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Master Darque

04-20-2005, 04:30 PM

Fave Havok moments ....
I LOVED Meltdown , the Havok and Wolvie limited series by Walt and Louise Simonson , Kent Williams and Jon J Muth . I liked how James Dean-ish Havok was painted . And even how Claremont made reference to their trip later in Uncanny .
There is an issue of the Hulk where I first laid eyes on Havok , where the Hulk finds some bikers chasing after a girl with greeen hair , who he mistakes for his lost love , Jarella ... but it turns out to be Lorna . Alex freaks out that the Hulk is after her and goes into action .
I don't have the original issues , but I do have the baxter paper X-Men Classics where Neal Adams put Havok in costume for the first time .... those issues sealed not only my love for all things Neal Adams ..... but Havok as well .

There's an issue of Uncanny ( around the 220's ) where Alex is having a bad dream that the X-Men are trying to kill him and he awakes and runs out of the house because he's about to cut loose with some power . He hopes there are no planes flying overhead as he lets go .... and afterwards all the sand below and around him is fused into glass . Tres cool .

Tyrone Slothrop

04-20-2005, 04:36 PM

Best Havok moment... when he had gone bad and was asked if he was being mind controlled - he replied (IIRC) "I'm evil because I want to be, damn it!"

also every appearance written by PAD

nubly

04-20-2005, 04:48 PM

Best Havok moment... when he had gone bad and was asked if he was being mind controlled - he replied (IIRC) "I'm evil because I want to be, damn it!"

also every appearance written by PAD

is that the first or second time he was mind controlled?

Flight

04-20-2005, 04:53 PM

Fave Havok moments ....
I LOVED Meltdown , the Havok and Wolvie limited series by Walt and Louise Simonson , Kent Williams and Jon J Muth . I liked how James Dean-ish Havok was painted . And even how Claremont made reference to their trip later in Uncanny . Yes, the Havok/Wolverine Limited series is INCREDIBLE!
The art is so right. They don't make them like that anymore
I haven't read many Claremont back issues so what issue does he make reference to Meltdown?
I am collecting his run and have loads of Havok issues but aren't going to read them until I have them all from Dark Phoenix onward

DDM

04-20-2005, 05:03 PM

Yes, the Havok/Wolverine Limited series is INCREDIBLE!
The art is so right. They don't make them like that anymore
I haven't read many Claremont back issues so what issue does he make reference to Meltdown?
I am collecting his run and have loads of Havok issues but aren't going to read them until I have them all from Dark Phoenix onward

Havok & Polaris help the X-Men battle Proteus in Uncanny X-Men #125-128 right before The Dark Phoenix Saga. You might also want to check out Marvel Team-Up #69-70 when Havok is kidnapped by the Living Pharoh who eventually becomes the Living Monolith. Spider-Man & Thor show up as well as Lorna Dane & Havok...

Havok first battles Cyclops in Uncanny X-Men #97. Havok & Polaris also appear in Uncanny X-Men #104-105.

Quarterwolf

04-20-2005, 05:18 PM

I would say the whole of Mutant X.

I love that series. They never should have ended it.

DAMN YOU MARVEL.

I will now look for a Havok Pic.

Quarterwolf

04-20-2005, 05:22 PM

Bryn do you like this one?

Nightcrawler

04-20-2005, 05:37 PM

Bryn do you like this one?

That's from X-Men Legends, if memory serves.

Flight

04-20-2005, 05:39 PM

Bryn do you like this one? I like it... But I want my old issue 166 close up avi back
Thanks for the info DDM. do you love Havok?

bakla

04-20-2005, 07:28 PM

I always liked Havok and Polaris because they were never used as much in the original X-men, and they were the more dynamically powered ones. Every time Claremont would make them guest star, I secretly wanted them to join the X-men full-time.

My most memorable Havok moment was when Alex, skulking about and spying on the X-men to find out what was going down during the Mutant Massacre, had a lot of thoughts on what he was doing, and it was a rare insight into his mmind, becauswe he was always relgated to a supporting role before that. And I loved how he thought about how he thought that his old black outfit was so skintight that it showed everything.

And then I started imagining everything.

Ah, good times...

jeangreydp

04-20-2005, 07:35 PM

Karl J. Barnes

04-20-2005, 07:40 PM

You know, I was thinking of starting a thread of a similar title, only about Jean of course, but then I'd just get hate mail. :eek:

But, to respond to the Havok love- I really do love him- A LOT. I mean he's one of the most babe-a-licious X-guys.

My favorite Havok memories are from Inferno... cuz he was always wearing that torn/loincloth/ speedo deal.

He's a babe. :D

Sexist. Havok is more than a loin-cloth! He's powerful, courageous.....umWhat else should I say Flight??And you don't need to press the barrel of that gun so hard into my back...

jeangreydp

04-20-2005, 07:44 PM

Sexist. Havok is more than a loin-cloth! He's powerful, courageous.....umWhat else should I say Flight??And you don't need to press the barrel of that gun so hard into my back...

Hey I can dig on his personality too. Though he's wronged my dear Lorna a few times and that was not cool. I mean, Annie? I think he should plead temporary insanity. But, other than that I love him to pieces.

Karl J. Barnes

04-20-2005, 07:54 PM

Liz, I need to warn you to be careful about the N***e A***e word. Flight gets a tad upset at the mentioning of this "person".

Neolucifer

04-20-2005, 07:56 PM

This is my favourite Havok website. I'm disappointed I didn't create it

Heeehh nice to see i aint alone to love this site . The wallpaper section isnt bad at all btw .

As for havok , i'm a big fan myself .I love every of his costumes and uniforms so far , and this is quite rare among x people . His powers are great , and i also like his personality .
I'm quite happy he was chosen to lead an X team , but sadly austen wronged him with the whole nurse Annie affair , and with the still going on Bobby/Lorna relationship .

Havok & Polaris help the X-Men battle Proteus in Uncanny X-Men #125-128 right before The Dark Phoenix Saga. You might also want to check out Marvel Team-Up #69-70 when Havok is kidnapped by the Living Pharoh who eventually becomes the Living Monolith. Spider-Man & Thor show up as well as Lorna Dane & Havok...

Havok first battles Cyclops in Uncanny X-Men #97. Havok & Polaris also appear in Uncanny X-Men #104-105.

I'm sadly ripping off DDM but i have to agree that those were among his finest moments .

Huzzah!

04-20-2005, 08:48 PM

havoks best issue is the one where he joins the soon to be aussie xmen

streator

04-20-2005, 10:01 PM

i enjoyed the issue where scott and alex play handball, dont remember if it was an x-factor or x-men or what. i liked the meltdown issue (of x-factor, i think it was the 1st or 2nd one after AoA) where he couldnt control his mutation. i also enjoyed austen bringing him back, for better or worse.

Forefinger

04-21-2005, 03:33 AM

Havok is one of my favorite X-Men. I really enjoyed all the X-Men in Austraila issues because Alex was a promenent member of the team. I didn't collect as much X-Factor as I should have, it got pretty unreadable for me at some point. I collected Mutant X just because Havok was in there, but that too got unreadable for me. I was very happy when he was returned to this universe in Uncanny X-Men. I'm waiting for Peter Milligan to use him to his potential in X-Men now. I've got high hopes for Milligan's take on Rogue and Gambit as well.

Flight

04-21-2005, 11:51 AM

bakla

04-21-2005, 12:22 PM

Thanks for the responses! I was halfexpecting people to gatecrash this thread just for the sake of it

What does everyone think of Havok's relationship with Lorna and the current Iceman triangle in Milligan's X-Men? Do you think Havok & Polaris should be together or is there relationship more over than the Age of Apocalypse? Who would you like to see either with?
My thoughts? Bobby's been pining for Lorna since the 70s. He needs to move on. Lorna's all unstable now, so Alex and she should address their relationship once and for all, and move on as well. Lorna was never her own person - she was always saddled with being linked to someone else, whether it was Alex, or Magneto, or Sinister and Malice, and I think someone should do something about making her Not Just A Victim and a character in her own right. Peter David started something interesting, and Austen's sometimes homocidal Lorna may not be to my liking, but it's probably the most interesting she's been in years.

Master Darque

04-21-2005, 03:14 PM

I haven't read many Claremont back issues so what issue does he make reference to Meltdown?

I'll have to check out which issue it was .... but it was an issue that was current with Meltdown at the time . Actually there was an issue where Wolvie says he's going on a road trip and Alex decides to go as well .... I think to get over Maddy , or his feelings for her .

Then there is mention made when they return ...Wolverine is still sporting the crazy big hair-points as he talks to Storm about the trip ....all the while washing mousse out of his hair .

It's funny ...... but the only costume of his I have EVER liked is probably his corniest ... the very 1st one .

Also .... I have the very 1st appearance of Alex ...I believe it's Uncanny 54 ....bought it for a DOLLAR at a swap meet and it is in VG-F condition !

Karl J. Barnes

04-21-2005, 03:24 PM

Thanks for the responses! I was halfexpecting people to gatecrash this thread just for the sake of it

What does everyone think of Havok's relationship with Lorna and the current Iceman triangle in Milligan's X-Men? Do you think Havok & Polaris should be together or is there relationship more over than the Age of Apocalypse? Who would you like to see either with?

ALex needs someone like Emma to shake up his world view. Lorna, like Jean, has been too attached to one person and I think needs to find someone else. Bobby must admit that he is pining over the death of Northstar, so he can heal....seriously Bobby needs to grow up and move on to someone more his speed,like......um who IS Bobby's speed??

Master Darque

04-21-2005, 03:37 PM

Firestar .
C'mon ... you know when he , Spidey and Anjelica were living together , he wore her undies on his head when she wasn't home ..... :eek:

Karl J. Barnes

04-21-2005, 03:39 PM

Firestar .
C'mon ... you know when he , Spidey and Anjelica were living together , he wore her undies on his head when she wasn't home ..... :eek:

And he tried on her bra...just to see what it felt like....

DDM

04-21-2005, 04:51 PM

I'll have to check out which issue it was .... but it was an issue that was current with Meltdown at the time . Actually there was an issue where Wolvie says he's going on a road trip and Alex decides to go as well .... I think to get over Maddy , or his feelings for her .

