Spider-man Changes

[Bakan]

Hello everyone,

Several years ago before college went into full swing for me, I used to collect Spider-Man. Due to finances and lack of time, I had to stop collecting.

Anyways, recently I was talking to someone who was telling me that Spider-Man in the comics was changed to reflect the movies more (organic webbing via transformation or something). I was wondering, is this true, and does it affect all the Spider-Man comics (and others he stars in)? Thanks.

[Geardaddy]

Sadly, the Spider-Man you once knew does not work here anymore.

The days of a strong supporting cast, financial woes, JJJ berating Spidey in the Bugle, Peter not having enough $ to buy web fluid, etc. are long gone. Instead you get a Spider-Man that is now an Avenger, lives with MJ and Aunt May in Avenger's mansion, was turned into a spider and back (giving him now organic webshooters), and the ultimate...a revelation that his first true love Gwen Stacy cheated on him with none other than Norman Osborn which resulted in her getting pregnant and having super baby twins that have age acceleration, making them adults along with Peter and wanting to kill him for "betraying" them and their mom since Norman fed them a bunch of lies.

If I were you, I'd stick to the old stories...the stories that made Spider-Man great. Stay away from this garbage.

[Bakan]

Thanks for the comment. I shall shed a tear after posting this in memory of the good old days, and thank the fact I haven't bought those comics :(.

What brought on these changes anyways, the movies, the need to add "shock" to the comic? Cause if you ask me, what was wrong with the old Spider-Man that I grew up with.

And HOW did they get Gwen to cheat on Peter there with Osborn no less? :confused:

I'll look through some of the other threads after posting this as well.

Still, thanks for the time.

[Mister Mets]

The organic webbing hasn't been an important part of the comics for some time, although that story did suck.

Other changes= Spidey's now an Avenger. Pick up New Avengers. It's the best-selling comic book for a reason (other than that Spider-Man, and Wolverine are on it.)

I think it's worth picking up Millar's run on Spider-Man, as in my opinion it's the definitive Spider-Man story, and the best since Kraven's last hunt. Among other things it has the perfect end to the Spider-Man- Jonah conflict, major changes for Venom, and the first meeting between Doctor Octopus, and the Green Goblin.

You may be interested in Ultimate Spider-Man- accessible stories without organic webbing, and with a solid supporting cast.

[Bakan]

I actually was collect Ultimate Spiderman a bit before I stopped, and I found them very enjoyable. Glad to hear that line is still going strong.

As for the others, if I manage to get back into collecting again, I'll look at Miller's run and consider trying to get my hands on them.

[Gorakmev]

Don't listen to geardaddy. Spidey is at the top of his game now. The art is superb, the writing is great. Spidey is finally being rewarded for all of his hard work. And living in the Avengers, he is there because a villian burned down his and aunt may's house so he has no where else to go. And if you really want spidey to have $$ problems just pick up the marvel Knight spiderman trades.

Again, don't listen to the first post. people are a bit cranky lately because of a story called sins past, don't let that stop you from rediscovering the greatest hero ever, your friendly nieghborhoo spiderman!

P.S. I'll get flamed for this but buy Arana: one of Marvels up and coming characters!

[onizuka]

i too think Spidey is at a high point in his career. i think he has really just followed the natural progression of the character very well. ultimately, the characteristic that i find most endearing about Spidey is that no matter what situation he is thrust into he will always remain the same friendly neighbourhood Spidey we all know and love.

and no matter how much might seem to be going right in his life, he has never lost his Parker luck. moving into Stark Towers will not be the answer he's been looking for. i think it'll just be a good base of operations for his family so they'll be safe sleeping at night.

[Geardaddy]

Don't listen to geardaddy. Spidey is at the top of his game now. The art is superb, the writing is great. Spidey is finally being rewarded for all of his hard work. And living in the Avengers, he is there because a villian burned down his and aunt may's house so he has no where else to go. And if you really want spidey to have $$ problems just pick up the marvel Knight spiderman trades.

Again, don't listen to the first post. people are a bit cranky lately because of a story called sins past, don't let that stop you from rediscovering the greatest hero ever, your friendly nieghborhoo spiderman!

P.S. I'll get flamed for this but buy Arana: one of Marvels up and coming characters!

