I hate Luffy's voice in the Anime...

[Guts/Batman]

thats shown on the fox box. I just saw it for the first time. Totally wrong voice.

[Hiromi]

Dub voices are the least of that piece of crap's problems. Super Soakers! I will save you from the power of the chakram!

[AndyAnime]

Not to mention wrong dubbing company. Hell, I would've prefered even Funimation. They didn't do too bad a job with Yu Yu Hakusho, but 4Kids just cuts or muddles everything more violent than a punch in the gut and, for some odd reason, just about anything more Japanese than ninjas, samurai, and karaoke.

They're not even consistent about it.

[Guts/Batman]

his voice is not consistent of how i hear it in my head when i read it. (i read it in shonen jump.) Didn't like the manag at first but it's become one of my favorites.

[The Xenos]

Man... if you think Luffy's voice is terrible, don't wait to hear what the did to Sanji. Ugh. The whole production is a disgrace. Anime fans can be nitpicky about US versions, but this one truely is terrible and a complete disrespect to the source. Hopefully it will be mostly redone when it comes to Cartoon Network. 4kids really messed it up beyond belief. Ever ep we watched, my roomate who got everyone he knows into One Piece and I, it jsut got worse. We even noticed the music was changed to generic Saturday morning cartoon music. We said Shanks was a leprachaun not just because of the accent (which wasn't too bad), but they also had this stupid flute thing when he showed up.

Why does 4kids thinkg they ahve to burn down most of the house and rebuild it according to what marketing thinks kids want and what ballless censors think kids should see? Why not let the work speak for itself? Not that this isn't a sickness infecting movies and other shows too, but seeing it happen to a great show like One Piece is sickening.

-Xenos

[Guts/Batman]

Man... if you think Luffy's voice is terrible, don't wait to hear what the did to Sanji. Ugh. The whole production is a disgrace. Anime fans can be nitpicky about US versions, but this one truely is terrible and a complete disrespect to the source. Hopefully it will be mostly redone when it comes to Cartoon Network. 4kids really messed it up beyond belief. Ever ep we watched, my roomate who got everyone he knows into One Piece and I, it jsut got worse. We even noticed the music was changed to generic Saturday morning cartoon music. We said Shanks was a leprachaun not just because of the accent (which wasn't too bad), but they also had this stupid flute thing when he showed up.

Why does 4kids thinkg they ahve to burn down most of the house and rebuild it according to what marketing thinks kids want and what ballless censors think kids should see? Why not let the work speak for itself? Not that this isn't a sickness infecting movies and other shows too, but seeing it happen to a great show like One Piece is sickening.

-Xenos

Sanji is waiter who was saved by Red Shoes can't remember his name, right. If so then yes, that was just as horrible. Tho Kriegs voice was alright.

I agree. They did the same thing to Yu-Gi-Oh to i heard. Just flat pisses me off because we can't show it as is. As if our standards of decency are all the different. (talkin about japanese and American standards.

[Rod G]

Here's someone with a good reply . . .


http://www.gaiaonline.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6594133&highlight=

and

http://www.gaiaonline.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7196457&highlight=

[Guts/Batman]

Here's someone with a good reply . . .


http://www.gaiaonline.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6594133&highlight=

and

http://www.gaiaonline.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7196457&highlight=


Certainly and interesting way to do a forum website

[The Xenos]

Ah.. the fury of the Narutards. Not that all Naruto fans are.. insane and stupid, but damn if I don't run into more of them than other shows. They really are the new nutty DBZ fanboys as much as they deny the similarities. I gave up on Nauto due to how annoying a particular friend was and how damn long and drawn out it was getting in the anime. My roomates said the manga was much better. Plus the fighting games for the Gamecube kick ass. Those things saved Naruto in my book, but I'm in no hurry to catch up.

One Piece on the other hand, I like and want to catch up on. It's funny, we basically got two anime clubs on campus. The offitial one, which I help run, and the unofficial one which I go to once in a while. Our club is more One Piece while theirs is more Naruto. They're really not too bad about it though. They actaully use the term Narutard affectionately and self mockingly.

Also, the thing with Sanji's voice. What bugs me is that Sanji had a quiet bishonen type of voice and they gave him some gruff rhaspy one.

-Xenos

[Rod G]

Somebody must have figured that Sanji was supposed to have a toughness about him and figured on giving him a voice to reflect that.


(As for the lollipops that replaced the original's cigarettes?Three words?Kojak with hair.IMO anyway.)

[Crinos]

Here's someone with a good reply . . .


http://www.gaiaonline.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6594133&highlight=

and

http://www.gaiaonline.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7196457&highlight=

This one is better (http://www.deviantart.com/view/11707485/)

Not to mention funnier

[Hiromi]

Boy, VG Cats covers this perfectly

http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=145

[Guts/Batman]

Boy, VG Cats covers this perfectly

http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=145


ahahahahahahaha...perfectly

[Chi Illy]

What plot points and character traits have been altered in the dub of One Peice? I only saw part of an episode, when Luffy was fighting Don Krieg, and I didn't see anything too much different other than voices.

