The Genx Conspiracy

[Tre Styles]

There is a conspiracy in the Marvel Universe to get rid of or erase the memory of GenerationX. How could this happen you say? Why did this happen? The reasons are unknown. In the mid-90's readers were introduced to the next generation of X-Men, right after the Phalanx Covenant. It generated much excitement. Mainly because there had been no real "new blood" in the X-Universe in quite some time.Generation X #1 (by Scott Lobdell and Chris Bachalo)was a best seller. It had great characters such as.....
Banshee-Former Irish Cop X-Man with the sonic scream teaching the next Generation. It fit so perfectly it wasn't even funny...

Emma Frost-the former headmistress of the Massachussetts Academy redeeming herself from her "evil" days as the Hellfire Club's White Queen by working with Xavier.(This plants the seeds for the Emma of today)

M-Monet St. Croix...a mysterious, beautiful, rich,intelligent powerhouse who gets into it with....

Jubilee-the loudmouth, wise cracking "last X-Man" but loveable kid who idolizes her mentor.>Wolverine. Yes, she is our "Sparky"

Synch-Everett Thomas...the kid from down the block in St. Louis. Got the power to get your power, and knows how to use it better than yours. Great leadership potential, all around nice guy.

Chamber-Jonothan Starsmore...moody psionic fire Brit guy who has a half a face. He is also a talented musician.

Husk-Paige Guthrie....sister of Sam Guthrie aka Cannonball. Has the power to rip off skin revealing a new form underneath. She has the mind to be the next X-Man and works seriously towards this goal.
Skin-Angelo Espinosa(NOT Torres)....the Latino kid from East LA. Former gangbanger with the power to stretch his skin....has to maintain concentration to keep his form or he begins to literally "melt"...he's the angry one, the sarcastic one(Well right after Jono that is...)

Mondo--the first Hawaiian mutant? Laidback, easygoing, no worries type of guy. Has the power to meld in with any substance and become it...(ala Absorbing Man)
Pennance-a mysterious red razor skinned girl with blue eyes. Not much is known about her save for she was dropped off by Gateway(the teleporting mutant from the X-Men in the Outback days)
You also had Artie, Leech, Franklin Richards, Howard the Duck, and Gaia too who were minor supporting characters....
So what happened to this great set of characters who had dynamic interaction and the potential for great characterization? Well, it all started after Lobdell and Bachalo's GENX#25....something went wrong here. The anniversary issue just didn't quite work...was it Black Tom or Plant Man? Who's to know?! Then James Robinson came in and worked while Zero Tolerance was going on...and then we got hit with the Hama. Larry Hama...aka THE MAN WHO SINGLEHANDLELY DESTROYED GENX....ok, well maybe not that dramatic, and we can also blame some of the editors who brought him in. He brought us such great moments as
"The Pooka", "M-Plate", and Monet's "new" origins......Then along came Jay Farber who tried to help out, and gave the kids some fun stories, but assisted with the conspiracy by bringing a "new" Penny....and never clearing it up before he left(He probably wasn't given a choice....there is a conspiracy I'm telling ya).....finally Warren Ellis and Brian Wood came and did their thing which wasn't bad, but actually put the nail in the coffin for GENX....which was hard to understand why they'd cancel the book just when it started to have good writing again.......but then with conspiracies you don't have to be rational all the time.. ;) So, where is the conspiracy at? Let's look at what they've done to the characters....
Banshee-made into an alcoholic who can't get over the death of Moira and starts the X-Corps Boot Camp....and then is sent to comic book limbo

Emma-she gets the best deal...a new mutation (diamond form) and she becomes an X-Man.

M-Gets one of the most screwed with orgins in history. First she's twins, then they are her sisters(Nicole and Claudette), then she's not the Penny Shell, they are the Penny Shell, then they are free and she is free and Penny Shell is free....She joins X-Corp, which is another term for comic book limbo.

Jubilee-she's on the X-Men(again), but you'll never know....she's never seen at all...well except that she had the hots for Angelo Torres (who's that....we'll see in a minute) and a one panel where she whines about being on "Paige's Team"
Synch-killed by a bomb in Counter X. A bomb set by Emma's older sister Adrianne who they let stay with them even after a few issues prior she tried to kill them, but hey she's blackmailing us that she will tell the school has mutants but look she did anyway and now Everett is dead. Reasons? Because he was the nice kid...oh and Warren and Brian were drunk apparently...

Chamber--was with the X-Men for a little while. Dated a pop-star, investigated a mutant murder mystery at a college, and then faded from obscurity only to resurface to be mad at Paige for being with Warren, and then mysteriously disappears again.......

Husk-currently in the X-Men and known as Warren Worthington's (the Angel) "get over Betsy" material. Gone is the intelligent girl replaced with the "I need a man to get over Chamber" identity.

Skin-dead. Crucified by the Church of Humanity. Oh, and is now known as Angelo Torres.
Mondo-clone? Bad guy? Who knows where? Mondo disappeared with Black Tom, never to be seen again.....
Penny-Well first shewas M, and then she was the twins....now she is a free shell wandering around in Comic Book Limbo.

Artie-have no idea. And apparently the X-Men don't care about him either...let the 10 year fend for himself. Only the strong survive huh?

Leech-heard he was killed....(Weapon X?)...or maybe he's alive? Either way he's missing...

Franklin-back with mom and dad where he belongs....safe with the FF...
Gaia--comic book limbo....((and actually she should stay there))
As you can clearly tell, the GenerationX kids are slowy but surely either
a) being killed off
b) being dramatically changed with random personality traits that have nothing to do with their character(see Warren and Paige, or whiny Jubilee)
or c) joining the ranks of the comic book limboites....

Yes Virginia, there is a conspiracy to get rid of the GENXers, but why? OH why? Watch out Academy X kids....you got next. ;)

[Mr. Jip]

Can you believe that Leech n Artie are NOT at the new school..??...

Xavier's is an uncaring faculty.

[Flight]

Give M to Claremont!

[atoningunifex]

Can you believe that Leech n Artie are NOT at the new school..??...

Xavier's is an uncaring faculty.

Leech and Artie are currently working as hustlers in Los Angeles. Gus Van Sant will be directing a movie about them. Macaulay Culkin has signed on the play Leech and James VanDerBeek (in a sad attempt to recapture his Dawson's Creek-level popularity) will be playing Artie. Winona Ryder has signed on to play the fading movie star who befreinds them and pays them to live with her.

[nooocandy]

Leech and Artie are currently working as hustlers in Los Angeles. Gus Van Sant will be directing a movie about them. Macaulay Culkin has signed on the play Leech and James VanDerBeek (in a sad attempt to recapture his Dawson's Creek-level popularity) will be playing Artie. Winona Ryder has signed on to play the fading movie star who befreinds them and pays them to live with her.

Hmmm, I'm thinking straight to video, or is that straight to DVD nowadays.

As for the actual thread, it ain't really a conspiracy, it's just Marvel being..well...Marvel.

[atoningunifex]

Hmmm...there wasn't as much death, but the same kinda character destruction happened to the New Mutants. But now they're pretty much back to being interesting again.

Maybe the same fate will hold true for the Gen X kiddies.

I have to admit that I was never a huge fan of Gen-X. I loved the art when Bacchalo was doing it but the stories were only kinda ho-hum- with the exception of the Age of Apocalypse stuff- that shtuff rocked.

[venuscameback]

I have to admit that I was never a huge fan of Gen-X. I loved the art when Bacchalo was doing it but the stories were only kinda ho-hum- with the exception of the Age of Apocalypse stuff- that shtuff rocked.

I agree

I read the whole series as back issues, in consecutive order - and very little excited me. Or interested me. It was a struggle at times to keep reading.

As a book there was much potential, but it rarely got explored.

Chamber's the only new character the series introduced that I have any real interest in seeing again

he's cute

DLW

[Tre Styles]

I agree

I read the whole series as back issues, in consecutive order - and very little excited me. Or interested me. It was a struggle at times to keep reading.

As a book there was much potential, but it rarely got explored.

Chamber's the only new character the series introduced that I have any real interest in seeing again

he's cute

DLW

Both you and Atoning work for "THE MAN"....... ;)

[Sheldon]

Can you believe that Leech n Artie are NOT at the new school..??...

Xavier's is an uncaring faculty.


Those bastards.....Artie and Leetch forever....

[The Lucky One]

Here's the problem as I see it- basically, if you're going to stick to your slow-moving, Kitty's-still-a-teenager Marvel Universe timeline, there's only so many "generations" you can logically have. The original X-Men were teenagers. When the All-New crowd hit, the originals were supposedly of college age or so, so it was okay, since the new gang were that age and older themselves. Then you have the New Mutants as the teenagers, and all is well and good; no problem. But then Rob Liefeld decides to have them grow up into their early 20's... obviously, he didn't help them out any, but other writers came along later and made that work- now they were a bunch of college-age kids trying to find their place in the world. And Generation X were the new bunch of teens. Still fine.

But the problem now is that we have a new class of teenagers- the new New Mutants/Academy X gang. Well, suddenly you have one generation too many- the original and All-New X-Men are still the older, experienced crowd, and the New Mutants/X-Force gang are currently filling the role of early 20-somethings, much like other superhero groups like the Outsiders, the Titans (before the revamp), and New Warriors, etc. Then the new New Mutants are the teenage students. And to be honest, that leaves too small a niche for Generation X, as they would have to be shoehorned in between the teenagers and the early 20's gang. (Husk is now 19? Well, Kitty is 19... and Paige is NOT as old as Kitty.) Doesn't really work, which is (in my opinion, at least) why they haven't stuck together as a group like the New Mutants largely have, and why they're seen as the most cannon fodder-worthy characters when somebody needs to add emotional impact to a story. They either join the X-Men (which looks kinda weird since they're still pretty young and most of the New Mutants haven't even made it there yet), or go into limbo, or die. But of course, that's just my theory; take it with a grain of salt.

(Of course, DC's got their own problems with youth characters; it used to be quite simple -- JSA was the geezers, JLA the adult heroes, the Titans the 20-somethings, and Young Justice the teens -- but now they've gone and screwed that up. Suddenly you have two conflicting versions of the Teen Titans, the youthful, Young Justice-esque cartoon version and the serious, coming-of-age [and very good] Geoff Johns version, and the generations are mixing in the latter. Because of that, the younger characters [Robin III, Superboy, Wonder Girl II, Impulse/Kid Flash] are being forced into the more adult, finding-their-place-in-the-world stories before they're ready, and it's going to leave DC wanting when they need another lighthearted, "kids being kids" title and their young crew are now seen as too mature and advanced for that sort of thing. But that's another rant.)

-D, who enjoyed Lobdell and Faerber's runs but didn't follow the book religiously...

[SUPERECWFAN1]

I agree with the whole Post "The Lucky One" made.I think he hit the nail on the head with the whole age Issues at Marvel and now at DC!


To me there were only a few Gen X Kids that were really Interesting enough to keep around.Chamber,Paige, and Jubilee seemed to be the ones Marvel want to keep around.

I do think the Deaths of Skin & Synch were sad.At least Skin got a mention.The X-Men went to fight the "Church of Humanity" with a war cry "This Is for Skin!". Poor Everett got a bad death In comics.

[Zero Hunter]

Out of all of them Paige, M, Jubilee, and Mondo were the only ones I really liked. Well Mondo got screwed right out of the gate and M was not far behind him as far as getting screwed up goes. Paige tunred into the queen of Jailbait, and Jubilee has just never been the same.
All in all a pretty horrorible end if you ask me.

[Tre Styles]

Here's the problem as I see it- basically, if you're going to stick to your slow-moving, Kitty's-still-a-teenager Marvel Universe timeline, there's only so many "generations" you can logically have. The original X-Men were teenagers. When the All-New crowd hit, the originals were supposedly of college age or so, so it was okay, since the new gang were that age and older themselves. Then you have the New Mutants as the teenagers, and all is well and good; no problem. But then Rob Liefeld decides to have them grow up into their early 20's... obviously, he didn't help them out any, but other writers came along later and made that work- now they were a bunch of college-age kids trying to find their place in the world. And Generation X were the new bunch of teens. Still fine.

But the problem now is that we have a new class of teenagers- the new New Mutants/Academy X gang. Well, suddenly you have one generation too many- the original and All-New X-Men are still the older, experienced crowd, and the New Mutants/X-Force gang are currently filling the role of early 20-somethings, much like other superhero groups like the Outsiders, the Titans (before the revamp), and New Warriors, etc. Then the new New Mutants are the teenage students. And to be honest, that leaves too small a niche for Generation X, as they would have to be shoehorned in between the teenagers and the early 20's gang. (Husk is now 19? Well, Kitty is 19... and Paige is NOT as old as Kitty.) Doesn't really work, which is (in my opinion, at least) why they haven't stuck together as a group like the New Mutants largely have, and why they're seen as the most cannon fodder-worthy characters when somebody needs to add emotional impact to a story. They either join the X-Men (which looks kinda weird since they're still pretty young and most of the New Mutants haven't even made it there yet), or go into limbo, or die. But of course, that's just my theory; take it with a grain of salt.

(Of course, DC's got their own problems with youth characters; it used to be quite simple -- JSA was the geezers, JLA the adult heroes, the Titans the 20-somethings, and Young Justice the teens -- but now they've gone and screwed that up. Suddenly you have two conflicting versions of the Teen Titans, the youthful, Young Justice-esque cartoon version and the serious, coming-of-age [and very good] Geoff Johns version, and the generations are mixing in the latter. Because of that, the younger characters [Robin III, Superboy, Wonder Girl II, Impulse/Kid Flash] are being forced into the more adult, finding-their-place-in-the-world stories before they're ready, and it's going to leave DC wanting when they need another lighthearted, "kids being kids" title and their young crew are now seen as too mature and advanced for that sort of thing. But that's another rant.)

-D, who enjoyed Lobdell and Faerber's runs but didn't follow the book religiously...

Most excellent analysis Dr. Drew!! So goes the conspiracies...it has many layers.....

[Tre Styles]

Out of all of them Paige, M, Jubilee, and Mondo were the only ones I really liked. Well Mondo got screwed right out of the gate and M was not far behind him as far as getting screwed up goes. Paige tunred into the queen of Jailbait, and Jubilee has just never been the same.
All in all a pretty horrorible end if you ask me.

