The OMAC PROJECT Mega-Thread *Spoilers*

[Captain Jim]

This thread is the place to post all of your comments relative to The OMAC Project limited series. No spoiler tags are necessary if you are spoiling a current or past issue, because we have indicated spoilers in the thread title. However, please DO use spoiler tags [ spoil] [ /spoil] if you give spoilers for an upcoming issue of this book or for another title.

This replaces the earlier thread that contained speculation and spoilers prior to the release of issue #1. If you would like to read any of that earlier material, it can be found here (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=49403).

[IamtheRock3]

sold out all readyb the site says

Anyway got it and it was good. Very little batman it in surprisinly. Seem like they have all the heroes

Sasha seem very conflicted which is cool. Thing is if Batman made this device..why isn't he using it to keep tabs on Villans when they escape.

you know as well as thier fellow heroes

[The Xenos]

Yeah, it's so popular and sold out, there's a megathread you should have posted this in. There's even a sticky on it so it's one of the first things you see when you visit this board.

Brother Eye says you fail at the internet.

-Xenos

[MJC]

Sold out already. :mad:

I suppose there will be a 2nd printing one day, but still...

[Karl J. Barnes]

Got it and though I wasn't totally blown away by it. It still was an intriguing read. Sasha is committed to Checkmate, but the way things are going with Maxwell Lord/The Black King, she definitely is conflicted. And it is nice to see that she has some contact with Batman.

What would be nice, if it was Sasha and other Checkmate agents that stop OMAC rather than Batman and other heroes.

[borateen]

Sold out already. :mad:

I suppose there will be a 2nd printing one day, but still...

A second printing has been announced. The cover features what I'm assuming is Brother I, and reflected in his lens is Batman holding Beetle's goggles.

I got the story here (http://newsarama.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=31973).

[Cayman]

Someone spoil this issue because I don't want to buy it, but I'm curious what happens. Thank you.

Cay

[mike626]

I think it would be cool if Sasha becomes the new Black Queen at the end of the story.

[Karl J. Barnes]

I think it would be cool if Sasha becomes the new Black Queen at the end of the story.

Yeah and in a way, replaces Lord's power over Checkmate with her own. It would be nice to see someone with some morals in charge of an organization that can spy on you.

[mike626]

Yeah and in a way, replaces Lord's power over Checkmate with her own. It would be nice to see someone with some morals in charge of an organization that can spy on you. LOL! that would be a nice change. :D

[Cayman]

Is the OMAC thing related to the first post-Morrison Waid-JLA arc where the League found out that Batman had contingency plans to take down every JLA member if they ever went rogue?

Cay

[Karl J. Barnes]

Is the OMAC thing related to the first post-Morrison Waid-JLA arc where the League found out that Batman had contingency plans to take down every JLA member if they ever went rogue?

Cay

It does seem to play up on that aspect. It really is amazing that Batman can DO anything about the criminals in Gotham, while spending all his time with these contingency plans of his. He needs a vacation and badly!

[jetter_cheeze]

It does seem to play up on that aspect. It really is amazing that Batman can DO anything about the criminals in Gotham, while spending all his time with these contingency plans of his. He needs a vacation and badly!


That's what the whole Bat-family was for, before Bats kicked them out of town.

[protege]

Yeah, but you just watch; this is how bats is gonna get off the hook with the league, since they already had a falling out with him over his "contigency plans."

[Clear]

I know next to nothing about Checkmate but that didn't really matter. I loved this issue. Great setup for a number of storylines.

[titanfan]

It does seem to play up on that aspect. It really is amazing that Batman can DO anything about the criminals in Gotham, while spending all his time with these contingency plans of his. He needs a vacation and badly!

Considering how often they constantly escape/give people and himself a hard time, I'd say that's why he's been pretty ineffective at cleaning up Gotham.

[The Oaf]

I know next to nothing about Checkmate but that didn't really matter. I loved this issue. Great setup for a number of storylines.


I'm in the same boat. Like you I know virtually nothing about Checkmate (other than its an organization that spies on people) but I really enjoyed this book. Like you said, it does present the opportunity for a number of different storylines, and it'll be interesting to see what becomes of this.

[Cayman]

Do many superheroes appear, or is it mostly Checkmate?

Cay

[Paul Newell]

Yeah, it's so popular and sold out, there's a megathread you should have posted this in. There's even a sticky on it so it's one of the first things you see when you visit this board.

Brother Eye says you fail at the internet.

-Xenos
Iamtherock3 likes to start his own threads so that his conversation, which is usually the same as the conversation in the main thread, doesn't get lost in the shuffle.

And if he does it one more time, then he probably won't be posting on the DC Board anymore as it's annoying the hell out of me.

[The Oaf]

Do many superheroes appear, or is it mostly Checkmate?

Cay

Booster Gold, Wonder Woman, Red Rocket, and Overthrow make appearances, and Batman is there for a decent amount of time...but for the most part its Checkmate.

[Beatnikman]

Thing is if Batman made this device..why isn't he using it to keep tabs on Villans when they escape.
This is a very good question, and is one that I suspect won't be addressed at all. It does seem a little odd to me that he could, theoretically, take down every superhero on the planet, but Mr. Freeze can give him trouble in multiple comic books at the same time.



But if Max can see into the Batcave (the sattelite is kinda like the magic mirror at the end of Romper Room, I guess), then doesn't Max know that Sasha sent him the note and Beatle's goggles?

I am looking forward to seeing Wonder Woman taking the lead in this one.

[Kid Seven]

I liked it well enough so far. These type of Big Brother stories are hard to sustain though. Maxwell Lord's gotta have seen the goggles, and thusly be ready for them. That, at least is how OMAC has been built up, and that's gonna need to be addressed before the end of this mini.

[Phoney Bone]

I never liked Sasha as a supporting cast member for Batman. Now I am very intrigued by the character.

I had to go back and check to see how Sasha palmed Beetle's goggles. Nice, solid, visual storytelling by Saiz. pencilers who can tell a story with their art is becoming more and more of a rareity.

Good book! I was lucky to get the last copy at my local comic shop today.

[Kid Seven]

Does anyone know what else Saiz has done? His art looks familiar but nothing I can place. I liked the scene at the end especially, where Batman opens the package to find the goggles. It's a good testament to your skills as an artist when you can invest a quieter scene like that with the impact and resonance needed to keep the story moving along and engaging.

[Phoney Bone]

I may be wrong, but Saiz did some semi-regular work on The Flash when Mark Waid was writing, shortly after Mike 'Ringo ended his stint as the regular penciler (I don't have that particular run anymore to confirm this ... had to sell a huge chunk of my comics a few years back :( ). If I'm right, his style has changed quite a bit!

[Brad Curran]

Saiz drew Justin Grey and Jimmy Palmiotti's 21 Down.

[Reynard]

For those interested, i have posted a spoiler free 'first look' review of THE OMAC PROJECT #1 on my INFINITE CRISIS blog. See my sig for the link.

/plug

[Captain Jim]

Does anyone know what else Saiz has done?

He's the regular artist on MANHUNTER, though he's taking a break from that to do OMAC PROJECT. You know, Manhunter, the book I keep telling y'all that you should be reading?

[Captain Jim]

I think it would be cool if Sasha becomes the new Black Queen at the end of the story.

Unfortunately, I have the feeling Sasha may be DOA at the end of this story. :(

[TCJohnson]

Nah, I don't see Rucka killing off a character he created.

[Captain Jim]

Your seeming bitterness not withstanding, I don't think that has anything to do with it. When Rucka left Detective and wrote Sasha out of the storyline, he did so in a way that she might conceivably be brought back at sometime in the future. This is that time. Since I don't see this book ending with Bruce and Sasha walking down the aisle of a church, the only alternatives are to either write her out of the storyline again (which might seem redundant) or kill her. And since she has seeminly strayed from the straight and narrow, having a character die a noble death while saving the day is a commonplace way of "redeeming" them.

[Apathy Boy]

Wow. Rucka brought back Overthrow, quite possibly the lamest villain in the history of comicdom. I don't know whether to be impressed or depressed.

Good issue. I'm intrigued. Probably worth it just for the line "It means Ted Kord is dead..."

My one pet peeve: enough with the Booster and Beetle bashing! We get the point, Greg: Booster and Beetle are losers. Can we stop hammering away at that point? (Sheesh, it's almost as bad as the way Renee Montoya keeps talking about being gay in GOTHAM CENTRAL.)

[Captain Jim]

I think this is setting things up for Booster to become Blue Beetle III with real super-powers from that Egyptian scarab.

[LooksBetterDrawn]

Nah, I don't see Rucka killing off a character he created.
Better than killing off someone else's character...

poor Dixon

[SUPERECWFAN1]

It was a good read and you actually see Batman's Invention coming back to haunt him. This Is gonna be a huge mini-series and how the heroes & Booster responds to Ted's death should be Interesting.

[CodeMonkey]

Mark me down as unimpressed.

Too many pages of techno-babble pseudo OS commands as we get panels of people being watched.

A pointless fight between Rocket Red and Overthrow taking up a few more pages.

I'd rather they just get along with things instead of throwing in filler in the first issue.

[married guy]

I haven't picked this up yet.
But I'm willing to give it a chance before I jump all over it.

The old 'Bats contingency plan' thing is wearing a bit thin though.
We'll see. If anyone can pull it off Rucka can.

And Jesus is doind STELLAR work on MANHUNTER! A title that is sadly underrated.

[Apathy Boy]

I think this is setting things up for Booster to become Blue Beetle III with real super-powers from that Egyptian scarab.Not a bad theory, but Booster's in the wrong book for it to happen. The wizard Shazam has the scarab, and the wizard Shazam is going to be in DAY OF VENGEANCE. So if anyone becomes the new Blue Beetle, it's going to be one of the characters in that series. You know who's the most likely candidate, right?

Yep. Detective Chimp is gonna become Blue Beetle III.

In all seriousness, I would be willing to commit homicide to make that happen.

