Poll : Do you prefer Rogue and Gambit together ? or separated ?

[Neolucifer]

I know this is an already often debated subject in many topics , much like emma/jean/scott in a sister thread . However i'd like to get an idea of what people think about the rogue/gambit couple so far . besides i realized i havent much , yet , started convos , but instead participated in many topics :D .

My opinion about the subject is the following :

Gambit only works as a mysterious recurring guest . He needs to be off any team on a regular basis , to break up with rogue , and to hook up again with dark people as Sinister .

half of his past charm was his constant ambiguity , "good or evil ?" , and also the plot induced by bishop about a traitor to xavier and the xmen . once all of those were resolved he became a stupid clown throwing cards , and "mon chere" all the time , while bringing down Rogue .

Why do i feel he is rogue's downfall ? I dont have a definite answer as opposed to jean/scott's case . Gambit always striked me when introduced as just a crush , the mysterious handsome stranger , the "bad boy" , many girls would fall for , then move on .
With most of his secrecy apprently gone , and being imo overexposed as a now permanent member of the xmen , most of his charisma is imo gone . besides the few secret he still got about his past , and his dark connections , can only further help driving rogue apart .

[Sandoz]

I say Gambit and Rogue should break up. Their relationship is nothing but an endless cycle of angst now, and both characters should go solo for a while.

[Sanagi]

X-Men Evolution made me realize that Rogue is a really cool character when she's not moping over not being able to get nasty with the Cajun. And when you don't have to read her accent.

[Valmore]

Gambit is much more interesting when he's not tied down. And when he has a better writer. His solo series would be a lot better if it was just a better writer doing it.

[Bryan Rios]

I say Gambit and Rogue should break up. Their relationship is nothing but an endless cycle of angst now, and both characters should go solo for a while.
Word. And Gambit would also be a far greater character without all the angst.

[Tenebrae]

I'd rather see them break up. I think their relationship had a lot of promise, and Rogue dealing with this situation would a story that had to be told at some point, but I think it got lost along the way. They became so on-again off-again and their stories started feeling like the same tale being told over and over again. They also, somehow, became slightly seperated from the rest of the characters, their relationships completely eclipsed by their relationship with each other.

It would take an excellent writer to salvage their relationship and make it interesting, and I'm not sure I have the will to want to see it happen these days. The awkward thing is, their relationship has become such a focus of their characters that, like Scott and Jean, they've become an intrinsic part of each other's characters. They'd need to be completely seperated, and for a seriously long time, to regain the strength both of them once had as characters. And then some new writer would come along and get them back together because that's the way it used to be... I don't hold out a huge amount of hope for them. Which is a tragedy, really.

[The Shadow]

Rogue And Emma Baby!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Crimson]

Together but their whole relationship needs to focus on how they can't touch... as soon as they can touch the relationship is pretty dull.

[UncannyAsianGirl]

Rogue And Emma Baby!!!!!!!!!!!!

Way to go against the flow. XD

I must know, are you being serious? I'd love to see your justification for your answer. =P

Now I can't help but wonder if Rogue's powers will affect Emma in her diamond form... But what's the point in kissing a shiny rock? Can Emma feel in diamond form? Gah... Darn you for making me ponder such things. 0_o

Perhaps Rogue and Remy need an extended break from each other, until someone comes along and actually does something interesting with their relationship. The cycle of on again and off again and the whole angst bit over not being able to touch has been done to death, and it's time for something new.

Meh... I basically restated what everyone else was saying. ^^;;

[Neolucifer]

Well i was also more interested by Rogue/Magneto , truth be told . And AoA and its current sequel only helped adding more fuel to that wish :D .

[rogueslayer14]

I think they should stay together.

[The Fury]

I don't like her with Gambit so that option.

But Why is Emma a choice? Emma seams to be the only choice in any of threads like this?

I know Rogue may swing that way but does Emma?

[SMKSPY]

I really don't know...I've never thought about it before. I guess I'm too distracted by The Bold and the Beautiful.

[Cayman]

It's boring when you tame bad boy guys like Gambit. So I say split them up.

Cay

[Neolucifer]

But Why is Emma a choice? Emma seams to be the only choice in any of threads like this?

I know Rogue may swing that way but does Emma?

Dont read to much into this , just a fun gimmick and something stupid i like to throw around in those thread . Hell i might even do the god awfully horrid and forbidden Marrow/Emma if given the chance !!

[The Fury]

Dont read to much into this , just a fun gimmick and something stupid i like to throw around in those thread . Hell i might even do the god awfully horrid and forbidden Marrow/Emma if given the chance !!
Cool. I just find it odd that it's always Emma as the more fun choice.

[DDM]

Rogue & Gambit were far more interesting characters when they were not a couple. Rogue never whined; she rarely cried. But once she became Gambit's girlfriend, she turned into a whiny sponge of guilt. Likewise, Gambit was more interesting when there was great chunks of his past was left a mystery. Marvel revealed everything too fast & too soon. Gambit would have been more interesting under Claremont's pen.

[Vegetarian Goat]

pre-gambit, rogue was a fun-lovin', wisecrack makin', ass-kickin', beer-drinkin', sassy southern belle, who was mildly unpredictable. now, she's a depressed introvert who seems to be defined by her "relationship" with gambit.

Split 'em up! :D

[Fionnuala]

Prefer them together. Breaking people up because other writers have been lazy is also lazy. There's no reason why couples can't be interesting, but it's easier to get the angst factor out of tossing them 'round. Besides, out of all the X-couples, they're the most fun when they're written well and can spark off each other.

[Ant-Man]

Rogue & Gambit were far more interesting characters when they were not a couple. Rogue never whined; she rarely cried. But once she became Gambit's girlfriend, she turned into a whiny sponge of guilt. Likewise, Gambit was more interesting when there was great chunks of his past was left a mystery. Marvel revealed everything too fast & too soon. Gambit would have been more interesting under Claremont's pen.

DDM, I do not think a lot of the posters on this message board have been reading the X-Men comic books as long as you or I have, and have not seen how good of a character Rogue was before she hooked up with Gambit. It is a shame that Rogue went down hill so fast when she became dependent on another character to carry her. In the 80's she was my favorite female X-Men member, but since her butchering that took place in the 90's, she has become my least favorite female X-Men member :( .

[Tre Styles]

If this were the 90's and Claremont and Lee were still doing the X-Men and I answered this poll, it would've been Rogue and Remy 4-ever. But the relationship now is sorta stale. Maybe they need a break from each other, maybe they need to explore new options. Embrace their singleness, and perhaps they can find over time what they both missed in each other...perhaps. But for now, break 'em up, and let the kids run wild. ;)

[For the Good of X]

These characters ruined each other. The Scott+Jean thing did not translate well with Rogue and Gambit. I was rereading Essential X-Men vol 5 (again) last night and was struck at how great, interesting, funny, fun, and sympathetic Rogue was. Tortured by her powers but loving being a superhero and kickin ass. Gambit meanwhile, though we started as sort of a Dark Longshot, had that air of mystery, a then-'cool' power with hints of other talents/powers. He was a great foil for 'Stormy' but all that was flushed beginning with X-Men #4 and thereafter.