So you liked a lot of them...and true, a horrible end.....but can the GenX kids make a comeback? I hear Jubilee is coming out with a series....(see the Pulse's thread)

[Expletive Deleted]

It's not exactly an unprecedented situation. Ask any INFINITY INC fan about what's happened to their favorite characters since that series ended.

Jade kept losing her powers, had a molestation incident retconned into her childhood, and was reduced to the unenviable role of Kyle Rayner's girlfriend. Obsidian and Brainwave went crazy and became villains, Obsidian thanks to child abuse and Brainwave thanks to an evil brain worm. Atom Smasher's mother was killed, he killed at least one villain, and now he's pseudo-villainous himself. Northwind has apparently mutated into a mute and has likewise turned violent and pseudo-villainous. Lyta went nuts, Hector died, and their son became an abstract concept. Hourman became a depressed addict with cancer. Dr. Midnight and Wildcat were killed by Eclipso. Huntress never existed in the first place.

It's just what happens after your title gets cancelled and you don't really fit in anywhere else, I guess.

[Dr Manolis Dooplove]

Generation-X #1-25 is all classic!! every single moment in there is memorable, all the laughs and mysteries and cries and friendships and hardships... This is the new blood of the Marvel U, but how the later writers spill it irresponsibly!

Generation-X was never that good again. Except with Brian Wood, for 8 issues, 67-74. The joo issue and the M and Jubillee issues, nailed to the spot, perfect understanding of waht makes characters mtick. Thanks Bri,and thanks Scot and Chris!!

[Gingold]

The former New Mutants had the same problem in the mid-late 90s. Writers tend to want to either use the characters they grew up reading or create their own characters, or both. Readers who grew up reading New Mutants and Infinity Inc. are now writing comics. Are a result, we see more of these characters now, (along with brand new characters and the 'franchise' characters who never went away). In about 5 years or so, I'm sure we'll see some old Gen X fans writing comics and the characters will return to the limelight.

[Ryan K]

I read somewhere once that Austen was a Generation X fan, hence his including Husk and Jubilee in Uncanny. Doesn't explain why he used them so little, but still.

[Huzzah!]

all i know is M needs to be killed off. Or i guess M and penace. Whatever. Their origin is waaayyyyy too stupid and complicated. It almost gives Kwannon a run for the money

[Tre Styles]

all i know is M needs to be killed off. Or i guess M and penace. Whatever. Their origin is waaayyyyy too stupid and complicated. It almost gives Kwannon a run for the money
No, no no....we're trying to STOP them from being killed off. And even though she has one of the most convoluted, complicated, and confusing orgins in the history of X-dom, it's pretty much established that there is one Monet, and her two sisters. Monet can be written properly, and we can pretend the rest just didn't happen. We WANT Monet to LIVE...not die. There are too many good stories left for her. In particular, whatever happened to Chevy?(only long time GenX fans will get that question) ;) :p

[Ugoff]

I agree. Generation X was a great comic and started so strong. I think the main problem was that past story plotlines we're never given closure. They just seemed to want to forge ahead with new storylines and treat the old plotlines they should just hurry up and wrap up nicely as red headed step children. Also this title gave us one of the spookiest villians ever--Emplate! He rocked! Also the Emma/Sean dynamic rocked also. Not to mention the M/Jubilee/Ev triangle.

[Jet Black]

In particular, whatever happened to Chevy?(only long time GenX fans will get that question) ;) :p

If I remember correctly, didn't he just magically disappear after #25?

I dunno, I was the biggest Gen-X fan back in the day, but I gotta say that everything started falling apart at #25. Everything before that was gold. Sad to know everything just went out the window in their 25th issue anniversary.

[Factor Three]

While early issues were enjoyable Factor Three could care less if more GenX characters die. M? Chamber? Husk? Penance? Too much time has gone buy without any story giving us a real reason to like them.

[niall mc cann]

i loved the first 25 issues of Gen X.

They were excellent, all told. The issues after that broke my heart though (thank you mister Hama). All my favourite GenXers are dead now, anyway, so what do you do? I guess you just have to let it die.

It's a pity there won't be more, but there's twenty five excellent issues out there that can't be taken away from. That's something.

[Rio_de_Janeiro]

the issue with the soap bubbles
the halloween issue
the frogs

these three issues made me gasp in awe
what wonderful art! and what brilliant storytelling.


then...poof
everything was gone

[Mr. Jip]

The frogs were great!!!~

Some had radar satellite dishes on their heads!!!
wheeehehee snort snort!

[Jack Flash]

I loved the first 25 issues. I wanted to have Chris Bachalo's baby! But slowly it degraded into poor excuse for an X-comic. Penance went from an incredibly cool character (i bought the mystery and loved it) to ruining her and M in one fell swoop. ahh well, they fared no better than the New Mutants. If you aren't "Iconic" you aren't safe in the X-world. Chamber is still around. He was the truly great character from the book. I'd love to have a reunion book/mini.

[The Lucky One]

I'd love to have a reunion book/mini.

Careful what you wish for; the New Mutants: Truth or Death mini from a few years back, while it was great to see Doug and 'Yana again, just screwed continuity up even worse...
;)

-D

[Anon_me]

About the age thing...if Husk is 19 and since I was under the impression that Jubilee and Husk were pretty much the same age...wouldn't that make Jubilee a fairly old high school student in her series?

And another thing, if Moonstar et al. are in their early and mid-twenties, wouldn't that make them about the same age as Emma, who (if I recall from her book) was about 16 or 17 around 10 years ago; so, why take flack from her. And this would would make the whole Banshee/Emma thing kind of Lolita-esque since Banshee had to be at least in his 40s...

[The Lucky One]

About the age thing...if Husk is 19 and since I was under the impression that Jubilee and Husk were pretty much the same age...wouldn't that make Jubilee a fairly old high school student in her series?

Jubes was said to be 13 1/2 when Gen X started, while Paige was 15; though I personally don't buy Husk being 19 now, it could technically work with Jubes still being in HS. (Even though she's already sorta graduated and all.)

And another thing, if Moonstar et al. are in their early and mid-twenties, wouldn't that make them about the same age as Emma, who (if I recall from her book) was about 16 or 17 around 10 years ago; so, why take flack from her. And this would would make the whole Banshee/Emma thing kind of Lolita-esque since Banshee had to be at least in his 40s...

Emma's a bit older than the New Mutants; she's probably the same age as the original X-Men, mid (Iceman) to late (Beast) twenties. The former New Mutants are in their very late teens (Rahne) and early twenties (Sam, Dani, Shan). But yeah, Sean is definitely quite a bit older than her.

-D

[Ryan K]

About the age thing...if Husk is 19 and since I was under the impression that Jubilee and Husk were pretty much the same age...wouldn't that make Jubilee a fairly old high school student in her series?

I'll just take this from the what I posted on the thread about the announcement of the Jubilee ongoing

The Generation X Collector's Preview lists the kids' ages as
Chamber 18
Jubilee 13 1/2
Husk 17


See that thread and many others for my whining and complaining about Jubes' age and lack of aging. :D

[Anon_me]

Shan's probably older that early 20s since she was already an adult (I think) when she joined the New Mutants. And Jubilee 13.5 in Gen X so she was...12 when she met Wolverine?

[Mr. Jip]

Jubes was 8 when she met Logan...

[Dizzy D]

Shan's probably older that early 20s since she was already an adult (I think) when she joined the New Mutants. And Jubilee 13.5 in Gen X so she was...12 when she met Wolverine?

Jubes had her 13th birthday before her parents were killed, so just about everything shortly after Inferno to everything shortly after the Phalanx convenant should have happened within half a year. (And *that's* the sound of X-fan's heads exploding.)

(Timeline after that does seem to fit: Husk at 17, now 2-3 years later for her, would make Jubilee 15-16 years, which she seems to be.)

Always wondered about the classes in Generation X though (same as in New Mutants): you have ages ranging from 13-20 (Mondo was 19 or 20 ah hell, just pick 18 for Chamber to avoid any Mondo-clonage issues.) Chamber didn't seem to be exactly stupid so him taking the same classes as Jubilee always felt wrong. (the more self-study orientated thing that Morrison suggested during his run would fit better, especially with the lack of teachers at Xavier's.)

Anyway, loved the first few issues (IMHO it went downhill before issue 25): the introduction of Emplate, Chamber and Penance. The escape of Penance all good storytelling.
I like most of the characters in the book, only Jubilee, Husk and Skin I cared less for, but then the origin confusion around M began and Penance got dragged in (what was wrong with Yugoslavian, traumatized mute girl?)

Mondo was introduced but then never used again till it turned out that he was a traitor. (Tip to mr. Lobdell: having a traitor on the team usually only works if your readers/characters have any emotional involvement with that character (ie: use him/her in some stories and let him interact with others before revealing him as a traitor)

It was a title that finally gave Banshee a chance to shine though.

[Glaucon]

Did anyone else read the Generation X novel? I didn't read the comic every month but I really liked the novel.

[Dizzy D]

Did anyone else read the Generation X novel? I didn't read the comic every month but I really liked the novel.

I did read it (got it in a bargain bin for cheap and decided to read it). The only thing I remember about it, is not positive: the writer was trying to show that Chamber was british, so Chamber now used the words "bleedin'" and "bloody" in what appeared to be every other sentence. (History and emotion may have coloured this memory.) It's the same thing that annoyed me about Chamber in his Weapon X-appearances.

[Ryan K]

As far as I now there were three Generation X novels

Generation X by Scott Lobdell and Elliot S! Maggin
Generation X: Crossroads by J. Steven York
Generation X: Genogoths by J. Steven York

Took me forever to hunt them down one by one. Book store by book store. (This was before I was eBay happy).

[The Lucky One]

Shan's probably older that early 20s since she was already an adult (I think) when she joined the New Mutants.

Shan was 19 when she joined the New Mutants ('bout the same age as Colossus, a couple years older than Rogue); Roberto was 15, Rahne 13, and Sam and Dani I can't remember precisely, but about 16-17 or so. And Kitty was 14. If we go by Rahne's recent statement in NXM #3 that she's 19, then Shan would be 24-25, Kitty 19-20, Roberto about 21, and Sam and Dani around 22-23 or so. Rogue is about 23, Iceman maybe 25-26, Scott and Warren 27-28, and Hank 29-30.

(And ryankirk, thanks for the reminders about the ages; for some reason I thought Paige was only 15 at the start, guess I was wrong.)

Okay, so if Paige was 17 when she started and is 19 now, then Chamber is 20 and Jubilee is 15-16. Makes sense.

And Jubilee 13.5 in Gen X so she was...12 when she met Wolverine?

No, 15; that's how old she was when Claremont created her. Scott kinda took some liberties when he started Gen X.
;)

As for the Gen X novel, I remember it well; was my first exposure to the Hellions, actually, well before I ever started reading the New Mutants. I remember liking it and being vaguely disappointed that Statis never turned up in "real" continuity, though the book was adapted for a Gen X annual eventually. I read Crossroads too, though not Genogoths.

-D

[Ryan K]

Jubilee said she was 16 in one of the late Ellis penned Generation X books (It has been pointed out though that I might want to consider this non-cannon by Cronin).

I would think Chamber is at least 21 since he frequents bars often enough. (It has been pointed out that NY bartenders might not seem to care if he is under 21 but I think Marvel wouldn't allow a character that they dem to be underage to be seen drinking alcohol at a bar)

Oh well. If I think too long about these kids ages my head will explode.

[Anon_me]

Kitty worked at a bar though so wouldn't she have to be at least 21?

[The Lucky One]

Kitty worked at a bar though so wouldn't she have to be at least 21?

No. In Chicago (where she was working), you only need to be 19 to work in a bar. You still have to be 21 to DRINK in it, of course.

-D

[Huzzah!]

Jubilee would have to be pretty young when she met wolverine if she could pass off for a boy.

[Anon_me]

Nah...Jubliee has always been as flat as a board.

[Rich L]

On the subject of character's ages, didn't Emma Frost say that she was 'only 28' when the Cuckoo's called her old in one of Morrison's later issues? Kinda fits with the rest of the senior Xteam ages although it depresses me that I'm now older than most of them...

As far as Gen X goes, I think it started on a downward spiral before #25 - the Howard the Duck issues spring to mind.

[Brian Cronin]

Jubilee said she was 16 in one of the late Ellis penned Generation X books (It has been pointed out though that I might want to consider this non-cannon by Cronin).

I did?

What was my reasoning?

Not disagreeing, I just don't remember what I said. :)

-Brian

[Huzzah!]

On the subject of character's ages, didn't Emma Frost say that she was 'only 28' when the Cuckoo's called her old in one of Morrison's later issues? Kinda fits with the rest of the senior Xteam ages although it depresses me that I'm now older than most of them...

If you are older than 40 you are older than Xavier too. Dont worry though, you shall always be younger than magento because he somehow exists outside of the Marvel time loop.

[Rich L]

Nope, I'm almost thirty so Xavier's got a few years on me yet - although I always had him pegged as early 50s, I think.

As for Magneto, he's been deaged to a baby at least once, and I'm pretty sure there was something about the magnetic field deaging him at one point, so who knows how old he is?

[Huzzah!]

The person who has his birth certificate i suppose.

I dont consider him 30 or whatever when he was deaged but rather a 50ish year old in a 30 year old body.

As per Xavier that seems about right. He was their teacher after all, so there wasnt necessarily a huge age gap there.

[For the Good of X]

Give M to Claremont!
He's already got Sage to fill that 'uberpowerfulfemale' role, but Claremont's take on M's mutation - that she's perfect - would be interesting no doubt.

[circa 1982]

He's already got Sage to fill that 'uberpowerfulfemale' role, but Claremont's take on M's mutation - that she's perfect - would be interesting no doubt.

Claremont also seems to have a fondness for high society stories... I can see him enjoying M's familial connections and wealth.

How much you wanna bet she'd end up in a psuedo-lesbian relationship with Emma Frost before long, though?

:)

[The Fury]

Claremont also seems to have a fondness for high society stories... I can see him enjoying M's familial connections and wealth.

How much you wanna bet she'd end up in a psuedo-lesbian relationship with Emma Frost before long, though?

:)
I would like to see M in some connection to the Monaco royal family, might be quite interesting.