[Calamas]

Mark me down as unimpressed.
If by unimpressed you mean you were expecting something spectacular and this wasn’t it, then I’m with you. Essentially, “Okay. Nothing great but okay.” But when it comes to mini-series, Rucka traditionally starts slow; he generally picks up momentum as he goes. Still, there were enough nice bits to peak my interest. As it stands now, I’ll stick around to the end.

Let’s see what happens.

[Joker2503]

My one complaint on The OMAC Project is a very minor one: Can we get some consistency on Batman's costume? I would think DC would just send out a memo to artists saying, "The cape and cowl are black now." It was black in Countdown, yet in The OMAC Project, when happens 30 seconds after Countdown, its blue. I don't care if its blue or black, I just want it the same from month to month and book to book.

[UniqueFrequency]

i quite enjoyed this. i thought the fight between sasha and the other checkmate operative was hard to follow because they essentially both looked the same, but other than that i really enjoyed the other moments like Wonder Woman and Booster.

it seems a LITTLE strange that Batman is talking to OMAC though

and one minor gripe about somewhere in the issue where there's something like 'it didn't used to be this way' or something, it should be 'it didn't use to be this way'. terrible mistake

[IamtheRock3]

Iamtherock3 likes to start his own threads so that his conversation, which is usually the same as the conversation in the main thread, doesn't get lost in the shuffle.

And if he does it one more time, then he probably won't be posting on the DC Board anymore as it's annoying the hell out of me.


Oh calm down..didnt see the other Stick

Only other time I did it was starting a Zantaa topic..sense there is 7 completly sepeate mini series and didn want it to get lost in one GIANTIC thread

[gketter]

Why can WW see? Didn't it seem like she wasn't blind?

Rucka writes both books but yet she's not blind in this? I'm guessing she's gettting her vision back soon or something in her book.

Overall it was a decent start. Nothing much to complain, or praise.

[Adam Crocker]

it seems a LITTLE strange that Batman is talking to OMAC though


Well he's probably talking to the Brother Mark One satellite since from all the hints dropped by Rucka in the interviews he was probably it's original creator.

[TCJohnson]

Actually I can see Rucka making Sasha the new Blue Beetle. From the way Dan Didio is talking I don't think Booster is going to be around much longer.

[Static-Pulse]

So, Oracle and Batman are meta-humans now? On one page, Max says, "Begin active surveillance of all known meta-human associates of Ted Kord, a.k.a. metahuman Blue Beetle." Then on the next page, it shows a list of people: Guy Gardener, Booster Gold, Oracle, and Batman. The first two have been meta-human, Guy was Warrior and Booster had some Millenial-thing back during Extreme Justice. However, since when are Oracle and Batman considered "meta-human?"

Also, can we get an editor here? Is there a difference in "meta-human" and "metahuman" now?

[TCJohnson]

So, Oracle and Batman are meta-humans now?

And Rocket Red, who is really nothing more than a pilot for some advanced armor. I was wondering about that.

[Reynard]

Also, can we get an editor here? Is there a difference in "meta-human" and "metahuman" now?

I am guessing that 'metahuman' has become DCU slang for 'wears a costume'. in Batman's case, most people think he is super powered anyway, since he is so damn good. Wasn't there also a suggestion that all of the extremely competent 'normal' heroes were actually low powered metas? in Green Arrow, I think.

[titanfan]

Actually I can see Rucka making Sasha the new Blue Beetle. From the way Dan Didio is talking I don't think Booster is going to be around much longer.

This is my guess as well. Good way to keep Sasha around without killing her off.

[TCJohnson]

This is my guess as well. Good way to keep Sasha around without killing her off.

And will give Rucka and the others the freedom to kill off Booster Gold.

[PanzerMega]

I'm sure they'd classify Oracle and Batman as meta-humans. They're obviously threats, and ignoring them due to semantics seems like a bad move for an evil organization.

I actually found the issue really slow, and a bit disapointing, but I'm still intrigued. Especially the Wonder Woman and Booster thing.

[Static-Pulse]

in Batman's case, most people think he is super powered anyway, since he is so damn good.I guess if the CIA can believe hard enough that Iraq had WMD so that we go to way, Checkmate can believe hard enough that Batman has super powers. Why should facts matter to an intelligence gathering agency?

Is this a case of art immittaing life? ;-)

[Static-Pulse]

in Batman's case, most people think he is super powered anyway, since he is so damn good.I guess if the CIA can believe hard enough that Iraq had WMD that we go to war, Checkmate can believe hard enough that Batman has super powers. Why should facts matter to an intelligence gathering agency?

Is this a case of art immitating life? ;-)

[Kid Seven]

And did anyone else notice that the Brother I actually lists Batman as creator. INteresting, as up to that point we weren't supposed to know he was.

[Karl J. Barnes]

And did anyone else notice that the Brother I actually lists Batman as creator. INteresting, as up to that point we weren't supposed to know he was.

Well Countdown did hint that OMAC was one of Batman's contingence plans, so it wasn't all that shocking to find out that he did create OMAC.

[Reynard]

Well Countdown did hint that OMAC was one of Batman's contingence plans, so it wasn't all that shocking to find out that he did create OMAC.

Also, it may well turn out that Brother I was part of the original set of contingencies that R'as used against the league and was compromised then, but kept under wraps until needed. Especially since Talia is part of the Villains United -- she brought Batman's secrets to the table.

[Joe no Sleep]

Not a bad theory, but Booster's in the wrong book for it to happen. The wizard Shazam has the scarab, and the wizard Shazam is going to be in DAY OF VENGEANCE. So if anyone becomes the new Blue Beetle, it's going to be one of the characters in that series. You know who's the most likely candidate, right?

Yep. Detective Chimp is gonna become Blue Beetle III.

In all seriousness, I would be willing to commit homicide to make that happen.

The Egyptian Scarab is the symbol for death and rebirth. It's possible that the old wizard is holding it for the day when Ted Kord is brought back to life. That would make a nice plot twist, since Countdown seemed wasteful - killing a second-stringer and having the whole DCU revolve around his death and all.

[Kid Seven]

Interesting point about Ra's and Bat's original contingencies. Johns is a big fan of Waid after all; seems like this group of writers could most defnitely be thinking about tying Brother I back to that point in time.

[Captain Jim]

"Meta-human" is not necessarily a synonym for "super-powered." I'm trying to remember where this was all explained...I think it was Invasion. Certain humans have a "meta-gene" that others don't have. In some people it's dormant, in others it's active. So not all "meta-humans" even have super-powers. I believe it was also revealed that certain heroes have meta-abilities that may be low-key and hard to detect. For instance, I'm pretty sure Green Arrow is considered meta, because his arrow-shooting ability is beyond what a normal person could pull off.

Most likely someone else could explain this better than me...Anyone want to try?

[TCJohnson]

"Meta-human" is not necessarily a synonym for "super-powered." I'm trying to remember where this was all explained...I think it was Invasion. Certain humans have a "meta-gene" that others don't have. In some people it's dormant, in others it's active. So not all "meta-humans" even have super-powers. I believe it was also revealed that certain heroes have meta-abilities that may be low-key and hard to detect. For instance, I'm pretty sure Green Arrow is considered meta, because his arrow-shooting ability is beyond what a normal person could pull off.

Most likely someone else could explain this better than me...Anyone want to try?

I remember when Connor Hawke first appeared, the writer stressed that Green Arrow did not have the meta gene.

[Brian R]

Good first issue, not spectacular, but enough to hook me for the rest of it. I really hadnt intended on picking this up, but I only had two other books come out this week, so I decided to give it a shot.

I like the way its shaping up so far, even if it does feel like we've been here before.

[Sk8maven]

I like the way its shaping up so far, even if it does feel like we've been here before.
Marvel, X-men, 1960's? ;)

Maven

[titanfan]

"Meta-human" is not necessarily a synonym for "super-powered." I'm trying to remember where this was all explained...I think it was Invasion. Certain humans have a "meta-gene" that others don't have. In some people it's dormant, in others it's active. So not all "meta-humans" even have super-powers. I believe it was also revealed that certain heroes have meta-abilities that may be low-key and hard to detect. For instance, I'm pretty sure Green Arrow is considered meta, because his arrow-shooting ability is beyond what a normal person could pull off.

That's correct for the most part. Certain people have a gene that (under extreme stress) can cause them to develop superpowers. In most people with metagenes, the gene is doormant, a lot of people aren't even aware that they have it. It is possible for a non-powered human to be a meta-human if they have that gene. (Ex. Blue Beetle was established as having a doormant meta-gene in Invasion!)

But it's not used to explain human skills like martial artists, uncanny aim, etc. I can see the public at large assuming Batman is a meta--and little is known about Oracle where they may classify her as one too. But they should know Rocket Red isn't one....

[Brian R]

You know, I went and re-read the issue, to try and get a better opinion of it since I read it at work the first time. Still a good read, but I have to agree that not much happened, it sorta felt like half an issue's worth, just stretched out. I really loathe "decompressed" stories, its my number one gripe with modern comics, lets just hope the pace picks up the rest of the way.

[Andy S.]

Can someone please explain what Brother I is? Is it the same thing as OMAC? Are there 2 of these Brother satelites?

[arcane67]

Can someone please explain what Brother I is? Is it the same thing as OMAC? Are there 2 of these Brother satelites?

In the original OMAC series by Kirby (and later, Starlin) Brother Eye was the satellite that was linked up to Buddy Blank and could transform him into OMAC. It could relay intelligence to OMAC as well as supply the occasional power boost. Brother Eye has to be about the coolest name for a spy satellite ever (count on Kirby)!

This obviously is a reimagining of the Brother Eye/OMAC concept, making Brother Eye a construct of the Batman for his own purposes.

[Stephane Garrelie]

In the original OMAC series by Kirby (and later, Starlin) Brother Eye was the satellite that was linked up to Buddy Blank and could transform him into OMAC. It could relay intelligence to OMAC as well as supply the occasional power boost. Brother Eye has to be about the coolest name for a spy satellite ever (count on Kirby)!