Then there is mention made when they return ...Wolverine is still sporting the crazy big hair-points as he talks to Storm about the trip ....all the while washing mousse out of his hair .

It's funny ...... but the only costume of his I have EVER liked is probably his corniest ... the very 1st one .

Also .... I have the very 1st appearance of Alex ...I believe it's Uncanny 54 ....bought it for a DOLLAR at a swap meet and it is in VG-F condition !

Uncanny X-Men #246 is the Havok & Wolverine: Meltdown reference.

http://image.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/fullsize/97792366288.246.GIF

nubly

04-21-2005, 04:56 PM

seeing those images makes me nostalgic for silvertri's x-men. IMO, he did a better artwork than jim lee

Neolucifer

04-21-2005, 06:40 PM

i wouldnt say better , but imo at least of equal level . Anyway i wasnt as much impressed by Lee's post marvel art , except for the quite slow "Divine right" . While Silvestri still does .

jeangreydp

04-21-2005, 06:41 PM

I'm a sucker for love triangles so I'm liking Milligans take on things. I'll feel bad for someone however it turns out because I love Bobby, Lorna, and Alex.

But really I think Bobby needs to move on because Lorna just isn't into him. She has never been- even when they were dating. And Bobby deserves someone who is crazy about him.

As for Lorna and Alex- I feel they should be together cuz basically I view them as Scott and Jean Jr. But, I'm worried that putting them back together would cause people to hate their characters same as Scott and Jean, you know? So, I'm not really sure what I would do there- but personally I'd like to see them patch things up- after Alex does mucho groveling of course.

Kid Seven

04-21-2005, 06:46 PM

Really, corny though it may be, that first Havok costume is so striking. I think an artist needs to get back to that original mostly black costume, and maybe modify it somehow.

I loved Havok during PAD's run on X-Factor. I just loved the dynamic between him, Rahne and Lorna.

Neolucifer

04-21-2005, 06:50 PM

But, I'm worried that putting them back together would cause people to hate their characters same as Scott and Jean, you know? So, I'm not really sure what I would do there- but personally I'd like to see them patch things up- after Alex does mucho groveling of course.

Actually i want Alex and Lorna back together , and as you often see, i'm a fervent supporter of Scott/Emma , and you could say anti Cyclops/Jean . Besides i dislike when those two are written or described like mini Scott & Jean . They got personality of their own , arent as dull as the supposed original imo . Also it would be nice if every future writer could avoid the always recurring "I'm not as good as my bro" drama , wich is btw useless .

Doom Hammer

04-21-2005, 06:53 PM

Jack Flash

04-21-2005, 08:06 PM

my favorite moment of Havok's was when he was a "bad" guy hanging out with the brotherhood, with Fatale and Dark Beast. There is an ish of X-factor when he threw himself and Cyke out of a plane into an ocean. It rocked.

Jesse Newcomb

04-21-2005, 09:44 PM

This thread gives me a good idea. We should have random character appreciation threads featuring one and only one character. Now we just need a name...a name...

I got it...

Love Me An X ~ Havok!

Quickly, Flight, modify your thread title!

No way, man! This thread title reminds me of that cool movie, I Heart Huckabees. Hey, Jude Law as Havok?

Never happen in a million years unless Jude got busted for some drug charge and then he'll do it as a career comeback. :D

atoningunifex

04-22-2005, 05:27 AM

http://alyxchance.com/iheartflight.JPG

streator

04-22-2005, 07:37 AM

Grimm

04-22-2005, 07:42 AM

Favourite Havok moments. Hmm.

Id have to say the arc where X-Factor appeared in Hulk. Hulk was smacking around Guido like a bitch when Havok steps in and starts powering up big time, including absorbing the Gamma radiation from the Hulk. Then does a tremendously powerful blast with a mushroom cloud to boot. The powering up was definitely cool. God i wish i could scan that pic so awesome.

Also during Inferno, i think he just kills Blockbuster outright with a plasma bolt. Pretty much saying, enough of this shit i am so over holding back from now on.

Karl J. Barnes

04-22-2005, 07:53 AM

http://alyxchance.com/iheartflight.JPG

Nice one Chad.

Flight

04-23-2005, 02:19 PM

Really, corny though it may be, that first Havok costume is so striking. I think an artist needs to get back to that original mostly black costume, and maybe modify it somehow. I've always liked all of Havok's costumes EXCEPT for this PAD X-Factor one. It was too... 90's.
I really like Larroca's current costume though. Wouldn't change it.
This thread gives me a good idea. We should have random character appreciation threads featuring one and only one character. Now we just need a name...a name... No... Then this thread wouldn't be special...

And thanks Chad! That pic is amaaaazing! I heart you too Havok

And yes Jesse Newcomb, the thread title was inspirid by I Heart Huckabees

nubly

04-23-2005, 06:48 PM

http://alyxchance.com/iheartflight.JPG

i dont know...by the look on his face it seems that he and iceman had a tender moment

nubly

04-23-2005, 06:51 PM

ALex needs someone like Emma to shake up his world view. Lorna, like Jean, has been too attached to one person and I think needs to find someone else. Bobby must admit that he is pining over the death of Northstar, so he can heal....seriously Bobby needs to grow up and move on to someone more his speed,like......um who IS Bobby's speed??

i always liked opal. i was disappointed when they wrote her off the stories

Neolucifer

04-23-2005, 11:14 PM

Originally Posted by priestvyrce
ALex needs someone like Emma to shake up his world view. Lorna, like Jean, has been too attached to one person and I think needs to find someone else.

Dont agree about alex needing someone to shake his world . Once again Lorna aint a Jean clone . She even sometimes get the bitch treatment , and got issues from both her personnality ,her past , and her powers , that alone would give depth to the most blank characters . Alex also aint no cyclops , and his jealousy over his brother , and his doubts about his own leadership skills , alone give him depth .
Those two cant imo be compared to "mr dull" and "miss perfect wife" , obviously boring when paired together , for not that few people .

pirulaso

04-24-2005, 10:27 PM

x-factor was my favorite comic when it was that stage. havok, rahne all of them were great.
i liked when his new suit but without that glass vizor thing. (like in the draco)
where's random? i thought he was awesome when he was a hired gun.
i dont mind nurse anne so much considering polaris was a psycho when they reintroduced her.

Sheldon

04-25-2005, 09:07 AM

Havok is a lovely chap.

Flight

04-27-2005, 12:37 PM

Havok is a lovely chap. Yes Sheldon, thats right.

Which writer does everyone think portrayed their favourite Havok?
Claremont? Peter David? Howard Mackie? Chuck Austen?

Atom_basher

04-27-2005, 12:54 PM

Havok is right next to Cyclops and Polaris as my least favorite xmen

Flight

04-27-2005, 12:55 PM

Havok is right next to Cyclops and Polaris as my least favorite xmen Then this thread isn't for you. Bye bye.

Deus ex Chris

04-27-2005, 01:05 PM

Which writer does everyone think portrayed their favourite Havok? Claremont? Peter David? Howard Mackie? Chuck Austen?

Well, I enjoyed Chuck Austen's Havok right up until he brought him out of his coma. ;)

King Alpha

04-27-2005, 04:36 PM

bakla

04-27-2005, 04:41 PM

Yes Sheldon, thats right.

Which writer does everyone think portrayed their favourite Havok?
Claremont? Peter David? Howard Mackie? Chuck Austen?
PAD for me. You?

DDM

04-27-2005, 05:26 PM

Roy Thomas, Chris Claremont, & Peter David

Nightcrawler

04-27-2005, 05:27 PM

Havok is cool. He really needs to do some team-leading.

DDM

04-27-2005, 05:38 PM

Havok needs a good artist just to update his original Havok costume!

Tenebrae

04-27-2005, 06:02 PM

Y'know, I really thought I'd written more in this thread before my last post which is why I didn't elaborate more but... apparently not. So, here goes! :D

Havok's original costume is one of my favourite costumes ever. The elaborate (for its time) headpiece is such a great counterpoint to that sleek and deceptively stylish solid black suit, and the power rings on his chest really enhanced it too. I always really liked how he was drawn just a little slimmer to increase the impact of the solid black. I love it when that original idea is incorporated into whatever costume he's wearing at the time. And actually, I'd be cool with it if he returned to it without any tweaks, I think its a strong enough design that he could get away with it.

On the subject of him being a team leader, he currently is leading a squad in adjectiveless X-Men. I feel like his run in X-Factor developed him beyond the point where he needs to doubt his leadership abilities, but perhaps he feels more pressure in his current role, particularly considering his peers as X-team leaders are Storm and Cyclops. I like seeing his abilities as a leader developed, he has the potential to be as important a figure in those teams as folks like Scott, Ororo and even Charles. His self-confidence is the only thing that stops him taking that final step across the line to being an outstanding X-Men leader and figure in the mutant world. That very quality makes him a lot more human and endearing, though.

Aaaaand as for his love life. No Annie. Annie bad. I want to see him back with Lorna. I'm not sure if that's because he's always been with Lorna and it feels safe and snug to me, but, either way, I think their relationship remains really interesting, certainly moreso than, say, Rogue and Remy. Considering what the two characters have been through since they were last a stable couple in X-Factor, a reunion between them, tense but passionate, would be a great plotline to read. At this stage they would easily be the most interesting couple in the X-universe, in my opinion.