I stand by everything I said...with the exception of calling the current Spidey stuff "garbage". That might be a little strong. It's just that the current direction of the Spidey books is NOT what I consider what made Spidey Spidey in the first place.

And yes, I am a bit cranky because of Sins Past... ;)

[Gorakmev]

I stand by everything I said...with the exception of calling the current Spidey stuff "garbage". That might be a little strong. It's just that the current direction of the Spidey books is NOT what I consider what made Spidey Spidey in the first place.

And yes, I am a bit cranky because of Sins Past... ;)

no offense, I just don't want to give someone a bad taste about comics without giving them a fair chance. :)

[Charagon]

I think it's worth picking up Millar's run on Spider-Man, as in my opinion it's the definitive Spider-Man story, and the best since Kraven's last hunt.

^^^ Do not listen to this poster. Comparing Millar's crapfest to Kraven's Last Hunt.... no, ANYTHING J.M. DeMattes has ever written, is a sin against good taste.



What brought on these changes anyways, the movies, the need to add "shock" to the comic?

A triple wammy of !@#$ all at once.

Things were good in the Spider-Man world for several years now. JMS's Amazing Spider-Man had all but wiped the bad taste of the Clone Saga out of people's mouths and inspite of complaints about too much Dr. Strange the stories were very well done.

Complimenting Amazing was Peter Parker: Spider-Man which then turned into the relaunch of the Spectacular Spider-Man. Here you could find your more classic Spidey adventures in shorter, more contained stories.



Little did we know a dark cloud was about to befall the Spider-Man we knew and loved.

The first sign should have been obvious. Somebody confused a memo saying "Mark Millar should be fired and never work in comics again" with "Give Mark Millar a new Spider-Man book". And so Marvel Knights: Spider-Man was born. Disguising its turdness with great art, the book started off on the wrong foot by showing the last blows of a final showdown between the Green Goblin and Spider-Man. Yep, Osborn gets outed, not in a well written and compelling storyline, but as the opening of a completely unrelated story. The pages after that were filled with idiotic characterization and a downright stupid story, reading more like something from the Marvel U roleplaying game. It was when the Avengers started acting like the Ultimates that I let the book go (that was issue #2).

But that was okay. Marvel Knights was only one book, loose in continuity. Easily ignored.

About the same time JMS started up a story called Sin's Past. Two shadowy, superpowered beings were stalking Peter in a very Venomy way. People were excited. It was later discovered that these two stalkers were Gwen's accelerated aged children.... but who was the father? Peter? Possibily. Harry? It could happen. Norman? Ha Ha, not in a million years......

...oh snap. Yes, apparently the twins were the bastard children of Norman Osborn and Gwen Stacy. How did Gwen get pregnate with Norman's children you ask? Well, you seen, Norman was feeling pretty down one day, so Gwen decided to give him a good pity !@#$ to cheer him up. Yep, apparently Gwen Stacy was really a slut who'd give it up to an old guy becausing he was having a bad day.


At the same time the Avengers were getting all Dissassembled. Spider-Man had gotten caught up in a really boring storyline and was turning back into a Man-Spider. After giving birth to himself, Peter now found himself able to squirt a sticky white protein based substance.... from his wrists. He would later go on to pretty much forget any attempts to remember that his secret identity is still a secret and should stay that way, and move into Avengers Tower to join the New Avengers.

[Bakan]

WoW, myself being a newbie and already starting a small argument.

While I greatly miss the days of being able to go the comic book store on wednesdays to pull the newest issues, sadly those days are still looking to be far in the future. However, if I'm able to spend some $$$ onto comics, maybe I'll take a look at Spider-Man.

Still, how did they explain Gwen and Osborn?!? :confused:

Edit: Whoa, posted before seeing Charagon's post there. Thanks, that clears up some the questions I had (besides what the guys at Marvel were smoking to come up with Sins Past :mad: )

[Geardaddy]

no offense, I just don't want to give someone a bad taste about comics without giving them a fair chance. :)

Nah, it's cool. That's what's great about message boards. If everyone shared the same opinion or point of view, this place would be pretty boring!

And for what it's worth, I may not be buying Spidey right now, but I still check in here to see what's going on with him, since he is afterall, the greatest superhero ever. Love the guy!