This obviously is a reimagining of the Brother Eye/OMAC concept, making Brother Eye a construct of the Batman for his own purposes.
And dont forget the early 90's great black and white John Byrne series, one of his last really good works till the current fantasticly great "Blood of the demon".
I hope "One Man Army Corps" will be as good this time.

[Andy S.]

In the original OMAC series by Kirby (and later, Starlin) Brother Eye was the satellite that was linked up to Buddy Blank and could transform him into OMAC. It could relay intelligence to OMAC as well as supply the occasional power boost. Brother Eye has to be about the coolest name for a spy satellite ever (count on Kirby)!

This obviously is a reimagining of the Brother Eye/OMAC concept, making Brother Eye a construct of the Batman for his own purposes.


Thanks! I hope they explain this a little more for the fans who aren't up on all of DC's intricacies.

[CjP]

This was reinforced when it was stated that the satellite was called the Brother I. As in the letter 'I". Not Brother 1, but Brother I. Say it out loud...

[Eiriken]

I found the first issue of OMAC very little intriguing, issue 2 can only make this better... I hope the other minis start out a little more exciting that this... It's just my point of view though... :)

[Bored at 3:00AM]

I should preface this by saying I wasn't sure if I was gonna like this series or not. I'm only a Batman fan when he's done well, not the Batdickweed characterization that Denny O'Neil and Bob Shreck's tenures have loved so much. This just feels like yet another dreary Batman story guest-starring the re-Dan Jurgification of the Giffen/DeMatties JLI.

Max was nice little character. Once again the cartoon guys "got" the character far better than the current comics writers

[converge241]

anyone have any idea how For Tomorrow ties into OMAC where it was speciffically mentioned by Mr. Orr?

[mike626]

What you saw were the previous versions of the OMAC project.

[Rocket13]

Thought that I had missed this as by the time I went to the comic shop after reading this thread there were no issues left. Luckily the comic store guy had held out a few issues for the regular customers and was able to sell me one.

I actually enjoyed the story very much. I am interested in seeing where it goes from here. Like the Captain, my original thought was that quite possibly Sasha will save the day and die doing so. Nice to see her back and even nicer to see her send the goggles to Batman.

[hitokiri_]

isn't it supposed to show bats talking to the rest of the big 7?

[SlightlyMad]

Yeah, but you just watch; this is how bats is gonna get off the hook with the league, since they already had a falling out with him over his "contigency plans."

"But they mid-wiped me"

[SuperManny]

anyone have any idea how For Tomorrow ties into OMAC where it was speciffically mentioned by Mr. Orr?

What issue? Just curious....!

[Justin Davis]

isn't it supposed to show bats talking to the rest of the big 7?

Looks like it has.

Here's the original cover as advertised:

http://dccomics.com/media/covers/2990_400x600.jpg

Now, the cover in the solicit of the second printing issue has a changed cover. Martian Manhunter is missing and Flash is replaced with Booster Gold pointing at Batman. Is that a change just with the second printing or was it there with the first printing and just no one noticed until now? I'm not sure since I didn't get a chance to pick it up until today.

By the way, I liked it for the most part. Jessica Midnight looked too much like Sasha in the book though. The scene with them was a bit confusing.

[Tom]

Finally managed to snag the first issue yesterday and...I'm not so sure. It's got some good bits but the entire premise hangs on believing in a Batman that just seems way off to me. First off, I'm having a real hard time swallowing the idea that not only would or could Batman design a satellite with technology far more advanced than anything on earth, but that he would have the means or capabilities to launch said satellite without anyone detecting it. Plus those "Why won't you talk to me, Brother? " scenes were just really odd. That doesn't seem like Batman to me at all.

Otherwise, I'm intrigued.

[LtMarvel]

Tom, Batman has a boom tube to go to the secret JLA lab on Pluto! Bats can get a satellite in orbit without a conventional launch.

[Tom]

comicfanatic.com (http://www.thecomicfanatic.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=642&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0) has a ten-page preview of OMAC #2.

Bats is a jerk.

[Typo Lad]

Bats is a jerk.

I believe that that is DC Editorial's Motto, these days.

[amorn]

Hey I live in london and i just read OMAC#2 (much to my surprise too) not to sound defensive but i am not lying. not sure if i can post spoiler yet. can I? I'll post one anyways

SPOILERS ALERT







I totally agree with booster gold, bats need to apologize now. His plan is once again coming back and bite him (and everyone elses butts) even tho he has a *better* reason this time. It is confirmed that he now remembers. The ending of this issue should start up the heat in issue 3 and i hope that he gets his ass kick my those blue guys. oh and to prove that i'm not lying, bat kissed sasha then those blue omac guys jumped thru the glass roof

[Forsaken_One]

Hey I live in london and i just read OMAC#2 (much to my surprise too) not to sound defensive but i am not lying. not sure if i can post spoiler yet. can I?
It's not out yet. If you want to spoil you must put it in spoil tags, [*spoil][*/spoil] without the *, and warn people that you're spoiling OMAC #2.

[amorn]

cool my spoiler tags work

[Taskmaster]

Booster is the freaking man!!!! It's about time somebody brought that up about Batman. First Hal knocks him on his ass and now Booster puts him and Superman/Wonder Woman in their place, the DCU is finally the place it outta be and not Batuniverse

[Justin Davis]

comicfanatic.com (http://www.thecomicfanatic.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=642&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0) has a ten-page preview of OMAC #2.

Bats is a jerk.

Wow..a really, REALLY big jerk too.

Spoiler discussion below without tags sooo.... look away or something.















Seriously, Booster's best friend dies and Batman asks, "Why is he even here?". Just what the hell is that? Dismissive, condescending, unapologetic, and, what really blows the mind here, hypocritical. Booster's comment about how he knows blame won't ever get laid anywhere because it would involve Batman admitting he screwed up was something good to read someone say and pissed me off because I felt it to be true too. Really didn't care for the silent panel with just Batman and Superman that followed that moment either. Superman really had the chance to say something reassuring to Booster and definitive to Batman, but instead just stayed silent. Didn't care for that at all.

[Captain Jim]

Use the tags, people!

[Justin Davis]

Use the tags, people!

Sorry, I guess I was feeling message board rebellious. You tagged it for me though. Thanks. Just feels weird having invisible conversations sometimes.

[hitokiri_]

http://www.thecomicfanatic.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=642&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0

10 page mega spoiler.

[amorn]

did dc shipped their comics wrongly to london? cuz on their site day of vengeance #2 is shipped but not omac#2 but all i got here is omac#2 and no sign of DoV#2

[aeastwic]

comicfanatic.com (http://www.thecomicfanatic.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=642&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0) has a ten-page preview of OMAC #2.

Bats is a jerk.

He has been a huge jerk almost everywhere in the DCU that I've been reading. Do you think that Infinite Crisis is going to change him in some way, or some big event that will make him not such a jack***.

I haven't read Batman in a long time because I can't stand the character from the way he acts in other titles. He's tooooooooo dark and mean for my blood. Batman should always walk the line of being obsessive, not jump over it with a 10 foot pole.

[Sean Walsh]

He has been a huge jerk almost everywhere in the DCU that I've been reading. Do you think that Infinite Crisis is going to change him in some way, or some big event that will make him not such a jack***.

The setup to Infinite Crisis certainly seems like he's going to be an even bigger jerk@$$ bastich for the next few months......so let's hope, 'cause this act might just get old by year's end.

[hondobrode]

OMAC is my fav mini right now followed closely by Rann-Thanagar War.

I hate reading it, but I love it too.

The art is divine and Max is one kick@$$ villain. Black King indeed !

Showing what happened with Dr Light and the whole Batman reaction was priceless.

I'm still dying to see what happens with Beetle. It's not done with him yet.

[jeanpaulB.]

Wouldn't it be great if barbara gordon became the new blue beettle? Think of it. After she purges this Brainiac thing, she can walk, and decides to pay respect to Ted by prolonging the BB legacy.

[Dennis K]

I've only started delving into the DCU for the last year or so and sometimes it's hard trying to figure out just who's who and what's what, but overall I'm enjoying the series.

[hondobrode]

Wouldn't it be great if barbara gordon became the new blue beettle? Think of it. After she purges this Brainiac thing, she can walk, and decides to pay respect to Ted by prolonging the BB legacy.

Now THAT'S a great idea :cool:

I do love her as Oracle tho. Probably more so than I did as Batgirl previously.

Not only will the BB character somehow be around, but I still think someway somehow Ted will be as well. Maybe he had his personality downloaded to an AI or something. I keep thinking clone, but there has to be something more original than that.

[powerforward]

my problem with bats and brother I, is not only have they never shown him working on this in any of the bat books, but if he had a device like this (somehow able to see and hear anything on the planet), why hasn't he used it before?

you would think it would come in handy in his line of work.

[Karl J. Barnes]

The setup to Infinite Crisis certainly seems like he's going to be an even bigger jerk@$$ bastich for the next few months......so let's hope, 'cause this act might just get old by year's end.

Well, the next JLA arc looks like that they'll be dealing with some of those issues between Batman and the old JLA.

[aeastwic]

my problem with bats and brother I, is not only have they never shown him working on this in any of the bat books, but if he had a device like this (somehow able to see and hear anything on the planet), why hasn't he used it before?

you would think it would come in handy in his line of work.


Is it possible that Brother I is a recent development. Maybe Bats only recently put together what really happened with the mindwipe and built the satelittes. This gave Max the tools he needed to become Black King and start this whole chain of events in motion.

If so, Booster should get 5 minutes alone with him and a very big can of Whoop $%#%^

[aeastwic]

Well, the next JLA arc looks like that they'll be dealing with some of those issues between Batman and the old JLA.

I liked this the first time they did this, when it was called Tower of Babel. Although this time, Bats has some valid reasons for what he did. But how much of the team is going to side with him this time?