[G_Man]

What plot points and character traits have been altered in the dub of One Peice? I only saw part of an episode, when Luffy was fighting Don Krieg, and I didn't see anything too much different other than voices.

And the violence. What some people don't realize is that it's cartoony artwork, One Piece is at least a PG-13 rating. The fights in that series get bloody. They also have an annoying habit of refusing to show any character being threatened with a gun. For goodness sake people, they pointed guns at each other all the time in GI Joe, and Batman: TAS. Even Thundercats and 80's He-Man had people being shot at, albeit with fancy laser guns.

[Rod G]

Blame Standards and Practices for the lack of blood and the gun thing.



Besides,whiny and anal self-styled "otaku" aren't the target audience for this show.So unless any of these wishes to organize a production company . . .

[Hiromi]

Blame Standards and Practices for the lack of blood and the gun thing.



Besides,whiny and anal self-styled "otaku" aren't the target audience for this show.So unless any of these wishes to organize a production company . . .

And you've now managed to stumble into our main complaint, that they took a show that WASN'T(to my knowledge) targeted at small children and turned it into one that is.

[Guts/Batman]

Blame Standards and Practices for the lack of blood and the gun thing.



Besides,whiny and anal self-styled "otaku" aren't the target audience for this show.So unless any of these wishes to organize a production company . . .


I agree. Blamne society for wanting to live in an imaginary world where no one gets hurt and/or dies.

[Cephus]

And people wonder why I download the fansubs.

See, that's the whole problem. Just because some company buys the rights to do a show doesn't mean they'll do a competent job at it. Most, IMO, do a horrible job with the translations and the dubbing, they hack and slash at the story, trying to censor or Americanize everything, until the whole point of the show is lost.

Sorry, but just because you throw money at the Japanese doesn't give you a right to my purchasing dollar. You have to produce a show that is WORTH BUYING!

Virtually no US producer does, the only thing that ever makes it worthwhile buying a US anime DVD is if they have the original Japanese on the disc.

[Rod G]

My point stands.

[Rod G]

Arukei posted this:

"Many people don't watch,they just complain incessantly about things
that don't really affect them.Essentially because they've grown to know
the series one way,they don't want other people to intrude on their fandom.
I think that most of the uproar is because while these shows are obviously aimed towards children in Japan,the age bracket aimed at in the United States is often different.That is to say . . .
What is considered appropriate for a children's show in Japan,isn't considered
appropiate in the states,so these fans are upset when a show that to them
seems like it's aimed towards teenagers is cut to make it appropriate for
the same age group that it was originally aimed towards."


For the record,standards of decency in Japan ARE indeed different than in the USA.

[Guts/Batman]

Arukei posted this:

"Many people don't watch,they just complain incessantly about things
that don't really affect them.Essentially because they've grown to know
the series one way,they don't want other people to intrude on their fandom.
I think that most of the uproar is because while these shows are obviously aimed towards children in Japan,the age bracket aimed at in the United States is often different.That is to say . . .
What is considered appropriate for a children's show in Japan,isn't considered
appropiate in the states,so these fans are upset when a show that to them
seems like it's aimed towards teenagers is cut to make it appropriate for
the same age group that it was originally aimed towards."


For the record,standards of decency in Japan ARE indeed different than in the USA.


Good. I'm getting sick of the ones in our country.

And how are they different. If you don't mind explaining.

[FearTheMoose]

Ctrl+Alt+Del also covered the way FOX prepares anime for air.
"Imported" (http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/?t=archives&date=2004-01-05)

[Rod G]

Fact is,certain folks just aren't the target demographic,so whining about anything done to a series isn't going to help matters.

[Cephus]

Fact is,certain folks just aren't the target demographic,so whining about anything done to a series isn't going to help matters.

Do you think for one second that Fox gives a damn about what anyone thinks? If it makes money their way, they'll keep airing it, if not, they'll can it and keep anyone else from doing it right.

The only decent commercial group out there right now is Genon, everyone else sucks donkey d*cks. Period.

[Xero Kaiser]

Arukei posted this:

"Many people don't watch,they just complain incessantly about things
that don't really affect them.Essentially because they've grown to know
the series one way,they don't want other people to intrude on their fandom.
I think that most of the uproar is because while these shows are obviously aimed towards children in Japan,the age bracket aimed at in the United States is often different.That is to say . . .
What is considered appropriate for a children's show in Japan,isn't considered
appropiate in the states,so these fans are upset when a show that to them
seems like it's aimed towards teenagers is cut to make it appropriate for
the same age group that it was originally aimed towards."
.

that's fine for Pokemon, but I doubt something like One Piece or Escaflowne ,or anything that's been hacked up like this, was ever made with 4 year olds in mind

[Rod G]

Point is,apart from several edits which I don't let bug me,the storyline remains the same.


To keep this on topic,while I wouldn't have minded Kid Muscle's voice actor to do the voice of Luffy,I don't gripe about Luffy's current voice.