And, to the second thing, :D.

[Ryan K]

I did?

What was my reasoning?

Not disagreeing, I just don't remember what I said. :)

-Brian

No problem

I pointed out (again in the thread announcing Jubilee's ongoing) that in Generation X #68, Jubilee makes a statement that she is 16. This was one of the flashback issues that told the story of what happened to Synch in the "six month gap". So I figured at my best guess Jubilee was at least 16 1/2 at the end of Generation X. You replied...

Generation X #68, to me, was just an example of a writer wanting to write characters HIS way...notwithstanding what the actual characters WERE...and Marvel just giving a lot of editorial leeway under the "a good story doesn't need to follow continuity" thesis.

Which is a fine thesis to have, I just don't think that it should be considered canonical.

Or, in other words, if a character is written as being about 14-15 for years before a certain story, and written as being about 14-15 for years AFTER a certain story, the fact that the certain story claimed the character was 16 seems to be the one that should not be followed, not the OTHER stories.

-Brian

I have far too much time on my hands.

[circa 1982]

Did anyone else read the Generation X novel? I didn't read the comic every month but I really liked the novel.

I think there were three of them. I loved them all. They were really great. Made me like the characters.

I'm such a fan of the prose novels, really. Great stuff. Especially the X-Men: Mutant Empire trilogy.


I'm such a nerd.

[Rubicant]

On the subject of character's ages, didn't Emma Frost say that she was 'only 28' when the Cuckoo's called her old in one of Morrison's later issues? IIRC, she said "I'm only 27, you ungrateful wretches!"

[Tre Styles]

Gaia--comic book limbo....((and actually she should stay there))



I had originally said this in the first post(and meant it), but that's because there was no real reason to bring her back. But while I was typing away in the Banshee Should Return thread, I thought about how Gaia could actually be used to bring back Synch. I also have a theory on how Skin could be "resurrected"....hey if it can happen for my man Pete, it can happen for the GenX kids too.

Okay, Resurrecting Synch.....have Gaia find out about Synch's death. Now, Gaia was saved by Everett from the Rock of Eternity or some such Hama nonsense way back when...anyway Gaia's powers were somewhat undefined, but they did say that she could "restructure reality". What if Gaia took a small part of her restructuring reality to make it that Synch never "died", but was merely in a coma. Or maybe she could go back in time and save Everett from the exact point of death, bringing him into the very near future. Thus, Gaia serves a purpose, Everett is resurrected, and we can all breathe a little easier.....well, not all ...but for us who like Synch. It's plausible isn't it? Well at least a tiny bit? Nah, Marvel will never go for it. They probably just aren't interested.
Well for the Skin fans here's how to clear up "Skin's" death. Skin has faked his death before. His "dead skin" has been found before and everyone in East LA thought that he had died. That's why Torres was so upset when she found out he was not dead. (And whatever happened to her? Wasn't it that she was a mutant too or something like that?) Anyhow, let Skin have faked his death, and let ANGELO ESPINOSA...the real skin come back at some point in time for the GENX REUNION....held at the Academy, hosted by Emma and Sean. ;) I like these ideas. They could be done, but probably, never ever won't. Skin and Synch have as much chance as coming back as Rusty Collins does. ;) One can still hope though......Any other ideas on how they can come back?

[Catalyst]

There is a conspiracy in the Marvel Universe to get rid of or erase the memory of GenerationX. How could this happen you say? Why did this happen? The reasons are unknown. In the mid-90's readers were introduced to the next generation of X-Men, right after the Phalanx Covenant. It generated much excitement. Mainly because there had been no real "new blood" in the X-Universe in quite some time.Generation X #1 (by Scott Lobdell and Chris Bachalo)was a best seller. It had great characters such as.....
Banshee-Former Irish Cop X-Man with the sonic scream teaching the next Generation. It fit so perfectly it wasn't even funny...

Emma Frost-the former headmistress of the Massachussetts Academy redeeming herself from her "evil" days as the Hellfire Club's White Queen by working with Xavier.(This plants the seeds for the Emma of today)

M-Monet St. Croix...a mysterious, beautiful, rich,intelligent powerhouse who gets into it with....

Jubilee-the loudmouth, wise cracking "last X-Man" but loveable kid who idolizes her mentor.>Wolverine. Yes, she is our "Sparky"

Synch-Everett Thomas...the kid from down the block in St. Louis. Got the power to get your power, and knows how to use it better than yours. Great leadership potential, all around nice guy.

Chamber-Jonothan Starsmore...moody psionic fire Brit guy who has a half a face. He is also a talented musician.

Husk-Paige Guthrie....sister of Sam Guthrie aka Cannonball. Has the power to rip off skin revealing a new form underneath. She has the mind to be the next X-Man and works seriously towards this goal.
Skin-Angelo Espinosa(NOT Torres)....the Latino kid from East LA. Former gangbanger with the power to stretch his skin....has to maintain concentration to keep his form or he begins to literally "melt"...he's the angry one, the sarcastic one(Well right after Jono that is...)

Mondo--the first Hawaiian mutant? Laidback, easygoing, no worries type of guy. Has the power to meld in with any substance and become it...(ala Absorbing Man)
Pennance-a mysterious red razor skinned girl with blue eyes. Not much is known about her save for she was dropped off by Gateway(the teleporting mutant from the X-Men in the Outback days)
You also had Artie, Leech, Franklin Richards, Howard the Duck, and Gaia too who were minor supporting characters....
So what happened to this great set of characters who had dynamic interaction and the potential for great characterization? Well, it all started after Lobdell and Bachalo's GENX#25....something went wrong here. The anniversary issue just didn't quite work...was it Black Tom or Plant Man? Who's to know?! Then James Robinson came in and worked while Zero Tolerance was going on...and then we got hit with the Hama. Larry Hama...aka THE MAN WHO SINGLEHANDLELY DESTROYED GENX....ok, well maybe not that dramatic, and we can also blame some of the editors who brought him in. He brought us such great moments as
"The Pooka", "M-Plate", and Monet's "new" origins......Then along came Jay Farber who tried to help out, and gave the kids some fun stories, but assisted with the conspiracy by bringing a "new" Penny....and never clearing it up before he left(He probably wasn't given a choice....there is a conspiracy I'm telling ya).....finally Warren Ellis and Brian Wood came and did their thing which wasn't bad, but actually put the nail in the coffin for GENX....which was hard to understand why they'd cancel the book just when it started to have good writing again.......but then with conspiracies you don't have to be rational all the time.. ;) So, where is the conspiracy at? Let's look at what they've done to the characters....
Banshee-made into an alcoholic who can't get over the death of Moira and starts the X-Corps Boot Camp....and then is sent to comic book limbo

Emma-she gets the best deal...a new mutation (diamond form) and she becomes an X-Man.

M-Gets one of the most screwed with orgins in history. First she's twins, then they are her sisters(Nicole and Claudette), then she's not the Penny Shell, they are the Penny Shell, then they are free and she is free and Penny Shell is free....She joins X-Corp, which is another term for comic book limbo.

Jubilee-she's on the X-Men(again), but you'll never know....she's never seen at all...well except that she had the hots for Angelo Torres (who's that....we'll see in a minute) and a one panel where she whines about being on "Paige's Team"
Synch-killed by a bomb in Counter X. A bomb set by Emma's older sister Adrianne who they let stay with them even after a few issues prior she tried to kill them, but hey she's blackmailing us that she will tell the school has mutants but look she did anyway and now Everett is dead. Reasons? Because he was the nice kid...oh and Warren and Brian were drunk apparently...

Chamber--was with the X-Men for a little while. Dated a pop-star, investigated a mutant murder mystery at a college, and then faded from obscurity only to resurface to be mad at Paige for being with Warren, and then mysteriously disappears again.......

Husk-currently in the X-Men and known as Warren Worthington's (the Angel) "get over Betsy" material. Gone is the intelligent girl replaced with the "I need a man to get over Chamber" identity.

Skin-dead. Crucified by the Church of Humanity. Oh, and is now known as Angelo Torres.
Mondo-clone? Bad guy? Who knows where? Mondo disappeared with Black Tom, never to be seen again.....
Penny-Well first shewas M, and then she was the twins....now she is a free shell wandering around in Comic Book Limbo.

Artie-have no idea. And apparently the X-Men don't care about him either...let the 10 year fend for himself. Only the strong survive huh?

Leech-heard he was killed....(Weapon X?)...or maybe he's alive? Either way he's missing...

Franklin-back with mom and dad where he belongs....safe with the FF...
Gaia--comic book limbo....((and actually she should stay there))
As you can clearly tell, the GenerationX kids are slowy but surely either
a) being killed off
b) being dramatically changed with random personality traits that have nothing to do with their character(see Warren and Paige, or whiny Jubilee)
or c) joining the ranks of the comic book limboites....

Yes Virginia, there is a conspiracy to get rid of the GENXers, but why? OH why? Watch out Academy X kids....you got next. ;)


it was a great series that i looked forward to picking up every month but, alas, it's time has passed (and Synch is dead). :( when it started, it had the perfect creative team and lineup in an x-book.

[Tre Styles]

it was a great series that i looked forward to picking up every month but, alas, it's time has passed (and Synch is dead). :( when it started, it had the perfect creative team and lineup in an x-book.
True. I think that GENX's time has passed...but I'd like to see something worthwhile done with the survivors at least....and yea, Synch will probably remain deader than Bucky.

[GoGo Yubari]

I read somewhere once that Austen was a Generation X fan, hence his including Husk and Jubilee in Uncanny. Doesn't explain why he used them so little, but still.

Chuck Austen was a Generation X fan and he didn't know Skin's name... and decided to have Jubilee utter THAT line... and... and... AUGH.

Why is it that comic writers who ae "fans" of something pften tend to kill the characters or ruin the characters that they love so much?

[Jesse Newcomb]

Chuck Austen was a Generation X fan and he didn't know Skin's name... and decided to have Jubilee utter THAT line... and... and... AUGH.

Why is it that comic writers who ae "fans" of something pften tend to kill the characters or ruin the characters that they love so much?


Because he's an idiot and the editors are friggin' lazy.

The best thing to do for Generation X is to make them villains. Not being mentally controlled, do it for real. Have them kill Banshee as a warning to the X-Men that they're pissed at their absentee-teaching methods and they're going to recruit students out of their school for their philopsophy or something like that. But don't make Jubilee one of the evil Gen-Xers.

[Jack Flash]

i'd love to see Mondo return. he was so different. great visual. ethnically diverse. different body type than most 99% of the mutants we see. I'd love to see him and Cordy Frost(was that her name?) return from limbo.

[Corey Dreher]

Hey can somebody tell me the Monets's family secert? I never understood it. And I would love to see Artie and Leech back! They were good characters and I really think they should have had gotten more play.

[MrBiggs7]

M's family secret is...are you ready?

....they're a bunch of freaks. They're weird as hell and nobody knows what's going on. Not them, not the writers, not the fans. WTF? They can all merge with each other? What kinda crap is that?

Didn't they at one time hint that Gateway was related to M and Emplate?

[Heedra]

i'd love to see Mondo return. he was so different. great visual. ethnically diverse. different body type than most 99% of the mutants we see. I'd love to see him and Cordy Frost(was that her name?) return from limbo.


what i don't get is Mondo returning as a villain. someone help me out. was he being mind-controlled by Black Tom or something? when he first appears we see him chilling on the beach with Cordelia Frost. he seems like a really relaxed, light-hearted, definately not evil character. he doesn't seem like the type who would travel across the globe to kill members of Generation X either. btw, did i imagine it or was there a very short generation x story that came out right around the time of the first issue or before that showed Mondo as an actual student at the school? they were playing volleyball and Mondo apparently had never played and just let the ball hit him square in the face. but, because of his powers, he started to absorb the ball. i think Jubilee started shouting at him. anyways, if that was real, it weirded me out. MOndo definately didn't show up in issue 1 or any of the other issues until showing up as a villain. what's up with that?

oh and are Jono's powers nuclear? i think that's how they were described in the first issue but they were psi powers from then on. that always confused me because the energy looks like crackling fire unlike what you see in other psionic beings.

[Corey Dreher]

Yeah it was a bunch of crap. See this is what I like to call bad writers. The Genx cast was great but they had to screw it up. I mean like when they killed Colossus they were lucky that it worked out. But now see they were trying to do the Colossus thing but they can't. See now they could have kept this nice and simple. I.e Monet was born into a powerhouse, rich mutant family. She had two sisters and a brother. Her dad was Gateway (would have explain why they were close and they trained together). Her brother had a problem when he first got his mutant powers causing him to look like that and too feed off of engrey. Her family have this type of mental bond that they can all fuse into one and become a super person or something. And they should have never had Pen in the cast or Penny Shell or whatever. Too me this is easy and simple.

[Ryan K]

Hey can somebody tell me the Monets's family secert? I never understood it. And I would love to see Artie and Leech back! They were good characters and I really think they should have had gotten more play.

I think the St. Croix family secret was tha Emplate was a member.

Then it turned out that the Monet we knew for the first 30 or so issues was really Monet's twin sisters who had merged to form a duplicate Monet.

They did this because the real Monet was trapped in the Penance body by their brother Emplate.

Eventually, the real Monet was released and the twins became trapped in the Penance body instead.

And at one point M, the twins, and Emplate all merged and became M-plate for an arc.

[Ryan K]

what i don't get is Mondo returning as a villain. someone help me out. was he being mind-controlled by Black Tom or something? when he first appears we see him chilling on the beach with Cordelia Frost. he seems like a really relaxed, light-hearted, definately not evil character. he doesn't seem like the type who would travel across the globe to kill members of Generation X either. btw, did i imagine it or was there a very short generation x story that came out right around the time of the first issue or before that showed Mondo as an actual student at the school? they were playing volleyball and Mondo apparently had never played and just let the ball hit him square in the face. but, because of his powers, he started to absorb the ball. i think Jubilee started shouting at him. anyways, if that was real, it weirded me out. MOndo definately didn't show up in issue 1 or any of the other issues until showing up as a villain. what's up with that?

oh and are Jono's powers nuclear? i think that's how they were described in the first issue but they were psi powers from then on. that always confused me because the energy looks like crackling fire unlike what you see in other psionic beings.