[Charagon]

However, if I'm able to spend some $$$ onto comics, maybe I'll take a look at Spider-Man.

Don't bother. Pick up Spider-Man/Human Torch and Spider-Girl instead. In fact, go back, and pick up all the Spider-Girl back issues or get the collected digests. A FAR better investment that current Spidey.

Spider-Girl is the far closer to real Spider-Man stories than his current incarnation.

[chicainery]

Don't bother. Pick up Spider-Man/Human Torch and Spider-Girl instead. In fact, go back, and pick up all the Spider-Girl back issues or get the collected digests.


I totally agree. More than likely you will love Spider-girl. I know I do.

[Gorakmev]

WoW, myself being a newbie and already starting a small argument.

While I greatly miss the days of being able to go the comic book store on wednesdays to pull the newest issues, sadly those days are still looking to be far in the future. However, if I'm able to spend some $$$ onto comics, maybe I'll take a look at Spider-Man.

Still, how did they explain Gwen and Osborn?!? :confused:

Edit: Whoa, posted before seeing Charagon's post there. Thanks, that clears up some the questions I had (besides what the guys at Marvel were smoking to come up with Sins Past :mad:)

You don't explain it just accept it and enjoy a good story. Just don't say Sarah, Gabe, Sins of any sort, or Gwen and you'll avoid most arguments. :cool:

[onizuka]

However, if I'm able to spend some $$$ onto comics, maybe I'll take a look at Spider-Man.

Don't bother. Pick up Spider-Man/Human Torch and Spider-Girl instead. In fact, go back, and pick up all the Spider-Girl back issues or get the collected digests. A FAR better investment that current Spidey.

Spider-Girl is the far closer to real Spider-Man stories than his current incarnation.

yeah, Slott is writing a great book, and DeFalco will always be one of the greats.

[Gorakmev]

Don't bother. Pick up Spider-Man/Human Torch and Spider-Girl instead. In fact, go back, and pick up all the Spider-Girl back issues or get the collected digests. A FAR better investment that current Spidey.

True. these are very close to the original form back in the day. I love them!

[Bakan]

Don't bother. Pick up Spider-Man/Human Torch and Spider-Girl instead. In fact, go back, and pick up all the Spider-Girl back issues or get the collected digests. A FAR better investment that current Spidey.

I actually think I have a few of the first Spider-Girl issues stored away back at my hometown (at college ATM, no space for the comic collection here, but come graduation in May and apartment [I hope], hello collection), and if I recall right, I was enjoying those.

You don't explain it just accept it and enjoy a good story. Just don't say Sarah, Gabe, Sins of any sort, or Gwen and you'll avoid most arguments. :cool:

HeH, gotcha and thanks for the warning.

[Maestro]

The organic webshooters may not sound so good but I'll doubt they will make an impact in the future. A really useless change, in my opinion. Oh well, that's doesn't remove the fact there's been tons of great stories! So read

Amazing Spider-Man Vol. 1: Coming Home and on until Vol. 8 (yes, you should read Sins Past and make up your own mind about it)
Marvel Knights Spider-Man Vol. 1: Down Among the Dead Men (same here. Really, it's pretty good)
Ultimate Spider-Man (great title)

And do read New Avengers. It's a great title and he's pretty funny in there

[bjtrdff]

Heaven forbid characters "evolve" and "develop" over the years. Spidey can't be a poor grad student forever.

I'm sure folk have seen it, but MK 13 fetaures spidey living in Avengers tower, and they make an organic webbing reference (he threatens to web up wolverine). Just a mini point of interest since they weren't really seen in any of the other NA books explicitly yet.

[Geardaddy]

Heaven forbid characters "evolve" and "develop" over the years. Spidey can't be a poor grad student forever.

I always love this argument. It's always used when someone tries to justify changes in a particaular book or character, regardless of what that change is. First off, I don't remember anyone saying they didn't want Spider-Man to evolve. Obviously, characters need to evolve to keep their sense of realism. But their is evolution of character, and then there's change of character. There is a reason that Spider-Man appeals to so many of us and has since we were kids. There are/were dynamics of his character that made us plunk down our money every month to see what happens in Peter/Spidey's life. When characters evolve or sway too far from their initial character, they lose much of what made them great. And that's all I'm saying. The Spider-Man that I knew and loved is not the Spider-Man I see in today's books. It's not that I don't want him to evolve or grow, it's that I want him to grow/change in a logical way that fits his character and doesn't compromise what he's all about.