And is Hal Jordan going to be there?

[Reynard]

I liked this the first time they did this, when it was called Tower of Babel. Although this time, Bats has some valid reasons for what he did. But how much of the team is going to side with him this time?

And is Hal Jordan going to be there?

i don't think the two instances are mutually exclusive. It seems the memory-alteration is serving as a retcon reason for Batman's recent portrayal as a paranoid jerk, which means that essentially it *was* the reason he created the plans that got used against them in the Tower of babel story (one of the best arcs in the post Morrison run, I think). Hopefully we get as solid a story out of this, without beating it to death.

Jordan is going to be th JLA Green Lantern for the arc, IIRC, and that means more super-squabbling, unfortunately. I realize that Johns loves Jordan and Batman has gotten a little out of hand of late, but having all these characters constantly fighting makes me feel like I am reading the Ultimates.

[K'Nort]

I got a kick out of Max's 'Freeze' bit because I originally wasn't going to pick up Ex Machina because, on the cover to issue one, Hundred looked way too much like Max and I figured I thus wouldn't be able to take him seriously. Really glad I overcame that. But that bit reminded me -- Max was speaking to the person instead of to the gun but it was a very similar move. And it was nice to see they remembered the nosebleed.

Would be nice if Sasha didn't look quite so much like Kate Spencer, but she probably won't be around much longer anyway.

[hondobrode]

I got a kick out of Max's 'Freeze' bit because I originally wasn't going to pick up Ex Machina because, on the cover to issue one, Hundred looked way too much like Max and I figured I thus wouldn't be able to take him seriously. Really glad I overcame that. But that bit reminded me -- Max was speaking to the person instead of to the gun but it was a very similar move. And it was nice to see they remembered the nosebleed.

Would be nice if Sasha didn't look quite so much like Kate Spencer, but she probably won't be around much longer anyway.

uuummmmmmmm...... wrong thread, K'Nort ?

I like your points regarding Ex Machina, though, and you're right that Hundred does look a lot like Maxie. I hadn't picked up on the Kate Spencer / Sasha thing and hope you are way wrong about Kate not being around for much longer.

And now, back to our regularly scheduled OMAC thread..... ;-)

[K'Nort]

I hadn't picked up on the Kate Spencer / Sasha thing and hope you are way wrong about Kate not being around for much longer.

Sorry, I meant I don't expect Sasha to be around much longer.

Wasn't it in the last OMAC issue that Max pulled the "Freeze" mind control on the black queen's bodyguard?

[sgt.candy]

has he found out what they did to him yet? and if he hasnt, think hell will break loose when he does?

[Kevinroc]

1: Yes. It was stated in Countdown and OMAC Project.

2: See JLA #115

[sgt.candy]

1: Yes. It was stated in Countdown and OMAC Project.

2: See JLA #115


will do. i read the john byrne OMAC last night

[Kevinroc]

will do. i read the john byrne OMAC last night

I mean the current OMAC Project mini that Greg Rucka is writing that ties into Infinite Crisis.

[sgt.candy]

I mean the current OMAC Project mini that Greg Rucka is writing that ties into Infinite Crisis.
i know :o

[JBeckett]

I enjoyed the Byrne OMAC series-good stuffs indeed!

[BoosterBronze]

Batman is an ass, and a fascist.
Batman does rotten things in the name of justice. He breaks and enters, he violently threatens people, he's an illegal vigilante. But if someone else does something he doesnt like (ie The Power Pact) he goes nutso. Then he uses that as a justification to have some crazy Satelite Gestapo watch every superhero, setting himself up like some crackpot God watching over them and casting judgement.

If Joker meant to Joker gas one dude, and the gas was stolen from him and used to kill a dozen babies, Batman would blame Joker. Batman sets up a crazy "Kill All Superhero" system, lies about it to Ted Kord, then that same system KILLS TED KORD, that make's Bats just as guilty. Booster should have blown him away, but Superman, (part of Batman's "We Run the JLA" Clique) stopped him.

I hate Batman, but I'm loving DC right now.

[pureclint]

Batman sets up a crazy "Kill All Superhero" system, lies about it to Ted Kord, then that same system KILLS TED KORD, that make's Bats just as guilty.


Actually the system did not kill Ted. The people who stole the system from Batman did AND Batman told Ted not to go, that he would handle it. If Ted had listened to Batman then he would not be dead.

[aeastwic]

Batman is an ass, and a fascist.
Batman does rotten things in the name of justice. He breaks and enters, he violently threatens people, he's an illegal vigilante. But if someone else does something he doesnt like (ie The Power Pact) he goes nutso. Then he uses that as a justification to have some crazy Satelite Gestapo watch every superhero, setting himself up like some crackpot God watching over them and casting judgement.

If Joker meant to Joker gas one dude, and the gas was stolen from him and used to kill a dozen babies, Batman would blame Joker. Batman sets up a crazy "Kill All Superhero" system, lies about it to Ted Kord, then that same system KILLS TED KORD, that make's Bats just as guilty. Booster should have blown him away, but Superman, (part of Batman's "We Run the JLA" Clique) stopped him.

I hate Batman, but I'm loving DC right now.


Are you the Batman DC editor? You seem to have the current character cold?

Seriously, I agree with everything you say, although I don't think this was a kill system, just an observation system. Although did I miss something? Are the Omac killers part of what Bats built or is it part of Checkmate?

Batman is partially responsible for getting Kord killed. He should have known that he wasn;t going to drop the issue. At the very least, a former Justice Leaguer is broke and needs help and Bats turned him away. Booster should have kicked his ***.

I really hope that Batman is brought back down to earth. his character, the way it is being written, has learned nothing since "Babel" where his secret files were used against the league and he is way out of line.

And you right, he uses methods that he condemns other people for. Remember when Kyle beat the information out of someone who knew who beat his assistant. He totally came down on him, yet Batman beats people up regularly for information. Double-standard.

[hitokiri_]

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y6/mjtastic/CopyofOMAC2b.jpg

anybody there agrees with me?

[Viking Bastard]

Eh? Details? Is this an abandoned cover for OMAC, then?

[tk421atpost]

I think it's the cover to the second printing of OMAC #2

[titanfan]

How did everyone feel about the Booster-Guy-Wonder Woman scene this issue? Turnabout is fair play? Maybe they will adress the high school clique'ness of the DCU these days during/after the Crisis. (Which started, imho, with the Morrison JLA pretty much proclaiming themselves as the "big guns/first string" group of the DCU)

[pureclint]

I liked it and it made some sense, he was their pal and part of their team. People form special bonds with their own teammates (Sports, military, etc...) so it makes sense.

Overall this was the best issue of OMAC so far. Good action, the Bruce OMAC fight was cool and it nicely set up the upcoming Superman/Wonder Woman through down. I also love how Rucka has used the more aggressive side of WW here and in her own book.

Max is turning out to be a very ominous bad guy. I got the impression that Brother Eye helped sasha resist him, any one else?

"Give him a clue and he will take a mile" - great line.

[Zero Hunter]

I am starting to think that the Omac Project is going to be sort of a redemption for the entire Giffen JLI crew and make the rest of the DCU see them as real heroes and not just jokes. Booster has not acted this strong in years and Ted was very much the true hero in Countdown. Rocket Red has shown up in cameos in two issues. Now with Guy involved and Fire looking to be coming too I kinda hope that all the JLI crew end up being the one who take Max and Checkmate down. I would like to see Guy and Booster round up Captain Atom, Metamorpho, Fire, Mister Miracle, Barda, Power Girl, Rocket Red, Elongated Man, Black Canarey, and Martian Manhunter and have them take it to Checkmate full on.

Have them do it one more time for the Beetle.

[K'Nort]

I am starting to think that the Omac Project is going to be sort of a redemption for the entire Giffen JLI crew and make the rest of the DCU see them as real heroes and not just jokes. Booster has not acted this strong in years and Ted was very much the true hero in Countdown. Rocket Red has shown up in cameos in two issues. Now with Guy involved and Fire looking to be coming too I kinda hope that all the JLI crew end up being the one who take Max and Checkmate down. I would like to see Guy and Booster round up Captain Atom, Metamorpho, Fire, Mister Miracle, Barda, Power Girl, Rocket Red, Elongated Man, Black Canarey, and Martian Manhunter and have them take it to Checkmate full on.

Have them do it one more time for the Beetle.

And Batman was part of that crowd too for a while and he's quite unhappy with the other Justice League....

[Kid Kamikaze10]

So, what happened in OMAC #3?

[TCJohnson]

I am starting to think that the Omac Project is going to be sort of a redemption for the entire Giffen JLI crew and make the rest of the DCU see them as real heroes and not just jokes. Booster has not acted this strong in years and Ted was very much the true hero in Countdown. Rocket Red has shown up in cameos in two issues. Now with Guy involved and Fire looking to be coming too I kinda hope that all the JLI crew end up being the one who take Max and Checkmate down. I would like to see Guy and Booster round up Captain Atom, Metamorpho, Fire, Mister Miracle, Barda, Power Girl, Rocket Red, Elongated Man, Black Canarey, and Martian Manhunter and have them take it to Checkmate full on.

Have them do it one more time for the Beetle.

Why Martian Manhunter? We was the one who refused to help Beetle before.

[DarthDookuk]

Im unclear about something. Im just getting into this whole story, so i dont know much. What power does the Black King have that sasha was able to resist.

Also, what was the deal with Clark Kent and Black King at the end. Is Superman being brainwashed by the black king and Brother Eye. Or is this a mystery to us all.

[TCJohnson]

Black King has the ability to control people's minds, but when he does it gives him a nose bleed.

[tjarvis]

So you mean to tell me that Sasha has more willpower than Superman. Really? :rolleyes:

Somebody is playing favorites with their created character.

[TCJohnson]

So you mean to tell me that Sasha has more willpower than Superman. Really? :rolleyes:

Somebody is playing favorites with their created character.

