and converting it to something epic and mythic.

Johns also has enough respect for the characters that I know nobody is going to get completely trashed. From what I've read (no. 1-4), he has handled Kyle, Oliver, and Hal tremendously.

Lastly, this is one of the first times I've ever really been interested in Hal Jordan. Hal, when you read the classic stories, is basically a plan vanilla do-gooder. The "man without fear" angle by itself is really boring. When you read the complete story of Hal Jordan (beginning, middle and now Rebirth), you have a tale of a man who has it all, falls, and struggles to get back up again. His return and "hero status" are more deserved now that he's atoned for his sins and fought his demons. It's a really compelling story and it's made me a lot more likely to buy Johns' new ongoing GL series.

[Forefinger]

Yeah, where was all this love for Kyle when his title was TANKING? Anyone??
I dropped it during Raab's horrible run, and picked it back up for the last arc with Martz, as all other Kyle fans out there. You can only put up with so much crap eh? Raab sucks.
Anyway, I was collecting that GL series from no. 1 and dropped it after 6 or so because Hal was boring to me. I heard something big was coming, so I picked up the issues where Hal went nuts, and then a few issues of Kyle as GL. It was good stuff, but not great. I dropped the title again but later went back and got most of the back issues with Kyle as GL.
If Johns had been assigned the GL book without restarting it, I'm sure that he could have turned the title around in no time.

Yeah. GL: Rebirth? Great!

[comic_lover]

Whats everyone's viewpoint on Hal's coming back? Personally I like Kyle and I don't want him to go away. Although I did think the Rebirth miniseries helped me understand the Parralax thing a whole lot more. And what about Ganthet? The cute little guy was possesed, if he's so powerful, I don't think that should be possible.Are you kidding me ? Geoff Johns brought Hal with style.Good stuff.

[Kevinroc]

Could you explain to me how Kyle head-lining one of DC's high profile mini-series is being swept under the rug? Rann/Thanagar War looks like it'll be keeping Kyle in the spotlight for awhile and Geoff Johns has already stated on numerous occassions that Kyle will continue to play a major role in the DCU.

Or by swept under the rug, do you mean that Kyle's mere existence won't mean that every other GL character won't be swept under the rug so he won't suffer in comparisson?

Fans (especially internet fans) are a nervous lot by nature. We had a lot of this kind of talk when DC announced Hal's return and that he would be the star of the new GL ongoing (although some of that was understandable since DC remained very quiet about its plans for Kyle at the time).

But now we know Kyle will play a huge role in the Rann/ Thanagar War (one of those Countdown tie in stories that DC have been pushing) and the upcoming GLC mini. DC seems determined not to alienate Kyle's fanbase in the wake of Hal's return. Some people are probably nervous because Kyle isn't headlining an ongoing.

Right now we're just at the beginning of DC trying to rebuild the GL franchise. Rebirth is that first step. If you want to see Kyle Rayner in an ongoing, support the upcoming Rann/ Thanagar and GLC mini series. It's that simple. DC will publish what it thinks will sell.

Speaking as a Kyle fan, I'm actually very pleased with how DC is handling this situation. The people obviously understand that you don't need to alienate one fanbase to please another. This won't please everyone but it'll make a lot more people happy than just trying to please one side.

One last thing, I don't want to see anyone make an immature knock about the sales on Kyle's ongoing before Rebirth. I think that was more indicative of what people actually thought of the stories as opposed to the appeal of the character. There have been many characters (including Hal Jordan) who were in a situation where people did not like the quality of the book and didn't buy it. That doesn't mean they didn't like the character. This isn't a particular knock against any character. With the right creative team, any character can headline an ongoing title.

[Bored at 3:00AM]

One last thing, I don't want to see anyone make an immature knock about the sales on Kyle's ongoing before Rebirth. I think that was more indicative of what people actually thought of the stories as opposed to the appeal of the character. There have been many characters (including Hal Jordan) who were in a situation where people did not like the quality of the book and didn't buy it. That doesn't mean they didn't like the character. This isn't a particular knock against any character. With the right creative team, any character can headline an ongoing title.

Exactly, dull Kyle stories don't sell any better than dull Hal stories did. The trick is to come up with good stories featuring characters fans care about. It wasn't until DC pulled that idiotic "There can only be ONE!" nonsense with Green Lantern that there was even a problem. A good creative team would have solved the problem and sold just as many comics...probably more.

[Brian R]

One last thing, I don't want to see anyone make an immature knock about the sales on Kyle's ongoing before Rebirth. I think that was more indicative of what people actually thought of the stories as opposed to the appeal of the character. There have been many characters (including Hal Jordan) who were in a situation where people did not like the quality of the book and didn't buy it. That doesn't mean they didn't like the character. This isn't a particular knock against any character. With the right creative team, any character can headline an ongoing title.

Immature? Pardon me, but I think it is quite on-topic to point out that GL was dropping rapidly in the sales department. You dont really think DC would have brought Hal back if the book was one of their hot-sellers, do you?

[Kevinroc]

Immature? Pardon me, but I think it is quite on-topic to point out that GL was dropping rapidly in the sales department. You dont really think DC would have brought Hal back if the book was one of their hot-sellers, do you?

I meant "immature" in the sense that someone would come along and say "haha, Kyle can't support his own title." The reason sales on GL were dropping were because people hated the quality of the title. Not that Kyle is a bad character who couldn't support his own book.

There have been many times in the history of many characters where the quality of the stories were low and the title was canned or retooled. Happened to Hal Jordan, for example.

[married guy]

It's a lot better than it has a right to be.
Geoff Johns & Ethan Van Sciver are doing good