Break up to make up for wasted character development!

[sbo]

pre-gambit, rogue was a fun-lovin', wisecrack makin', ass-kickin', beer-drinkin', sassy southern belle, who was mildly unpredictable. now, she's a depressed introvert who seems to be defined by her "relationship" with gambit.

Split 'em up! :D
I couldn't agree more.

They need to be split permanently.

[Flight]

I've never really read X-Men where Rogue & Gambit weren't together so I can't say I know much about them without each other
Saying that, I don't really care that much. Its fairly obvious that both Gambit and Rogue love Havok

[Emerald Ghost]

Rogue should fall down an elevator shaft without invulnerability.

And as she falls, Gambit says, "Eh, no worries mon ami, I didn't like her anyways, non?"

[megaroguefan]

rogue and gambit are perfect made for each other.why to break up becouse someone says so?

[Hi-Fi]

Rogue and Gambit ruined each other. Why keep them together?

[spinny0617]

I logged in just so I could vote for a breakup... nuff said.

edit: someone please send the results of this poll to Mike, Axel and Joe Q, cause those interviews about Legacy fill me with dread.

[scouse mouse]

Separated, they have been going round in circles for years, time for something new.

[twilight]

I like both characters individually but I don't like them together.

-Twi

[soulkiller]

Might as well break 'em up - end the suffering. (for us, I mean!)

When they were first hooked up, I loved them together. But since no one seems to be able to write them very well together, please let it end. It's painful and annoying.

Unless Mike can fix things??? Who knows.

[Hi-Fi]

The subject is being discussed right now at Mike's board, with Gambit fans criticizing Rogue but still wanting the pairing (who can understand??). He says he'll adress the questions over the weekend.

http://mikecarey.net/forum/topic.php?id=186&replies=22

[DeniseXfrost]

Cleary, the relationship is so tiring. Rogue can do alot better. Although what Gambit did for Rogue was sweet as well.

[Brett P]

I like them together and seperate. Eithers good.

[Canemacar]

Seperate. Carey cannot fix the relationship. It's beyond saving.

[soulkiller]

The subject is being discussed right now at Mike's board, with Gambit fans criticizing Rogue but still wanting the pairing (who can understand??).

Ahh, the complexities of the human mind! :rolleyes: It's a complicated issue, and I wouldn't want Mike's job when it comes to trying to deal with these two appearing in the same issue... Poor Mike. Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't.

Lets' see how he does once he actually gets to write more than two lines of dialogue for either one of them!

Seperate. Carey cannot fix the relationship. It's beyond saving.

Sometimes you have to know when to let go. Forget the past, concentrate on the present, and move to the future. However, most people don't know when that point is and tend to hang on because they think it will be the way it used to be.

[RoguishGurl]

Together. That is all.

[Toadman005]

If the characters are properly written, Gambit as he was originally, and Rogue, fun and confident, then there is no reason they cannot be written well together. Bot characters have suffered from poor writing as individuals, being together, and the relationship takes the blame, as it's the easy excuse.

The reason Gambit and Rogue DID work at first was he was the bad ass, who COULD have anyone, and intentionally wanted the one girl he couldn't have, who was also dangerous. She was a fun game for him. Likewise, she being the confident, but secretly isolated and lonely, almost painfully self concious girl (due to her powers) who was completely taken in by him, because HE in turn was dangerous (and could have anyone).

The writers who added stupid emo angst are to blame. Not Gambit or Rogue.

So, I prefer them together, IF WRITTEN WELL. If not, then by all means, break them up. However, Carey has up till now, done a fantastic job of writing these characters across the board, IN character (or at least in character of when each was at their best), so I have complete faith in whichever route he takes them.

I DO think that, anyone that started reading Gambit and Rogue AFTER they initially became a couple shouldn't really comment, as you've only seen one side to their relationship: FREAKINGAWFUL.

[Sanctus]

Part of Gambit's charm when he first came on in the 90s was the fact that he existed as a destabilizing force within the X-Men, partially because of his charm on the ladies and later Northstar. He needs to go back to being a roue. Have him mixing it up with all the X-women and maybe some of the men.

[spellbinding]

Separate them already. Reading them together is like reading a soap opera, ugh. And I was reading Gambit/Rogue angst cycle from day 1.

[Fionnuala]

Either. They're fictional, nothing that has happened is the fault of the characters, or due to any inherent fault in their personalities. They don't have any.

It's down to writers- or more importantly editors- who either couldn't be bothered addressing the more challenging questions of a celibate relationship or went for the easy drama of throwing a spanner in an X-relationship. Jean and Scott managed to escape this until relatively recently because they were the premier X-couple, and Warren and Betsy managed to get by together alright by being fairly low-key X-men until someone decided to 'do' something with the characters.

There's no reason why they can't have a well-written, enjoyable relationship. I liked it when I first started reading comics because they had good UST. Sort of like the Michael Douglas/Kathleen Turner of mutants.

'Breaking Them Up For Good' is pointless, because they have been Broken Up For Good about seven times since I've been reading, and none of them lasted beyond that writer because the next guy couldn't resist the easy drama (and creating drama between two characters who can't touch is easy). You could kill one, but that won't stick either.

And then you get into the after-breakup, where Rogue likes another guy... and she still can't touch him. And it starts again.

[Skibbs109]

Rogue and Emma would be pretty hot

[Phil Hunn]

Please make them go away. It hurts me to even think about their endless bitchfest...

[Shaid O Gray]

If someone could write them well together, I'd say go for it, but at this point I'm not sure anyone can do that anymore. (even Mike!)

They've been:
-the couple that's falling in love,
-that has problems,
-that breaks up,
-that gets back together,
-that's part of a triangle,
-that breaks up,
-that lives together in bliss,
-that is in therapy,
-that has cheating fears,
-that breaks up...

I think they've run the gamut....

[d newton]

From said link:
The flirting stage was a lot of fun, but after that... their plots became dependant.
Dependant how? I can think of 3 X couples which were worse than Romy (Rogue / Gambit).

[pryde15]

I would prefer separate, but it doesn't bother me what so ever if they are together.

[DJSCARLET]

If someone could write them well together, I'd say go for it, but at this point I'm not sure anyone can do that anymore. (even Mike!)

They've been:
-the couple that's falling in love,
-that has problems,
-that breaks up,
-that gets back together,
-that's part of a triangle,
-that breaks up,
-that lives together in bliss,
-that is in therapy,
-that has cheating fears,
-that breaks up...

I think they've run the gamut....

(man, did i go way back in the posts:redface: )
when i saw this post the first thing i thought was: thats life.
rogue and gambit relationship is somewhat more realistic ('cept the no touching thing of course) to me than most, minus jeans/scott, because its so flawed. what relationship is perfect? couples break up, have fights, have good times, worry...and what not.
as for any future ROMY, meh...if carey can write them fine be me, if not, still fine by me.
(anything is better than the we-have-to-support-emmaXscott-love-fest going down now)

[Canemacar]

They shouldn't even appear in the same book. When rogue returns to legacy in a few arcs, just ship Gambit off to Uncanny or X-Force.