I am just glad I am not the only one who sees that. There are rumors that Sasha will be the next Blue Beetle. Man, will that piss me off.

[Dante]

Also, what was the deal with Clark Kent and Black King at the end. Is Superman being brainwashed by the black king and Brother Eye. Or is this a mystery to us all.

And how many times have we seen the Superman is being controlled by the bad guys story line. Seriously!

Dante

[pureclint]

So you mean to tell me that Sasha has more willpower than Superman. Really? :rolleyes:

Somebody is playing favorites with their created character.


As I mentioned earlier I do not think Sasha was able to resist Max alone. At the exact same moment she was able to resist, Brother Eye had some software failure (and we do know it will go rogue even from Max), I think it is a very distinct possibility that the OMAC projext/Brother Eye shielded Sasha's mind. Both Max and Sashsa seemed shocked she was able to resist as well, leading to that plausability of this possibility.

[Karl J. Barnes]

Why Martian Manhunter? We was the one who refused to help Beetle before.

Well, he was the leader of JLI and it would be nice to see him redeem himself after he ignored Beetle.

[thehead]

just like to add that I'd love to see this as a JLI redemption as well. I loved the FKASJL though, and will be sad to see the end of that because it looked like it could have a future. oh well.

[K'Nort]

So you mean to tell me that Sasha has more willpower than Superman. Really? :rolleyes:

Not only was it probably something other than willpower with Sasha, if Max's power is magic-based (although I thought it involved aliens), then Superman would be vulnerable.

[Typo Lad]

Not only was it probably something other than willpower with Sasha, if Max's power is magic-based (although I thought it involved aliens), then Superman would be vulnerable.

Max has a Metagene that was activated by The Construct.

[Gingold]

So you mean to tell me that Sasha has more willpower than Superman. Really? :rolleyes:

Somebody is playing favorites with their created character.

I'm pretty sure Max's inability to use his power on Sasha had to do with the other woman in the cell with her. I think she's J'onn in disguise.

[pureclint]

I'm pretty sure Max's inability to use his power on Sasha had to do with the other woman in the cell with her. I think she's J'onn in disguise.


That would be a nice twist, but I still theink the system error Brother Eye had at that moment had something to do with it. That is a big coincidence. Either way it should be good.

[Chango]

Yes I think the other girl in the cell is the one who protected Sasha's mind because not only was she preventing Max, she was also disrupting Brother I.

I couldnt believe they ran into Guy, thats JLI nostalgia right there, though all of a sudden guy looks alot like Conan OBrien.

Interesting how the OMACs bleed...

[Jkid099]

Well the OMACs are people (sorta like the Prime Sentinels from that ugh-ish Zero Tolerance X-over from the Marvelous competitors) who, I guess, have been extensively modified. The question is - by whom? It seems quite obvious that Checkmate itself is not responsible for the OMAC troops, and Max himself doesn't seem to have the resources to transform these people into them. I mean, if he did, why would he have taken over Checkmake? I think it comes down to whatever shadowy guys that we saw Max with in that Superman Secret Files 2004 story and their guest appearance in "For Tomorrow."

[exboywonder]

I have a quick question...

Who is Sasha?

I seem to remember a period in bat books a while back where bruce wayne had a bodygard, that eventually went to jail during the whole brue wayne fugitive story line. Is this the same character?

if so.... what happened to the her, and how did she get out of jail?

[K'Nort]

I have a quick question...

Who is Sasha?

I seem to remember a period in bat books a while back where bruce wayne had a bodygard, that eventually went to jail during the whole brue wayne fugitive story line. Is this the same character?

if so.... what happened to the her, and how did she get out of jail?

It is her. Checkmate sprung her. The official story was she died of internal injuries but actually she joined them and got plastic surgery as a disguise.

[K'Nort]

Well the OMACs are people (sorta like the Prime Sentinels from that ugh-ish Zero Tolerance X-over from the Marvelous competitors) who, I guess, have been extensively modified. The question is - by whom?

Max's reference to a virus and Batman's reference to blending into crowds makes me think that maybe they are random passersby who get possessed and transformed and then return to normal with no memory. There have been similar plotlines in the past but of course I'm forgetting examples.

[DaleKaleD]

Just a quick post, going off of what ive read here, adn what i get from the comic itself.

As to the differant reactions between Sasha and Clark, I think that we are all missing something. Ill quote two things here from the interogation scene.

Max "How long had you been alone with ... him ... before the OMACS arrived?"

now just looking at first glance, this would be taken as, how long have you been working with him? since before I was given the tech for the OMACS?, but I think a better read, and what was intended was just relating to that scene we just left, how long were they in that warehouse before they were interupted.

And this one.

Max "Start talking. What did you tell him? What does he know? Does he know about the virus?


I think that this indicated one thing, we have seen how much of the new Checkmates resources are scavenged from other sources, Skeets for one, I think it highly likely that the actual OMACS, were a variation of some other tech that they aquired, its almost a biological weapon, you expose the victem to the "Virus" and then their DNA is "in classic comic fashion" re-written, to allow them to tranform into the OMACS, and be accessable to Big Brother I. The tech involved, makes me think its something to do with Nano-Tech, or some other thing, with the current resurgance of Braniac in his numerous forms, and all the other old classics, this may be a clue.

This would also show why Max couldnt affect Sasha but could affect Clark, they were two completly seperate methods of control, for Sasha it was the old Millenium gifted mind whammy, but for Clark, its the VIRUS configuring him into a UBER OMAC, as given by his designation Alpha One.

[Thnikkaman]

So you mean to tell me that Sasha has more willpower than Superman. Really? :rolleyes:

Somebody is playing favorites with their created character.

It isn't Superman. It's Ned the Robot.

Seriously, am I the only one who figured this out immediately?

[Zero Hunter]

Yes I think the other girl in the cell is the one who protected Sasha's mind because not only was she preventing Max, she was also disrupting Brother I.

I couldnt believe they ran into Guy, thats JLI nostalgia right there, though all of a sudden guy looks alot like Conan OBrien.

Interesting how the OMACs bleed...


I don't think they just ran into Guy. It looked like Guy was looking for Booster to find out the truth about wether Ted was dead or not. Say what you will about Guy he was and always has been loyal to his friends and teammates even if he doesn't like them or they don't like him.

[Kid Kamikaze10]

As I said, what happened in OMAC issue 3?

[Tom]

It isn't Superman. It's Ned the Robot.

Seriously, am I the only one who figured this out immediately?
Man, if that big Supes/WW fight we've been hearing about for months turns out to be a WW-vs.-a-freaking-Superman-robot fight, color me PISSED.

[Zero Hunter]

As I said, what happened in OMAC issue 3?

Batman took on the 3 Omacs soilders and they kicked his ass. He would have probaly been killed but Superman saved him from drowing after the Omac knocked him through a wall and into the water. Sasha was taken in to custody by one of the Omacs and delevered back to Checkmate. Max tried to use his mind control powers on Sasha to force her to tell him what she told Batman, but his powers didn't work on her for some reason. Booster and Wonder Women searched all over in orbit to try and find Brother Eye but with no luck. Guy Gardner joined up with them to find out from Booster if it was true that Beetle was dead. Guy and WW got into a little pissing match and Booster broke them up. Guy and Booster took off to find Teds killer themselves since they figured that they owed it to Ted and to gather up the rest of their old JLI crew.

[K'Nort]

Man, if that big Supes/WW fight we've been hearing about for months turns out to be a WW-vs.-a-freaking-Superman-robot fight, color me PISSED.

Speaking of which, I was not thrilled to see in the back of this issue that I was expected to pick up four different issues of Superman/Wonder Woman titles before issue #4 in order to know what's going on.

[pureclint]

Speaking of which, I was not thrilled to see in the back of this issue that I was expected to pick up four different issues of Superman/Wonder Woman titles before issue #4 in order to know what's going on.


I did not get that it was required but a stepping stone from 3 to 4. It just seemed like a tie in, somwhat like Deathstroke in Batgirl and Black Adam in Superman. Nice little addition but not necessary for the plot of the mini. Of course I could be wrong, and DC could be making a play for all our fat cash!

[Captain Jim]

I'm not sure if it's "essential" reading or not, but I do think it's a step up from the other tie-in's we've been seeing to date. Personally, I'm picking up all the crossovers and loving this to death, so it doesn't bother me. I can appreciate that not everyone may be able or inclined to do so, however.

[The Shadow]

I'm not sure if it's "essential" reading or not, but I do think it's a step up from the other tie-in's we've been seeing to date. Personally, I'm picking up all the crossovers and loving this to death, so it doesn't bother me. I can appreciate that not everyone may be able or inclined to do so, however.
I thought it wasn't NEEDED to understand the whole story... but if you read everything it would give you a more complete picture.

I'm loving all the stuff too!

[UniqueFrequency]

this was a good issue. seeing Batman get beat in a way that isn't cheap (like one punch from Hal Jordan) was cool.

my fave Infinite Crisis tie-in issue so far. i'm just wondering with that story running through SUperman if i should drop Wonder Woman next month...

[pureclint]

It is in Wonder Woman to, actually WW has the final chapter.

[CoreyB]

Highly agreed K'Nort. I've been enjoying The OMAC Project quite a bit, but I was a little peeved to discover that there is a 4-part mini-story arc that I'm being asked to read before getting the next issue. Haven't we learned anything from the crossover burn-out of the '90s? Can't we have a mini-series that tells a story on its own? Is that really too much to ask?

Otherwise, the issue itself was great. I've never seen Batman get pummeled like that before. He just seemed completely out of control of the situation. Of course, I haven't read THAT many Batman stories, and he was pretty out-classed (power-wise). But it was cool to see. I'm also surprised to see him so emotionally connected with Sasha. He's usually so cold and imposing and distant. Who is she to him? Has it been established that they have a relationship before?

I also kept waiting for someone (like Superman) to come in and save Sasha before she got carted away, so it was cool to see the bad guys actually get away with it.