Remember when Peter hit MJ and everyone made a big deal out of it. And around that time we had a very dark Spider-Man? It's kind of the same thing in a different way. The "dark" Peter was not in character and was a far cry from the character we all fell in love with. I'm not saying that this current era is as far off base as that era was, but we're getting close. Avenger's mansion, Gwen sleeping with Norman, and organic webshooters. 20 years ago people would have laughed at how unlikely these events would be...but yet here we are.

[Charagon]

That's pretty much my philosophy.


Two years ago if you had told me that JMS would turn Gwen into a slut, Peter would get organic web-shooters, and become an Avenger, I would have laughed at how terribly stupid that would be and how unlikely it was to happen simply because Marvel couldn't be that stupid.

And yet Marvel surprised me.



When I see a change I want to think "I should have seen that coming" or "why didn't I think of that", not "where in the hell did THAT come from?"

That's the difference between natural progression and change for the sake of change.

[Brian R]

Firstly, stay away from Millar's Spidey, its terribleness personified.

Second, the only book you might want to pick up is New Avengers, because Bendis writes a funny Spider-Man. However, I cant handle his solo books right now, because Peter/MJ/May living in Avengers Tower is beyond retarded. Believe it or not, but you dont really have to deal with that side of it if you only read New Avengers, since they dont have too much time to go into each member's personal life.

The Goblin Babies should also be avoided at all costs, it will shatter your psyche and cause you to vomite uncontrollably, possibly causing you to spontaeniously combust. Nuff' Said.

[Crimson]

Firstly, stay away from Millar's Spidey, its terribleness personified.

Second, the only book you might want to pick up is New Avengers, because Bendis writes a funny Spider-Man. However, I cant handle his solo books right now, because Peter/MJ/May living in Avengers Tower is beyond retarded. Believe it or not, but you dont really have to deal with that side of it if you only read New Avengers, since they dont have too much time to go into each member's personal life.


How do you know this? I mean sure the first arc is about the team getting together... but the second arc is focusing on The Sentry.

It may take a look at members lives, not just what they do on the team we just haven't seen it in the first 4 issues.

I'm personally loving Spider-Man. Sure I complain about missing supporting cast and stuff but the changes are interesting and I can't wait to see what they do next month. I also tend to enjoy most of the arcs in his solo books (Apart from the fact everything goes back to Norman).

I suggest checking out:
New Avengers
Amazing Spider-Man
Ultimate Spider-Man

Those are my favorite Spider-Man books right now.

[The Mirrorball Man]

And yet Marvel surprised me.
Yeah, imagine that.

[xnef1025]

In defense of the of outing Norman as GG, read the first 6 issues of Bendis' The Pulse to see how that came down. Also a good way to get your fix of Peter's old supporting cast since it's about the Bugle.

[Charagon]

Yeah, imagine that.


One day in high school I was sitting on a bench waiting for class when one of my friends walked up to me, shouted "ANTI-CHRIST!" and threw a text book at my groin.

I didn't see that one coming either.

[Mister Mets]

However, if I'm able to spend some $$$ onto comics, maybe I'll take a look at Spider-Man.

Don't bother. Pick up Spider-Man/Human Torch and Spider-Girl instead. In fact, go back, and pick up all the Spider-Girl back issues or get the collected digests. A FAR better investment that current Spidey.

Spider-Girl is the far closer to real Spider-Man stories than his current incarnation.

We may disagree on Marvel Knights Spider-Man (Osborn was actually outed in the Pulse, and his defeat did tie into the story), Sins Past (It wasn;t the best Spider-Man story, but I enjoyed it.), and Spider-girl (I liked the earlier issues, but it just started boring me after the second six issue story arc), but I happily recommend Spider-Man/ Human Torch, Based on the first three issues, the digest is pretty much a guaranteed good time for any Spider-fan (I don't want to use the words must-buy, or essential reading because very few things in the world actually fulfill those criteria.)