Mondo's first appearence was in the first Generation X annual (on the beach with Cordelia Frost). Eventually he did join the school (somewhere in the range of issue 16 give or take a few issues). He was revealed to indeed be evil and an associate of Black Tom Cassidy (spying on Banshee). I assume this was the plan all along though I could be wrong.

[Tre Styles]

Yeah it was a bunch of crap. See this is what I like to call bad writers. The Genx cast was great but they had to screw it up. I mean like when they killed Colossus they were lucky that it worked out. But now see they were trying to do the Colossus thing but they can't. See now they could have kept this nice and simple. I.e Monet was born into a powerhouse, rich mutant family. She had two sisters and a brother. Her dad was Gateway (would have explain why they were close and they trained together). Her brother had a problem when he first got his mutant powers causing him to look like that and too feed off of engrey. Her family have this type of mental bond that they can all fuse into one and become a super person or something. And they should have never had Pen in the cast or Penny Shell or whatever. Too me this is easy and simple.

I like this idea man, the only thing I'd change is that I keep M's father who he is...Ambassador St. Croix who is a member of Xavier's Underground. I would make Gateway related as a great-uncle or grandfather, that way it would make sense that he is trying to train M in the use of her powers. I also think another family secret was that Emplate may have killed their mother (accidently...I can't remember right now, got to check my old issues).
I also disagree that Penny shouldn't have been part of the cast, I think she should've been....but not as a member of the St. Croix family. I think they should've had the real M maybe being held as a hostage or something by her brother, and when the twins were revealed, the GENX crew had to go save her. Penny could've been another mutant who had escaped from Emplate(which is originally what she was>). Penny worked better as the silent, mysterious type. There were a wealth of stories to be told with GENX. But the writers wasted their opportunities to really develop this cast. :cool:

[Tre Styles]

what i don't get is Mondo returning as a villain. someone help me out. was he being mind-controlled by Black Tom or something? when he first appears we see him chilling on the beach with Cordelia Frost. he seems like a really relaxed, light-hearted, definately not evil character. he doesn't seem like the type who would travel across the globe to kill members of Generation X either. btw, did i imagine it or was there a very short generation x story that came out right around the time of the first issue or before that showed Mondo as an actual student at the school? they were playing volleyball and Mondo apparently had never played and just let the ball hit him square in the face. but, because of his powers, he started to absorb the ball. i think Jubilee started shouting at him. anyways, if that was real, it weirded me out. MOndo definately didn't show up in issue 1 or any of the other issues until showing up as a villain. what's up with that?

oh and are Jono's powers nuclear? i think that's how they were described in the first issue but they were psi powers from then on. that always confused me because the energy looks like crackling fire unlike what you see in other psionic beings.


The volleyball game was in the GENX ashcan issue. And "Mondo" was in plenty of GENX issues( the main one being an annual or a special that had Cordy Frost trying to get into the Hellfire Club with Mondo as her ticket in), until Farber said that that Mondo was a clone, and the "real" Mondo had shown up with Black Tom as a villian. Dumb idea. Really dumb. Another destroyed character.(But one that could possibly be turned around....but apparently Mondo is dead...) :(

[Tre Styles]

SPOILER WARNING.....


Someone very special to me (see avatar) is back in New X-Men Academy X #16 HOM tie in issue....see the preview over at NEWSRAMASpoiler (http://www.newsarama.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=37545) Isn't that GRRRREAT news? Too bad he won't live after HOM. Or maybe he will?

[Sharcque]

OK -- I had quit reading the Gen X after the 1st 15 issues or so......someone gimme the lowdown on the M/Pennance connection.

[Tre Styles]

OK -- I had quit reading the Gen X after the 1st 15 issues or so......someone gimme the lowdown on the M/Pennance connection.

Extremely long and extremely complicated, but here's a go at it:

Monet and her brother, Marius St. Croix, were at odds with each other. Monet teased Marius who was an energy sucking vampire who we now know as Emplate. Becauseof her cruelty to him, Marius transformed Monet into the Pennance creature. Although Pennance was originally named that because it was actually Gateway's way of paying "pennance" for something he had done. (What that was I'm not exactly sure).
Monet's younger sisters Claudette and Nicole, had the mutant power to merge with each other, and merged to form their sister's previous form. It was Claudette and Nicole who were disguised as the Monet that we were introduced to in the Phalanx Covenant and the majority of the first half of the GENX Run.

We found out that they were twins at the end of the OZT run....and then from there, Larry Hama gave us the story about Marius transforming Monet into Penny. Later, after Monet was freed from the Pennance shell, Claudette and Nicole took her place in the shell. After that, the girls were freed as well, and now the Pennance shell is able to live on it's own. This hasn't been explained yet, and it's doubtful that they ever will explain it. Monet's history is one of the most convoluted and confusing stories in all of X-Dom. Only Shatterstar's can compare equally.

[Blackcat]

I miss Penance!

.

[Corey Dreher]

I think the St. Croix family secret was tha Emplate was a member.

Then it turned out that the Monet we knew for the first 30 or so issues was really Monet's twin sisters who had merged to form a duplicate Monet.

They did this because the real Monet was trapped in the Penance body by their brother Emplate.

Eventually, the real Monet was released and the twins became trapped in the Penance body instead.

And at one point M, the twins, and Emplate all merged and became M-plate for an arc.


That was the secert!?!?!? I kinda guessed that from the beginning. Monet, she has the most poential, yet she won't be able to use any of it becuase all writers screw her up kinda.

[cowboyfunk]

I liked Generation X. And it made me sad how they book and characters kinda went to hell. I figure the book existed at a terrible time (mid to late nineites) and no one cared enough about comics to keep things in order.

Alas...I'd like to see Synch, and Jubilee, and M, and Chamber, and Mondo back together. Heck...I wouldn't even try to justify it. Just bust out the retcon gun and ignore all poor continuity.

[The Lucky One]

Alas...I'd like to see Synch, and Jubilee, and M, and Chamber, and Mondo back together. Heck...I wouldn't even try to justify it. Just bust out the retcon gun and ignore all poor continuity.

If we're doing that, we're going even further back- we're bringing back Cypher, Magik, and Warlock to the New Mutants, and they never met Cable. God, I love the retcon gun...
;)

-D

[dazzler_slave]

Retcon gun...fabulous idea!

We retcon back the Gen X and the New Mutants

We make it so Gambit and Rogue never hooked up so Rogue can go back to being the peppy spunky firecracker she was before Remy the Human Valium made her depressed all the time.

We return Illyana to a teenager and she doesn't die.

Sunfire and Northstar are back (recent retcon)

Kwannon never existed and Psylocke was always turned Asian by magic, not body switching

Avengers Disassembled never happened

Grant Morrison's run on X-Men never happened

and, most importantly, Dazzler never left the team and has been a member in good standing since she joined in 1986! :)


As far as Gen X goes, I loved the first 25 issues, but I have to say I dug Larry Hama's run too. It was wild and unpredictable and he was the only writer to come close to Lobdell's off beat stories. And I understand the whole Monet/Emplate/Penance/M-Plate thing completely. What's so difficult about it? Not the coolest plot twist, no, but certainly not that difficult to understand.

[Sharcque]

Extremely long and extremely complicated, but here's a go at it:

Monet and her brother, Marius St. Croix, were at odds with each other. Monet teased Marius who was an energy sucking vampire who we now know as Emplate. Becauseof her cruelty to him, Marius transformed Monet into the Pennance creature. Although Pennance was originally named that because it was actually Gateway's way of paying "pennance" for something he had done. (What that was I'm not exactly sure).
Monet's younger sisters Claudette and Nicole, had the mutant power to merge with each other, and merged to form their sister's previous form. It was Claudette and Nicole who were disguised as the Monet that we were introduced to in the Phalanx Covenant and the majority of the first half of the GENX Run.

We found out that they were twins at the end of the OZT run....and then from there, Larry Hama gave us the story about Marius transforming Monet into Penny. Later, after Monet was freed from the Pennance shell, Claudette and Nicole took her place in the shell. After that, the girls were freed as well, and now the Pennance shell is able to live on it's own. This hasn't been explained yet, and it's doubtful that they ever will explain it. Monet's history is one of the most convoluted and confusing stories in all of X-Dom. Only Shatterstar's can compare equally.
Thanks a lot TS!!!! Honestly, I got frustrated with the just reading your small write up on it, so maybe it's a good thing I missed it.

[Tre Styles]

*bump...bump Bump* (thanks Faded) ;)

The Conspiracy is becoming more and more true with each day, each week, each month, etc.....now that Decimation has hit, we see so very few members of GENX left....the only ones left are M, Husk, Emma, and Sean. And I would say that the only one who would be safe right now is Emma....with a possibility of M.

However, here's the question of the week, is Monet really safer than Emma? And what about Husk? Does she stand a chance? Most of the Guthrie clan is being taken out as well

I say none of them are truly safe. Queseda is out to finish them all....except Emma. She's makin' bucket loads of money. Sean maybe safe too, seeing as he was with the X-Men for numbers of years.

And is it true that ARTIE got hit by the D-Wave too?

More confirmation.

Is there any hope for the GENXers?

One could only hope.....

[Faded]

Welcome!

I don't think Sean is safe (XM:DG). For me, I don't even consider Banshee and Emma part of the conspiracy since they were created before Gen X's time and had previous storylines to the series. It seems Joe Q has something against 90's characters in particular, which is why I don't personally include them.

M is probably safe only because of PAD. I remember when Skin was killed, Austen IIRC said M was also an option on that list. Grrrrrr...

[LoneWolf21]

Extremely long and extremely complicated, but here's a go at it:

Monet and her brother, Marius St. Croix, were at odds with each other. Monet teased Marius who was an energy sucking vampire who we now know as Emplate. Becauseof her cruelty to him, Marius transformed Monet into the Pennance creature. Although Pennance was originally named that because it was actually Gateway's way of paying "pennance" for something he had done. (What that was I'm not exactly sure).
Monet's younger sisters Claudette and Nicole, had the mutant power to merge with each other, and merged to form their sister's previous form. It was Claudette and Nicole who were disguised as the Monet that we were introduced to in the Phalanx Covenant and the majority of the first half of the GENX Run.

We found out that they were twins at the end of the OZT run....and then from there, Larry Hama gave us the story about Marius transforming Monet into Penny. Later, after Monet was freed from the Pennance shell, Claudette and Nicole took her place in the shell. After that, the girls were freed as well, and now the Pennance shell is able to live on it's own. This hasn't been explained yet, and it's doubtful that they ever will explain it. Monet's history is one of the most convoluted and confusing stories in all of X-Dom. Only Shatterstar's can compare equally.

The original reason Penance was called "Penance" was because Gateway felt guilty about his role in the death of the Hellions (he was the one who transported Fitzroy and Pierce and his cronies to the HFC, if I remember right), and of course, Penance originally had no connection to the St.Croix, she was from Yugoslavia, and her body was adaptable from her surrounding (because of being in such a war-torn country and being tortured by Emplate, her body became diamong hard/sharp. Eventually she would literally have softened up).

M of course, was supposed to be two young girls (one of whom was autistic, hence her occasional bouts of staring off into space), who could merge into one older form that was near perfec in everyway. Of course the idea here was to give Banshee and Emma something of a moral quandary: M was the group's powerhouse no question, but would it be right to send what is really two underage girls into a superhero fight?

Oh, and of course, there's the joke potential of having M become M&M ;)

[Faded]

The original reason Penance was called "Penance" was because Gateway felt guilty about his role in the death of the Hellions (he was the one who transported Fitzroy and Pierce and his cronies to the HFC, if I remember right), and of course, Penance originally had no connection to the St.Croix, she was from Yugoslavia, and her body was adaptable from her surrounding (because of being in such a war-torn country and being tortured by Emplate, her body became diamong hard/sharp. Eventually she would literally have softened up).

M of course, was supposed to be two young girls (one of whom was autistic, hence her occasional bouts of staring off into space), who could merge into one older form that was near perfec in everyway. Of course the idea here was to give Banshee and Emma something of a moral quandary: M was the group's powerhouse no question, but would it be right to send what is really two underage girls into a superhero fight?

Oh, and of course, there's the joke potential of having M become M&M ;)


Hmmm...that actually sounds pretty good.

[Porcelain]

It's a shame the original Penanace was lost (I stopped reading before then so missed the whole M-mangal), despite the fact she was mute she was still one of the most interesting. I do like M but it's so much better when my mind just skips over the twin/Penance thing.

Said in the other thread, I was gutted when I heard Skin was dead. Techincially Jubilee and Chamber are still saveable (thank god), as Faded said M is likely safe (unless PAD does a very cruel 180) and I don't think Emma/Sean count for the same reasons. So yeah...Husk, she can die :D

[Tre Styles]

The original reason Penance was called "Penance" was because Gateway felt guilty about his role in the death of the Hellions (he was the one who transported Fitzroy and Pierce and his cronies to the HFC, if I remember right), and of course, Penance originally had no connection to the St.Croix, she was from Yugoslavia, and her body was adaptable from her surrounding (because of being in such a war-torn country and being tortured by Emplate, her body became diamong hard/sharp. Eventually she would literally have softened up).

Yes. That's correct. I remember that now. Yeah, Penny originally had no connection except that she was tortured by M and the twins brother, Marius (*Emplate). I miss that Penny. :(

M of course, was supposed to be two young girls (one of whom was autistic, hence her occasional bouts of staring off into space), who could merge into one older form that was near perfec in everyway. Of course the idea here was to give Banshee and Emma something of a moral quandary: M was the group's powerhouse no question, but would it be right to send what is really two underage girls into a superhero fight?

Exactly. And it was also sorta weird because right before we found out they were twins, they, as M, smooched on Everett....before he really smooched on the real M. So THAT in itself was uneasy. Ev didn't know though....

Oh, and of course, there's the joke potential of having M become M&M ;)

Yeah that would've been fun.....

[Register]

I had originally said this in the first post(and meant it), but that's because there was no real reason to bring her back. But while I was typing away in the Banshee Should Return thread, I thought about how Gaia could actually be used to bring back Synch. I also have a theory on how Skin could be "resurrected"....hey if it can happen for my man Pete, it can happen for the GenX kids too.