I loved the jail interrogation scene. Now how was the Black King unable to telepathically probe her mind? Was it Sasha, or was it the other woman in there with her? (I forget her name, but she was revealed as a traitor to the organization in a previous issue.) I kind of thought it was the woman because of the look exchanged between them right after the Black King walks out from the interrogation.

EDIT: Sorry if I'm asking questions that have been answered earlier in this thread. I've never been a big DC reader for some reason, so this is all new to me.

[BenjaminBirdie]

Highly agreed K'Nort. I've been enjoying The OMAC Project quite a bit, but I was a little peeved to discover that there is a 4-part mini-story arc that I'm being asked to read before getting the next issue. Haven't we learned anything from the crossover burn-out of the '90s? Can't we have a mini-series that tells a story on its own? Is that really too much to ask?

I don't know, it seems like kind of a flimsy argument to claim that a comic with COUNTDOWN TO INFINITE CRISIS plastered on the cover ought to stand well completely on its own. And, believe me, if DC learned anything from the crossover burn-out of the 90's, they certainly would not be undertaking this project, one that literally EVERY SINGLE DC BOOK will be taking part in the month before "One Year Later".

I will say this, however. I don't really see this as a hack attempt at getting people to buy books they wouldn't normally be interested in simply because of an extra crossover logo on the cover. DC has actually created a story that has or will have legitimate impact on the entire universe. As someone who just six months ago collected maybe 20% of DC's output, the depth of thought that went into making all this work has certainly gotten me interested in DC comics again, to the point where there's maybe only 20% of their DCU output that I'm NOT interested in. The turning point for me was Green Lantern: Rebirth. A perfect example of something that drew heavily on continuity but never let that get in the way of its spectaular dramatic pacing. And now pretty much the entire DCU is wrapped up in that same level of pacing, with things all over the universe contributing to this sense of impending doom and conflict. It's completely old school. I doubt it will draw in any non-comics readers (hence the move to create All Star Comics) but to someone who was drawn to comics as a kid the first time he saw The Fall of The Mutants logo on an entire rack of books at 7 11, this is right up my alley, and DC is currently outrunning Marvel in my weekly pile for the first time ever.

But YMMV. I've never had a problem with mini-serieses crossing over with other titles, as long as the story is a good one, and I'm going to go ahead and trust Rucka on this one, especially because the crossover will most likely bring to a head the Bat/Supes/WW conflict that's been brewing for months now. And if you're not interested in that, well, I don't know what to tell you. I guess you every right to be peeved.

[K'Nort]

especially because the crossover will most likely bring to a head the Bat/Supes/WW conflict that's been brewing for months now. And if you're not interested in that, well, I don't know what to tell you. I guess you every right to be peeved.

It's not always a lack of interest. Some of us are just plain unaware of a growing conflict. Depends on which titles we read. Hopefully the writers will take that into account once it starts wrapping into everything else.

[BenjaminBirdie]

It's not always a lack of interest. Some of us are just plain unaware of a growing conflict. Depends on which titles we read. Hopefully the writers will take that into account once it starts wrapping into everything else.

True enough. It's tricky because there's so much stuff going on, and all of this "conflict" is really based on like a four page scene in an Adventures Of Superman a few months back.

While I prefer that kind of subtelty and nuance as opposed to hitting us over the head with it, anvil-style, it can make for some confused readers who don't have the time, patience, and/or money to read everything that Greg Rucka, Judd Winnick, and Geoff Johns have written for DC over the past two years.

[pureclint]

True enough. It's tricky because there's so much stuff going on, and all of this "conflict" is really based on like a four page scene in an Adventures Of Superman a few months back.

While I prefer that kind of subtelty and nuance as opposed to hitting us over the head with it, anvil-style, it can make for some confused readers who don't have the time, patience, and/or money to read everything that Greg Rucka, Judd Winnick, and Geoff Johns have written for DC over the past two years.


Isnt that exactly why they are doing the "Countdown to Infinite Crisis - CRISIS COUNSELLING" stuff? So we do not have to buy everybook with a link yet we do not miss the story bits.

I also agree fully with you "this crossover is old school and meaningful" paragraph a post back. So far I have loved the unified feel of the DCU though out the build up.

[K'Nort]

I do like the wholesale crossover overall. But I noticed a problem today. How the heck to I store it? The stuff I'm buying specifically for the crossover, it makes sense to just put in order. But there are other tied-in series that I get regardless, so do I put those issues with the crossover or with the title? And don't say buy two of each. It occured to me.

[PanzerMega]

I do like the wholesale crossover overall. But I noticed a problem today. How the heck to I store it? The stuff I'm buying specifically for the crossover, it makes sense to just put in order. But there are other tied-in series that I get regardless, so do I put those issues with the crossover or with the title? And don't say buy two of each. It occured to me.

I would just store them with the rest of the title's run, in numerical order.

[BenjaminBirdie]

I do like the wholesale crossover overall. But I noticed a problem today. How the heck to I store it? The stuff I'm buying specifically for the crossover, it makes sense to just put in order. But there are other tied-in series that I get regardless, so do I put those issues with the crossover or with the title? And don't say buy two of each. It occured to me.

It's funny that you mentioned that, because about a week ago I went through all my comics, pulled out anything DC that even had the potential to impact on anything continuity wise and then put it all together organized by cover date. Because there is just no way I was going to be to sort out any kind of workable chronology.

It's worked out pretty well.

[CoreyB]

I don't know, it seems like kind of a flimsy argument to claim that a comic with COUNTDOWN TO INFINITE CRISIS plastered on the cover ought to stand well completely on its own.

Good point. Although, I thought that DC running 6 mini-series leading up to this big Infinite Crisis thing was way overkill, just like I think the parade of mini-series for that Seven Soldiers thing is out of control. I don't mind stuff bleeding into other books. It is one universe, and as you say, the entire line is getting ready for that One Year Forward thing. But I think there's a way to do it where you aren't being asked to read a 4-part story in the middle of another 6-part story. It just seems like messy story-telling and feels greedy and unnecessary. Couldn't Rucka have told this Superman/Wonder Woman story without it being so tightly connected to The OMAC Project story? I bet he could, with some clever substitution (someone else mind-controls Superman, assuming that's what happened at the end of the last issue).

I'm not really a regular DC reader. I read Teen Titans for a while and read The Question mini-series. Then I read Identity Crisis after a friend bought me the first couple issues for my birthday or Christmas (I forget which), and I thought it was great. DC Countdown to Infinite Crisis was such a good deal, I decided to get that. And of course that was good, too. But I was only interested in the Blue Beetle murderer part of the storyline. So the same friend that bought me Identity Crisis bought me the first issue of The OMAC Project, which grabbed me enough for me to want to get the rest of it. I don't read any monthly Superman books and really have no desire to. I don't read Wonder Woman either. Maybe I'll just pick that up since it's the conclusion and should hopefully catch me up on what happened in the Superman issues. But I'm tempted to not pick up any of it and see how the next issue of OMAC reads.

Like I said, I don't mind things being connected. It gives readers who follow more of the universe something extra and that's cool. But I think it's a little unfair to readers financially if they commit to one title and then are asked to get more titles to be able to enjoy or even understand the whole story. Especially with a limited series where a finite story with a beginning, middle and end would be expected to be contained.

Just my 2 cents.

[hitokiri_]

hey.... looks like omac is a virus. that turns anyonr into a ..... OMAC.

http://dccomics.com/comics/?cm=4173

looks like the omac bonded with max lord. (just guessing.)

[BenjaminBirdie]

Good point. Although, I thought that DC running 6 mini-series leading up to this big Infinite Crisis thing was way overkill, just like I think the parade of mini-series for that Seven Soldiers thing is out of control. I don't mind stuff bleeding into other books. It is one universe, and as you say, the entire line is getting ready for that One Year Forward thing. But I think there's a way to do it where you aren't being asked to read a 4-part story in the middle of another 6-part story. It just seems like messy story-telling and feels greedy and unnecessary. Couldn't Rucka have told this Superman/Wonder Woman story without it being so tightly connected to The OMAC Project story? I bet he could, with some clever substitution (someone else mind-controls Superman, assuming that's what happened at the end of the last issue).

See, that to me sounds inredibly sloppy and much more arbitrary than trying to legitimately link up the entire universe. What you're describing (having Supes mindcontrolled by someone else) sounds like a completely artificial act simply to avoid a crossover. I'm sure a lot of the aspects of the ongoing Crisis set up have arisen not from an editorial edict but from one of the writers going "Hey, wouldn't it be cool if such and such did so and so?" and sure, that story probably could have been told on its own, but DC has made a not unrisky decision to work even harder and make all of those stories and ideas bleed into each other and, most importantly, actually effect each other.

It's only four mini-serieses but your point is still definitely valid and when Countdown started up I was just as mortified by the prospect of reading all of them. Now just a few months later, they're just the tip of the iceberg, as I'm now collecting JSA, Batman, Catwoman (although to be fair, that is completely Pete Woods' fault), Outsiders, Teen Titans, Flash, Hawkman, Wonder Woman, Adventures Of Superman, Superman, Birds Of Prey, and Action Comics when previously I only collected Superman/Batman and the Green Lantern books on a regular basis.

As far as Seven Soldiers go, I can see where you're coming from, but really a large point of the entire project is precisely that it's so bulky and unweildy. I wouldn't be as fun if it was just a six issue limited series. There wouldn't be any room for any nuance and detail. And, come to think of it, that's what is appealing to me the most about the rest of the DC Universe right now. As opposed to crafting a crossover where everyone's storylines and lives are being uprooted and replaced by a new, bloated, and temporary story, all of the storylines in DCU are slowly intertwining themselves, the heroes are facing some of their toughest challenges ALREADY, with only the fringes of the overall Crisis having an impact. Although things are definitely becoming more and more tied together, and DC is making it more and more difficult to simply enjoy a few of their titles without reading the rest of them, it could honestly be a thousand times worse. I mean, imagine being excited about the prospect of an extra sized Annual story only to find that your favorite character has simply been thrown into a flimsy excuse to introduce a new super-hero.