Mr. Jip

04-27-2005, 06:51 PM

Sorry, but Havok's character, together with Lorna's is F__KED UP and almost to the point of BEYOND REPAIR for me now. (together with Psylocke & Jean)

While i enjoyed Peter David & Pad's X-Factor, i really didn't get why Alex was picked to be the leader of that motley crew by Xavier??~ It was like, Yeah we've got Storm & your brother Cyclops leading REAL X-Men teams. Here, go lead your own "government-sponsored" team of 2nd class mutants.
WhaaaaaaaAAaaaat?~?~?
He was a freakin Genoshan magistrated before that.
And then just a reluctant X-Man during the Aussie Outback days, just like Dazzler, whom everyone thinks as a loser. So why isn't Havok a LOSER as well..?? He just tagged along coz the love-of-his-life then got possessed by Malice & led the Marauders. Now THAT was pure drama.
Storm & Wolvie led the silly bunch, with Psylocke (& Rogue in a few moments) showing leadership qualities. WhEN DiD HAVOk EVER SHOW LEADERSHIP QUALITIES BACK THEN~?~?~?
Not that i'm saying the kid ain't cut out to be an X-Man, coz the issue where he tracks down the X-Men (with Psylocke proposing to kill him in order to save him) , that was a STELLAR issue, & is to me, the DEFINITIVE HAVOK STORY as well. Showed his self-doubt & his physical & mental prowess. He was a GREAT reluctant hero, together with Ali & Dr. Cecelia Reyes.

Now with all that SHIT about Alex turning bad-ass evil (on purpose or faked? What? Puh-leez) then supposedly died in an explosion, only to have actually been sucked into a morbid dimension where he led a group of monsters & was in love with Maddie (No, i really don't care about titles where characters are stranded in alternate realities), then he came back coz his physical body was actually still intact & not blown to smithereens & was in a coma in some hospital but SOMEHOW NONE OF THE X-MEN bothered to doouble-check for corpses!~?? (WHAAAAAAAAAAT!??!?! Can we SPELL R.I.DICK.U.L.O.U.S.)
Then he was made LEADER of a squad of X-Men SIMPLY BECAUSE HE JUST WOKE FROM A COMA & WAS AVAILABLE & had the last name Summers~??!?!~~ (*ROLL EYES, i'm SURE Nightcrawler, Rogue, Gambit, Bishop, Shadowcat & even Angel or Husk make better leaders than HE DID. And he just woke from a freakin COMA~~!!!)
Then he dumped poor Lorna 5 minutes before saying their vows just because he fell in LOVE with a human NURSE because the nurse's SON had awesome psychic powers of subliminal suggestion.

For FUCK's sake, that's not storytelling.
That character is RUINED forever.
It really DOES NOT MAKE A DIFFERENCE TO ME whether he's blond & has abs & buns of steel, & looks HOT in speedos, short running shorts or demon-ripped loincloth.

REMOVE Alex & Lorna from the X-fold, let them be archaeo-geologists & occasionally kick butt. But there really isn't any redemption for them now.
Poor dears.
Blame the freakin writers.
It's not my fault.

nubly

04-27-2005, 07:20 PM

I thought it was cool when Random first apeared. Random was kicking the shit out of the team and Havok comes by and gives him a check with double the amount of whatever he was getting paid. And that was a PAD and Quasada X Factor.

didnt the team kicked his butt in later issues? i dislike it when they make a powerful character easy to beat.

King Alpha

04-27-2005, 09:24 PM

didnt the team kicked his butt in later issues? i dislike it when they make a powerful character easy to beat.

Random was cool when he first apeared and sort of "helped" XFactor. If I remembered correctly, he whissled to take down Raine, and generated a bigger tornado in the opposite direction of that girl who was generating a tornado. And he was quick enough to blast Pietro with is arm gun. But once PAD stopped writing the Character, Random turned into a character who was actually a kid who was lost and in torment or something. Same thing with Guido, when PAD wrote him he explained why he joked around all the time, because it hides his misery of his power. And he was a fun character who had a reason to joke. Writers after PAD liked to write about Guido being miserable and forgot about the joking part.

Back on Topic: Havok. Here's some other stories I thought Havok was cool, at the end of Mutant X, the narrator of the story said Havok was one of the most powerful Mutants. That's cool to hear. He was also smart enough to shoot the Hulk while the Hulk was in the middle of his jumps. He also killed Cyclops in the AOA universe even though their powers are supposed to not work against each other.

And if you didn't know I liked the PAD Havok the best. Give PAD the XMen book and he'll show you Havok's potential.

venuscameback

04-28-2005, 03:27 AM

Havok needs a good artist just to update his original Havok costume!

there ought to be a website devoted to naked and erotic and ordinary and XXX havok pics, which mixes published comics art with fan art

it would have a monthly prize for the poster who submits the best new piece of art of Flight & Havok ... entwined, judged by Bryn of course

and no, i'm not being sarcastic

venus

newscott

04-28-2005, 04:51 AM

Whats your favourite Havok moment/picture/issue/scene??
Where do you think Milligan is going to take him??
I need to know!

I love Havok

My favorite Havok moment is during Inferno.

Maddie has just gone of her rocker, the team is all violent and acting pretty nutty too, and he goes with her, because he promised he'd stand by her. That endeared me to him forever. Even though everyone else was hellbent on taking her down, he tried to talk to her and pull her back from the dark without violence.

Sheldon

04-28-2005, 05:47 AM

Havok needs to incorportate a codpiece in his new costume.....that would rock.

atoningunifex

04-28-2005, 06:35 AM

Havok needs to incorportate a codpiece in his new costume.....that would rock.

He wanted one. But it turns out that his seconday mutation was an amazingly large....package...and the codpiece ended up getting into rooms ten minutes before he did.

atoningunifex

04-28-2005, 06:37 AM

Havok needs a good artist just to update his original Havok costume!

There's not much there to update, DDM. ity's a black body stocking and a weird headpeice. There's not really much you can do with a black bodystocking and a weird headpeice. You can change the size of the ehadpiece or the shape. You can show a little skin. That's it, really.

jeangreydp

04-28-2005, 01:35 PM

kcekada

04-29-2005, 09:43 PM

I loved Havok & Polaris in the 1970s. I thought they were very visually appealing. I loved the way Havok's power looked in Uncanny X 100. Wow!

Lorna was equally beautiful in the metallic green costume and the purple Shiar costume.

I,too, had hoped they'd join the team. It's kind of sad that now that they have, they are written so poorly.

Jesse Newcomb

04-29-2005, 11:09 PM

I'm still all about Havok wearing the speedo.

This should be his new costume. Speedo from Inferno, anyone?

That thing is asking for a wardrobe malfunction. How did Marvel get away with the Comics Code Authority with Inferno. You think Maddy's costume raised enough eyebrows but Havok! Wow! Marvel was so much more randy in the eighties.

bakla

04-30-2005, 12:12 PM

There's not much there to update, DDM. ity's a black body stocking and a weird headpeice. There's not really much you can do with a black bodystocking and a weird headpeice. You can change the size of the ehadpiece or the shape. You can show a little skin. That's it, really.

I disagree. The fact that it's so simple invites one to add interesting details but retain its original intent (to look clean enough when the power signature is drawn with it), but that doesn't mean you can't update it. You identify motifs in the original costume: black silhouette, three bands from the headpiece, silver, a little touch of red from the (outdated) jewel, and run with it. I had to stop because I had too many costume ideas (and mixing and matchings details generates even more variations), but I just wanted to post a few to show that it CAN be updated if one thinks enough about it.

http://home.mindspring.com/~ggozum/havok_sketches.jpg

The Fury

04-30-2005, 01:05 PM

Bakla, there are so many reasons right now of why you rule.

The top right Costume there being one of them

Tenebrae

04-30-2005, 02:28 PM

So... much... goodness! Can't...choose... favourite! Argh!

Gorgeous designs, Bakla, I second Sir Fury in worshipping you. Just wowser. I think my favourite of those is maybe the top middle, but I keep changing my mind! Just spent far too long looking at them too...

venuscameback

04-30-2005, 02:33 PM

bakla

04-30-2005, 08:52 PM

my favourite's the top left, I think the costumes look less villainous when you can see Havok's hair.

The top righ tis a great cosutme design but I think it suits a villain much better than Havok.

BTW Bakla did you get my PM about those comic books?

venus
Thanks for the compliments, guys. Havok's such an easy character to get into IMO, and as a result I have way too many ideas for possible costumes for him.

I always liked the codename Havok - it conjures up a badass. In that sense, I thought an all-covered outfit could work, especially if, say, there was a plot point that delved into his losing control of his power, and needing a fully-covered suit to contain it. I like to imagine possible storylines to justify an outfit change. When I sketched that one out, I thought it looked similar to the old Venom/Spiderman outfit, and unintentional though that similarity was, it justified an ominous look for a hero since there was a precedent.

And yeah, venus,, I got the message. it's been a crazy few months. I'll have to dig up the comics and PM you back.

Holland

05-02-2005, 11:52 AM

Wowzer, you did those drawings? They're awesome.
I like Havok as a recurring character rather than a main X-Man. He's been written in the past as not wanting to be part of a mutant team yet other writers put him at the forefront of the books? That makes no sense to the character really.
Under Austen and Milligan recently, he always comes across as bored and depressed. He needs an exciting storyline. Or something new to possess him lol.

Flight

05-02-2005, 12:02 PM

He was BORED and DEPRESSED because he was with N*rse A*nie!!!!!!

Tre Styles

05-03-2005, 06:30 AM

Hey Flight, I'm pretty sure that you are a member of this site, but if not, I was thinking of you while I was there visting :cool: :
Havok (http://www.sirenscall.org/havok/)

Tre Styles

05-03-2005, 06:31 AM

DDM

05-03-2005, 09:03 AM

I liked when Havok led X-Factor, and Rahne had a crush on him. And he and Polaris were serious about each other. And Madrox was there. Strong Guy too. I also liked when Havok was drawn by Jim Lee during one of the crossovers where he was a Genoshan magistrate.(yeah it was mind control...AGAIn) He took on the X-Men almost by himself, IIRC. ;)

I loved when Psylocke stabbed Havok through his head with her psychic knife to break up the fight between Wolverine & Havok in Uncanny X-Men #271. Psylocke could not believe Havok became a Genoshan Magistrate. However, Claremont foreshadowed Havok would betray everyone & everything he held dear when Psylocke took control of his mind in the flashback scene in Uncanny X-Men #251. We found out Havok landed in Genosha in Uncanny X-Men #256, but we don't know the full story.