Okay, Resurrecting Synch.....have Gaia find out about Synch's death. Now, Gaia was saved by Everett from the Rock of Eternity or some such Hama nonsense way back when...anyway Gaia's powers were somewhat undefined, but they did say that she could "restructure reality". What if Gaia took a small part of her restructuring reality to make it that Synch never "died", but was merely in a coma. Or maybe she could go back in time and save Everett from the exact point of death, bringing him into the very near future. Thus, Gaia serves a purpose, Everett is resurrected, and we can all breathe a little easier.....well, not all ...but for us who like Synch. It's plausible isn't it? Well at least a tiny bit? Nah, Marvel will never go for it. They probably just aren't interested.
Well for the Skin fans here's how to clear up "Skin's" death. Skin has faked his death before. His "dead skin" has been found before and everyone in East LA thought that he had died. That's why Torres was so upset when she found out he was not dead. (And whatever happened to her? Wasn't it that she was a mutant too or something like that?) Anyhow, let Skin have faked his death, and let ANGELO ESPINOSA...the real skin come back at some point in time for the GENX REUNION....held at the Academy, hosted by Emma and Sean. ;) I like these ideas. They could be done, but probably, never ever won't. Skin and Synch have as much chance as coming back as Rusty Collins does. ;) One can still hope though......Any other ideas on how they can come back?

I thought Gaia was a great character. Her powers were by far my fave and could've made a great addition to the team. Telekinesis, telepathy and reality warping are very wide and since she hasn't been in the "real" world in a long time much could've been created within her personality. I agree with you about her bringing back Synch and Skin definitely needs to be brought back and maybe while she's there she could bring back another person who died at the hands of the COH, a certain......avatar of mine for instance.

[Tre Styles]

I thought Gaia was a great character. Her powers were by far my fave and could've made a great addition to the team. Telekinesis, telepathy and reality warping are very wide and since she hasn't been in the "real" world in a long time much could've been created within her personality. I agree with you about her bringing back Synch and Skin definitely needs to be brought back and maybe while she's there she could bring back another person who died at the hands of the COH, a certain......avatar of mine for instance.


Hey welcome Register.I'm thinking about it, and wondered whatever happened to Gaia. She could've definitely been used in HOM to counteract Wanda's effects. Was she a mutant? If not, she could reverse the whole thing. Hey maybe Gaia is actually Layla Miller? Naw, probably not....and yeah, I would welcome a return of Jessie Bedlam.

[Faded]

There were a lot of reality warpers who can undo M-Day. Mr. M, Jamie Braddock, Gaia, Mikhail Rasputin, Franklin Richards are five I remember because of this thread and the 198 Files.

Gaia was okay but she's too insanely powerful to work in a regular book/Earth setting.

[punisher_ryu]

While early issues were enjoyable Factor Three could care less if more GenX characters die. M? Chamber? Husk? Penance? Too much time has gone buy without any story giving us a real reason to like them.

ahahahahahaha..........you spelt "by" wrong.

[punisher_ryu]

Jubes was said to be 13 1/2 when Gen X started, while Paige was 15; though I personally don't buy Husk being 19 now, it could technically work with Jubes still being in HS. (Even though she's already sorta graduated and all.)



Emma's a bit older than the New Mutants; she's probably the same age as the original X-Men, mid (Iceman) to late (Beast) twenties. The former New Mutants are in their very late teens (Rahne) and early twenties (Sam, Dani, Shan). But yeah, Sean is definitely quite a bit older than her.

-D

isnt moira like in her 50's, since she went to the same college as xavier.

[The Lucky One]

isnt moira like in her 50's, since she went to the same college as xavier.

Well, she's dead, so her age is a bit of a moot point now. ;) But even so, there's no telling whether she and/or Xavier went to college immediately after high school. Plus, you can't tell anyone's age by comparing them to Xavier because he's in a cloned body now- his current body is in its late 30s, early 40s, but his original age is impossible to pin down. (He and Juggernaut both supposedly fought in the Korean War, but that may be retconned by now.) And Magneto was reaged to a man in his mid-30s by Erik the Red, so he's likewise impossible to get an accurate age reading on.

As for Moira, I always had her pegged as mid to late 40s, but that's just an estimate... Proteus seemed to be in his late teens, maybe early 20s. It's pretty open to interpretation.

-D

[The Sword Is Drawn]

It's certainly an odd state of affairs, isn't it? When we were first introduced to the Gen X kids, who included the 616 Blink at the point, The Phalanx had captured them for one reason and one reason only - genetically they were the cream of the crop from the next generation of mutants.

Somehow this has kinda been forgotten, or ignored, as none of this group have ever filled that potential.

Yeah, they have been swept under the carpet. I don't even think, from Generation M, that the X-Men even give a shit about Chamber. The guy needs serious continuous life support since M-Day and they wont even give him that in the mansion!

[Porcelain]

It's certainly an odd state of affairs, isn't it? When we were first introduced to the Gen X kids, who included the 616 Blink at the point, The Phalanx had captured them for one reason and one reason only - genetically they were the cream of the crop from the next generation of mutants.

Somehow this has kinda been forgotten, or ignored, as none of this group have ever filled that potential.

Forgot about that and it's a really good point, though hardly suprising given the tranistory nature of non-core characters in comics and it's a big shame it was never explored.

I'm sort of 'ok' about Chamber, the X-men have a lot on their plate at the moment, they've given them all they can (in terms of medical equipment) considering he's comatose and right now they can't do anything more for him, does it matter where the room he's comatose in is? Opening their doors as a psuedo refuge camp I would think they'd be short of resources.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

Forgot about that and it's a really good point, though hardly suprising given the tranistory nature of non-core characters in comics and it's a big shame it was never explored.

I'm sort of 'ok' about Chamber, the X-men have a lot on their plate at the moment, they've given them all they can (in terms of medical equipment) considering he's comatose and right now they can't do anything more for him, does it matter where the room he's comatose in is? Opening their doors as a psuedo refuge camp I would think they'd be short of resources.

True, they probably are. I'm just not sure of the logic of that particular flat.

Ah well. I'm kinda happy for Chamber to stay there for a good few years from now. Then eventually, through some quirk, or possibly a Gen X revival (It'll happen, just like it did with the New Mutants...) Chamber gets his powers back and goes mental for what he will see as the X-Men abandoning him...

[Alan2099]

I have to disagree, M, Husk, Emma, and Sean may all still be around, but I don't think of them is safe.

Emma has already fallen victim to having her past rewritten and all her time and characterization in Generation X basically ignored.

Sean has pretty much went though a complete character assassination.

Husk is being badly written right now. It's not something that couldn't be undone easily, but it's there.

As for the ages, I could have sworn Jubilee was 14 when she met Wolverine and "14 and a half" when she joined Generation X.

[Sentinel K]

Its likely that Sean is *now deceased as of the end of Deadly Genesis #2.*.

So *another one bites the dust.*

[The Sword Is Drawn]

Its likely that Sean is * now deceased as of the end of Deadly Genesis #2.*.

So *another one bites the dust.*

I'm really hoping that's not the case.

I really narks me that since Gen X was axed both Banshee and Emma had the entire of that section of their lives ignored by any writing team to have som much as brushed past them.

Such a lot of positive character development, thrown aside.

[jawbreaker]

Then eventually, through some quirk, or possibly a Gen X revival (It'll happen, just like it did with the New Mutants...) Chamber gets his powers back and goes mental for what he will see as the X-Men abandoning him...

actually all the Gen-Xers should go mental for the crap way theyve been treated. I always thought it be cool to have them as a future group of villains for the X-men- former students who feel they were let down by their teachers & now fight against them. Buuuut...thats now basically what the premise for Deadly Genesis is about.

I do think that Jono will be okay. He'll be out of the limelight for now, but we'll see him again. We just have to grit our teeth & be patient...

[The Sword Is Drawn]

I do think that Jono will be okay. He'll be out of the limelight for now, but we'll see him again. We just have to grit our teeth & be patient...

The way this has now been set up I want Chamber out for a good long time. I'm talking the rest of the decade minimum kind of time.

Chamber should become a forgotten X-Man, so that when he finally does return it'll actually surprise a few peoplwe, and it will have a bloody decent impact. These days they rush characters back way too soon. Chamber has that potential.

[Porcelain]

Its likely that Sean is *now deceased as of the end of Deadly Genesis #2.*.

So *another one bites the dust.*
I'd actually be really suprised if they followed through with that.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

I'd actually be really suprised if they followed through with that.

Exactley. I'm pretty sure this is just a cliffhanger..............

[Faded]

According to spoilers from another site, the new OHOTMU A-Z (out next week) lists Banshee as deceased.

[Hi-Fi]

According to spoilers from another site, the new OHOTMU A-Z (out next week) lists Banshee as deceased.

Didn't it happen in Deadly Genesis already? :confused:

I'm just happy that my favorites Gen-X members (Chamber, Jubes and M) are still alive.

[Sentinel K]

According to spoilers from another site, the new OHOTMU A-Z (out next week) lists Banshee as deceased.

It also gives it away in th list of January x-titles at the back of certain books.

Issue 1 of Sentinal Squad O*N*E for example. I'm sure it's in some others aswell.

I quote: Deadly Genesis #3 - *Somebody's dead. We'll give you a hint: he's a big Lucky Charms fan!*

Even a moron could work out who they're talking about.

[lament]

According to spoilers from another site, the new OHOTMU A-Z (out next week) lists Banshee as deceased.

I've really had it with Marvel. :( :(

[Beast]

According to spoilers from another site, the new OHOTMU A-Z (out next week) lists Banshee as deceased.
What site? :)

[Hi-Fi]

What site? :)

Hya, Beast! :)

[Beast]

Hya, Beast! :)
Heyya Hi-Fi, what's up my man. Missed you.

Don't forget that Dark Beast from Generation X is still running around also. :D

[Faded]

What site? :)

X-Fan.

DotDotDot

[Faded]

It also gives it away in th list of January x-titles at the back of certain books.

Issue 1 of Sentinal Squad O*N*E for example. I'm sure it's in some others aswell.

I quote: Deadly Genesis #3 - *Somebody's dead. We'll give you a hint: he's a big Lucky Charms fan!*

Even a moron could work out who they're talking about.

I haven't seen those in particular, but it always could've just been a cliffhanger/teaser.

[Faded]

Didn't it happen in Deadly Genesis already? :confused:

I'm just happy that my favorites Gen-X members (Chamber, Jubes and M) are still alive.

My favorites, aside from Skin, are alive as well but aren't in that good of shape (especially poor Chamber).

[Porcelain]

According to spoilers from another site, the new OHOTMU A-Z (out next week) lists Banshee as deceased.
Bugger. Well, on the flip (I refuse to say 'up') side at least they followed through with something. Won't even get a funeral in all likelyhood, maybe a head stone shot if they're feeling generous.

[lament]

Bugger. Well, on the flip (I refuse to say 'up') side at least they followed through with something. Won't even get a funeral in all likelyhood, maybe a head stone shot if they're feeling generous.

I doubt we'll even get a reaction from the family and loved ones. :(

[Porcelain]

Yep, ooooh though maybe PAD may pick it up in X-Factor for Siryn what with her being off the bottle and all plus M being there. (Though an actual funeral would be nice for a change)

[lament]

Yep, ooooh though maybe PAD may pick it up in X-Factor for Siryn what with her being off the bottle and all plus M being there. (Though an actual funeral would be nice for a change)

Banshee's one of my five all-time favorite characters, and it irks that they killed him off. Yeah, this is comics, and he could come back a few years from now. But still, I was looking forward to possibly seeing him come back into the picture.

If PAD does use Sean's death to further develop Terry, Monet, and Jamie a bit, I would feel some better about it, because at least his death would have a point. As it stands, his death is pointless.

[Tre Styles]

I don't think Irish eyes are smiling right now. :mad: Neither are mine.

[jawbreaker]

I quote: Deadly Genesis #3 - *Somebody's dead. We'll give you a hint: he's a big Lucky Charms fan!*

jeez, you know its not just that they kill them off like useless vermin, but they promote it in this jokey "ha ha! we did it again" fashion... :mad:

[HellFrost]

There are 3 pple from Gen X left... who will be the next to be voted off...?

Paige (Limbo)
Monet
Emma Frost

I know I'm going to be bashed for this but I miss Gaia... and Emma's cute police/telepath boyfriend... what was his name?

[The Lucky One]

Y'see how when you post things like that, you ruin what other people had worked hard to talk about in spoiler tags, so it doesn't get spoiled for people who don't want to know? You did 3 things wrong, kid:

-Spoiled something for people who don't want to be spoiled;
-Left Jubilee off your list, so Ryan Kirk officially hates you; and
-Expressed an interest in Gaia.

3 strikes, yer out. Sorry, Charlie.

-D

[Citizen V]

I dont belive this..Generation X was perhaps the last great comic series of the 90`s.Now Marvel wants to erase this from existance?Where is Stan Lee and Chris Claremont?

[HellFrost]

Y'see how when you post things like that, you ruin what other people had worked hard to talk about in spoiler tags, so it doesn't get spoiled for people who don't want to know? You did 3 things wrong, kid:

-Spoiled something for people who don't want to be spoiled;
3 strikes, yer out. Sorry, Charlie.

-D
And how exactly did I do that. Jubilee doesn't have her powers, everyone knows that, and if they don't, then they're living under a rock. I love Jubilee too but they took away her powers... and quite frankly I'm not here to make or worry about other pple like me.

I'd like to know exactly how I spoiled something for eveyone that's been out for at least 2 months...?

[The Lucky One]

I'd like to know exactly how I spoiled something for eveyone that's been out for at least 2 months...?

I wasn't talking about Jubilee...
:rolleyes:

-D

[HellFrost]

I wasn't talking about Jubilee...
:rolleyes:

-D
Then what...?

[The Lucky One]

I dunno, uh... Banshee?

-D

[HellFrost]

I dunno, uh... Banshee?

-D
...a plane exploded in the last issue of Deadly Genesis... I don't think that a sound bubble can protect him from that... And besides that, he's not one of the 198 so I would have left him out either way...

[Sentinel K]

It also gives it away in th list of January x-titles at the back of certain books.

Issue 1 of Sentinal Squad O*N*E for example. I'm sure it's in some others aswell.

I quote: Deadly Genesis #3 - *Somebody's dead. We'll give you a hint: he's a big Lucky Charms fan!*

Even a moron could work out who they're talking about.