Lets be honest, though, the purpose of any event like this is to sell more books. The reason EA bought NFL exclusivity was to sell more games, and they could've done so easily without any innovation to the Madden franchise. DC could've made Crisis an incredibly intrusive crossover that interrupted dozens of storylines (to see how easy it is to do, look at how the Eclipso crossover a few months back in Superman inexplicably hit the pause button on Road To Ruin) and still made tons of money off of any of the books that had a little Crisis logo on them. But they decided to go one better and slowly drive everyone in the universe to the same point. I mean, when you think about it, so much of these storylines and "Crises" are being driven by character moments, sometimes even silent panels (WW in OMAC, Bats' reaction to WW's "Did you know?" in Advs Of Superman), which displays an incredible amount of restraint and a desire to make this less about punching (although there's been quite a bit of that) and more about bringing the DC Universe the kind of realism and drama that the MU has always had by default.

It's unfortunate for anyone who doesn't like crossovers at all, absolutely, but it could've been eight hundred zillion times worse.

[Lex]

Although, I thought that DC running 6 mini-series leading up to this big Infinite Crisis thing was way overkill, just like I think the parade of mini-series for that Seven Soldiers thing is out of control.


Okay, sorry for being off topic, but I have to defend Seven Soldiers here for a second. From the very start, this series was described as 7 seperate minis that you don't have to read to get a complete story. But, buying all 7 minis will show you how they all connect, but it's not required that you do so. So, if you just want a good Mister Miracle story, you can happily read the Mister Miracle mini without worrying about how it connects to the other Seven Soldiers books.

[Captain Jim]

Back on the Superman & WW books crossing over into OMAC Project...

If you read the solicitation material for these books, it doesn't really sound like they are that intricately connected. (Of course, I could be wrong.) For anyone sitting on the fence, I'd wait and check out some of the reviews before thinking I had to pick them all up.

Yeah, I know it said "Before you pick up the next issue read..." but I think that's just comic book hype.

So far, I think they've done a great job of referencing other books without it being essential for one to read them. It makes it more meaningful for those who have read them, without losing those who haven't. For example, in this issue...

Superman asks Batman, "You think it's the same [Omac] I fought in the Amazon and Metropolis?" For those in the know, he's clearly referencing events in Superman #217 and Adventures of Superman #641. But for anyone else, it's simply a throw-away comment.

Or take Batman's thoughts to himself: "Did she lead them here? Is this another betrayal? No, not Sasha. She never betrayed me...even when I gave her every reason to." The well-versed reader will remember back during "Bruce Wayne...Murderer?" when Bruce escaped from prison, but left Sasha locked up for weeks on end. She'd been falsely charged, but stayed in prison rather than reveal Bruce's secret ID. Again, makes the story more meaningful for those who understand the reference, but doesn't really hinder those who don't.

I say, "Well done!" Personally, I'm loving this. :D

[BenjaminBirdie]

Or take Batman's thoughts to himself: "Did she lead them here? Is this another betrayal? No, not Sasha. She never betrayed me...even when I gave her every reason to." The well-versed reader will remember back during "Bruce Wayne...Murderer?" when Bruce escaped from prison, but left Sasha locked up for weeks on end. She'd been falsely charged, but stayed in prison rather than reveal Bruce's secret ID.

I say, "Well done!" Personally, I'm loving this. :D

Man. I'd forgotten all about that! Nice!

I'm with you, though.

[Lex]

If you read the solicitation material for these books, it doesn't really sound like they are that intricately connected. (Of course, I could be wrong.) For anyone sitting on the fence, I'd wait and check out some of the reviews before thinking I had to pick them all up.

I hope they're not super connected. I'm getting Action Comics because Gail is writing the best Superman book in 10 years. I was thinking about skipping Action that month, but Gail is a good enough writer to make any forced crossover enjoyable.

[K'Nort]

I do recognize that I don't HAVE to pick up the linked in solo titles to keep up with the story. That was made pretty clear by the officially tied-in BOP. But I just know I'm anal-retentive enough to buy them anyway. It's a personal problem. The editors are handling it well.

[CoreyB]

Point taken about the Seven Soldiers.

The comments that Captain Jim referenced I'm totally cool with. I figured they were referring to other comics, but they were done so that I wasn't completely lost. Agreed, that was well done. If OMAC Project #4 deals with the Superman & Wonder Woman issues the same way, I'll have no complaints.

The more I think about it, I think it was the way the blurb said "Before you read #4..." as if this 6-issue mini-series is now a 10-part story, which to me wouldn't be fair. If you want to do the Superman/Wonder Woman stuff, and it is that crucial and integral to the OMAC Project story, why not integrate it into the entire mini-series so that it's all there in one mini-series?

In the end, I suppose these are good complaints to have. Because really, I'm complaining that I want to read more but can't afford it, meaning I'm invested and interested. So, not the worst problem in the world to have, from a publisher's point of view.

[Jack Zodiac]

The O.M.A.C. Project #3, page 17, panel three.

Maxwell Lord [to Sasha Bordeux]: How are you doing this? There's maybe only one person who can fight me... How can you fight me?

Batman? Sure, there's a load of people who could shrug off his mind control. But in the context of the situation, is he talking about Batman? And is this foreshadowing a showdown between he and Max over Brother I and O.M.A.C.?

Swift prediction: towards the end of the Infinite Crisis, Batman and Max fight. Max flexes his mental powers to try and subdue Batman, succeeding only in slowing him down enought that he doesn't Bruce Lee his ass into a wall in the first five seconds of the fight. In the end, Batman brutalizes Max and Max dies of mixed results of getting stomped, hemmoraging from his mind control powers, and his brain cancer. So, my prediction is that Batman will, technically, kill Maxwell Lord.

[UniqueFrequency]

Back on the Superman & WW books crossing over into OMAC Project...

If you read the solicitation material for these books, it doesn't really sound like they are that intricately connected. (Of course, I could be wrong.) For anyone sitting on the fence, I'd wait and check out some of the reviews before thinking I had to pick them all up.

Yeah, I know it said "Before you pick up the next issue read..." but I think that's just comic book hype.

So far, I think they've done a great job of referencing other books without it being essential for one to read them. It makes it more meaningful for those who have read them, without losing those who haven't. For example, in this issue...

Superman asks Batman, "You think it's the same [Omac] I fought in the Amazon and Metropolis?" For those in the know, he's clearly referencing events in Superman #217 and Adventures of Superman #641. But for anyone else, it's simply a throw-away comment.

Or take Batman's thoughts to himself: "Did she lead them here? Is this another betrayal? No, not Sasha. She never betrayed me...even when I gave her every reason to." The well-versed reader will remember back during "Bruce Wayne...Murderer?" when Bruce escaped from prison, but left Sasha locked up for weeks on end. She'd been falsely charged, but stayed in prison rather than reveal Bruce's secret ID. Again, makes the story more meaningful for those who understand the reference, but doesn't really hinder those who don't.

I say, "Well done!" Personally, I'm loving this. :D

i agree. i hadn't even really paid attention to the Superman line 'cause i don't read the Superman comics.

although now i think 2 things.

1) it's nice to see some cross referencing for continuity's sake

but

2) if the books say 'read this before coming back next month, i'd like it to be for a bigger reason other than so that i can recognise the relevance of a line mentioned in the book

[Void]

I'm thinking big brother satellite is still somewhat faithful to batman. The way it keeps refering to him creator. Lord also fears batman, maybe he's afraid of batman's influence bb. I wouldn't be surprised if bb gains intelligence and becomes a solaris like enemy. In other words extremely up there powerwise.

[ScottDMSimmons]

I want the JLI to re-form to hurt Max badly.

http://www.scottdmsimmons.com/max.jpg

[Apathy Boy]

Anyone as stupidly stupid as Sasha deserves to die.

First question on the Secret Agent Academy final exam: "When you've only got seconds before you're captured by three superpowered assassins and Batman asks you who's behind it, how do you respond?"

A. "Max Lord!"
B. "Checkmate, but not the Checkmate you may have come across in the past. The Black King is their leader. He's not actually black, though. He's not a member of the British royal family, either. Speaking of which, what do you think about Charles and Camilla? Oh, right, the mastermind behind Blue Beetle's death. It's Ma -- ARGH!"

Ugh. I think this might've been a good issue, but that one moment was so contrived it took me right out of the story.

Well the OMACs are people (sorta like the Prime Sentinels from that ugh-ish Zero Tolerance X-over from the Marvelous competitors) who, I guess, have been extensively modified. The question is - by whom?I'm actually kind of wondering if the OMACs are anyone we know. Maybe Checkmate is capturing superhumans and turning them into OMACs.

Oh, and who is the one person who can maybe fight Max's power?

[EXITAR]

Anyone as stupidly stupid as Sasha deserves to die.

First question on the Secret Agent Academy final exam: "When you've only got seconds before you're captured by three superpowered assassins and Batman asks you who's behind it, how do you respond?"

A. "Max Lord!"
B. "Checkmate, but not the Checkmate you may have come across in the past. The Black King is their leader. He's not actually black, though. He's not a member of the British royal family, either. Speaking of which, what do you think about Charles and Camilla? Oh, right, the mastermind behind Blue Beetle's death. It's Ma -- ARGH!"

Ugh. I think this might've been a good issue, but that one moment was so contrived it took me right out of the story.

I'm actually kind of wondering if the OMACs are anyone we know. Maybe Checkmate is capturing superhumans and turning them into OMACs.

Oh, and who is the one person who can maybe fight Max's power?
I think the one person who can fight max`s power is the man from mars. :)

[Tom]

Anyone as stupidly stupid as Sasha deserves to die.

First question on the Secret Agent Academy final exam: "When you've only got seconds before you're captured by three superpowered assassins and Batman asks you who's behind it, how do you respond?"