[psycwave]

i don't want them together but i wouldn't mind seeing them in the same book....mainly so they can learn to interact as friends and teammates instead of scorned lovers who can't touch

[DJSCARLET]

They shouldn't even appear in the same book. When rogue returns to legacy in a few arcs, just ship Gambit off to Uncanny or X-Force.

I agree with Wave, it wouldnt hurt to have them in the same book and work together. Sooner or later some writer is going to put them on the same team. Might as well be sooner.

[Canemacar]

I agree with Wave, it wouldnt hurt to have them in the same book and work together. Sooner or later some writer is going to put them on the same team. Might as well be sooner.

It sure as hell shouldn't be Carey though. I'd rather have austen do it than him.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Damnit, I just had to vote and go for option #2.

Now I can't even put in a 'Rogue in a coffin' vote as a tribute to the debate in the Storm vs Cyke thread.

[psycwave]

It sure as hell shouldn't be Carey though. I'd rather have austen do it than him.

NO!!!!! Don't say such horrible things!!!!!!:eek:

[Canemacar]

NO!!!!! Don't say such horrible things!!!!!!:eek:

Austen wasn't too bad on the Romy front. he just got forced into the dumb blind-Gambit thing by Mike marts.

Besides, his ultimate Gambit was awesome. It's a shame Vaughan totally ruined it.

[BabeBro]

I think Rogue and Gambit should be kept away from each other as much as possible.

[Kage Kisaragi]

I prefer them together and by god let them lay each other with babies and the whole nine. I don't know why everyone always wants them broken up when theres is probably the closets thing to a real romance with its ups and downs. I want to see Gambit with 2 babies in hers arms and Rogue with the third in her belly. ^_^ I want a Southern Mutant Family.

[Flâneur]

Rogue should have a free and easy relationship with Pulse.

Gambit can start sleeping around with men from gay night clubs and use his bo staff whenever there is a dry spell.

Everyone would be happy this way.

[The Black Guardian]

The subject is being discussed right now at Mike's board, with Gambit fans criticizing Rogue but still wanting the pairing (who can understand??).
That says a mouthful.
Dependant how? I can think of 3 X couples which were worse than Romy (Rogue / Gambit).
So can I:
1. Bobby and Opal's baggy pants.
2. Hank and Trish.
3. Scott and Maddie.
This doesn't improve Anna and Remy's relationship.

[Fatguy]

I came in prepared to vote "Keep them apart", but...

Rogue and Emma.

[Flâneur]

I'm surprised no one has posted the panel where CC got Rogue and Emma to make out in the End.

[Kage Kisaragi]

I'm surprised no one has posted the panel where CC got Rogue and Emma to make out in the End.

Was she in diamond form? Hotty Hot Hot!

[Flâneur]

Was she in diamond form? Hotty Hot Hot!

No. She was oozing blood at the time. She took Rogue to the astral plane where they made out in a field of daisies.

[LittleMissVixen]

Keep them apart.....I think being with Gumbo hurt Rogue in the long run.
Besides....their angsty romance was sooooo 90s, circa "Reality Bites" ;)

[Joe Franklin]

It's boring when you tame bad boy guys like Gambit. So I say split them up.

Cay

This post is 100% correct.

Gambit is not a one woman type of guy. He is the ultimate player, or at least he used to be.:frown:

[Kage Kisaragi]

This post is 100% correct.

Gambit is not a one woman type of guy. He is the ultimate player, or at least he used to be.:frown:

you have a point, but I would think even the most playerific of players, could still fall in love with a woman he or she believes their ultimate dream girl.

[Shaid O Gray]

I think my answer will always be the same to this: I don't care whether they're together or apart, as long as it's wel-written.

If they're well-written they can be together, no prob. It's mainly that most writers of the last 10 years had no clue what to do with them.

And I have to say I'm more than a little nervous what people are going to want to do with them if they're both single again. As in: who are they going to be paired up with next?? Gambit with Storm (remember X-Treme??) Gambit with Laura?? Rogue with Magneto again, or maybe someone even older and more pompous making an even more ridiculous match for her? Hell maybe they'll hook her up with Charles, just because it 'hasn't been done yet.'

Wondering about that, suddenly Romy don't look so bad, knowmsayin?:rolleyes:

[soulkiller]

No. She was oozing blood at the time. She took Rogue to the astral plane where they made out in a field of daisies.

*sings*

"I kissed a girl I liked it..."

Damn catchy song.

[Kage Kisaragi]

I think my answer will always be the same to this: I don't care whether they're together or apart, as long as it's wel-written.

If they're well-written they can be together, no prob. It's mainly that most writers of the last 10 years had no clue what to do with them.

And I have to say I'm more than a little nervous what people are going to want to do with them if they're both single again. As in: who are they going to be paired up with next?? Gambit with Storm (remember X-Treme??) Gambit with Laura?? Rogue with Magneto again, or maybe someone even older and more pompous making an even more ridiculous match for her? Hell maybe they'll hook her up with Charles, just because it 'hasn't been done yet.'

Wondering about that, suddenly Romy don't look so bad, knowmsayin?:rolleyes:

This.. Can I shake your hand. *high five*

[KiplingKat]

If they can make Romy work without the endless angst cycle Lobdell stuck them in, that would be fine.

As for the earlier comment about Rogue/Magneto (not Shade O Gray's, whom I agree with), this is why I blessed Scott Pruett and his house unto the seventh generation when he finally ended that trainwreck.

Despite the confusion created by Age of Apocalypse and the clone Joseph, there was no affair between Magneto and Rogue in the 616. In the entire time they lived together in the Mansion during Magneto’s Reform Period, they only exchanged words in Marvel Fanfare #33 and X-Men Vs. the Avengers #1 and none of them were personal. In the Savage Land story of Uncanny X-Men #274 and 275, Magnus does feel an attraction for her and she obviously starts to feel something for him (though it is obvious she does not understand him), but as noted above he said to himself “I am pledged to another.” (Lee Forrester). Magnus did care about her and envied her faith and naiveté, but that and lust were the extent of his feelings. Many fans believe that there was a “one night stand”, but I am hard pressed to figure out where they found the time in the course of the story.

Had there been a one night stand, I would also be curious as to how Gambit would have felt in Uncanny X-Men #348 when he discovered that he was not her first. The ensuing conversation would have been very…awkward.

“WHO!?!”

Following Uncanny X-Men #274 & 275, Rogue repeatedly threw herself at Magnus whenever the X-men and Magneto fought, claiming they shared something in the Savage Land, and girlishly dreamed of him proposing to her in X-Men: The Magneto War #1. But he repeatedly turned her down. His attitude towards her was obviously, “Look, you’re a cute kid, but get out of my way.”