I quote myself.

It's already been spoiled.

[HellFrost]

I quote myself.

It's already been spoiled.
Thank you Sentinal. :)

[Faded]

Now that its settled everybody hug.

*hugs everybody and hands out Emma Frost, Longshot, and *SPOILER* dolls.*

[Sentinel K]

Thank you Sentinal. :)

You are quite welcome. ;)

[LoneWolf21]

A little dark humor, I saw someone post this at comicboards, and immediately thought of this thread.

http://www.comicboards.com/xmb/view.php?trd=060127161044

And the wacky text to go with it...

"Some are dead some are depowered only 5 remain, who will be the next to go?

Is it M? call 0800-4534
Is it Husk? call 0800-4535
Auntie Emma? call 0800-4538
Penance? 0800-4539
Leech? 0800-4532

The winner gets a trip to genosha and a meet and greet with Our Depowered Lord Magneto!"

[The Lucky One]

The winner gets a trip to genosha and a meet and greet with Our Depowered Lord Magneto!"

Gosh, was that perhaps posted by Gauntlet: Dark Rider?
:rolleyes:

-D

[LoneWolf21]

Gosh, was that perhaps posted by Gauntlet: Dark Rider?
:rolleyes:

-D

No, but someone who picks up on that humor.

[jawbreaker]

.....you guys seriously need a delete post option...

[Xany Kaos]

I miss Generation X...it was one of the first comics I actually wanted to read, and made something of an effort of to get (back when I was wee, and had no drivers license). I like the idea of keeping the main cast down to less than ten friggen characters, thankyouverymuchMarvel...

And really...I liked all the characters well enough. Everette suffered from a bit of a Leonardo-syndrome (or Cyclops-syndrome, depending on what you call it), but not so much. Skin I absolutely loved, and it tore me up when he died (actually made me start buying Uncanny on a regular basis because I was sure he wasn't really dead and that they'd find some freakin' way of bringin' him back...but he's just not cool enough for that. *sigh* Phoenix-the-tiresome can come back umpty-ump times, but Skin...gone the way of Squidboy....)

As to the whole ages and continuity thing...entirely too much a big deal is made out of ages and continuity in comics. If Batman can be fighting crime after this long... Or hell, according to House of M, Magneto took over some time in the 70's...did any of the Red Guard (excluding Wolvie and Mystique, who don't count) look like they were in their mid-late 50's? Not so much, my friends.

Continuity will never work. What did work was a nice fun comic about teenagers with powers learning to be responsible and dealing with normal teenage angst and issues and whatnot--basically, the premisis of the old X-men. I haven't found that magic formula in any of the current titles...probably because even the ones that focus on student teams have way too many characters, and get a lot of outside drama from "OMG, where is Xavier!" and so on. GenX had it's own drama--it didn't need much more.

It was a fun series. Even if it had to end, I rather wish the characters were still around, and still well-written (poor Paige...she's nothing but a bunny these days...)

[Faded]

PAD handling M should turn around the Gen X-ers luck. :D
I hope her fanbase is increasing.

[Tre Styles]

PAD handling M should turn around the Gen X-ers luck. :D
I hope her fanbase is increasing.

One could only hope.... ;)

[Syzygy]

Generation-X #1-25 is all classic!! every single moment in there is memorable, all the laughs and mysteries and cries and friendships and hardships... This is the new blood of the Marvel U, but how the later writers spill it irresponsibly!

Generation-X was never that good again. Except with Brian Wood, for 8 issues, 67-74. The joo issue and the M and Jubillee issues, nailed to the spot, perfect understanding of waht makes characters mtick. Thanks Bri,and thanks Scot and Chris!!

IMO, this is absolutely correct. 1-25 and 67-74 were great. I also liked the closing issue, #75.

Scott Lobdell apparently didn't have a plan for them, which is typical of him. He also introduced the Upstarts plotline, which also had great potential, but also fizzled out.

Peace,
Syzygy

[Zombienorthstar]

Wow your conspiracy idea makes even more sense now though

banshee-dead

Emma Frost- covert agent

Chamber- living dead

Skin-dead

Synch-dead

Jubilee-depowered

Leech- Concentration camp survivor

Artie- depowered.

Only Husk and M are doing okay

[Tre Styles]

Wow your conspiracy idea makes even more sense now though

banshee-dead

Emma Frost- covert agent

Chamber- living dead

Skin-dead

Synch-dead

Jubilee-depowered

Leech- Concentration camp survivor

Artie- depowered.

Only Husk and M are doing okay


Told ya! I guess as they say....seeing is believing. And what about poor Gaia? Everyone always forgets her...lol...;) Oh and don't forget Mondo, he's dead too. Husk and M are safe...for now.

[MIMIC616]

I just hope by the time the ALL-NEW OFFICIAL HANDBOOK OF THE MARVEL UNIVERSE A TO Z comes out.

The entry for Penance will be she is a deaf/mute mutant with razor sharp skin, and a secondary power to become a living host to others.

Or the other X-MEN ENCYCLOPEDIA version where they state that she is a vessel of magic.

I just would like a proper answer, for my favorite Gen-X character.
Who may or may not be depowered from Decimation. :(

[HellFrost]

I just hope by the time the ALL-NEW OFFICIAL HANDBOOK OF THE MARVEL UNIVERSE A TO Z comes out.

The entry for Penance will be she is a deaf/mute mutant with razor sharp skin, and a secondary power to become a living host to others.

Or the other X-MEN ENCYCLOPEDIA version where they state that she is a vessel of magic.

I just would like a proper answer, for my favorite Gen-X character.
Who may or may not be depowered from Decimation. :(
Aww. I don't think she's deaf though. Mute yes but that's what makes her mysterious. Technically she should be made out of magic since that is what originally created the form. I don't think she can be depowered... but if she is, they might explain that she just stop existing because of it.

I love her too.

And hey, Gaia was one of my favortie characters...(no I don't know why)... I really wish she would come back. Although I have a feeling that if anyone is depowered... it's her...:(

[Faded]

I just hope by the time the ALL-NEW OFFICIAL HANDBOOK OF THE MARVEL UNIVERSE A TO Z comes out.

The entry for Penance will be she is a deaf/mute mutant with razor sharp skin, and a secondary power to become a living host to others.

Or the other X-MEN ENCYCLOPEDIA version where they state that she is a vessel of magic.

I just would like a proper answer, for my favorite Gen-X character.
Who may or may not be depowered from Decimation. :(

I love it. :(

But no magic. ;)

[Haunt]

I just hope by the time the ALL-NEW OFFICIAL HANDBOOK OF THE MARVEL UNIVERSE A TO Z comes out.

The entry for Penance will be she is a deaf/mute mutant with razor sharp skin, and a secondary power to become a living host to others.

Or the other X-MEN ENCYCLOPEDIA version where they state that she is a vessel of magic.

I just would like a proper answer, for my favorite Gen-X character.
Who may or may not be depowered from Decimation. :(


i'd rather they just use her original origin (mutant kidnapped by Emplate & used as food) and blame the rest of that crap on Wanda.

[Tre Styles]

Yeah, a Wanda woogie could work, and bring back Angelo and Everett at the same time.


*this thread was bumped for my man Kaos*

[Kaos]

thank you, thank you..just read through it all
and I'd like to say...damn you quesada.

[That JonoGuy]

And hey, Gaia was one of my favortie characters...(no I don't know why)... I really wish she would come back. Although I have a feeling that if anyone is depowered... it's her...:(

OMG I wasn't the only one. Even though the way she was brought into the series wasn't very good, I always thought Gaia had a lot of potential as a character. I thought it was such a shame to see her being wasted and discarded. I doubt we'll ever see her again though. :(

[blinkinrogue]

hey i absolutely loved the "original" penance too, a girl with a really cool and unique power who had tremendous potential.... ahhh... then somebody came along and totally ruined her and M....

[Jackob]

i bet Jubilee dies in wolvierine origins

[Kaos]

don't say things like that

[Nstar83]

Changes (Generation -X)) get wiped away in time to return to the nostalgic status qou.Now there is always room for alittle betterment an advanccement in human nature,thus some ideas that really work with a drastic change do get kept an assimilated into the back round to add flavor that works((certain still alive characters of Gen-X)).If Gen -X was still alive an the replacement for what we have now the X-franchaise would be dead sadly. give it a few more decades thou then see

[Kaos]

that made absolutely no sense, and theres like 3 members of gen x still alive.....that's just stupid

[Slung]

Aww. I don't think she's deaf though. Mute yes but that's what makes her mysterious. Technically she should be made out of magic since that is what originally created the form. I don't think she can be depowered... but if she is, they might explain that she just stop existing because of it.

Penance's original character before Hama "revealed" her "true" identity was that she was a deaf Yugoslavian mutant who had been held by Emplate for many years. And, is she really made out of magic? Or is that story just smoke and mirrors the M twins created to hide their true nature...Thats what I believe anyway. Oh, and that Penance never was Monet. It was a lie created by the M twins. I know, I know - its a fantasy. But its a nice fantasy.

[Kaos]

my fantasy normally involves jubilee an M naked flinging ice cream at each other.........or is that just me

[CE_Rap]

my fantasy normally involves jubilee an M naked flinging ice cream at each other.........or is that just me

WHO TOLD U MY DREAM?!?!?!?! I'LL KILL DA MUTHASUCKA!!

[Tobias March]

I've said it before in this thread, but it is a sad thing that the writers felt they had to remove all the characters from the X-universe so drastically. They joke about (this is Quesada I'm thinking of) how embarassing the 90's were and all, but to slaughter wholesale creations for the sake of returning to a 'better time', represented by classic Claremount creations...(see Astonishing X-Men and the graduation of Cannonball to the X-Men).

Lobdell actually did a good job with the Gen X chars, it was the writers after him who screwed the pooch. I found the title literally unreadable until just before the end. What Marvel don't seem to realize is that as much as they're trying to retain the readers who grew up with the X-Men (wha?) or those that grew up with the New Mutants, is that there were adolescents reading Generation X who identified with the characters. Appealing to a sense of nostalgia felt by a potential audience in their 30's/40's seems absurd. But then comics are in a desperate situation.

[jawbreaker]

things may be looking better...

we are supposed to get a Penance story(finally) in an issue of the upcoming Loners series...

Husk will be revisited in Carey's X-Men(according to the writer himself)

Jubilee is supposed to be back in the limelight in a new project accorrding to Joe Q

Tieri says Chamber's story will be followed up again eventually


sounds promising, but of course everything above could just end up in more deaths, awful reimaginings or out of character behavior. Only time will tell...

[Faded]

things may be looking better...

we are supposed to get a Penance story(finally) in an issue of the upcoming Loners series...

Husk will be revisited in Carey's X-Men(according to the writer himself)

Jubilee is supposed to be back in the limelight in a new project accorrding to Joe Q

Tieri says Chamber's story will be followed up again eventually


sounds promising, but of course everything above could just end up in more deaths, awful reimaginings or out of character behavior. Only time will tell...

I am not looking forward at all to Tieri is going to do with Chamber unless he is going to do away with what he started.

I'm going from irate to apathy and if he is screwed up further he might as well join Angelo Torres.

I'm looking forward to Penance's story addressed in Loners, though that has the potential for some problems. I hope the story of her being a Yugoslavian mutant is used.

I hope Carey will do good things with Husk. I used to like her a lot, but this is one of the rare occasions where someone can make me dislike a favorite character.

Sorry for the pessimism. :( At least we have M, right?

[Tobias March]

I'm looking forward to Penance's story addressed in Loners, though that has the potential for some problems. I hope the story of her being a Yugoslavian mutant is used.


It's BKV writing that right? He likes to get his teeth sunk into meaty issues. I'm sure he will explore that in an imaginative fashion.

[That JonoGuy]

It's BKV writing that right? He likes to get his teeth sunk into meaty issues. I'm sure he will explore that in an imaginative fashion.

C.B. Cebulski is actually writing it.

[Kaos]

WHO TOLD U MY DREAM?!?!?!?! I'LL KILL DA MUTHASUCKA!!

perverted minds think alike, bro...I mean great minds....great minds.

[jawbreaker]

I am not looking forward at all to Tieri is going to do with Chamber unless he is going to do away with what he started.
I just want him to wrap it up so we can all move on...we dont even know what his actual powers are yet...and if they are going to keep the Apoc Clown Posse look, at least give him a decent new outfit to wear. I think the best thing he could have that wouldnt clash too much is a dark cloak with a hood...he's still gonna want to keep his face covered but not go back to bandages/mask...


I'm looking forward to Penance's story addressed in Loners, though that has the potential for some problems. I hope the story of her being a Yugoslavian mutant is used.
Im looking forward to it too, & Im curious as to how exactly CB's going to pull this off. Is it just Penny with the Loners or will there be other Gen xers involved? Id have to imagine that at least M would have to be in this as Penny was still portrayed as slighty autistic last time she was seen...

I hope Carey will do good things with Husk. I used to like her a lot, but this is one of the rare occasions where someone can make me dislike a favorite character.
my biggest question I want answered- is she still with Warren or not?

At least we have M, right?
its funny that even with her undesirable backstory she ends up the most successful Gen Xer at the moment...

[Tre Styles]

More conspiracy fodder:

Angelo and Everett weren't mentioned at the Memorial Service in New X-Men #32, even though every other X-Man or student mutant of Xavier's was. Why is that?:confused:

[xakko]

More conspiracy fodder:

Angelo and Everett weren't mentioned at the Memorial Service in New X-Men #32, even though every other X-Man or student mutant of Xavier's was. Why is that?:confused:
was Rusty Collins, who was X-Factor's first student?

'course, he died an Acolyte, but still...

[Steven F.]

was Rusty Collins, who was X-Factor's first student?

'course, he died an Acolyte, but still...


No, Rusty was not mentioned either. Nor was Sharon Friedlander and Sunder, which were Muir Island X-Men, Sharon worked with the New Mutants as the school nurse. To go along with Angelo and Everett. By no means was every x-related deceased character mentioned.

[Tre Styles]

No, Rusty was not mentioned either. Nor was Sharon Friedlander and Sunder, which were Muir Island X-Men, Sharon worked with the New Mutants as the school nurse. To go along with Angelo and Everett. By no means was every x-related deceased character mentioned.