Flight

05-07-2005, 04:40 PM

The X-Axis have a new page about Havok!
Go >>here<< (http://www.thexaxis.com/indexes/backstory/Havok.htm)

Flight

05-07-2005, 04:41 PM

Double post...
Oh well

Cry Havok

Flight

05-27-2005, 03:18 AM

With talk of a new X-Factor series, what does everyone think about Havok & Polaris leaving X-Men and going to this book?
Would you want them there with the old team or do you think Milligan could handle them better?
Where is their proper place in the X-Books?

Vegetarian Goat

05-27-2005, 09:25 AM

I think Peter David would have a better handle on them, just because he's a old-time Havok handler. But i also think that Milligan should have his chance to get to know the characters, and really show us what he can do. So I vote to keep 'em where they are (for now).

Flight

08-24-2005, 03:35 PM

Isn't Havok just fab?
What does everyone think of his appearence in Ultimate X-Men so far?

Gaveedra 6

08-24-2005, 04:01 PM

I think he's acting like a tool in Ultimate X-Men. But that's fine. He's supposed to be kind of a f*ckup until he gets it together and becomes cool.

TheWolfOfAsgard

08-24-2005, 04:07 PM

They need the old Havok back in X-men. All this whining over Lorna and Bobby is too melodramatic even for Gone With Thw Wind. Where's the old Havok that didn't act like he wanted to be Lorna's little boytoy?

I mean really asking Emma to look into Lorna's mind?

Flight

08-26-2005, 08:51 AM

TheWolfOfAsgard

08-26-2005, 09:03 AM

http://www.sirenscall.org/havok/pg/albums/ultimate/06202.jpg

Flight I can't see the pic. What's it of?

Shellhead

08-26-2005, 10:20 AM

I admire a guy who has so much confidence that he could wear an eggbeater on his head and still be cool.

Christopher Ryan

08-27-2005, 09:03 AM

Gaveedra 6

08-27-2005, 10:33 AM

Those drawings are amazing Bakla~!
Marvel needs o hire you NOW!

Flight

08-27-2005, 11:27 AM

Hey, a bunch of fellow Havok fans, awesome! Meltdown was the pinnacle of Havokdom for sure my favorite 'moment'. I pray every night that PAD take Alex back under his wing in his upcoming X-factor book that'd be great Not a bunch, just one tootz.

I recieved issue 4 of Meltdown this morning in the mail which I bought off eBay! I finally have the greatest mini ever!

mastaflan

08-27-2005, 11:33 AM

He was my favorite X-men for a while. It really saddends me how they did him raw in the mid 90's and early 2000. I'm glad he's back.

PS I even liked him when He was Prelate Summers in the Age of Apocalypse. I wanted him to kill all the good guys heheheheheheh...

PrimalScream

08-27-2005, 11:59 AM

do u think he works better as a hero or a villain?i like him in between. i think he might go badass again.HAVOK rules!

Gingold

08-27-2005, 12:36 PM

I like Alex, though he's sort of the Fredo to Scott's Michael. I loved Meltdown, and the David X-Factor stuff. I don't know why they keep trying new costume designs for him. He's one of the few X-characters that actually has a really cool costume, keep the neal Neal Adams classic design. Since Alex has a thing for ladies who are a little south of sanity, I think it'd be cool if he and Wanda got together after all this House of M nonsense concludes.

SUPERECWFAN1

08-27-2005, 11:39 PM

I never really got into Havok as a charactor when he was with X-Factor , Mutant X or the Brotherhood. He just ...never did anything for me as a charactor.

It was like they were afraid to make him a strong leader at times. That he always had to be held back by Scott or Lorna. There was always something that stopped him from being " The Guy".

Then Chuck Austen got a hold of Alex. And he quickly made Havok that strong leader who matches to his own drummer. He cut the cord with Lorna , told Scott he was in charge of HIS TEAM and seemed destined to be the LEADER now.

And he was. Him,Warren,Nightcrawler,Juggernaunt,Iceman, and Lorna made a hell of a team. He didn't want to lead but he took over and lead them . You saw Havok as a charactor who showed his leadership.

Of course once Austen left , Peter Milligan came on and just torpedoed the Havok development that Austen had done. Now Havok's back to his bitch role. He's back beggin Lorna for the time of day and he's back taking orders from Scott's girlfriend right now.

Its clear Havok has fallen from grace. He'll never raise as far as what Austen did with him under Milligan. Its a shame too. The charactor was good , its just that Milligan can't write him or the X-Men worth a damn and he's blew someone who had potential. :(

tangentman

08-28-2005, 02:01 AM

A few of my favorite Havok moments:

Havok breaking into the Murderworld control room and sprawling across the computer panel with a sexy smirk at an astonished Miss Locke. Alex made short work of Locke & Chambers, didn't he?

The ordeal Havok endured when he sought out the X-Men even as Lorna fled the Marauders back in New Mexico.

Work out with Dazzler as the two pace each other in a mad jog through the Outback (the Nanny/Orphan-maker issue)

Psylocke kissing Havok before they go through the Siege Perilous a second time.

By the way, my favorite look on this thread ISN'T a Havok pic, but Nubly's avatar :D Yum!

Flight

08-28-2005, 09:50 AM

The charactor was good , its just that Milligan can't write him or the X-Men worth a damn and he's blew someone who had potential. :( Ok, I love Milligan but I'm going to have to agree with this.
What really was the point in having Havok, Polaris & Iceman in Bizarre Love Triangle at all?
Because they're on the team? Thats stupid!This is why I'd prefer the X-Books to go back to the Lobdell era way of thinking when every X-Man meshed together in both books and the ones who were needed for the story were in it only.
I liked the X-Men guest starring (even that sounds stupid, the entire X-Men guest-starring in the book called X-Men!!) in #174 and think that should be done more often.
Golgotha was fine because that was a team mission but BLT was about Rogue, Gambit, Mystique and to an extent Nightcrawler and Emma Frost. I saw no need for Havok, Polaris or Iceman to be there except to look foolish at their stupid love triangle that even I'm losing interest in!

darkchylde7

08-29-2005, 07:18 AM

Alex and Lorna should definitely be together if none of us can have him and Iceman should be with JP (wishful thinking i know, but i can dream)

TheWolfOfAsgard

08-29-2005, 08:46 AM

Lorna should go with Bobby since she obviously can't appreciate Alex, who my warped little mind would like to see hooking up with Betsy.:D

Gaveedra 6

08-29-2005, 11:53 AM

Lorna should go with Bobby since she obviously can't appreciate Alex, who my warped little mind would like to see hooking up with Betsy.:D
Their last act as X-Men together was when they kissed and then jumped into the Siege Perilous. Now that they're both under the same roof again, they could pick right up!
(Although I'd rather see her with Beast or Iceman)

But I think Havok needs to fly solo for a while. With all his relationships- Polaris, Maddie, Alternate Maddie, Nurse Annie, he alwasy ends up getting kind of shafted. I feel like only Cyclops has been as wrapped up with women over the years. The rest of the X-Men tend to be single alot more.

TheWolfOfAsgard

08-29-2005, 12:27 PM

Is Havok younger or older than Scott? I always thought he was younger but in Ultimate X he is older so apparently I have been wrong this whole time. Of course I might have gotten that impression ssimply because he isn't the tightass stick in the mud that Cyclops is?

Is he older?

Flight

08-29-2005, 12:32 PM

In the 616 Universe, Havok is younger than Scott but in the Ultimate Universe, it was mentioned that he is older but some people may think this may have been a typo...

TheWolfOfAsgard

08-29-2005, 12:34 PM

In the 616 Universe, Havok is younger than Scott but in the Ultimate Universe, it was mentioned that he is older but some people may think this may have been a typo...

Wonderful, I like Havok as the younger brother. Not the older one. Course I didn't really like the way Finch drew him in the New Mutants arc of Ultimate X. Magnetic North Havok looks alot better.

Thank you Flight.

We R. Venom

08-29-2005, 12:51 PM

Havok is great. He is my second favorite x-man. There are things about him I dont like, (now a days) But he is a great x-men and a great character. Extremely powerful. And He's a summers so...

Cowlander

08-29-2005, 12:57 PM

Havok >>>>> Life.

Havok for TEH WINNNNAARRR

Flight

08-29-2005, 04:25 PM

Havok >>>>> Life.

Havok for TEH WINNNNAARRR Ain't that the truth?

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a317/FlightHavok/Havok1.jpg

We R. Venom

08-30-2005, 01:43 PM

Ain't that the truth?

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a317/FlightHavok/Havok1.jpg

Thats my favorite seen from the entire run.

Flight

09-02-2005, 05:32 AM

Uncanny X-Men #339

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a317/FlightHavok/uncanny339.jpg

Merc with a Mouth

09-02-2005, 03:57 PM

Currently, in "X Men" he seems slightly dull, he doesn't bring much to the team. I liked him and the nurse in Uncanny a while back that was a good story arc.

Neolucifer

09-02-2005, 07:20 PM

Well i remember shouting like a damned in the house "Die Nurse annie !! Die B...CH ! :D ...

Cant stand that character , and i still want Polaris and Havok back together..

Sheldon

09-02-2005, 08:16 PM

I fear Carter's evil manipulations will haunt Havok for years to come.....

Bart Simpson

09-02-2005, 08:30 PM

He finally went out of Scott's shadow in X-factor, and lead admirably. However he has since been regulated to sac-o-silicone's lackey almost. :(

Tag06

09-02-2005, 10:07 PM

Havok is my Summers brother, and always will. Scott he's displeased me these past few years. :)

Flight

09-03-2005, 12:11 PM

However he has since been regulated to sac-o-silicone's lackey almost. :( LOL This made me laugh.

Flight

09-05-2005, 06:52 AM

Mutant X #17

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a317/FlightHavok/mutantx17.jpg

blue13

09-05-2005, 10:55 AM

He finally went out of Scott's shadow in X-factor, and lead admirably. However he has since been regulated to sac-o-silicone's lackey almost. :(

he went out of scott's shadow in x-factor?

i don't think leading x-men-lite is getting out of someone's shadow.

the problem with havok, especially written by milligan, is that he's portrayed as a jerk...jealous of iceman and lorna...but it was fine when he ditched lorna for annie, right?

and his issues with scott are somewhat irritating ("you're confusing me with my brother")...not EVERYONE can be a leader. no, alex, NOBODY is confusing you for scott.