The dead horse was finally buried in the Magneto Rex miniseries. After spending years dithering between Gambit and Joseph, Rogue chose Gambit, and then after their first night of passion in which she swore to “love him unconditionally” (Uncanny X-men #348) she left him to die in Antarctica (Uncanny X-men #350). She then tried (unsuccessfully) to weasel her way back into Joseph’s good graces. After Joseph died in X-Men Vol. 2 #87, she immediately ran off to Genosha to throw herself at Magnus yet again (Magneto Rex), comparing him to Joseph (yeah, that’ll work), and discovering (*gasp*shock*) that Magneto had a lot of pain and loss in his life. He kicked her off the island.

While the attraction in the Savage Land story worked very nicely in the context of that story, too much attention was paid to it by later writers. That unlikely relationship was a trainwreck waiting to happen. Given Rogue’s leaps from Gambit to Joseph to Magneto, she obviously had co-dependency issues and next to an overbearing personality like Magneto, she would have faded into his shadow as she did in Age of Apocalypse (you note that the married couple spent most of the cross-over separated). The Age of Apocalypse relationship was extremely creepy to begin with. Magneto was clearly manipulating a teenage girl (only old enough to be his granddaughter) into a sexual relationship (sneaking out from under the man that loved her: Gambit) by showing her that he and only he could touch her. He didn't seem eager to help her touch anyone else, including her own son. Writers tried to make a relationship work between Magneto and Rogue work a second time with Joseph, who was Magneto with his spine ripped out. Rogue walked all over him, breaking her promise "to tell him about the man he used to be", berating him for trying to find out about his own past, and trying to control him. She didn't know him, never trusted him, and yet continued to string him along while she dithered between he and Gambit. There were moments where Joseph was clearly a doormat that were simply painful to read (such as the X-Men Vol. 2 Annual 1995). The only way to make that pairing work is to turn one of the characters into something they are not, which means that paring does not work.

It also suffers from the “dinner conversation” argument, the two having nothing in common beyond both being mutants. I can only imagine what their home life would have been like.

“Darling, have you seen my copy of Cytology and Genetics?”

“Th’ whut an th’ who?”

*sigh* “Nevermind.”

“Babe? Ya’ll seen my Travis Tritt CD?”

I was so glad when it was over.

I believe Carey promised to bring Rogue back to the Sassy X-Chick Claremont wrote her as, but so far he hasn't done a very good Job. Putting her in a position of leadership, when she had shown no skill and little experience at it, resulted in utter failure, which he then closed by 'fridging her for Messiah CompleX. Maybe after he is done redeeming Xavier, he will go to work on Rogue. I hope so, the character is in desperate need of rehabilitation.

If she can be rehabilitated to an independant woman again, then maybe she and Gambit can work together.

[Hi-Fi]

If they can make Romy work without the endless angst cycle Lobdell stuck them in, that would be fine.

As for the comment about Rogue/Magneto, this is why I blessed Scott Pruett and his house unto the seventh generation when he finally ended that trainwreck.

Wow. That quote you posted is one of the most stupid thing I've ever read. It not even has the facts straight. Rogue never "repeatedly threw herself at Magnus"and definitely didn't "try (unsuccessfully) to weasel her way back into Joseph’s good graces". He was the one stalking her. She had to threw him off her room.

Also, a man who thought seeing his daughter dance for him was sexy would have no problem going for a teen.

Then again, Magneto lovers will blame ANY other character for Magneto's action before Magnus himself.

[KiplingKat]

Wow. That quote you posted is one of the most stupid thing I've ever read. It not even has the facts straight. Rogue never "repeatedly threw herself at Magnus"and definitely didn't "tried (unsuccessfully) to weasel her way back into Joseph’s good graces". He was the one stalking her. She had to threw him off her room.

Yeah she did repeatedly throw herself at him, In Adjectiveless #1, during the Fatal Attractions arc (twice), during Magneto War, all of those times in the middle of battle in which she tried to remind Magneto that they had shared something special, and every time he answered "Look, you're cute. Another time, another place, maybe. But right now? NO."

And she was trying to weasel Joseph in Uncanny #353 with yet another promise to tell him about the man he was. He in fact turned her down, saying that she was the one with problems.

Also, a man who thought seeing his daughter dance for him was sexy would have no problem going for a teen.

Except he did not know she was his daughter at the time. Just a woman in her twenties by that point. (Not to mention his being insane).

Then again, Magneto lovers will blame ANY other character for Magneto's action before Magnus himself.

No, I blame Magneto for a lot of things. His choices to use terrorism for instance, blaming fate for that choice rather than taking responsibility for it. For decision to try and manipulate his kid's loyalty rather than dealing with them honestly, the two nuclear bombs he left behind when his schemes failed back in the Silver Age, there are a lot of things Magneto has done that I blame him for.

But in this instance, Rogue was the one with issues, that was made pretty darn clear.

[Hi-Fi]

Er... she was trying to make him stop acting like a maniac, so yeah, she threw the what about the Savage Land? card. Classic tactic to touch the unstable's heart.

Joseph was the one following her like a puppy. So obsessed that he used to watch her sleep.

[KiplingKat]

Er... she was trying to make him stop acting like a maniac, so yeah, she threw the what about the Savage Land? card. Classic tactic to touch the unstable's heart.

But after the first time it didn't work, that should have been the end. It instead seemed to fire Rogue, making her more intent on it. I mean, after getting turned down three times, you wouldn't think she would be dreaming of Magneto proposing to her, wouldn't have flown to Genosha almost immediately after Joseph died trying to find Joseph in Magneto, would you?

I mean seriously, what the heck was she thinking?

Joseph was the one following her like a puppy. So obsessed that he used to watch her sleep.

One issue in which he went into her room after she had not come out of it for over a day because she was upset, and he's "stalking her".

Honestly, Storm could have been the one in her room. Any X-Man who gave a damn about her would have checked on her by that point.

And just because Joseph followed her like a puppy (waaaay out of character even for a amnesiac Mags), that doesn't mean Rogue had the right to treat him as she did.

The truth is for all his other positive qualities, Lobdell did Rogue a disservice, making her co-dependent.

[darknessatnoon]

But after the first time it didn't work, that should have been the end. It instead seemed to fire Rogue, making her more intent on it. I mean, after getting turned down three times, you wouldn't think she would be dreaming of Magneto proposing to her, wouldn't have flown to Genosha almost immediately after Joseph died trying to find Joseph in Magneto, would you?

LOL, I think you are little more Magneto obsessed than Rogue.

Anyway, to her credit, Rogue has greater faith in the human soul than I do. I stopped trying to find anything redeemable about Magneto's character long ago.

[KiplingKat]

LOL, I think you are little more Magneto obsessed than Rogue.

*chuckle* Perhaps. :wink:

But I can think of a couple far better match up's for both of those characters then that unlikely pairing. Magneto once made a pass at Jean Grey back in the day. At time time it was a no-go for obvious reasons, but when you look at the two of their histories since, there's a lot of similarity between them. If Karima could be bolstered into a viable, independant character, that could work as well. I'm sorry that Isabelle was killed, because she was a great match for him.