Griping about things like this is counterproductive.


Besides,shows like Voltron and Robotech were even more "butchered" than anything licensed by 4kids combined.

[Hiromi]

You've never heard me bitch about why Macross is superior to Robotech however...actually I haven't done that at all here yet, this needs to be rectified. Or something.

[sir_snikt'alot]

theyve just started showing one piece in the u.k,and i have to say it gets really annoying when they cut/edit out violence,you dont understand what just happened because they cut 5 minutes of the show out.

there was even a part where a bandit got shot in the head,only to have one guy say 'its lucky for him that gun shoots blanks!',even after the guy is on the floor dead,it insults your intelligence.

just like dragonball z,nappa blows up a plane,only to have tien say that it was only filled with droids,or that he can see the survivors parachutes,the censors just cant show anything remotly life threatening.

[The Xenos]

After 9/11, somehow we're sticking out children's heads further into the sand. I think there should be more death and violence in kids cartoons. Get them ready for real life.

-Xenos

[Cephus]

Griping about things like this is counterproductive.

It is never counterproductive to gripe about things. It lets people who wouldn't otherwise know how badly these things are done. If enough people boycott these piss-poor products, then 4kids or whoever else will either get a clue or go the way of ADV.

Bad products deserve to be exposed for what they are.

Besides,shows like Voltron and Robotech were even more "butchered" than anything licensed by 4kids combined.

That's true, but they aren't making shows like Voltron or Robotech today are they? About the worst travesty they're doing are the Power Ranger massacres of decent sentai shows. Dekaranger is actually a really good show without this Power Ranger crap.

I just wish the Japanese had the balls, like Miyazaki does, to write into the contracts that all shows must be accurately translated, they can't be changed and the Japanese owners have the right of review before they are aired.

[Cephus]

You've never heard me bitch about why Macross is superior to Robotech however...actually I haven't done that at all here yet, this needs to be rectified. Or something.

Well, I don't know that Macross was superior to Robotech or anything. For all the publicity Macross got, it was never really more than a middle of the road show, certainly nothing spectacular in Japan.

Given a choice though, having all the original Japanese shows, I'd prefer to watch Macross, Southern Cross and Mospeada over Robotech any day.

[Rod G]

It is never counterproductive to gripe about things. It lets people who wouldn't otherwise know how badly these things are done. If enough people boycott these piss-poor products, then 4kids or whoever else will either get a clue or go the way of ADV.

Bad products deserve to be exposed for what they are.



That's true, but they aren't making shows like Voltron or Robotech today are they? About the worst travesty they're doing are the Power Ranger massacres of decent sentai shows. Dekaranger is actually a really good show without this Power Ranger crap.

I just wish the Japanese had the balls, like Miyazaki does, to write into the contracts that all shows must be accurately translated, they can't be changed and the Japanese owners have the right of review before they are aired.



"Go the way of ADV?"
ADV,if anything,is doing fine.


Griping just makes you look like a whiny crank who has no business telling
anybody how to do anything. That's what's counterproductive about it.
If you don't like what so and so is doing to such and such a series,nobody is forcing you to watch.

Besides Miyazaki is the exception and that's fine.Most anime creators and companies aren't interested in how a show is being shown overseas as long as people watch it.They could care less about any edits.Otherwise,we'd be hearing from THEM,okay?

So I wouldn't go around presuming that Oda Sensei is having a fit about how One Piece is being shown in the US.The target audience IS the one enjoying the show,as well as those who are more open minded.

[Cephus]

"Go the way of ADV?"
ADV,if anything,is doing fine.

That's why they closed down one of their facilities and laid off all their workers, right?

[Azangel]

I'm sorry, where do you get your information, Cephus?

What kind of factory?

How many workers?

What state/country was the factory in?

C'mon, details would be good...

[Silver Knight]

Hey I can stand Luffys voice, I even thinks it fits quite well. But sangi's voice, that is one remarkable work of crap. I mean its like a gettho Italian New Jersy thing going on that so makes the charecter sound like crap. I would expect more of a sophisticated voice, a little rugged but nothing that harsh. Also speaking of editing, can you belive what they did to sangi? Replacing his Ciggerette with a lollipop, I mean what is that? If they think a Cig is bad what kind of messege do they send by replacing it with a lolly I mean isnt that a little fruity?

[Guts/Batman]

Hey I can stand Luffys voice, I even thinks it fits quite well. But sangi's voice, that is one remarkable work of crap. I mean its like a gettho Italian New Jersy thing going on that so makes the charecter sound like crap. I would expect more of a sophisticated voice, a little rugged but nothing that harsh. Also speaking of editing, can you belive what they did to sangi? Replacing his Ciggerette with a lollipop, I mean what is that? If they think a Cig is bad what kind of messege do they send by replacing it with a lolly I mean isnt that a little fruity?

I agree with you. Sangi's is baaaddddd. I kind of expect the same. At least the way i read it.

To think that a kid would start somking cuz he saw his favorite character in a graphic novel doing it...crazy.