Bart Simpson

09-05-2005, 06:29 PM

Neolucifer

09-05-2005, 06:50 PM

he went out of scott's shadow in x-factor?

i don't think leading x-men-lite is getting out of someone's shadow.

the problem with havok, especially written by milligan, is that he's portrayed as a jerk...jealous of iceman and lorna...but it was fine when he ditched lorna for annie, right?

and his issues with scott are somewhat irritating ("you're confusing me with my brother")...not EVERYONE can be a leader. no, alex, NOBODY is confusing you for scott

Er well , yes he did got out of his shadow starting with X factor . X men lite ? ok then lets agree with that silly description of X factor .. but now i wonder if Scott would have faired so well with such a "lite xmen team"...

Wich is the easier ,leading the perfect team of "soldiers" likes Storm , Beast , Colossus , Kitty , nightcrawler , etc etc , all the time , with one major trouble maker :Wolverine , or leading X factor , then The Six and his current X-men team ? Especially when his rooster is quite badly written (himself included) and filled with angst under Austen/Milligan :D ...

Besides he definitely proven his worth , and definitely went out of Scott's shadow during Mutant X , as a powerful mutant , and as a good enough leader .

Anyway i'm just afraid that ,when milligan finally moves out and someone better steps in , the new writer would get him out of the team , or his position of leader , because of his jerk attitude , and confidences issues that werent that strong , and should be dead anyway by now .

Flight

09-13-2005, 11:48 AM

Factor X #4

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a317/FlightHavok/factorx4.jpg

Flight

09-21-2005, 04:37 PM

Uncanny X-Men # 270

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a317/FlightHavok/uncanny270.jpg

fishtaco

09-21-2005, 04:38 PM

Both great issues.

The Lucky One

09-21-2005, 04:48 PM

I hear Havok wishes he were cool like Longshot. But then he remembers he's not and he cries. Cry Havok, cry.

-D

Flight

11-10-2005, 07:50 AM

So Havok is definitely keeping his powers after House of M - Hoorar!
To celebrate, here's a picture of him after hearing the news!!

http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Zone/4005/heroes/havok1.gif

Flight

12-28-2005, 01:27 PM

Here's a treat for all you Havok fans - Its Alex in the new issue of X-Men!!
How do you feel about Havok supposedly leaving the X-Men?!

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a317/FlightHavok/havok.jpg

Gaveedra 6

12-28-2005, 02:09 PM

Here's a treat for all you Havok fans - Its Alex in the new issue of X-Men!!
How do you feel about Havok supposedly leaving the X-Men?!

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a317/FlightHavok/havok.jpg
If he's leaving the X-Men to go hang out in the jungle in ripped clothes, then hells yeah.

Cowlander

12-29-2005, 12:16 PM

I hear Havok wishes he were cool like Longshot. But then he remembers he's not and he cries. Cry Havok, cry.

-D
...step awayyyyy from the haterade........

Erik Lehnsherr

12-29-2005, 07:33 PM

Yes I do miss the X-Factor days of Havok and Polaris carrying the book on their backs. I wouldn't mind reading a good Havok limited right now since my pull list seems to be a little low these days.

Hiromi

12-29-2005, 08:15 PM

Here's a treat for all you Havok fans - Its Alex in the new issue of X-Men!!
How do you feel about Havok supposedly leaving the X-Men?!

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a317/FlightHavok/havok.jpg

That was a fuggin awesome scene.

Thug: Th-the knife...it's...it's melted right into my hand!

Alex with a badass look on his face: That must hurt.

kcekada

12-30-2005, 11:10 AM

Yes I do miss the X-Factor days of Havok and Polaris carrying the book on their backs.

I hope the make an appearance in the new X-Factor -- just so readers can see that these characters are interesting (especially as written by Peter David).

Claremone usually did a good job with Alex and Lorna also. Afraid, I can't say the same for Austen or Milligan.

Uncle Nobs

12-30-2005, 12:33 PM

Havok's not in X3. Let's start a whole new thread about it.

TheWolfOfAsgard

12-30-2005, 12:34 PM

Havok's not in X3. Let's start a whole new thread about it.

*offers Uncle a bottle of Scotch and a handful of Valium* You seem to need them way more than me.;)

Uncle Nobs

12-30-2005, 12:38 PM

Grr...

Can we discuss the whole "Havok" vs. "Havoc" thing now? Just what are we teaching our children?

Brian M.

12-30-2005, 12:39 PM

*offers Uncle a bottle of Scotch and a handful of Valium* You seem to need them way more than me.;)

*grabs the scotch before it could be handed off.

I'll take this.

TheWolfOfAsgard

12-30-2005, 12:40 PM

Grr...

Can we discuss the whole "Havok" vs. "Havoc" thing now? Just what are we teaching our children?

As long as we can add Magick vs Magic vs Magik in there too.

And you don't want the answer to what's being taught. I think sex ed is high on the list with a lot of one to one time with the students

TheWolfOfAsgard

12-30-2005, 12:41 PM

*grabs the scotch before it could be handed off.

I'll take this.

Fine. I bought it off a homeless drunk. Not even sure if it is Scotch. That's just what he told me. No label.

Brian M.

12-30-2005, 12:46 PM

Fine. I bought it off a homeless drunk. Not even sure if it is Scotch. That's just what he told me. No label.

Either way I'll turn it into pee.

TheWolfOfAsgard

12-30-2005, 12:47 PM

Either way I'll turn it into pee.

You are a nasty dirty little man.:eek:

Brian M.

12-30-2005, 12:47 PM

You are a nasty dirty little man.:eek:

HEY I'm not little.

TheWolfOfAsgard

12-30-2005, 12:48 PM

HEY I'm not little.

I don't have evidence to the contrary on that area.

Flight

12-30-2005, 12:48 PM

Well I've just read X-Men 180 and I frikkin' loved it!
Havok & Po on the road... its like my Ultimate Mini-Series come true. And in a damn core X-Book no less!!
Hoorar for Milligan!

But there's something troubling me, fellow Havok fans... I've been having these "thoughts". Very depressing thoughts.
Let me explain...

CBR is my Havok haven.
Even if Marvel killed him off (oh, believe me they've tried!!), I would still come here and worship at the shrine of Alex Summers.
But the whole X-Men thing just isn't working these days. I was thrilled to pieces when Austen brought him back and was even more thrilled when he woke up out of his coma and became leader of a squad.
But I started to hate it. I started to become irate at how he was being treated.
At first he was the so called "leader" of the Uncanny X-Men team. But did he lead much? Um, no. Nobody listened to him during The Draco and he wasn't even in She Lies With crappy Angels.
He's become even more imcompetant in X-Men and the past few months, I've seen members laugh at how he has been Cyclops bitchboi pre-Decimation.
Then I read #180 and he stood up for himself cause of Lorna. This was the Havok I loved!! The Havok I've admired for so long. This was the Havok I wanted to read about each week!! But... that's my problem. Its being in the X-Man that is holding his character back.
When Havok & Polaris are away from the X-Men they are at their best. And I hate to say this... they're better off not being in any book.
It saddens me to say this but I love Haovk more when he's not in the X-Men.
I think its time Milligan wrote him and Polaris out. Even though it would break my heart into a million pieces not to see him every month. :(

Flight

12-30-2005, 12:50 PM

What the hell? Stop spamming my Havok thread!!
Don't you have X-Cres to talk rubbish in? I created this to talk Havok only.

Brian M.

12-30-2005, 12:51 PM

What the hell? Stop spamming my Havok thread!!
Don't you have X-Cres to talk rubbish in? I created this to talk Havok only.

I did I was talking about urine. It summarizes my new feels of the character. Whether he was poorly written or not it's still the direction the character is going in and I hate it.

Black Hole

12-30-2005, 03:24 PM

I used to really like this character, when he was a reluctant hero. But now, with his whining over Lorna and his insecurity and obvious failure to lead it's all a little too much. They really should get rid of him for a good long while and then re-introduce him after we forget about this horrible period in the character's life.

That said, I LOVED the Meltdown series, I thought it kicked so much ass. That was the first comic I had really seen illustrated/painted in that way and it just made the whole thing so powerful. I especially loved the scene where they were trying subliminal suggestion on him through a television set, but because of Xavier's training he was subconsciously resisting it (he didn't know what they were trying to do), and he became upset and destroyed the tv.

However my all time favorite Havok scene was where Psylocke and Wolverine first discovered him to be a magistrate of Genosha. Havok thought they had harmed his girlfriend, so over the course of a few panels, he dramatically powers up, and then unleashes an incredible blast as he screams "...I'll make you PAY!!" -just as Wolverine dodges it and jumps him. Just beautifully drawn by Jim Lee.

I loved that old Neal Adams costume. It hasn't been matched yet. I don't know whose idea it was with those 90's "gauntlets" over the black, but that was such an eyesore. Now that I think about it, whoever was drawing during Austen's run put some form of ridiculous armor over the top of the black spandex suit. I also don't care for the whole "Tron" thing that has been going on recently. these guys just don't get it...

The Mirrorball Man

12-30-2005, 03:41 PM

It saddens me to say this but I love Haovk more when he's not in the X-Men.
I completely agree. My favorite era for Havok was a looooong time ago, when he was not part of the team and he only had a cameo every other year or so. He's a great background character.

Porcelain

12-30-2005, 04:39 PM

xakko

12-30-2005, 04:49 PM

It saddens me to say this but I love Haovk more when he's not in the X-Men.
I think its time Milligan wrote him and Polaris out. Even though it would break my heart into a million pieces not to see him every month. :(I thought Alex was at his strongest in X-Factor. He had some good moments in Mutant X, mind you, but those delightful issues as he actually dealt with things and grew as a character?