Anyway, to her credit, Rogue has greater faith in the human soul than I do. I stopped trying to find anything redeemable about Magneto's character long ago.

I don't know about that, she lost faith in his better nature pretty darn fast when he turned her down for the fourth time, kicking her off Genosha. She threatened to "take him down, HARD!" when they next met. He hadn't actually done anything to her, he wasn't actually doing anything that bad, just turned her down. She had even just learned (for some strange reason, all the time she had touched him before she had never detected) how much pain was in Magneto's life...and yet just because he refused her, she "lost faith" in his better nature.

So what does that really say about Rogue's faith in Magneto's "better nature"?

The point is, Rogue was a mess when Carey took her on, and she needs to be by herself for a while to turn her back into a viable, interesting, independant character again. If they can do that, then she and Romy could work very well.

[darknessatnoon]

I don't know about that, she lost faith in his better nature pretty darn fast when he turned her down for the fourth time, kicking her off Genosha. She threatened to "take him down, HARD!" when they next met. He hadn't actually done anything to her, he wasn't actually doing anything that bad, just turned her down. She had even just learned (for some strange reason, all the time she had touched him before she had never detected) how much pain was in Magneto's life...and yet just because he refused her, she "lost faith" in his better nature.

So what does that really say about Rogue's faith in Magneto's "better nature"?

It says that she realized that dating men who live in the past is a bitch. It says that she thought again about Gambit and realized, "hey, it could be worse."

[KiplingKat]

It says that she realized that dating men who live in the past is a bitch.

*chuckle* Well, that too.

But what it really says that she was a child whom, when she did not get her own way, thought negatively or and threatening the person who denied her. That when she realized that she was not going to get the "puppy" Joseph back, she decided that Magneto wasn't worth a damn.

It says that she thought again about Gambit and realized, "hey, it could be worse."

Agreed. For all his issues, Gambit is a lot more emotionally available than Mags is, and proven his commitment to her repeatedly.

[CmX]

I don't care if Rogue and Gambit are together but only if they aren't both constantly whining.

[KiplingKat]

Exactly, the whining is getting ridiculous, especially given the numerous means by which Rogue could dampen her abilities for the night.

[CmX]

Exactly, the whining is getting ridiculous, especially given the numerous means by which Rogue could dampen her abilities for the night.

Yeah obviously they can't function as a couple because they're constantly at odds or Rogue isn't seeing eye to eye with Gambit.

And I know this romance has been around since freak'n practically Gambit's been around but it doesn't have to mean that they have to be together. I mean look at Emma and Jean or all the years Psylocke was with Angel.

I think it's gotten to a point where it's almost expected for them to be a couple and it almost seems like their characters are dependent on one another. Which sucks. Cause I like them both, but as separate characters not a packaged deal.

[psycwave]

Yeah obviously they can't function as a couple because they're constantly at odds or Rogue isn't seeing eye to eye with Gambit.

And I know this romance has been around since freak'n practically Gambit's been around but it doesn't have to mean that they have to be together. I mean look at Emma and Jean or all the years Psylocke was with Angel.

I think it's gotten to a point where it's almost expected for them to be a couple and it almost seems like their characters are dependent on one another. Which sucks. Cause I like them both, but as separate characters not a packaged deal.

I completely agree.......Rogue minus Gambit and vice versa is the best. Like i said if they could at least learn to function as non lovers with the occasional hint of jealousy at moving on i could deal with that. Just stop having them flatout whine when the "no touching" thing is brought up.....where is Joseph when you want him around

[KiplingKat]

Now that they have separated Joseph from Magneto, I'd be fine with him coming back. Magneto has partially discorporated and come back (maybe completely once back in the Silver Age), and Joseph was more powerful then Mags was. Stands to reason that he could reform himself out of the EM sphere.

He still needs to stand on Rogue a few times though, she treated him like crap.

Though the best thing for her is to be on her own for a while and reestablish herself as an independant character. Gambit too.

[Nite-Wing]

That could happen but both characters have histories that are so tied with each other that its become impossible to forget that their together. I mean when you think of Rogue's most iconic romance and you'll say Gambit and vice versa for Rogue. These are two characters that CC expressly put together people wont forget just cause it gets boring.

They are on the level of scott and jean in MU relationships you cant keep them apart.

[darknessatnoon]

That could happen but both characters have histories that are so tied with each other that its become impossible to forget that their together. I mean when you think of Rogue's most iconic romance and you'll say Gambit and vice versa for Rogue. These are two characters that CC expressly put together people wont forget just cause it gets boring.

They are on the level of scott and jean in MU relationships you cant keep them apart.

CC put them together? He wrote them together for one scene.

[KiplingKat]

CC put them together? He wrote them together for one scene.

Well, a couple scenes throughout those first three issues of Adjectiveless.

Granted, my understanding is that initially he wrote that one scene on the basketball court just to be a flirtatious moment, and the fan reaction was totally unexpected. However, he did write at least one more scene (the swimming pool) between the two of them in issue #3 (I think it was #3), so I think he had decided to move forward with it since the fans loved it so much.

[Nite-Wing]

Hence why I infer that CC paired them together

[Shaid O Gray]

This.. Can I shake your hand. *high five*

*High fives right back* Always up for a high five... :biggrin:

Originally Posted by Hi-Fi
Er... she was trying to make him stop acting like a maniac, so yeah, she threw the what about the Savage Land? card. Classic tactic to touch the unstable's heart.

You know what the problem is with the Savage Land story of UXM 274-275?

It works great as a Magneto story. It works lousy as a Rogue story.

I mean, as a look as Magneto as a character, the way he's reviewing his own life, re-evaluating his beliefs and actions, it's great. One of the best. Mainly because he's shown to be a selfless, brave even noble man, yet at the same time as an utterly ruthless SOB who doesn't really give a crap what anyone else thinks. Most writers either make him look too nice, or waay too villainous. The key to good Mags writing is that he truly is both these things. That's the point.

Now as said, when you read it, it's clear he never feels that much for Rogue beyond the 'comrade in arms/she's cute kid' realm. Which fits.

But Rogue? We never get her point of view here! Never.

She emerges from the Siege, and then almost instantly she has to make way for Mags to be the lead (in first person narrative no less) We never know what she thinks or feels. I still have no clue why she'd suddenly have a 'spark' for him since she didn't see anything in the Savage Land about Magneto that she hadn't already seen in the time he taught the New Mutants and they lived in the same house!! It came out of nowhere and without Rogue's POV it just never worked for me. (Not sure it ever could've been written in a way that it would, but without...no chance at all)

That they would share a bond after that adventure, okay, but romantic feelings?? Never clicked for me.

And I agree (forgot who said it, sorry) that it probably wasn't meant to be much more than 'a moment' in the Savage Land and that other writers just took it waay too far in later stories. I just don't see it. Even as Joseph, he was just so stiff and pompous and boring...I can't believe a girl like Rogue would ever fall for that.

Oh and no way did they 'do' it in the Savage Land! Who said that and what story were they reading??

