Why Liefield Marvel.. WHY?!

[fleng]

http://www.marvel.com/comics/onsale/covers/uploaded/X-FORCE:%20SHATTERSTAR_3image_big.jpg

http://www.marvel.com/comics/onsale/covers/uploaded/X-FORCE:%20SHATTERSTAR_3image_big.jpg

ok maybe im new, maybe its been posted pretty much around here.. but i just couldnt stand this any longer.. what kind of a stupid weapon design is that.. every noses look like Jacko's, each character have triple amount of teeth than any real human being and check out how the sword perspective changes.. rob i hope you read this too.. hehe. Just wanted to get your views btw and hi. \m/

[Cayman]

For all his much-documented shortcomings, Liefeld does still have a certain amount of fanbase left, so I guess Marvel just wants to exploit that.

Cay

[Gaveedra 6]

what's with that terrible goatee? Aren't these two the characters that Liefeld's suppsed to actually be able to draw?

Wow, well done, Rob!

[mattbib]

Here are a couple of existing Liefeld discussion threads:

So... Liefeld Didn't Invent X-Force? (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=48442&highlight=liefeld)
Why all the Liefeld hate? (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=36012&highlight=liefeld)
X-Force : The dramatic return of Liefeld? (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=11648&highlight=liefeld)

Be sure not to cross the line into creator bashing. :)

[Charagon]

Is Cable going surfing?

[Sheldon]

I think he's going snowboarding.

[nubly]

For all his much-documented shortcomings, Liefeld does still have a certain amount of fanbase left, so I guess Marvel just wants to exploit that.

Cay

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

really if he was as unpopular to all the fans as he is on the boards then marvel wouldnt cash his fame right? liefeld is an awesome artist

[Sheldon]

nubly does raise an interesting point.....comicbook fans who post on message boards represent a small subset of the comic book fan population.

[Crimson]

Too be fair this is one of the better Liefield pictures I've seen...

[Cayman]

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

really if he was as unpopular to all the fans as he is on the boards then marvel wouldnt cash his fame right? liefeld is an awesome artist

Well, that's what I was saying. Even though Liefeld is frequently bashed, he still has enough fans to justify Marvel employing him. But, whether you like him or not, some of the criticisms of his stuff are definitely valid.

Cay

[DDM]

How is Cable's ironing board going to be useful in battle? Is he going to Spray & Wash then starch his foes to death??? Liefeld subconsciously puts everyday items in his pictures then demands us to take him seriously: hair dryer guns, ironing boards guns...

[hbkabdul]

I dont see what the big deal is as long as Liefield doesnt write i dont mind him getting work

[nubly]

How is Cable's ironing board going to be useful in battle? Is he going to Spray & Wash then starch his foes to death??? Liefeld subconsciously puts everyday items in his pictures then demands us to take him seriously: hair dryer guns, ironing boards guns...

there was an interview with him (i think it was an old wizard) that asked him why he draws weapons like that. he says its a parody of the surfers board. how is a surf board useful in battle?

[The Fury]

How is Cable's ironing board going to be useful in battle?
Haven't you heard, Extreme Ironing is all the rage nowadays. That's where he's going.

http://www.extremeironing.com/

[Shadow Crawler]

Cable looks a lot like Oliver Queen.

[BoosterBronze]

Is it me, or has Mr. Liefeld's work gotten worse? I DO NOT have a critical eye, and even I boggle at the shoddiness of that picture.

-Cable's fingers are all the same length, and his ironing board doest seem like it could really fit in his arm like he has it, as mentioned previously Shatterstar's curving swords, and is Cable 9 feet tall, or is Shatterstar a dwarf?

[fishtaco]

Liefeld sucks, but I still like a lot of his creations (Deadpool, Shatterstar, GW Bridge, Domino, Grizzly, Kane, Hammer, etc).

[Charagon]

I just want to know why Shatterstar looks like a muscular chick.

[fleng]

I dont see what the big deal is as long as Liefield doesnt write i dont mind him getting work

i thought he was writing them and doing the covers only... but yeah i like the characters he creates as long he dont draw them anymore... pls god no more.

and yeah its true he does have a small fan base of Liefeld fans, the true die hard fans and the ultimate suckiest art ever in comicdom is way powerfull that marvel just had to hire him.. thank god he didnt do the interior of them books or else..

[Siddon]

His stuff does not age well in the sense that on glossy paper it just plain stinks.... with that said....

I really liked his classic 80's look he did on New Mutants, I love realism as much as the next guy but he has his charms.

