Why Batman hates Geoff Johns!

[Brian R]

Fooled you! I dont know why, but plenty of people seem to think he does... so he must!

Seriously, I have read tons of Johns' stuff, and not much of it has included Batman, but where in the heck did people get the idea that he hates him? Is it because he acts like a prick in GL Rebirth? He is like that in all the books! Its not Johns, its DC that apparently wants him to be an ass with everone!

If you have any examples where Johns has gone out of his way to make Batman a prick, in a way which is not consistent with the current way he is being written across the DCU, then please post them here, because I want to get to the bottom of this.

[Johnny Sorrow]

Seriously, I have read tons of Johns' stuff, and not much of it has included Batman, but where in the heck did people get the idea that he hates him? Is it because he acts like a prick in GL Rebirth? He is like that in all the books!

I don't understand why people think that either.

As you say I think DC just currently wants a very angry batman (and I think he has a right to be angry at the moment with the way some of the league behaved).

Also I think he was the only one behaving sensibly towards Hal in GL: Rebirth - after all the guy murdered tons of people (yellow fear monster or not!) - I certainly wouldn't be happy to see him! :D

Im hoping that 'very angry bats' hands the rest of the JLAers their asses in the upcoming John's JLA run!

[Astonishing X-Fan]

Yeah, I don't see how he hates Batman either.

Bats has a VERY GOOD reason to be an untrusting prick.

[Siythe]

I dont think its so much about how he writes Batman as it is how he writes everyone else reacting to Batman. like in rebirth while quite a lot of people I talk to agreed with Batman not trusting Hal none of the other JLAers seemed to. Plus now it looks like he's going to be taught a lesson about how unreasonable he's being about not trusting possesed nutters.

[noodleboy]

I think it's about Batman not trusting Hal and the way that John Stewart owned Bats in Rebirth. Fans might be pissed that Bats was shown up by the perceived 'Second-String' GL.

[Sean Walsh]

Also I think he was the only one behaving sensibly towards Hal in GL: Rebirth - after all the guy murdered tons of people (yellow fear monster or not!) - I certainly wouldn't be happy to see him! :D

And yet, at Hal's funeral, Batman forgave him and wished him well...

So basically, Hal shoulda stayed dead; that's the only way Batman would've liked him, I guess...

[Johnny Sorrow]

I dont think its so much about how he writes Batman as it is how he writes everyone else reacting to Batman. like in rebirth while quite a lot of people I talk to agreed with Batman not trusting Hal none of the other JLAers seemed to.

Thats way more accurate - some of the other JLAers have been behaving very weirdly recently (Jonn in countdown anyone!)

I think it's about Batman not trusting Hal and the way that John Stewart owned Bats in Rebirth. Fans might be pissed that Bats was shown up by the perceived 'Second-String' GL.

I find it difficult to accept the 'John owned him' intepretation - I think John flashed some green light in his face and shouted a bit. In fact I think if their confrontation had gone on a bit longer bats would have whipped out his 'Dull Green Lantern' repellent spray and wasted him :p

[Siythe]

And yet, at Hal's funeral, Batman forgave him and wished him well...

So basically, Hal shoulda stayed dead; that's the only way Batman would've liked him, I guess...

Well the good thing about him being dead was dead that the chances of him going mad, killing his friends and then trying to reset the universe were greatly reduced.

For some reason Batman is treated like an unreaonable psycho because he's the only one who doesnt think all of Saint Hal's actions should be ignored because he's such a great guy. Or that whatever the reasons were for him going mad it just might be possible it could happen again.

Thats way more accurate - some of the other JLAers have been behaving very weirdly recently (Jonn in countdown anyone!)

A whole hell of a lot of characters in countdown. Even more characters in IDC but esspecialy Black canary and Zatanna. Much as I'd like them to retcon that into somekind of manipulation on behalf of a big yellow fear monster though I thinks its just going to be left as a case of writters warping characters personalities to fit the needs of the plot.