Granted, my understanding is that initially he wrote that one scene on the basketball court just to be a flirtatious moment, and the fan reaction was totally unexpected. However, he did write at least one more scene (the swimming pool) between the two of them in issue #3 (I think it was #3), so I think he had decided to move forward with it since the fans loved it so much.

But CC was already gone with X-Men 4 (which had the basketball scene) wasn't he? I think I read once that CC originally had no plans to put Gambit and Rogue together at all. Is this true? Does someone know?

[Muggs]

*High fives right back* Always up for a high five... :biggrin:



You know what the problem is with the Savage Land story of UXM 274-275?

It works great as a Magneto story. It works lousy as a Rogue story.

I mean, as a look as Magneto as a character, the way he's reviewing his own life, re-evaluating his beliefs and actions, it's great. One of the best. Mainly because he's shown to be a selfless, brave even noble man, yet at the same time as an utterly ruthless SOB who doesn't really give a crap what anyone else thinks. Most writers either make him look too nice, or waay too villainous. The key to good Mags writing is that he truly is both these things. That's the point.

Now as said, when you read it, it's clear he never feels that much for Rogue beyond the 'comrade in arms/she's cute kid' realm. Which fits.

But Rogue? We never get her point of view here! Never.

She emerges from the Siege, and then almost instantly she has to make way for Mags to be the lead (in first person narrative no less) We never know what she thinks or feels. I still have no clue why she'd suddenly have a 'spark' for him since she didn't see anything in the Savage Land about Magneto that she hadn't already seen in the time he taught the New Mutants and they lived in the same house!! It came out of nowhere and without Rogue's POV it just never worked for me. (Not sure it ever could've been written in a way that it would, but without...no chance at all)

That they would share a bond after that adventure, okay, but romantic feelings?? Never clicked for me.

And I agree (forgot who said it, sorry) that it probably wasn't meant to be much more than 'a moment' in the Savage Land and that other writers just took it waay too far in later stories. I just don't see it. Even as Joseph, he was just so stiff and pompous and boring...I can't believe a girl like Rogue would ever fall for that.

Oh and no way did they 'do' it in the Savage Land! Who said that and what story were they reading??



But CC was already gone with X-Men 4 (which had the basketball scene) wasn't he? I think I read once that CC originally had no plans to put Gambit and Rogue together at all. Is this true? Does someone know?

Claremont had gone by then, but he was going to put Rogue and Gambit together to give some weight to the traitor storyline.

[darknessatnoon]

Well, a couple scenes throughout those first three issues of Adjectiveless.

Granted, my understanding is that initially he wrote that one scene on the basketball court just to be a flirtatious moment, and the fan reaction was totally unexpected. However, he did write at least one more scene (the swimming pool) between the two of them in issue #3 (I think it was #3), so I think he had decided to move forward with it since the fans loved it so much.

In issue 3 they were in space.

The basketball scene was in issue 4. He was gone by then.

[Muggs]

In issue 3 they were in space.

The basketball scene was in issue 4. He was gone by then.

How do you feel about Sage coming on to Gambit. Twice. ?

[darknessatnoon]

How do you feel about Sage coming on to Gambit. Twice. ?

I feel that Sage likes to live the low-life every so often. Nothing wrong with having a sleazy side. I've also slept with trashy men.

[psycwave]

I feel that Sage likes to live the low-life every so often. Nothing wrong with having a sleazy side. I've also slept with trashy men.

and i whorish women

[KiplingKat]

You know what the problem is with the Savage Land story of UXM 274-275?

It works great as a Magneto story. It works lousy as a Rogue story.

I mean, as a look as Magneto as a character, the way he's reviewing his own life, re-evaluating his beliefs and actions, it's great. One of the best. Mainly because he's shown to be a selfless, brave even noble man, yet at the same time as an utterly ruthless SOB who doesn't really give a crap what anyone else thinks. Most writers either make him look too nice, or waay too villainous. The key to good Mags writing is that he truly is both these things. That's the point.

Well said!

Now as said, when you read it, it's clear he never feels that much for Rogue beyond the 'comrade in arms/she's cute kid' realm. Which fits.

Well, there is that one moment of lust, but it is just that one moment. It happens between adults, most people are wise enough (as Mags was) to realize it is just a moment and move on.

But Rogue? We never get her point of view here! Never.

She emerges from the Siege, and then almost instantly she has to make way for Mags to be the lead (in first person narrative no less) We never know what she thinks or feels. I still have no clue why she'd suddenly have a 'spark' for him since she didn't see anything in the Savage Land about Magneto that she hadn't already seen in the time he taught the New Mutants and they lived in the same house!! It came out of nowhere and without Rogue's POV it just never worked for me. (Not sure it ever could've been written in a way that it would, but without...no chance at all)

That they would share a bond after that adventure, okay, but romantic feelings?? Never clicked for me.

And I agree (forgot who said it, sorry) that it probably wasn't meant to be much more than 'a moment' in the Savage Land and that other writers just took it waay too far in later stories. I just don't see it. Even as Joseph, he was just so stiff and pompous and boring...I can't believe a girl like Rogue would ever fall for that.

Oh and no way did they 'do' it in the Savage Land! Who said that and what story were they reading??

'Shippers desperate for confirmation. I agree with you, it didn't happen, there simply wasn't time. But you know 'shippers. There is a series of fan fics which, while otherwise well written, does a horrible job of characterizing Magneto, turning him into...a sensitive New Age guy I guess would be the closest analogy, to make the relationship work. (Can you see Magneto visiting Doc Samson and popping anti-depressants? Can you see Magneto having issues...er, "performing" and having to engage in cosplay to...to...uh...well, let's be blunt, get it up?) Just horribly abysmal "If he just met the right girl, he would be a wonderful, sensitive, sweet man (ie. a pushover) and there would be puppies and rainbows and world peace!" wish fantasy.

But CC was already gone with X-Men 4 (which had the basketball scene) wasn't he? I think I read once that CC originally had no plans to put Gambit and Rogue together at all. Is this true? Does someone know?

You're right, my bad. He just had the scene by the pool on Asteroid M I guess.

[KiplingKat]

Actually, the Gambit-Jean Grey thing kind of tickled my fancy. That was an interesting combo.

[Shaid O Gray]

Well said!

Why, thank you Suh!

Well, there is that one moment of lust, but it is just that one moment. It happens between adults, most people are wise enough (as Mags was) to realize it is just a moment and move on.

Exactly! It really feels to me that that's how it's written, how it was intended to be. And If that's all it was for Rogue, I'd be fine with that. But we're not really shown how it is for Rogue, and the rest of the 90's apparently decided it was wuv. Twoo Wuv.....:rolleyes:

Can you see Magneto visiting Doc Samson and popping anti-depressants? Can you see Magneto having issues...er, "performing" and having to engage in cosplay to...to...uh...well, let's be blunt, get it up?)