Could he be second banana to Jamie in the new X-Factor? I dunno. I doubt it, but I would love to see him under PAD's pen again.

kcekada

12-30-2005, 08:38 PM

This was the Havok I loved!! The Havok I've admired for so long. This was the Havok I wanted to read about each week!! But... that's my problem. Its being in the X-Man that is holding his character back.
When Havok & Polaris are away from the X-Men they are at their best. And I hate to say this... they're better off not being in any book.

You may have a point. Some of their best moments were as guest stars in the X-Men stories, the Hulk and Marvel Team-Up. Of course, they were being handled by competent writers.

I haven't been buying X-Men much -- in spite of my love for H&P. They were just written so poorly, that I couldn't bring myself to support this run. And why is Lorna still dressed in that Japanese get-up?! GRRR!!!

I did put this issue in my bin for next week...mainly because from paging through the issue...it appeared that Alex and Lorna had more page time than they've received since entering this misbegotten book. The art was a nice change...I like Larocca, but his art has been very sedate of late. Cruz's work had more enthusiasm.

Oh, and put me down in the camp who believes that the Neal Adams Havok costume was still the best. Only he, Cockrum and Byrne ever drew it correctly ---with the bullseye being a 3-dimensional engery signature, and not a piece of the costume. I'd like to see it return...but without the metal prongs. And I'd love to see a Marvel Legends figure featuring the Adams costume (and Polaris in either the emerald green costume or purple Shi'ar threads).

Asian Knight

12-30-2005, 10:35 PM

My favorite Havok moment is when he aided the X-Men. Around the time when Cameron Hodge first gave Bobby the belt that aided in the control of his powers. As that was the first time that I realized that Alex & Scott's powers wouldn't work on each other.

Another one was when he wore the original black and white costume. The one with the power rating meter upon the chest. And those three white things sticking to the top of his costumed head.

SUPERECWFAN1

12-31-2005, 01:34 AM

The Havok I loved was written by Austen. He led the team on most missions. He was the guy in charge with Warren and Kurt following his lead. I think Havok was truelly a charactor then.

I'll always remember the Chuck Austen for when Havok was a man. Not the Milligan run where he became something of a toy so Milligan could throw all his charactor development out in favor of writing him 10 years ago.

Man....I'll come back when Milligan leaves. The whole Alex/Lorna thing was forced as hell and done to appease fan boys so they'll love his run. Wrong....its still shit.

Spirit of vengeance

12-31-2005, 09:57 AM

Havok is pretty fit.

He take off his clothes a lot.

The two things together gain my approval.

Hi-Fi

12-31-2005, 10:14 AM

Havok is pretty fit.

He take off his clothes a lot.

The two things together gain my approval.

You are so going to be Flight new best friend. :)

Spirit of vengeance

12-31-2005, 10:23 AM

You are so going to be Flight new best friend. :)

Who's Flight?

Nick Kal

12-31-2005, 10:24 AM

Havok is not as cool as Cyclops. :mad:

Hi-Fi

12-31-2005, 10:27 AM

Who's Flight?

The creator of this thread and Havok's bigger fan.

Spirit of vengeance

12-31-2005, 10:32 AM

The creator of this thread and Havok's bigger fan.

Thanks. Fortunately Havok has enough love to share.

Uncle Nobs

12-31-2005, 11:57 AM

I found a nice-looking Havok custom action figure online here. (http://afigures.com/g/?mode=view&album=Customs%2FMarvel_By_Darthleon&pic=7.jpg&dispsize=800&start=0) Be sure to click on the 'next' button to see multiple views. (Too bad it's that costume, though.

For you, Flight. *smek* Just imagine keeping li'l Havok in your pocket all day long.

Pepsigirl

12-31-2005, 12:02 PM

http://64.34.172.56/g/albums/Customs/Marvel_By_Darthleon/9.jpg

!!!

Davideaux

12-31-2005, 12:07 PM

I miss Havok's old loopy headgear.

Also, I like Havok so much I'm always mispelling 'havoc'.

Flight

01-01-2006, 08:42 AM

Dammit, I can't see the link or Pepsi's pic!

kcekada

01-01-2006, 12:38 PM

Havok is pretty fit.

He take off his clothes a lot.

The two things together gain my approval.

Very lame. He's a friggin comics character!!! And what super hero isn't fit, may I ask?

Faded

01-01-2006, 02:26 PM

Wow that action figure looks so nice! Though the side view looks kinda weird...

Flight

01-02-2006, 05:11 PM

Very lame. He's a friggin comics character!!! And what super hero isn't fit, may I ask? Now, now!
We all have our... "fetishes!"

venuscameback

01-02-2006, 06:01 PM

Very lame. He's a friggin comics character!!! And what super hero isn't fit, may I ask?

sheesh who rattled your cage? what do you expect folk to be saying in a thread called I Heart Havok?

especially when that character is pretty hot ...

venus

Spirit of vengeance

01-03-2006, 10:35 AM

Now, now!
We all have our... "fetishes!"

A Havok fetish is the sign of a healthy mind

Dan

Flight

01-29-2006, 08:03 AM

OMGZ!

Havok killed Doop! Discuss.

larroca fan

01-29-2006, 08:07 AM

i loved it when he blasted that alien he must of felt so annoyed because doop made lorna crazy. i would of done the same if i were him and his powers went crazy and almost outta control like they did when he.... i forgot what the story was maybe x-factor.

Neolucifer

01-29-2006, 08:07 AM

I'll forever thank him for that . i'll even worship Havok more , if that was even possible .

Still in a great milligan way , Havok killing Poo had no sense whatsoever ... i've yet to find someone who could explain it to me !
So the Leper queen is holding Polaris with a knife , but he focus his attention upon a giant lump and kill it ?

Flight

01-29-2006, 08:09 AM

i loved it when he blasted that alien he must of felt so annoyed because doop made lorna crazy. Genosha being destroyed made Lorna crazy.
Havok ditching her at the alter made her crazier.
Doop made her craziest.

larroca fan

01-29-2006, 08:11 AM

yer thats what i meant, she went crazy ages ago and doop just finished her off.

Twigglet

01-29-2006, 08:14 AM

and doop just finished her off.

I really need to read this issue.

larroca fan

01-29-2006, 08:20 AM

you'll probarbly need pain killers to look at cruz art.

Neolucifer

01-29-2006, 08:26 AM

nah this was an awesome match ... crappy writer hand in hand with crappy art .. the beauty of total synch and harmony !!

Btw i've read the issue again , and noticed that panel where he threw off the leper Queen , as i probably was entralled by Daap's mysteriousness :D

Neolucifer

02-03-2006, 04:35 PM

Holy Frickin' Hamster !!!! Havok (confirmed) and Polaris are back in Brubaker's Uncanny Xmen !!! May the gods be properly Thanked !!! Lets sacrifice goats and young virgins !!!

Flight

02-03-2006, 04:36 PM

Excuse me, I do the announcements in this thread...

Don't mean to piss on your chips Neo, but I highly doubt Polaris is gonna be in the book. She's depowered and they've played the 'get powers back' card with Iceman.

Neolucifer

02-03-2006, 04:42 PM

Sorry !! I'd be actually shouting it over every threads if not for the threat of a ban :D .

rilokyle

02-06-2006, 05:30 PM

Alex and Lorna are by far my favorite X-Men, and I agree, I LOVED X-Men 180 and 181 because it was just them. Awwww, 180 was especially cute and when they were both looking out at the sunset..... soooo romantic. I really really really want them to get back together ASAP, and it'd be really nice if Lorna got her powers and ended up on Havok's team again. I hated how they were always given the shaft in the x-books, with exceptions for their stint with X-Factor. I was so happy to find them back with the X-Men though, as Alex hasn't been an official "x-men" since Uncanny 151, while poor Polaris was last an X-Men in like Uncanny 94 where she quit! So unfair.

So yeah, I totally love Alex. He's definately a hottie, even for a comic book character. ;)

Flight

02-09-2006, 01:01 PM

Welcome Rilokyle.

Havok is back at the school. This is awesome news.
Too bad Apocalypse's Sphinx just pulled up on the backyard looking all menacing.

Hi-Fi

02-09-2006, 02:00 PM

I'm worried for Lorna. Mike Marts said bad things about her future in the chat.

Sentinel K

02-09-2006, 02:06 PM

I'm worried for Lorna. Mike Marts said bad things about her future in the chat.

I wasn't. Cos I thought Deadly genesis took place after BoA. But Marts says it happens before, so..........Now I am worried. :eek:

Hi-Fi

02-09-2006, 02:08 PM

I wasn't. Cos I thought Deadly genesis took place after BoA. But Marts says it happens before, so..........Now I am worried. :eek:

Exactly. Her role in Deadly Genesis happens before the whole Apocalypse thing.

rilokyle

02-10-2006, 12:01 AM

we should like totally start a "FREE LORNA" campaign. we could wear shirts and make green cupcakes. mmmm.

The Sword Is Drawn

02-10-2006, 02:49 AM

we should like totally start a "FREE LORNA" campaign. we could wear shirts and make green cupcakes. mmmm.

Well that's the most surreal comment I've heard all week... :D

I love both Alex and Lorna. It narks me that for certain chunks of X-Men history they were almost made into Scott and Jean lite. They shouldn't be even compared that way. Totally different characters.

I have to say I was greatly disappointed with the way Milligan was writing these two, I felt he had left them feeling totally two dimensional, right up to his making them leave the team.

And then I was pleasantly surprised to find out, when he was writing them on their own, they were great! Proper character interaction. Almost made me nostalgic for X-Factor... :D

What's all that about? A fine time to start getting it right Mr Milligan, after you've already been axed...

Alex A Sanchez

02-15-2006, 11:46 AM

Well, my favorite Havok moment is in X-Factor #81 when he drinks poison for Strong Guy (read the issue if you don't understand). That was the pivital moment when he proved himself as a leader, won the respect of his team, and also set into motion the plan that would lead to X-Factor's first actual victory. :D

Brian M.

02-15-2006, 11:51 AM

My Favorite Havok moment will be when he meets brother #3. Not only will he be in Scott's shadow but this other Brother already seems better then him. Pook Havok, first he was #2 now he'll be #3.