[That JonoGuy]

I just want to know why Shatterstar looks like a muscular chick.

What's ironic is Liefeld had THIS to say about that cover..

Yeah, I told my buddies whern I finished it that I thought Shatt looked a bit feminine.

What i don't get is if he looked like a chick and he KNEW it, why did he not change it.

I honestly do not get him.

[Ant-Man]

I dont see what the big deal is as long as Liefield doesnt write i dont mind him getting work

This is how I feel. I can live with his art on a project, but when he writes or plots the project, it is unreadable.

[fleng]

so he dont write them eh? but did he write youngblood with the one that steve skroce pencilled that shit was the bomb although it lasted only 1 or 2 ish.. i dunno

[Ant-Man]

so he dont write them eh? but did he write youngblood with the one that steve skroce pencilled that shit was the bomb although it lasted only 1 or 2 ish.. i dunno

Alan Moore wrote the Steve Skroce issues of Youngblood ;) , which is why they were good reads.

[Alan2099]

Did anybody else notice that Cable's scar is on the wrong side? Also I don't belive Shatterstar ahs ever had a flashing eye but I could be wrong.

[fishtaco]

Did anybody else notice that Cable's scar is on the wrong side? Also I don't belive Shatterstar ahs ever had a flashing eye but I could be wrong.No, Shatterstar's eye flashes, just like his possible father Longshot.

[cable guy]

Did Cable get taller or did Shatterstar shrink?

[cable guy]

Did anybody else notice that Cable's scar is on the wrong side?


For some strange reason, Liefield has been drawing Cable like that lately.

[streator]

liefeld is not, in my opinion, a great artist. therefore, i do not buy things he works on. liefeld does, more than any other artist, get people talking (usually bitching) about whatever project he is working on. for every poster online who derides his work, there is still a market out there that enjoys it.

[fleng]

http://perso.wanadoo.fr/extremegenesis/1XforcePromoA.jpg

this one is a better piece... hehe, tons of pouches for everyone wee

[Charagon]

Yeah, I told my buddies whern I finished it that I thought Shatt looked a bit feminine.

So he refers to his own work as Shatt, does he.


Actually, that one above me is actually pretty good.

[Kid Seven]

It's actually a meat tenderizer from the future; and Shatterstar's got Mojoverse Ginsu knives.

It's all part of their new cooking show, "X For Dinner". ;)

[nubly]

i noticed that work done by liefeld has color that looks 'bright'. does he use the same colorist?

[Stoss]

http://perso.wanadoo.fr/extremegenesis/1XforcePromoA.jpg

this one is a better piece... hehe, tons of pouches for everyone wee

I love that Domino's boobs start at her collarbone.

[mattbib]

We get it. Liefeld is not the best artist or writer. This dead horse has been sufficiently beaten.

[Grimm]

I dont mind his work personally, just his sense of perspective is skewed. I think he only has one eye, which is why he does little homages to himself on some of his characters, they often flash as if to say look kids only one eye!!

[Twigglet]

He's not just at Marvel anymore, DC fans should get a surprise sometime soon if the rumours are true.

[fishtaco]

Where does he post? I want to read more of his excuses.

[nubly]

i really dont see how his art is that bad. sure he isnt symetrical but alot of other artists are like that. he did not improve on his artwork but, IMO of course, its phenominal the way it is. marvel should get him to do cable and deadpool- that would make me buy it

[That JonoGuy]

Where does he post? I want to read more of his excuses.

He has his own message forum at herorealm.

[Jesse Newcomb]

Those poor, poor Titans fans.

At least Gail Simone is writing the issues.

[Neolucifer]

marvel should get him to do cable and deadpool- that would make me buy it

Please no ... never .. i love Deadpool too much ... and i'm growing to like cable as well .. in the C/DP serie ..

I know Deadpool is his creation , however he only blossomed under others .

[Shadow Crawler]

I also think that Liefeld should never be on Cable/Deadpool. It would be something very terrible.

And yes, us poor Teen Titans fans getting stuck with him. But it will only be for two issues. I'm just glad that I dropped it for August, but also regret it because Simone is writing those two issues.

[Neolucifer]

As for the WHy?? i'm personally glad Marvel keep him around in his own title (and only that :D )

I always fear some crap happening someday like , him going all angry and saying : "Deadpool rights are mine!!!" .
So yeah keep him around , on xforce or whatever i dont read .

[mattbib]

marvel should get him to do cable and deadpool- that would make me buy itYou're missing out.