[Static-Pulse]

If you have any examples where Johns has gone out of his way to make Batman a prick, in a way which is not consistent with the current way he is being written across the DCU, then please post them here, because I want to get to the bottom of this.Except, consistently, Batman is written as a prick. Asking for a scene where Johns has written him as "prick" and "which is not consistent" negate each other completely.

[Sean Walsh]

Well the good thing about him being dead was dead that the chances of him going mad, killing his friends and then trying to reset the universe were greatly reduced.

For some reason Batman is treated like an unreaonable psycho because he's the only how doesnt think all of Saint Hal's actions should be ignored because he's such a great guy. Or that whatever the reasons were for him going mad it just might be possible it could happen again.

Batman and Co. were just presented with THE reason why Hal went nuts - because a fear monster possessed him - and Batsy still treats Hal with disrespect, at a moment where the GL's COULD VERY WELL take this monster down and out.

I'd cry tears of joy if Hal just punched Bats out next issue and got onto fighting Parallax. :)

Plus, Hal spent his Spectre years fighting for atonement - for himself, more than just for everyone else. Batman HAS to know Hal regrets everything he did as Parallax. Maybe Hal's not doing the most logical things to atone for his sins, but he has to know that Hal is fully aware of what he did was wrong and is willing to make up for it.

[Brian R]

Except, consistently, Batman is written as a prick. Asking for a scene where Johns has written him as "prick" and "which is not consistent" negate each other completely.

That was exactly my point. If writing him as a prick is consistent with the current character, then you cant exactly blame Geoff, its DC's fault.

[bannermanonemillion]

I think it's about Batman not trusting Hal and the way that John Stewart owned Bats in Rebirth. Fans might be pissed that Bats was shown up by the perceived 'Second-String' GL.

Batman was so UNafraid of John that he stood there and let him get if off his chest. It was as if Batman was gonna say, "Feel better? Good. Now, as to why Jordan is a threat....."

[bannermanonemillion]

Batman and Co. were just presented with THE reason why Hal went nuts - because a fear monster possessed him - and Batsy still treats Hal with disrespect, at a moment where the GL's COULD VERY WELL take this monster down and out.



Little problem, I was under the impression that Parallax was still screwing with the green rings and anyone wearing them.

Plus the Guardians (y'know the blue guys who are equal to about 100 GLs put together) had to contain the fear monster inside of the Main Battery. Why not just vaporize the yellow beastie and get on with maintaining order in the universe? If they could why not do it back then, and if not what chance would Jordan (formidable as he may be) have with his one ring?

Just a thought, mind you.

[olympichero62]

I would be paranoid too if everyone i worked with was more powerful than i was.

[IamtheRock3]

Think people writing how Geof paint People reactions to batman somwhat what sane behavoir. trying to paint him out to be the bad guy


Ollie was talking about they had to mind wipe batman because he think he bigger the the JLA. No he just din't want you crazy fools going clock work organe on people. I mean it was understanble when it was the one time slip but come on. Then the whole going to knock him down a notch.

Doesnt mean he hate batman...He just feels the needs to have batman get pimp slap a lot. Seem he want Batman set up for some big falls. Least that my guess. When really it not that much of the need. Of the Iconic heroes batman get his butt handed to him a lot

Although I like Geof Batman in IC because he seem really human. The way he dealth with Robin was nice

Really it made some non Yellow monster justifications for Batman parnoi

Think about..you find out these guys was messing with people minds. That is a big no no in batman books and I'm a little against it to. So the moment you tried to stop them they screwed with your head to. Who to stop them from doing it to other

Really batman was pretty much helpless..shows the predictiment he in. They all reayd screwed him and was keeping it a secret from him for years. Powerfull being that could kill you with just a backward words...With all his protcals it showed how helpless he can be. Also worst let a lot of them might feel they didn't do anything wrong. Dont think Ollie does.

[sikkbones]

And yet, at Hal's funeral, Batman forgave him and wished him well...

So basically, Hal shoulda stayed dead; that's the only way Batman would've liked him, I guess...
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