TheWolfOfAsgard

02-15-2006, 12:06 PM

My Favorite Havok moment will be when he meets brother #3. Not only will he be in Scott's shadow but this other Brother already seems better then him. Pook Havok, first he was #2 now he'll be #3.

Pook Havok? What?

And whether its 1st, 2nd, or 3rd...he's still the best looking one.

Flight

02-15-2006, 02:50 PM

Havok has been confirmed at joining the Uncanny cast (yay!)
Here's the first preview art of Brubakers run featuring Havok and some other folk:

http://www.newsarama.com/JoeFridays/JF36art/promo.jpg

Blood of the Apocalypse continues next week. The cover for #183 hasn't been released yet but Havok does feature on 2 of the upcoming covers...

http://images.comicbookresources.com/solicits/marvel032006/big/XMEN184_col.jpg http://images.comicbookresources.com/solicits/marvelcomics/200605/XMEN186_col.jpg

Mitsaso

02-15-2006, 02:59 PM

Isn't that Sunfire cover supposed to be for issue #183?

Flight

02-15-2006, 03:00 PM

Isn't that Sunfire cover supposed to be for issue #183? No, its #184.

rilokyle

02-15-2006, 09:20 PM

Pook Havok? What?

And whether its 1st, 2nd, or 3rd...he's still the best looking one.

Fact.

He's a total hunk lol.

Novaya Havoc

02-15-2006, 09:38 PM

Fact.

He's a total hunk lol.

Seconded. ;)

LoneWolf21

02-15-2006, 09:44 PM

I think Havok needs to go back doing what he does best: Going bad for almost every big crossover/event.

Evil Havok o'clock!

Alex A Sanchez

02-16-2006, 12:21 PM

I'm enjoying the new X-Factor series, but I realized that the team isn't the same without Havok. Strong Guy made most of his best comments/quips in response to Havok's serious battle commands. It was the ultimate contrast: Alex the X-Man, serious and powerful with Guido the 3rd string goofball with a wacky power. And it worked! They even developed a mutual respect for each other, despite their bickering.

That's why I (heart) havok.

TheWolfOfAsgard

02-16-2006, 12:22 PM

I think Havok needs to go back doing what he does best: Going bad for almost every big crossover/event.

Evil Havok o'clock!

That is true. He always works better as a bad guy. Much more interesting.

rilokyle

02-16-2006, 09:13 PM

I dunno. I get so tired of him and Polaris being turned evil and brainwashed for long periods of time and blahblahblah. But I agree, sometimes he comes off as wimpy and dull lately, but I think it depends on the writer. I really enjoyed Alex and Lorna and how they were written in X-Men 180-181: on their own and more than two-dimensional. Loves it.

Flight

03-01-2006, 04:39 PM

Cry Havok!!

Mr. Jip

03-02-2006, 02:30 PM

BYE, HAVOK!!

Bubbye.

Neolucifer

03-02-2006, 03:52 PM

VIVA HAVOK !!!

Pepsigirl

03-02-2006, 04:18 PM

BYE, HAVOK!!

Bubbye.

I love how Jip just disappears for weeks (or months) on end, and then just magically reappears.

Mr. Jip

03-03-2006, 02:44 AM

I love how Jip just disappears for weeks (or months) on end, and then just magically reappears.

i love you too~~~~!!!!!!!!!! ;) :cool: :p :D

Flight

06-07-2006, 04:57 AM

I love my very own Havok thread...

http://hyperion2000.free.fr/Bios/Havok(MX).JPG

DoubleShot

06-07-2006, 05:21 AM

I love my very own Havok thread...

I love how his costume doesn't make him look like a blue condom like his brother, Cyclops.

Flight

06-07-2006, 07:20 AM

I love how his costume doesn't make him look like a blue condom like his brother, Cyclops. Hehe... you're such a bitch!! I love it.
And yes, I thought his Mutant X costume was fabulous! Would have been nice in a shade of black but the way it showed off his proportions... mm!

Barnaby

06-07-2006, 07:49 AM

Anyone knows in what comics "the Return of the Living Monolith" appeared? It was drawn by Mark Silvestri... and i think the Avengers also appear.

Flight

06-08-2006, 06:52 AM

Uncanny X-Men #58

http://uncannyxmen.net/covers/uncanny/uncanny58.jpg

Jack Flash

06-08-2006, 06:57 AM

screw Havok. I Heart Flight!

Flight

06-08-2006, 07:04 AM

screw Havok. I Heart Flight! Aww, two great comments in one sentance.

Some people have been asking where my avatar is from. Here's the bigger picture:

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a317/FlightHavok/pohav.jpg

Its from X-Men #175 drawn by Salvador Larroca when Havok & Polaris were battling mutant crocodiles! What an adventure.

bakla

06-08-2006, 08:36 AM

Uncanny X-Men #58

http://uncannyxmen.net/covers/uncanny/uncanny58.jpg

I loved that cover. Havok was always one of the cooler X-men to me with that insanely different costume and great power sig. I think Dave Cockrum loved it too and paid homage to it with his Molecule Master design over at The Legion way before he did the (then) All New, All Different Uncanny X-men.

Kal

06-08-2006, 01:13 PM

What a horrible character....so much potential wasted.....he will always be a second-hand Cyclops.

Flight

06-08-2006, 01:27 PM

What a horrible character....so much potential wasted.....he will always be a second-hand Cyclops. Did anyone ask for your useless negative opinion...?

NO!

Bog off!

Barnaby

06-08-2006, 02:42 PM

Thanks fro the answer, but in fact i made a mistake... i was looking for the "Revenge of the Living Monolith" drawn by Silvestri, and that's a Graphic Novel, correct?

Flight

06-08-2006, 03:18 PM

Thanks fro the answer, but in fact i made a mistake... i was looking for the "Revenge of the Living Monolith" drawn by Silvestri, and that's a Graphic Novel, correct? I think this is what you're looking for:

http://www.comiccovers.com/watermark.php?src=comiccovers-280/Revenge%20Of%20The%20Living%20Monolith%20%5bMarvel %5d%20OS1/0001.jpg

Kal

06-09-2006, 02:20 AM

Did anyone ask for your useless negative opinion...?

NO!

Bog off!

Ooooooooh she is pissed.....I guess it's that time of the month ;)

twilight

06-09-2006, 03:17 AM

Ooooooooh she is pissed.....I guess it's that time of the month ;)

Well he kinda has a right to be.

This is a thread for Havok fans to come together and talk about the character and you coming in and saying negative things is essentially trolling.

Barnaby

06-09-2006, 03:18 AM

I think this is what you're looking for:

http://www.comiccovers.com/watermark.php?src=comiccovers-280/Revenge%20Of%20The%20Living%20Monolith%20%5bMarvel %5d%20OS1/0001.jpg

bingo! That's it! ;)

Flight

06-20-2006, 02:49 PM

Mikl C

06-20-2006, 04:11 PM

Nice cover.. but why is polaris like.. so much larger than Alex? Especially with him being in the foreground :s

Madrox84

06-20-2006, 04:22 PM

Are newbies allowed to post here?

Because i wanted to say i love that cover, it's about time Havok got a cover.

Flight

06-20-2006, 04:26 PM

Are newbies allowed to post here?

Because i wanted to say i love that cover, it's about time Havok got a cover. With fantastic posts like that you can, yes!!

Brian M.

06-20-2006, 04:28 PM

Havok and Polaris = Marvel's new cornerstone couple

If I can't have my Scott/Jean I'll take my Alex/Lorna anyday.

An Average Madri

06-20-2006, 04:41 PM

As a huge Iceman fan, I'm expected to say no, i don't like havok. (kidding ofcourse) But i think he's a very cool character and I've always thought he's had the coolest looking costumes! And a suprising title that i LOVED to read was the Mutant X series!

And what happened between the relationship i saw between Iceman and Polaris, has that gone the drain?

Kal

06-20-2006, 05:02 PM

Well he kinda has a right to be.

This is a thread for Havok fans to come together and talk about the character and you coming in and saying negative things is essentially trolling.

Oh come on I was only kidding! :p I like Havok.....but I do think he's underused and under-developed and always in the shadow of his brother.

Forgive me Flight!!!!!! :D

Madrox84

06-20-2006, 05:30 PM

With fantastic posts like that you can, yes!!

Oh good, because Havok has always been one of my favourite X-People.

Mariah

06-20-2006, 05:36 PM

I love the cover, but what is up with Polaris' eye brows? Lorna, baby, you need to pluck that

An Average Madri

06-23-2006, 06:35 PM

What happened to Iceman and Polaris??! When did Havok take her away again?

rilokyle

06-23-2006, 11:09 PM

Well, Havok (and Polaris) fans, here is the newest cover to Uncanny...

http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/Sept06/covers/uncx478_covcol.jpg

Wow!!! Amazing. Polaris's costume is bangin'!
Can't remember the last time these two got a good Uncanny cover.
Havok last got a solo cover on Uncanny X-Men 425 and Polaris got solo on 426 (Sacred Vows pt 1 & 2).
They were on the team cover to 437 and Po was in the background of 443 (Austen's last uncanny issue). They were on no other covers in Uncanny during the '00's. Bout time they got their due.
This makes me VERY happy. FINALLY, a cover devoted soley to Havok and Polaris (excluding Milligan's X-Men run of course). I really like the way Tan drew Alex's face- he's looking pretty bangin' if I do say so myself. I REALLY really hope we see a Havok/Polaris reunion, because we are long overdue. They would have the cutest kids!! :D

Flight

06-24-2006, 01:13 PM

What happened to Iceman and Polaris??! When did Havok take her away again? During the Wild Kingdom arc, Havok & Polaris started flirting a bit more and teaming up while fighting leaving Iceman left out.
After Lorna then lost her powers and Bobby got his back, Lorna felt rather alone. She left the institute, but not before Alex said she wasn't going alone without him. They went for a small trip and got quite close.
During the Apocalypse arc, it was Havok who revived Lorna from near-death, not Iceman.

FINALLY, a cover devoted soley to Havok and Polaris (excluding Milligan's X-Men run of course) Actually, Havok & Polaris never got a cover with just those two on during Milligans run.
The last time they shared a cover together was X-Factor 148 believe it or not!!~~ That was what..? Bloody 8 years ago?!!?