Rusty should've been mentioned. But he's gotten the shaft ...for....well since he came into exsistence basically. Sharon Friedlander was she a mutant? A student? No, but that doesn't mean she shouldn't have been mentioned. Sunder? Who? The point is that I consider Angelo and Everett a little more modern, a little more closer to the time, and a little more "important" than Sharon or Sunder *who?* and should've recieved a mention....along with Rusty Collins.

[Zombienorthstar]

I though it was people who'd died while being either students or X-Men...therby disqualifying Rusty. However i'll agree regarding Sharon and Sunder.

[dazzler_slave]

I am not looking forward at all to Tieri is going to do with Chamber unless he is going to do away with what he started.

I'm going from irate to apathy and if he is screwed up further he might as well join Angelo Torres.

I'm looking forward to Penance's story addressed in Loners, though that has the potential for some problems. I hope the story of her being a Yugoslavian mutant is used.

I hope Carey will do good things with Husk. I used to like her a lot, but this is one of the rare occasions where someone can make me dislike a favorite character.

Sorry for the pessimism. :( At least we have M, right?
I agree with a lot of what you are saying. Tieri WILL mess up Chamber as he messes up everything he writes.

Penance should be intersting. I'm hoping she is fleshed out a bit more than she has been. I also wouldn't mind to see her going back to being Yvette.

I have faith in Carey. He will do right by Husk, I'm sure of it. It will all work out.

While I will always be pissed that Synch and Skin are dead, at least there is hope for most of the other members. Maybe Joey Q is waking up and realizing that there are a lot of us Gen X fans out there.

[Kaos]

could just...maybe..bring em back....please

[CE_Rap]

anyone out there....gimme some specifics on this supposed "Jubilee" thing goin' on. I know there was a thread a while back, but since i can't find it, and since she's a Gen-Xr, wutt are the details??

[Tre Styles]

*ahem* bump bump bump

The Jubilee thing is a rumor, but I'm thinking it has something to do with an X-Men Annual or something like that.
oh and I think Rejex is GREAT, CE_Rap!

[Faded]

Hopefully Penance will tip the scale for us Gen X fans. Apparently her new codename will be Hollow and she should be getting a decent amount of focus!

Yay!

[Kaos]

Hopefully Penance will tip the scale for us Gen X fans. Apparently her name codename will be Hollow and she should be getting a decent amount of focus!

Yay!

That's cool...but she's no Synch.lol. But that sounds cool.

[Tobias March]

That's cool...but she's no Synch.lol. But that sounds cool.

I trust BKV to do something interesting. You can imagine his brain ticking over at the concept :D

[Faded]

BKV isn't writing though, sadly. C.B. Cebuleski(sp?) is; I'm not too familiar with his work.

[Tobias March]

BKV isn't writing though, sadly. C.B. Cebuleski(sp?) is; I'm not too familiar with his work.

Feck. I forgot that - I still have that team associated with BKV in my head, sorry.

[blinkinrogue]

HOLLOW???? does this mean she wouldnt have the super sharp skin any more??? that power of hers was kinda unique, you dont get to see that often...

[Zombienorthstar]

HOLLOW???? does this mean she wouldnt have the super sharp skin any more??? that power of hers was kinda unique, you dont get to see that often...

I'm guessing Hollow is actually a reference to the fact she has no one inside her. When M and then later the M twins were removed from her everyone expected her to be an empty shell yet an animalistic presence remained.

I'm guessing Hollow is a reference to the fact there's no mind in her anymore.

[Kalen O.]

Huh, its weird since the solicitation also referred to Penance by name, and as a former Gen-Xer...it kinda made it sound like she was in the book, and then Hollow was a separate person, also a Gen-Xer. I'll have to go read it again, but I was assuming that Hollow was Jubilee, and was maybe a reference to her depowered status.

And personally, given the premise of the book, Jubilee makes more sense as a cast member than Penance does, IMO, harkening back all the way to her sidekick days at Wolverine's side.

[blinkinrogue]

i just hope she keeps the sharp skin... wait, i know its confusing, but is she technically a mutant after the whole M-St. Croix twins fiasco???

[Flight]

They can't use Penance cause someone is using that name in Thunderbolts now.

[The Fury]

They can't use Penance cause someone is using that name in Thunderbolts now.

Marvel had 2 Novas at the same time once.

[Kalen O.]

True. Huh, didnt even think of that as a reason for the name change.

[Faded]

i just hope she keeps the sharp skin... wait, i know its confusing, but is she technically a mutant after the whole M-St. Croix twins fiasco???

That's to be determined, I think. Last I heard she's a mutant, but its also been said she's just some magical sumthin'.

Feck. I forgot that - I still have that team associated with BKV in my head, sorry.

It'll take some adjusting for all of us. :(

[blinkinrogue]

penance and M were my favorite characters from Gen X, sadly, while M was relatively unharmed from Marvel, freaking penny had been dragged through mud, stomped on, and thrown in limbo.... Grrrrr good thing they decided not to kill her.... YET.....:mad:

[Faded]

penance and M were my favorite characters from Gen X, sadly, while M was relatively unharmed from Marvel, freaking penny had been dragged through mud, stomped on, and thrown in limbo.... Grrrrr good thing they decided not to kill her.... YET.....:mad:

They were my favorite characters of the series as well, but a big fiasco resulted from their twisted origins. I can see why they'd be stuck in limbo. The good thing is we have M in a critically-acclaimed ongoing series and Penance is getting her story (hopefully) pushed forward in Loners.

So remember, pick up Loners.

That's Loners. Don't forget! ;) Maybe she can get an ongoing home if sales are good enough.

[blinkinrogue]

as soon as i find out she still has the razor-sharp skin, i wont hesitate to give it a try.... BUT if its a "different" character, i'd think twice... :)

[Kaos]

They were my favorite characters of the series as well, but a big fiasco resulted from their twisted origins. I can see why they'd be stuck in limbo. The good thing is we have M in a critically-acclaimed ongoing series and Penance is getting her story (hopefully) pushed forward in Loners.

So remember, pick up Loners.

That's Loners. Don't forget! ;) Maybe she can get an ongoing home if sales are good enough.

If Penance gets an ongoing before Skin and Synch are brought back, and Chamber loses the mini Apocalypse crap I'm a be VERY unhappy.

[blinkinrogue]

hey they could be guest stars in her ongoing hehe, ang throw M in there too for a couple of appearances....

[Kaos]

hey they could be guest stars in her ongoing hehe, ang throw M in there too for a couple of appearances....

lol.

Hell, make it Generation X

:P

[blinkinrogue]

No, penance guest-starring generation x and some dead people.... ooops.... hehe.... I like synch too .... :D

[Kaos]

No, penance guest-starring generation x and some dead people.... ooops.... hehe.... I like synch too .... :D

.....:evilangry

You wait, Synch will be back.......

one day


once I bribe someone.

[blinkinrogue]

honestly, i only thought they killed Synch as a last effort to increase sales, which i think somehow backfired... i mean how many super-nice gentlemen with cool powers do u see in comics nowadays????

[Kaos]

honestly, i only thought they killed Synch as a last effort to increase sales, which i think somehow backfired... i mean how many super-nice gentlemen with cool powers do u see in comics nowadays????

Spiderman??


...that's all I got.

Super nice, cool, gentlemen with cool powers...only Synch.

[Adset]

I read all of Lobdell's run, and some of the James Robinson issues...

It started off well enough, and IMO it hit a really great groove from #17-25 (when Bachelo returned from a small exile) -- I used to be an active poster here back then, and the majority of us agreed it was the best X-title going at the time. The Onslaught tie-ins were fan-freaking-tastic (possibly the best thing about that entire crossover), and the fallout from it -- Jono and Skin on a cross-country trip home where they met Howard the Duck, the growing potential of Jubilee and Synch (it was hinted, at the time, that they would one day be the two most powerful mutants on Earth), the M revelations, the Nightmare Halloween issue -- was pretty cool

Operation: Zero Tolerance killed most of the momentum the series had, and Lobdell jumping ship didn't help, either

Good series. Great at times, a dud at others. Took awhile to find itself, but the payoff was pretty good until the original creator's left. Didn't hear many good reviews after I stopped reading

[blinkinrogue]

yep, gen x lost steam eventually...

oh well, i saw the cover of loners #3 in teh solicits and i dont anybody on that cover.... uh oh, i saw the word guest-starring... hmmmmm..... not good......

[The Lucky One]

Didn't hear many good reviews after I stopped reading

Jay Faerber's run was actually quite good... he had a really good handle on the kids' personalities and what made them kids, and the Dodsons ruled on art. After him came the Counter-X thing, though.

-D

[Kaos]

Jay Faerber's run was actually quite good... he had a really good handle on the kids' personalities and what made them kids, and the Dodsons ruled on art. After him came the Counter-X thing, though.

-D

Yeah the Dodsons did a sick Gen X

[Syzygy]

They were my favorite characters of the series as well, but a big fiasco resulted from their twisted origins. I can see why they'd be stuck in limbo. The good thing is we have M in a critically-acclaimed ongoing series and Penance is getting her story (hopefully) pushed forward in Loners.

So remember, pick up Loners.

That's Loners. Don't forget! ;) Maybe she can get an ongoing home if sales are good enough.

Are you sure this is the Gen X Penance and not Speedball's new incarnation?

It seems unlikely Marvel would want two characters running around at the same time with the same name.

Peace,
Syzygy

[The Lucky One]

Are you sure this is the Gen X Penance and not Speedball's new incarnation?

It seems unlikely Marvel would want two characters running around at the same time with the same name.

That's why they're changing Penny's name. ;) Until the day the Good Lord has mercy on us all and Speedball is no longer going by that name, she'll be known as... what was it, "Hollow" or something?

-D

[streator]

That's why they're changing Penny's name. ;) Until the day the Good Lord has mercy on us all and Speedball is no longer going by that name, she'll be known as... what was it, "Hollow" or something?

-D

hollow is correct.

i guess maybe there's still no one inside of the penance shell? wouldn't have much of a story to tell, though.

[ExtraEpidermis]

Yeah the Dodsons did a sick Gen X

I second that, or is it third, whatever. I agree!

[Faded]

yep, gen x lost steam eventually...

oh well, i saw the cover of loners #3 in teh solicits and i dont anybody on that cover.... uh oh, i saw the word guest-starring... hmmmmm..... not good......

Seeing how as Loners is only a mini for now, an issue revolving around her would be generous (which is also why you guys need to support it!). Its too soon to call the full capacity she'll be in after issue 3.

[Flameworthy]

Seeing how as Loners is only a mini for now, an issue revolving around her would be generous (which is also why you guys need to support it!). Its too soon to call the full capacity she'll be in after issue 3.

I'm definitely buying it for Ricochet! Penance.... I mean Hollow is just a bonus. Somehow Hollow just doesn't sound as cool as Penance.

[Vegetarian Goat]

For a minute, I'd forgotten all about Pen-Ball. When they said "Hollow", i was thinking of Chamber. But then I remembered..

[Mariah]

I'm buying the Loners for Lightspeed, because Power Pack almost pwned Generation X, but Gen X was to fabulous to be pwned, so they were equals.

We should all sport Gen. X avatars and have a remember the kids from Gen. X week or something.

[Faded]

I'm definitely buying it for Ricochet! Penance.... I mean Hollow is just a bonus. Somehow Hollow just doesn't sound as cool as Penance.

Y'know, I'm not particularly into anyone other than Penny, but the concept alone (and the genius cover art) is just pulling me in. I liked the Loners members mostly from their arc in Runaways.

Yeah, Hollow isn't as cool, but at least it keeps up with the symbolism of the character. Penance just seems more edgier though. Thieving scoundrels!

[Adset]

I'm a tad short on time today and I've only read the first two pages of this thread, so my apologies if this was discussed already...

How 'bout that Gen X movie? Combine that with Nick Fury? Marvel OWNED made for TV flicks in the mid 90s

[MIMIC616]

Hollow. It was a nice ring to it. However I keep thinking about the Hollows in Bleach, when I hear the name.

I'm picking up two copies of Loners in hopes it gets picked up for an on-going.

GO Hollow!

[Zombienorthstar]

i just hope she keeps the sharp skin... wait, i know its confusing, but is she technically a mutant after the whole M-St. Croix twins fiasco???

Only Emplate really knows.

[Kaos]

I'm buying the Loners for Lightspeed, because Power Pack almost pwned Generation X, but Gen X was to fabulous to be pwned, so they were equals.

Meh. I'd say Gen X were better.

We should all sport Gen. X avatars and have a remember the kids from Gen. X week or something.

Sounds like an idea

[blinkinrogue]

I'm buying the Loners for Lightspeed, because Power Pack almost pwned Generation X, but Gen X was to fabulous to be pwned, so they were equals.

We should all sport Gen. X avatars and have a remember the kids from Gen. X week or something.


GO FOR IT MARIAH hehehehehe
oh, and dont forget to nominate M as the most fabulous for the month :D

[Mariah]

Meh. I'd say Gen X were better.



Sounds like an idea
Don't f@#$% with the kids from the Pack.
GO FOR IT MARIAH hehehehehe
oh, and dont forget to nominate M as the most fabulous for the month :D
I think I will. After Acolyte's month, I'll have my most fab. mutant, and it'll be all the kids from Gen. X.

[Kaos]

Don't f@#$% with the kids from the Pack.


Or what?

GEN X FOREVER

PACK NEVER

:P

I am joking, I like the pack....but they ain Gen X.

[blinkinrogue]

thanks, cant wait...
not to b**slap Jubilee and Husk fans, but they are no competition for M in the fabulous department.... :p , of course that is just a fanboy's opinion.... here's to Scott Lobdell-C. Bachalo's GEN X :)

[Mariah]

thanks, cant wait...
not to b**slap Jubilee and Husk fans, but they are no competition for M in the fabulous department.... :p , of course that is just a fanboy's opinion.... here's to Scott Lobdell-C. Bachalo's GEN X :)
It's soo true. Gen. X 1-6 was like the stuff! 7-16, while good, just wasn't as great as the Bachalo stuff, but once Chris came back on with 17 it was freaking awesome til he left the book.