[Rachel Grey]

Actually in that first pic I liked Cable's goatee, granted that was the only thing that I liked, but still it was kinda stylish.

And in the second one, if her tits were drawn properly Dom would actually look pretty hot.

[The Shadow]

I don't mind Rob's art at all.

It's not the best (and his anatomy is off in spots) but he's dynamic, energetic and truely loves his work if he puts up with the constant bashing and bitching people do regarding his artwork.

I think he's a horrible writer... whoever the genius was at Marvel that thought just because he and McFarlane could draw MUST mean they are good writers too should be shot... but I digress.

Liefeld is no worse than Rags Morales or some of the other "hot" new guys. I think he got a bad rap for the lateness in his books and the books weren't looking any different than when he worked at Marvel... so people were pissed because his art really isn't THAT good to warrant massive delays... like Ethan Van Sciver's is... but he's also not as horrible as people make him out to be. He reminds me a lot of Jim Lee or Michael Turner in the "poster" look to his stories... but I thought his X-Force mini showed improvements in his storytelling and I thought (though the story was utter shite) he got stronger as the series progressed.

[Brian R]

I don't mind Rob's art at all.

It's not the best (and his anatomy is off in spots) but he's dynamic, energetic and truely loves his work if he puts up with the constant bashing and bitching people do regarding his artwork.

I think he's a horrible writer... whoever the genius was at Marvel that thought just because he and McFarlane could draw MUST mean they are good writers too should be shot... but I digress.

Liefeld is no worse than Rags Morales or some of the other "hot" new guys. I think he got a bad rap for the lateness in his books and the books weren't looking any different than when he worked at Marvel... so people were pissed because his art really isn't THAT good to warrant massive delays... like Ethan Van Sciver's is... but he's also not as horrible as people make him out to be. He reminds me a lot of Jim Lee or Michael Turner in the "poster" look to his stories... but I thought his X-Force mini showed improvements in his storytelling and I thought (though the story was utter shite) he got stronger as the series progressed.

Alright, thats it, we have breached the point of no return. You and me, buddy, pistols at dawn.

YOU DONT MIND ROB'S ART??? I cant even begin to understand how you compar Rags(who is not stellar but competent) to Rob.

[milhouse123321]

I was just looking at that group image of X-Force on the page a few back, and you know what...
I think I'm gonna go out and buy the X-Force tpb with his art.
I like it alot. I think it's really good.

[abbas.khan]

i loved rob's work on new mutants. he took the most boring x-book and made it exciting. and he took that over into x-force. after that he fell and his art when to shit.

if we could get that charm he brought to the new mutants id be so happy.

and yes - i have the cable and the new mutants tpb and i love it :D

[cable guy]

i loved rob's work on new mutants. he took the most boring x-book and made it exciting. and he took that over into x-force. after that he fell and his art when to shit.

if we could get that charm he brought to the new mutants id be so happy.

and yes - i have the cable and the new mutants tpb and i love it :D

I really loved his stuff back then.

[Kojiro]

I don't mind Rob's art at all.

It's not the best (and his anatomy is off in spots)

Wait, wait, wait.... "In spots?" TRY ALL OVER THE GODFORSAKEN PLACE!

The man can't draw.

[fleng]

dudes its for real he's doing teen titan..

[Shadow Crawler]

dudes its for real he's doing teen titan..
Heh... most of us know. We were discussing his terrible Teen Titans work earlier in X-crescence.

[nubly]

*bonk* *bonk* *bonk* *bonk* *bonk* *bonk*

[Ant-Man]

i loved rob's work on new mutants. he took the most boring x-book and made it exciting. and he took that over into x-force. after that he fell and his art when to shit.

if we could get that charm he brought to the new mutants id be so happy.

and yes - i have the cable and the new mutants tpb and i love it :D

When he was drawing the New Mutants in the 80's, he was an Art Adams clone, and his art was cool. Like you said, when he started to develop his own stlye on X-Force in the 90's, his art went to hell in a hand basket.

[Kojiro]

dudes its for real he's doing teen titan..

Yeah, it's being discussed in the DC Universe forum. The. Art. Looks. Awful.

[xmanson]

Domino needs a boob job in that pic. Creepy...

[DavidQ!]

Just two words. It bites! Can't believe Liefield is replacing McKone hope its only temporary.

[Mars]

When did Cable hire Deathstrokes barber? The beard is WAY to similar...

And is it the 90's all over again? Are glowing eyes STILL cool?