An Average Madri

06-24-2006, 01:36 PM

thanks for clearing that up for me :)

Mr. Jip

06-24-2006, 01:55 PM

Do people actually like Polaris' new OLD costume??
Aesthetically, it SUCKS.
On so many levels.

but i HEART Havok, so Flight don't hurt me~~~

Affinity

06-24-2006, 01:58 PM

I like that cover a LOT. Love it! Crazy Shiar are finally getting burned like they should have been so many ages ago.

rilokyle

06-24-2006, 02:02 PM

Do people actually like Polaris' new OLD costume??
Aesthetically, it SUCKS.
On so many levels.

but i HEART Havok, so Flight don't hurt me~~~
Ehhh, I think its okay. It wouldn't be my favorite, cos it's just too much green, but it's decent. I am probably the only person who likes her current, manga-style costume, but like it I do. I also liked a couple of her X-Factor outfits.

Affinity

06-24-2006, 02:03 PM

I liked her Malice costume, 'specially the hair. This one is oh so bland.

HellFrost

06-24-2006, 02:27 PM

Not a bog fan of this new costume... but I'm the only person ever to like the purple vampire one she wore with the high goth colar...

I also like the new goth/vampiric looking one she wears now.

Affinity

06-24-2006, 02:42 PM

The goth one, is that when she had the whole Shiar thing influence? I liked that...the one Bakla drew?

HellFrost

06-24-2006, 02:57 PM

The goth one, is that when she had the whole Shiar thing influence? I liked that...the one Bakla drew?
Yup. Purple with no cape and draculas colar.:D

Affinity

06-24-2006, 02:59 PM

I liked that...my favorite costume of hers.

An Average Madri

06-24-2006, 03:31 PM

that gothic costume looked totally sexy on her :D

DDM

06-24-2006, 04:57 PM

The goth one, is that when she had the whole Shiar thing influence? I liked that...the one Bakla drew?

http://underworld.fortunecity.com/blood/201/marvel/polaris008.JPG

Lorna Dane's first appearance as Polaris. The costume is of Shi'ar design given to her by Davan Shakari (Eric the Red) to control Lorna Dane. Havok followed Polaris because he loves her. Much later, Professor Xavier telepathically releases Dane from Shakari's control. Polaris kept both the Shia'r costume & her original green costume:

http://www.paratime.ca/v_and_v/pics/uxm_50.jpg

Polaris used her green costume to fight Proteus in Uncanny X-Men #125-128, but she used the purple costume to rescue the other X-Men from Doctor Doom & Arcade in Uncanny X-Men #145-147.

It should be noted Polaris' green & purple costumes are received while she is being controlled by someone else: Mesmero from Uncanny X-Men #49-52 & Davan Shakari from Uncanny X-Men #97-105.

The purple costume became the inspiration for Lorna's evil persona as she is possessed & taken over by the psychic Marauder, Malice:

http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:6_f2fqokVZPhPM:http://members.fortunecity.com/dm_bishop2/marvel/malice.jpg

Malice's control of Dane is complete that Malice changes Polaris' costume with her will alone. Polaris stayed subverted by Malice from Uncanny X-Men #219-243. By Uncanny X-Men #249-250, Malice exists as Lorna's second split personality until Malice is freed from Dane in the same issue when Zaladane steals Lorna's magnetic powers...

The anime inspired goth costume came from the perptually sexually frustrated Chuck Austen:

http://hyperion2000.free.fr/Bios/PolarisXMen.jpg

Polaris is either insane or she's fine. Personally, I can't stand Crazy Lorna...

Flight

06-24-2006, 05:14 PM

Excellent, DDM!

X-Cellent!

I would have done that myself if I could be ARSED to look up the info. Gold star~~~~~

PhoenixBoyX

06-24-2006, 05:49 PM

Wow. Thank you DDM, I honestly didn't know a lot of that. I wonder if her costumes are supposed to be themed or if this new one is going to foreshadow some kind of mind control...

-This is HellFrost

Affinity

06-24-2006, 05:53 PM

Wow...I thought this costume was her "old one", but the one Tan is using is a new one entirely! Very cool.

Thanks, DDM.

DDM

06-24-2006, 06:27 PM

Wow...I thought this costume was her "old one", but the one Tan is using is a new one entirely! Very cool.

Thanks, DDM.

The Polaris Billy Tan costume is really an updated version of Lorna's original green costume.

bakla

06-24-2006, 06:51 PM

I love the cover, but what is up with Polaris' eye brows? Lorna, baby, you need to pluck that
Yeah, she overplucked from the arch to the outer edges but left the inner ones too full. She can negate the gravimetric lines of force as easily as thinking, but she's apparently useless with a pair of tweezers!

Nice cover though. I like the drawing more than I do the Polaris costume, but Havok looks really good 'n' hunky! Rowr!

bakla

06-24-2006, 06:56 PM

Wow. Thank you DDM, I honestly didn't know a lot of that. I wonder if her costumes are supposed to be themed or if this new one is going to foreshadow some kind of mind control...

-This is HellFrost
Actually, the main reasons Polaris shifted between the maroon and green costumes in those issues that DDM states was penciller preference: Cockrum preferred his Shi'Ar redesign and Byrne preferred 'classic' X-men (which is why he didn't like Phoenix either, and helped instigate the return of Marvel Girl in time for X-factor's first issue) so he reverted her back to her green costume in the Proteus arc. When Cockrum once again took over pencilling duties on Uncanny (Polaris first reappeard in #146, I think, in a Murderworld arc), Claremont explained it by having Lorna thinking that the original green one "was pretty," but the maroon was more practical because it was insulated.

Cowlander

06-24-2006, 07:30 PM

http://underworld.fortunecity.com/blood/201/marvel/polaris008.JPG

Lorna Dane's first appearance as Polaris. The costume is of Shi'ar design given to her by Davan Shakari (Eric the Red) to control Lorna Dane. Havok followed Polaris because he loves her. Much later, Professor Xavier telepathically releases Dane from Shakari's control. Polaris kept both the Shia'r costume & her original green costume:

http://www.paratime.ca/v_and_v/pics/uxm_50.jpg

Polaris used her green costume to fight Proteus in Uncanny X-Men #125-128, but she used the purple costume to rescue the other X-Men from Doctor Doom & Arcade in Uncanny X-Men #145-147.

It should be noted Polaris' green & purple costumes are received while she is being controlled by someone else: Mesmero from Uncanny X-Men #49-52 & Davan Shakari from Uncanny X-Men #97-105.

The purple costume became the inspiration for Lorna's evil persona as she is possessed & taken over by the psychic Marauder, Malice:

http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:6_f2fqokVZPhPM:http://members.fortunecity.com/dm_bishop2/marvel/malice.jpg

Malice's control of Dane is complete that Malice changes Polaris' costume with her will alone. Polaris stayed subverted by Malice from Uncanny X-Men #219-243. By Uncanny X-Men #249-250, Malice exists as Lorna's second split personality until Malice is freed from Dane in the same issue when Zaladane steals Lorna's magnetic powers...

The anime inspired goth costume came from the perptually sexually frustrated Chuck Austen:

http://hyperion2000.free.fr/Bios/PolarisXMen.jpg

Polaris is either insane or she's fine. Personally, I can't stand Crazy Lorna...
uhmm the manga costume is a riff on morrigan a game character from the darkstalker series .......

....and it was Kia's design not Austen's, But you knew that and werent just taking a easy shot at Austen for seemingly no reason right

right?

DDM

06-25-2006, 09:39 AM

uhmm the manga costume is a riff on morrigan a game character from the darkstalker series .......

....and it was Kia's design not Austen's, But you knew that and werent just taking a easy shot at Austen for seemingly no reason right

right?

Austen had to approve it. Writers are usually specific on the appearance of the characters, including Dane's batty outfit. If Austen wanted to humilate Lorna further, he could have dressed her up as a broken peanut. The editors--being blind comatose things--just sat their rowing the boat in opposite directios.

Cowlander

06-25-2006, 11:51 AM

Austen had to approve it. Writers are usually specific on the appearance of the characters, including Dane's batty outfit. If Austen wanted to humilate Lorna further, he could have dressed her up as a broken peanut. The editors--being blind comatose things--just sat their rowing the boat in opposite directios.
why do you think CA wanted to "humiliate" Lorna if he HAD approval of the costume. Maybe he simply LIKED the designs Kia had, and said go for it.

If an artist redesigns a costume, the writer doesnt approve it. Thats the editors job. CA would hear from the ED or Kia himself that the costume is changed. If he likes it cool, if he doesnt he can say so. But in the end its not his decision, especially considering its dealing with a part of the book not totally in his control(the art).

Writers tell what to draw in the general not specific, but the main point of the collaboration is the two letting the other have the freedom to interpret. If one is fully controlling the others the work turns lifeless and boring.

Youre taking your dislike for the costume as fact instead of the opinion it is. If the editors didnt have a problem with it they let it go. Considering the mental state of the character at the time a costime like that fit and was definitely distinguishable.

DDM

06-25-2006, 12:49 PM

why do you think CA wanted to "humiliate" Lorna if he HAD approval of the costume. Maybe he simply LIKED the designs Kia had, and said go for it.

If an artist redesigns a costume, the writer doesnt approve it. Thats the editors job. CA would hear from the ED or Kia himself that the costume is changed. If he likes it cool, if he doesnt he can say so. But in the end its not his decision, especially considering its dealing with a part of the book not totally in his control(the art).

Writers tell what to draw in the general not specific, but the main point of the collaboration is the two letting the other have the freedom to interpret. If one is fully controlling the others the work turns lifeless and boring.

Youre taking your dislike for the costume as fact instead of the opinion it is. If the editors didnt have a problem with it they let it go. Considering the mental state of the character at the time a costime like that fit and was definitely distinguishable.

Chuck Austen is the same guy who said as a "joke" that Kurt Wagner has two penises. Therefore, I don't believe he took the characters seriously. Polaris' batty costume is just a symptom of Chuck Austen's apathy.