Right now, all I wanna see is a barf bag.....are you serious?? I mean I've read my share of horrible fanfic, but.....
Is there a puking emoticon? Where's my barf-smiley? Well, this one will have to do I guess: :eek:

Actually, the Gambit-Jean Grey thing kind of tickled my fancy. That was an interesting combo.

And we all know Miss Jean "I'm So Proper" Grey secretly wants the bad boys, hehe. I wonder how Scott would've taken THAT one.....would've made him wish he just had Logan to worry about!

[Nite-Wing]

Gambit is God's gift to mutant women. I remember when polaris was having a bachalorette party and jean had the stripper dress up like Gambit or she telepathically made the strripper look like Gambit to the partygoers. I just took this as confirmation that Jean had a secret longing attraction to Gambit purely based on looks.

[prince_nightcrawler]

I love Gambit and Rogue together. They are awesome.

[Metallurgique]

Gambit showed up about a year after I started reading the X-men, and honestly I never liked him until a few years ago. I think one of the reasons that I didn't like him is that Rogue was a strong, smart, fiercely independant character before her star was hitched to Remy's wagon.

#171 was the first Uncanny issue I ever read (followed quickly by 168-170), so Rogue was one of my favorite characters. With Remy she became sappy, not as bright, and generally less interesting. But at some point, during Chuck Austen's run on adj., I suddenly liked where the relationship had gone.

I still say though, break 'em up and don't get 'em back together. I like Rogue as Rogue.

[mythog]

Gambit showed up about a year after I started reading the X-men, and honestly I never liked him until a few years ago. I think one of the reasons that I didn't like him is that Rogue was a strong, smart, fiercely independant character before her star was hitched to Remy's wagon.

#171 was the first Uncanny issue I ever read (followed quickly by 168-170), so Rogue was one of my favorite characters. With Remy she became sappy, not as bright, and generally less interesting. But at some point, during Chuck Austen's run on adj., I suddenly liked where the relationship had gone.

I still say though, break 'em up and don't get 'em back together. I like Rogue as Rogue.

I think the same can be said reversed as well. My problem is it seems some people blame either Remy or Rogue and not the writers who did a crappy job. If a writer can keep them together either as friends or a couple and can write it I am fine with them being in the same book.

[Kage Kisaragi]

I think the same can be said reversed as well. My problem is it seems some people blame either Remy or Rogue and not the writers who did a crappy job. If a writer can keep them together either as friends or a couple and can write it I am fine with them being in the same book.

I agree

Remy as a character is fine, his whole character was a very cool concept.
Rogue as a character is fine, was better with Carol's powers, and in all is a very cool concept.

Remy and Rogue in love is fine, and a thing of beauty as is all true love stories when done properly.

Bad Writers who **** up a easy love story however are not fine, and need to punished physical and financially for their blunders.

[maigen]

I must preface my response with a few things so bare with me. I began reading Xmen comics in the very early 90s (at the age of 9 or so). I immediately fell in love with Rogue. I soon began reading every comic in which she appeared. She kept me with the books for over ten years.

I loved Rogue by herself. She was smart, sassy, funny, and strong as hell. I also like the crazed, deep, dark Rogue that popped up occasionally. I loved Gambit throughout those years and rooted for them to be together. But now, oh now, that I’ve begun coming back to the comics something is missing. They aren’t the same. The sexual tension and steaming romance has been replaced by self deprecating acts and tormented conversations.

I need Rogue to be everything. I need her to be this lonely tormented soul on the inside but on the outside a quick tempered ass-kicking wild card. I also miss the relationship between Wolverine and herself.

That being said, I still vote for them to be together. Forever! :smile: I can’t help it! There’s nothing crappy writers can do to make me change my mind. I haven’t been able to keep up with her as much as I would like but I am hopeful that Legacy might bring around a kind of rebirth of the characters-more like their old selves yet possessing the knowledge and attitudes that come with age.

[jarrod]

Claremont had gone by then, but he was going to put Rogue and Gambit together to give some weight to the traitor storyline.
Originally, he was going to pair Gambit with Rogue, as Sinister was in love with Rogue or something and Gambit was his (sort of) surrogate. Sinister was also to have patterned Gambit deliberately off Longshot, who Rogue had fallen for before.



I've always hated the pairing until X-Treme X-Men around the Intifada arc. I couldn't believe it, but Claremont (of all people) made Rogue & Gambit actually work.

[Canemacar]

The two shouldn't even be in the same book. Carey can keep rogue, but ship Gambit over to Fraction.

[brotherfury]

I'd prefer Gambit be crushed under Apocalypse's boot and be gone forever.

[Muggs]

Originally, he was going to pair Gambit with Rogue, as Sinister was in love with Rogue or something and Gambit was his (sort of) surrogate. Sinister was also to have patterned Gambit deliberately off Longshot, who Rogue had fallen for before

One thing I've never been entirely clear on is. In Claremont's original plan for Gambit and Sinister, as representive's of Nathan's positive and negative side's. Where they both supposed to be clones, like Maddie, that Nathan had grown and then transfered aspects of his personality into? Or were they supposed to be pyschic contructs from Nathan's mind?

Everywhere on the net go's with the pyschic construct idea. But I'm sure I've read something from Claremont (maybe on Comix Fan) that after Gambit was revealed as the traitor he would break free from Nathan and try and follow his own destination. If Gambit and Sinister were clones then I could see how Claremont's idea could have worked and might have made for a decent story on the nature of identity. If they were both just pyschic projections from Nathan I don't see how that would work at all. In fact I think the pyschic projection idea is very lame.

[wonderland]

Gambit is God's gift to mutant women. I remember when polaris was having a bachalorette party and jean had the stripper dress up like Gambit or she telepathically made the strripper look like Gambit to the partygoers. I just took this as confirmation that Jean had a secret longing attraction to Gambit purely based on looks.

I remember this..didn't Jean say something about Gambit's powers making her feel :smile:

what issue was this?

[MartinRedmond]

I like zem both mon brave, but they don't work for meh as a couple sugah. Rogue should totally date Iceman. *gossip**gossip* Gambit should be with Storm.

[Canemacar]

I remember this..didn't Jean say something about Gambit's powers making her feel :smile:

what issue was this?

X-men #1:
CYCLOPS: Under the rules Gambit...
GAMBIT: I know Cyclops. Je suis mort-- I am now dead. As I always suspected... Redheads, they have a dynamite kiss.
CYCLOPS: At your own risk my friend.
JEAN: I must confess, infuriating and arrogant as Gambit can be... those eyes, that grin, the body-- it takes a girl's breath away.
CYCLOPS: Oh really? When next the opportunity presents itself... remind me to drop a truck on him.
XAVIER: Cyplops
CYCLOPS: A big truck.
XAVIER: Cyclops
CYCLOPS: A really big truck.
XAVIER: Cyclops!

[jarrod]

One thing I've never been entirely clear on is. In Claremont's original plan for Gambit and Sinister, as representive's of Nathan's positive and negative side's. Where they both supposed to be clones, like Maddie, that Nathan had grown and then transfered aspects of his personality into? Or were they supposed to be pyschic contructs from Nathan's mind?