[blinkinrogue]

i just couldnt get enough of the M-Emma banter, i also enjoyed that scrabble game between husk and skin, the M-Jubilee tussle (poor Jubes, she never had much of a chance), the awesomeness that was penance, husk being too eager to learn and everything, ahhhhh.... the good ol days...

[The M.E.]

Maybe it's me, but i don't think Gen X is any more limbo-prone than any other defunct team. I mean look at the new mutants, there are several not doing anything or dead. Same thing with excalibur, x-force, and even the x-men. Emma and M are major players right now, and I feel pretty certain that Jubilee, Chamber, Penance, and Husk will be very soon. At least I'm hoping :)

[blinkinrogue]

melikes your dream xmen team ME.... :)

[The M.E.]

melikes your dream xmen team ME.... :)

why thank you! :)

[Kaos]

i just couldnt get enough of the M-Emma banter, i also enjoyed that scrabble game between husk and skin, the M-Jubilee tussle (poor Jubes, she never had much of a chance), the awesomeness that was penance, husk being too eager to learn and everything, ahhhhh.... the good ol days...

the Synch M romance was also awesome.

[The Lucky One]

Maybe it's me, but i don't think Gen X is any more limbo-prone than any other defunct team. I mean look at the new mutants, there are several not doing anything or dead.

True... but if you count X-Force (since it was just a continuation of the New Mutants with most of the same characters), they also held a title for over 200 issues and a dozen some annuals, versus Gen X's 75. And it's telling that all of the New Mutants died in their own book as part of ongoing storylines (except the fake Illyana, who doesn't really count because she'd already been deaged), while Skin died as an arbitrary sacrificial lamb in an X-Men story.

And that's not a slam on Gen X; it's simply (as we've discussed before on this board) inherent in the shifting nature of comic book time. Marvel brings in a new class of mutants once a decade, without fail, dating back to the original team. But since 10 of our years is only 2.5 Marvel years and the characters can only age so much, you'll always have the X-Men (original and All-New) be primarily mid to late 20s, with a few early 30s. Which makes the next class (the New Mutants/X-Force) the young adults, college age or just a bit older. Fine so far, and that worked when Generation X were the high schoolers... but now the New X-Men fill that role, and the New Mutants can't vacate the just-after-college age slot because there's nowhere for them to move to (plus they tend to be a bit more popular than the Gen X crowd... no offense meant, I just think that's objectively the case), which leaves Gen X to slip through the cracks.

But it's true that, with Sunspot, Magma, Dani, and Karma all now out of the spotlight for the last couple of years, the New Mutants have a publishing presence much more similar to Generation X than it had been until recently.

-D

[Slung]

Yeah the Dodsons did a sick Gen X

Meh, Never a GenX Dodson fan. I like Terry on other things, but his characters were too...round with fat noses for GenX. And Faerber was "eh" with his human Mary Sue boy.

Gen X was good 1-6 (and GenNext) and 17-25. It was okay 7-16, but I thought Grummet's art was Snooze-ville (I actually liked the Cruz fill-ins infinitely better). The Robinson issues were okay, but Hama really jumped the kids over the shark. He almost tanked one of the most popular books in just few issues: boozing Pooka's, M-Plate (shudder), MarySue Gaia and that terrible Penance and Monet retcons - which pretty much destroyed both characters - regardless of how cool PAD's Monet is, she is not the real Monet, Larry Hama killed her.

[blinkinrogue]

Meh, Never a GenX Dodson fan. I like Terry on other things, but his characters were too...round with fat noses for GenX. And Faerber was "eh" with his human Mary Sue boy.

Gen X was good 1-6 (and GenNext) and 17-25. It was okay 7-16, but I thought Grummet's art was Snooze-ville (I actually liked the Cruz fill-ins infinitely better). The Robinson issues were okay, but Hama really jumped the kids over the shark. He almost tanked one of the most popular books in just few issues: boozing Pooka's, M-Plate (shudder), MarySue Gaia and that terrible Penance and Monet retcons - which pretty much destroyed both characters - regardless of how cool PAD's Monet is, she is not the real Monet, Larry Hama killed her.

I agree 250%..............

[The M.E.]

True... but if you count X-Force (since it was just a continuation of the New Mutants with most of the same characters), they also held a title for over 200 issues and a dozen some annuals, versus Gen X's 75. And it's telling that all of the New Mutants died in their own book as part of ongoing storylines (except the fake Illyana, who doesn't really count because she'd already been deaged), while Skin died as an arbitrary sacrificial lamb in an X-Men story.


-D

that's true, and i hadn't thought about that. :) at least the new mutants deaths were in the comic and related to the stories being told by the writers. i guess i can see the point about gen x characters being written a little as "sacrificial lambs" for other comics and stories, but i still think that's true of most defunct teams.

[jawbreaker]

Im glad that Skottie Young is a big fan of Gen X. Marvel seems to like him a lot & hopefully he'll convince Joe to give him a try at them in a project someday. If anyone could get the remaining kids back together in something special it could be Skottie. Its a good thing i like his art...he's not for everyone's tastes, but I think the Gen X characters would fit well with his style(Chamber would have to go back to his old look though.)

[The Sword Is Drawn]

Im glad that Skottie Young is a big fan of Gen X. Marvel seems to like him a lot & hopefully he'll convince Joe to give him a try at them in a project someday. If anyone could get the remaining kids back together in something special it could be Skottie. Its a good thing i like his art...he's not for everyone's tastes, but I think the Gen X characters would fit well with his style(Chamber would have to go back to his old look though.)

Chamber should never have changed so radically FROM his old look.

[jawbreaker]

^ I agree with you 100%

Id still like to know if the Poccy jr look was Editorial's idea or Tieri's...but I bet we'll never get a straight answer...

what scares me is if this new NW relaunch becomes successful, we'll be stuck with this look for a long long time. :(

[The Sword Is Drawn]

^ I agree with you 100%

Id still like to know if the Poccy jr look was Editorial's idea or Tieri's...but I bet we'll never get a straight answer...

what scares me is if this new NW relaunch becomes successful, we'll be stuck with this look for a long long time. :(

I'm pretty sure that Tieri has said it was the only way editorial would let him re-power Jono. Still gutted that he didn't stick around on New Excalibur, and that Tieri simply used the book for his own end and shiffled him of into limbo again... saddening.

You might get an answer off him via his forum over at comixfan. But be carefull how you phrase your question. When I posted contempt for the way he writes Jono's accent my intended light-hearted comment about him 'not lasting long in the UK if he went around talking like that,' got taken in completely the wrong context by Tieri who replied to the thread in question threatening to get me banned.

I have appologized, but I won't be doing that again in a hurry... :D He does seem very sensitive over criticism over his handling of Chamber. So don't go in all guns blazing.

[Kaos]

I'm pretty sure that Tieri has said it was the only way editorial would let him re-power Jono. Still gutted that he didn't stick around on New Excalibur, and that Tieri simply used the book for his own end and shiffled him of into limbo again... saddening.

You might get an answer off him via his forum over at comixfan. But be carefull how you phrase your question. When I posted contempt for the way he writes Jono's accent my intended light-hearted comment about him 'not lasting long in the UK if he went around talking like that,' got taken in completely the wrong context by Tieri who replied to the thread in question threatening to get me banned.

I have appologized, but I won't be doing that again in a hurry... :D

How was he talking?

[The Sword Is Drawn]

How was he talking?

Who? Chamber or Tieri?

[Kaos]

Who? Chamber or Tieri?

both.....10

[The Sword Is Drawn]

both.....10

I criticised the occasional Dick Van Dyke-ism but I think he still remembered me from the couple of bits of dialogue I pointed out didn't sound right from his New Excalibur tenure, I posted in a review thread over there. He responded to that too.

[Kaos]

I criticised the occasional Dick Van Dyke-ism but I think he still remembered me from the couple of bits of dialogue I pointed out didn't sound right from his New Excalibur tenure, I posted in a review thread over there. He responded to that too.

What Chamber sounded like Dick Van Dyke in Poppins? *shudders*

God I just died a little inside.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

What Chamber sounded like Dick Van Dyke in Poppins? *shudders*

God I just died a little inside.

Mate, he's always sounded a little Dick Van Dyke... :D

[Kaos]

Mate, he's always sounded a little Dick Van Dyke... :D

True...but I ain ready it for time. I can only remember him saying bloody and mate a lot...and I'm damn sure DIck Van Dyke didn't say bloody.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

True...but I ain ready it for time. I can only remember him saying bloody and mate a lot...and I'm damn sure DIck Van Dyke didn't say bloody.

Disney would never have allowed... :D

It would have been 'Ruddy' instead.

[Kaos]

Disney would never have allowed... :D

It would have been 'Ruddy' instead.

yeah..probably

ruddy disney

I mean...bloody disney

[jawbreaker]

LOL!
Sword, I know about the whole thing with Frank, Im Shame Bear over at Comixfan. Honestly, I didnt take your comment about him "speaking the way he writes Jono's dialogue & he wont last long" as a negative threat, I thought you meant he wouldnt last over there cuz no one would understand what he was saying or just think he was a little kooky. And you even used a smilie implying it was all in jest. But I guess Frank didnt read it that way. :( But Im sorry that i didnt step in to defend you, the mods were circling & you apologized & I thought it best to just stay out of it...
that and earlier in the very same Chamber thread I almost blew it with Ann with my little Claremont riff on why he probably hates Jono. :o

btw, what voice do you hear in your head when you read Chamber's lines. It varies for me but lately I always think of Murdoc from the Gorillaz, but maybe not so deep. :o

[The Sword Is Drawn]

LOL!
Sword, I know about the whole thing with Frank, Im Shame Bear over at Comixfan.

Ah, hello again.

Honestly, I didnt take your comment about him "speaking the way he writes Jono's dialogue & he wont last long" as a negative threat, I thought you meant he wouldnt last over there cuz no one would understand what he was saying or just think he was a little kooky. And you even used a smilie implying it was all in jest. But I guess Frank didnt read it that way. :(

Apparently not. But he's received a lot of stick over Chamber since his reinvention attempt, and also his New Excalibur run in general. I can understand why he might not be ver receptive to the comment, and take it the wrong way.

Let me go officially on the record as saying that in no way, or at any time, do I actually intend Frank Tieri any harm. No malice was meant at all. :D

But Im sorry that i didnt step in to defend you, the mods were circling & you apologized & I thought it best to just stay out of it...

In a situation like that, mate, it was the right thing to do. At that point the whole thing needed to be dropped, there and then. I apologised for any offense taken and am glad it was left alone by other posters.

that and earlier in the very same Chamber thread I almost blew it with Ann with my little Claremont riff on why he probably hates Jono. :o

btw, what voice do you hear in your head when you read Chamber's lines. It varies for me but lately I always think of Murdoc from the Gorillaz, but maybe not so deep. :o

Ha ha! Now that's the question...

When he was first introduced, purely on look, I kinda heard Robert Smith, from British 80s Goth band The Cure. True, Robert isn't actually a Londoner himself, but his accent does kind of ring mostly true.

Hasn't work so well in recent incarnations of Jono, but a lot has changed there...

[xarathos]

I thought this thread was going to be about 'GenX' the original title of 'Gen 13'. Marvel made them change it for obvious reasons. And they were green in the early advertisements. I kid you not.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

I thought this thread was going to be about 'GenX' the original title of 'Gen 13'. Marvel made them change it for obvious reasons. And they were green in the early advertisements. I kid you not.

I did not know that. I seem to recall a Generation X/Gen13 crossover in the 90s. Wonder if thast was part of some legal deal or something?:confused:

[jawbreaker]

^ what I read was that Marvel sued cuz they claim they thought up the Gen X title first... in a way i think them winning claim to the title backfired on them a bit, sure Generation X was a cool title at the time, cuz it was such a buzzword back then, but if you call anything "Generation X" nowadays it makes people think of a certain age group and a certain period of time in the 90's, it now sounds dated... If they were called Gen 13 or even something else maybe it would be easier to market them today.

Sword, I never heard Robert Smith speak, just sing. But Jono definitely looked like him enough in early Gen X...I miss that crazy hair look...:cool:

[The Sword Is Drawn]

Sword, I never heard Robert Smith speak, just sing. But Jono definitely looked like him enough in early Gen X...I miss that crazy hair look...:cool:

Aye. Me too.

If you ever need a Robert Smith voice reference there was that episode of South Park - with Mecha-Streisand - which Robert voiced. All be it with a not of sarcasm:rolleyes:

[Tre Styles]

Mariah,

It's time to start the preliminaries for Gen-X Month.

:cool:

[blinkinrogue]

ehem, ehem... tre??? hehe

[Tre Styles]

ehem, ehem... tre??? hehe

Yessssssssssssssssssssssssssssss?;)

[Tre Styles]

"Don't call it a comeback...I've been here for years.." :cool:
Today's GENX conspiracy question is this:
Are they deliberately trying to destroy the character of Jono Starsmore?

Have any of you caught his recent appearances in NEW WARRIORS?

What are your thoughts about this TRAVESTY? And let's not get started on "Wondra" aka "Jubilee"

They really are working on getting rid of these characters....

[La Fea]

Are they deliberately trying to destroy the character of Jono Starsmore?

Have any of you caught his recent appearances in NEW WARRIORS?

What are your thoughts about this TRAVESTY? And let's not get started on "Wondra" aka "Jubilee"

They really are working on getting rid of these characters...

Its actually acceptable because they are the best characterized characters in the series.

"BAKED ZITI???????????????"

Not over it.

Jono still looks ridiculous and Jubes went from mall rat to hood rat, but I like how Jubilee is the only one to take issue with being treated poorly by their leader.

[HeckBoy]

It saddens me to even talk about "Chamber" and "Jubilee" anymore. And yes, the quotes are deliberate, b/c those are NOT the Chamber and Jubilee I know.

[Naela]

Basically when I heard that Jono was going to play a part in a new comic series, I was ecstatic as I hoped his whole Apocalypse connection would be explored. Then I found out that he's basically a dude who flies around with sound wings and likes to wear a kilt from time to time.

[Steven F.]

I think Jono is one of the better written characters in New Warriors. I would complain about any of the others before I would his treatment in that series. I think they are doing ok with him.

[Josef F.]

It's a skrull.
It's not real.
It's a skrull.

We've gone through this.
Decibel is nothing.
A blip on the world.
Chamber is being moody and angst ridden in Kent somewhere.