A. "Max Lord!"
B. "Checkmate, but not the Checkmate you may have come across in the past. The Black King is their leader. He's not actually black, though. He's not a member of the British royal family, either. Speaking of which, what do you think about Charles and Camilla? Oh, right, the mastermind behind Blue Beetle's death. It's Ma -- ARGH!"

Ugh. I think this might've been a good issue, but that one moment was so contrived it took me right out of the story.

Heh. I have to agree with that. Did anyone notice or mention that in the panel where Bats gets shot in the shoulder - and hey what's up with that? That OMAC ray thingy pierced his shoulder and exited the other side and - no wound. Weird.

Anyway, is it me or does it look like Sasha's putting something in his utility belt? I mean it may just be a fluke of the art, but they made such a big deal out of him losing and regaining his belt that I'm wondering if it's not.

[Nick Kal]

The OMAC Project has been a really good mini series. Beyond all the cool Brother I stuff I like that we're seeing Booster and Guy setting up the old League from back in the day. After Ice, and Fire, and maybe even Elongated Man (hopefully), we'll get to Max and the reaction of the heroes should be great.

Booster is totally coming into his own in this series and I hope he becomes a break out star in Comics like DC suggests will happen.

Also, I'm so loving Sasha. She's a cool character and I want to know how she resisted Max's power. Oh, and.. Batman is totally awesome and I want to see him and Sasha work together some more.

Now I can't wait to see what's up with Superman... I started Sacrifice and hopefully it'll add to my enjoyment of OMAC.

[CjP]

Has it ever been discussed:

* How Lord took over Checkmate.

* How Lord became aware of Brother I, got the knowlegde and expertise to not only take it over, but lock Batman out of it, and

* How the OMAC(s) refer to Batman as 'Creator', even though Batman seems to have no knowledge of them?

[Captain Jim]

I believe those are all "no" at the moment.

[Guts/Batman]

What exactly are "OMACS" in OMAC 3 Batman cut into one with a blade. So we know they are not full machines? Hopefully this gets answered in #4.

As for the one person that can defeat him.

I'd take a guess that he is talking about Bruce or the Spectre.

[CjP]

What exactly are "OMACS" in OMAC 3 Batman cut into one with a blade. So we know they are not full machines? Hopefully this gets answered in #4.

As for the one person that can defeat him.

I'd take a guess that he is talking about Bruce or the Spectre.

This was revealed in Countdown, where an OMAC was 'downloaded' into one of the two lackeys standing behind Lord, who then proceeded to the beat the stuffing out of Beetle. They are human inside, but somehow enhanced.

[Guts/Batman]

This was revealed in Countdown, where an OMAC was 'downloaded' into one of the two lackeys standing behind Lord, who then proceeded to the beat the stuffing out of Beetle. They are human inside, but somehow enhanced.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm...I'll have to re read that. It's been awhile since I have read Countdown.

[Andy S.]

Okay, so according to this,

http://www.diamondcomics.com/shipping/expected_072705.txt

Omac #4 will be shipped before Wonder Woman #219 (sacrifice part 4).

So aren't we supposed to read Wonder Woman before picking up the next part of Omac? What's up with that?

[Phil Kollar]

Okay, so according to this,

http://www.diamondcomics.com/shipping/expected_072705.txt

Omac #4 will be shipped before Wonder Woman #219 (sacrifice part 4).

So aren't we supposed to read Wonder Woman before picking up the next part of Omac? What's up with that?

Omac 4 and Wonder Woman 219 should be shipping the same week. That's what it says on DC's site at least.

[Bored at 3:00AM]

Both were originally Jack Kirby concepts, so it would be an interesting twist if The Manhunters' tech was used to build these OMAC androids showing up everywhere...and they have just returned in GL.

Just a theory....

[Tom]

Both were originally Jack Kirby concepts, so it would be an interesting twist if The Manhunters' tech was used to build these OMAC androids showing up everywhere...and they have just returned in GL.

Just a theory....
And an interesting one, but I have to say I hope that's not it. Manhunter tech (seeing as how it was created by the Guardians millenia ago) should be so far advanced from Earth tech that it would be impossible for it to be adapted.

[Expletive Deleted]

Max does have a history with extraterrestrial tech, so I suppose it's possible.

Although if that were the case, would it really make sense to bring in the Manhunters in GL as part of a completely unrelated storyline at roughly the same time?

[Chris Thomas]

my guess is that the omac 'droids' are actually real people somehow altered and controlled by the omac satelite. that is how they can appear from anywhere, they bleed, and they disapear into thin air

[pureclint]

my guess is that the omac 'droids' are actually real people somehow altered and controlled by the omac satelite. that is how they can appear from anywhere, they bleed, and they disapear into thin air


Yeah it does seem that way, maybe some nano tech is being used.

However the next issue of Manhunter does have Omac ties...

[Bored at 3:00AM]

And an interesting one, but I have to say I hope that's not it. Manhunter tech (seeing as how it was created by the Guardians millenia ago) should be so far advanced from Earth tech that it would be impossible for it to be adapted.

I dunno, these OMAC thingies seem capable of giving Superman a run for his money. That would need to be pretty damn advanced. And surely people like Max Lord and Lex Luthor wouldn't be constrained by whether or not technology comes from the Earth or not. They do have numerous offworld contacts to help them out.

And I don't think the original Manhunter androids are anywhere near as sophisticated as something like an Oan power ring or battery. They were created billions of years prior to the Corps, so the technology could be primitive in comparison.

Remember, the government was doing something with that original Manhunter android in the pages of Green Lantern. Could they be reverse engineering it like they were Abin Sur's spaceship?

[Bored at 3:00AM]

Max does have a history with extraterrestrial tech, so I suppose it's possible.

Although if that were the case, would it really make sense to bring in the Manhunters in GL as part of a completely unrelated storyline at roughly the same time?

Green Lantern is written by Geoff Johns, the primary mastermind behind the entire Infinite Crisis thing, are you sure it's a completely unrelated storyline? The story ain't over yet.

[Guts/Batman]

At this point I think anything is possible.

Even if it is completely illogical.

I'm betting that Bruce will find out about the OMAC virus, will it be this issue?

[K'Nort]

I'm betting that Bruce will find out about the OMAC virus, will it be this issue?

Four of six? I hope so, although I could see them dragging it out another issue. He's not spending this one beaten to a pulp, is he?

[hondobrode]

I never put the two Kirby concepts together : Manhunters and OMAC's. I'll bet there IS a connection.

[Expletive Deleted]

Green Lantern is written by Geoff Johns, the primary mastermind behind the entire Infinite Crisis thing, are you sure it's a completely unrelated storyline?He's writing IC, but I get the impression that OMAC is Rucka's baby. What with the Bat-Dickery, the return of his old Bat-Characters, the crossover with his current WONDER WOMAN run, and all.

And besides, given DC's current crossover mentality, can you imagine them having an OMAC tie-in somewhere and not plastering the logo on the cover?The story ain't over yet.True enough.

[Kid Kamikaze10]

I heard this from the DCcomics.com boards....




SPOILER ALERT!!!!!!!





Wonder Woman slices Supes throat with her tiara and snaps Max's neck!


That's pretty much the only details I got.... For now.

Oh yeah.... The Solaris theory that's been going around.... I'm starting to believe it.

[BenjaminBirdie]

:eek:

Whoa.

SPOILINGERS!


So, as much as I saw the overall plot shift coming, I really didn't realize the impact. I figured with Max dead, the OMAC series would be hell of boring and pretty much pointless but in WW #219 and OMAC #4 the ground has been laid and, color me surprised, the new sentient Brother Eye is actually more interesting than old Maxie.

And Wonder Woman is so out of control boned. She killed a guy on what will undoubtedly soon be global television and is indirectly responsible for killing or injuring a bunch of people whose cars she demolished when she crash landed in Rock Springs, Wyoming. Just a note, this was the best issue of Wonder Woman in ages and one of the best DC issues of anything I've read in a very long time. If IC has even half this kind of material, it's going to be so effing amazing.

And, yes, I was wrong. Sacrifice was actually critical reading in between OMAC 3 and 4 which is sort of a weak thing for DC to do but the story is so spectacular that I'll let them slide just this once. However, the focus shifts strongly back to Checkmate and Brother Eye, which has always been the focus of the OMAC series and which was in no way the focus of Sacrifice. But the two stories are definitely essential to one another.

Also, Sasha gets impaled, but I'm willing to bet she's got about as much chance of ending up dead as Nate Fisher did this week on Six Feet Under.

Rucka has officially brought his A Game, folks. Read it and weep.

[TCJohnson]

And, yes, I was wrong. Sacrifice was actually critical reading in between OMAC 3 and 4 which is sort of a weak thing for DC to do but the story is so spectacular that I'll let them slide just this once.

i ain't letting it slide. It is a cheap and commercial ploy by DC. This is the same thing Marvel did in the late 80s and early 90s that caused me to drop comics for 10 years. I couldn't keep up financially with all the cross overs. I am not going to reward DC just because Rucka can't write a self sustaining story.

[BenjaminBirdie]

i ain't letting it slide. It is a cheap and commercial ploy by DC. This is the same thing Marvel did in the late 80s and early 90s that caused me to drop comics for 10 years. I couldn't keep up financially with all the cross overs. I am not going to reward DC just because Rucka can't write a self sustaining story.

How is it "cheap"? It's a critical aspect of the OVERALL Countdown storyline but with a completely different focus than the OMAC mini-series. Sorry but I've said this many times, if you want to read super-hero comics whose whose storylines are completely independent of one another, don't walk away from DC's books. Run.

I read those Marvel comics too, man, and I can tell you from experience, Sacrifice is NOTHING like those hackjobs. It's a critical turning point for the entire DCU, not just some lame excuse to introduce new mutants or bring old ones back from the dead. (Ah, The Legacy Virus crossovers, how I miss the gentle glow of your hologram card covers...)

If you can honestly say you're not interested in the developments in Sacrifice, I've really got to wonder what your interest is in the DCU at all. I don'