Everywhere on the net go's with the pyschic construct idea. But I'm sure I've read something from Claremont (maybe on Comix Fan) that after Gambit was revealed as the traitor he would break free from Nathan and try and follow his own destination. If Gambit and Sinister were clones then I could see how Claremont's idea could have worked and might have made for a decent story on the nature of identity. If they were both just pyschic projections from Nathan I don't see how that would work at all. In fact I think the pyschic projection idea is very lame.
I'm not sure, it was all pretty fuzzy. I don't think Claremont ever really had it nailed down though, he more liked to seed plots that could go in any number of directions... Sinister and Gambit were both supposed to be "vessels" for Nathan though iirc.

[brotherfury]

I like zem both mon brave, but they don't work for meh as a couple sugah. Rogue should totally date Iceman. *gossip**gossip* Gambit should be with Storm.

With Storm?! oh gawd no! Storm is a goddess... gambit is a never-was.... again i reiterate my feelings about gambit needed a good crushing under big A's boot....

(can ya tell im a Apocalypse fan) i'd love to get a shot at writing him....

[Shaid O Gray]

I'm not sure, it was all pretty fuzzy. I don't think Claremont ever really had it nailed down though, he more liked to seed plots that could go in any number of directions... Sinister and Gambit were both supposed to be "vessels" for Nathan though iirc.

Yeah, and while I can admire the novelty of the idea, I'm kinda glad it never happened.

Funny thing though, doesn't it more sound like something Morrisson would come up with?

[mikeb]

Strange as it seems, I think it comes down to the attitudes of two writers:Fabian Nicieza vs. Chris Claremont. Claremont seems to write them positively and playing off each others stengths and weaknesses.Nicieza, on the other hand treats Rogue like she's Gambits ball and chain, keeping him from progressing as character.:smile:

[worstblogever]

I think currently, I'd like to see both of them dating other people. Rogue could have a good relationship with someone while on walkabout, or come back to the X-Men and somehow end up in a tragic romance with one of the other guys. (Her bizarre chemistry with Iceman could get interesting, considering she might have absorbed the memory of shtupping him out of Mystique at the end of Messiah CompleX).

Gambit, though... we've always heard about Gambit being a ladies' man. He supposedly had even gotten the late Andrea von Strucker in the sack. Why not let him bed-hop for awhile?

I'm not against Rogue/Gambit, but with all the issues they've had through the years, I'd like to see them find themselves, explore the market and all that before they reunite, if at all.

[Muggs]

I think currently, I'd like to see both of them dating other people. Rogue could have a good relationship with someone while on walkabout, or come back to the X-Men and somehow end up in a tragic romance with one of the other guys. (Her bizarre chemistry with Iceman could get interesting, considering she might have absorbed the memory of shtupping him out of Mystique at the end of Messiah CompleX).

Gambit, though... we've always heard about Gambit being a ladies' man. He supposedly had even gotten the late Andrea von Strucker in the sack. Why not let him bed-hop for awhile?

I'm not against Rogue/Gambit, but with all the issues they've had through the years, I'd like to see them find themselves, explore the market and all that before they reunite, if at all.

I just the relationship's run it's course. We've seen every possible variation on it over the last decade plus. It's time to move on. Let them both do some new stuff.

As both of them are popular characters who are always going to be around the X Men in one fashion or another. I think it's more important that Marvel work on making it belivable that they could both serve on the same team, but not be romantically involved.

In real life it is possible for people to become friends with their ex's at some point down the line. Usually after they both haven't seen each other in a while, have dated other people or are in a new relationship.

At the moment the X books are set up to make this possible. Rogue can stay in Legacy/adjectivless under Carey who wants to use her. Gambit can go to Uncanny under Fraction, who wants to use him. That would keep both characters apart for a few years and they can both do the things you suggested.

They have so many similar character traits, that to me it always seemed like they would make better friends than lovers and that they would rather spend their spare time hanging out with Logan in bars drinking beer and playing pool than having romantic picnics by the lake.

[Phil Hunn]

Yeah, and while I can admire the novelty of the idea, I'm kinda glad it never happened.

Funny thing though, doesn't it more sound like something Morrisson would come up with?

The irony of it is that Sinister's eventual origin as a Victorian scientist came from the mind of Peter Milligan, who is also the sort of writer who should by rights be the one to come up with the "Sinister & Gambit are products of a young boy's mind" origin.

[Canemacar]

Strange as it seems, I think it comes down to the attitudes of two writers:Fabian Nicieza vs. Chris Claremont. Claremont seems to write them positively and playing off each others stengths and weaknesses.Nicieza, on the other hand treats Rogue like she's Gambits ball and chain, keeping him from progressing as character.:smile:

I disagree. I think Claremont focused nearly entirely on Rogue, and made Gambit a tag-along his entire time writing them. rogue was always making the decisions, saving Gambit, and beating up the bad guys. Typical Claremazon, to use DarthCyke's term.

Nicieza recognized that the romance *was* a ball-and-chain that was ruining the character, and made efforts to give gambit some good characterization and started plots that had nothing to do with rogue. We could use more of his work, Carey sure as hell isn't working out.

[Nachturne]

Break them UP! Together they do nothing but bring each other down, apart the characters actually seem to be interesting. I love Gambit, really don't like Rogue, and honestly the whole relationship is boring at this point. It's the same stuff over and over. They love each other. She can't touch! Angst! Move onnnnn.

The only good thing Milligan did was introing Pulse as someone who Rogue could possibly be with. Awesome! Hook it up!

[timbox]

I prefer Rogue and Gambit to be colored by Christina Strain.
http://www.justaddninjas.com/store/images/gambit_rogue.jpg

[icebluevanilla]

I prefer Rogue and Gambit to be colored by Christina Strain.
http://www.justaddninjas.com/store/images/gambit_rogue.jpg

Wow, I really like Rogue in this one. Gambits cool too, except I think his face should be a little more handsome.

As for the couple, I hate the whining together, but I really like them as a dynamic when they are together. I like the idea of them being a fun couple. So if Rogue can not whine and Gabmit not brood, everything is fine. Haha.

Maybe start them off as being just friends again, and then do a "friends with benefits"-like thing (since Rogue cant actually touch him), and warm their way back up to a relationship. Just keep both of them fun.

[maigen]

I prefer Rogue and Gambit to be colored by Christina Strain.
http://www.justaddninjas.com/store/images/gambit_rogue.jpg

I prefer them to be half naked and smoking.

Note the man thighs and the freakishly obsessive amounts of stuffed animals.

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c306/maigen_rc/gambit_rogue16.jpg

[MartinRedmond]

That Rogue doesn't count, only Chris Claremont's Lita Ford like Rogue counts.

[orkoni1]

I just want them to be broken off! The fact that they can't be togegether always comes up, and it's just overly done already. I think that this is one reason they have not been developed as they could if they went their own way or if Rogue had some control of her own powers.

They should atleast be separated for a few years (real life years) then who knows. So long as they're not reverted to the pathetic couple they kindda are which keeps them from fluorishing.