I should note that there have been no issues yet with Peter, and family living in Avengers Mansion, so complainers are speaking hypothetically.

[handOFfate]

I disagree with those who disliked Millar's Spidey run. I thought it was great. It's collected in three trades, though you'll probably get it cheaper off of ebay. Great art, Venom gets a new start, Goblin and Ock meet for the first time (unbelievable its taken 40 years for this to happen), an incredibly violent fight with Electro, a sympathetic side to the Vullture, and Scorpion became a badass again (if only for a short time).
I've read the first three trades of JMS's Spider-man and liked it. I don't like the idea of Sins past, though, so I'd stay away from that.
And starting in a few months, Mark Waid starts a new Spider-man comic. I pretty much pick up anything written by Waid, so I'd try this one.

[Gorakmev]

I disagree with those who disliked Millar's Spidey run. I thought it was great. It's collected in three trades, though you'll probably get it cheaper off of ebay. Great art, Venom gets a new start, Goblin and Ock meet for the first time (unbelievable its taken 40 years for this to happen), an incredibly violent fight with Electro, a sympathetic side to the Vullture, and Scorpion became a badass again (if only for a short time).
I've read the first three trades of JMS's Spider-man and liked it. I don't like the idea of Sins past, though, so I'd stay away from that.
And starting in a few months, Mark Waid starts a new Spider-man comic. I pretty much pick up anything written by Waid, so I'd try this one.

I liked MK:SM too, but not the whole venom bonds with scorpion, two strong villians that suddenly become one weak one. Dodsons art is to die for.

[onizuka]

I always love this argument. It's always used when someone tries to justify changes in a particaular book or character, regardless of what that change is. First off, I don't remember anyone saying they didn't want Spider-Man to evolve. Obviously, characters need to evolve to keep their sense of realism. But their is evolution of character, and then there's change of character. There is a reason that Spider-Man appeals to so many of us and has since we were kids. There are/were dynamics of his character that made us plunk down our money every month to see what happens in Peter/Spidey's life. When characters evolve or sway too far from their initial character, they lose much of what made them great. And that's all I'm saying. The Spider-Man that I knew and loved is not the Spider-Man I see in today's books. It's not that I don't want him to evolve or grow, it's that I want him to grow/change in a logical way that fits his character and doesn't compromise what he's all about.

Remember when Peter hit MJ and everyone made a big deal out of it. And around that time we had a very dark Spider-Man? It's kind of the same thing in a different way. The "dark" Peter was not in character and was a far cry from the character we all fell in love with. I'm not saying that this current era is as far off base as that era was, but we're getting close. Avenger's mansion, Gwen sleeping with Norman, and organic webshooters. 20 years ago people would have laughed at how unlikely these events would be...but yet here we are.

hey, very well said dude.

but just for the record, Pete never really hit MJ.

[Hellfan]

Firstly, stay away from Millar's Spidey, its terribleness personified.


I feel like a freak? I collect the Essential Spider-man volumes - and I absolutely love Stan's Pete (The Stan/Romita period owns all). But at the same time Millar's Spidey is an amazing book - and to me he seems a lot like Stan's version...But what do I know, I just got back into comics after 8 years or so.

[Geardaddy]

hey, very well said dude.

but just for the record, Pete never really hit MJ.

Heh, I believe you're right. I wasn't actually reading comics at the time of his supposed hitting of MJ. I actually started back up with comics about a year after the incident. If my memory serves correctly, didn't Peter make some kind of herky jerky motion and accidently hit her in the process, thus getting all Spidey fandom worked up? It may have been that he was having a temper tantrum and MJ got in the way...I guess I can't remember for sure. :confused:

How did it go down again?

[Cody H]

Heh, I believe you're right. I wasn't actually reading comics at the time of his supposed hitting of MJ. I actually started back up with comics about a year after the incident. If my memory serves correctly, didn't Peter make some kind of herky jerky motion and accidently hit her in the process, thus getting all Spidey fandom worked up? It may have been that he was having a temper tantrum and MJ got in the way...I guess I can't remember for sure. :confused:

How did it go down again?It was in an issue of Spectacular (can't remember the issue though). If I remember If I recall correctly it was right after it had been revealed that Pete was the clone and Ben Reilly was the original Peter Parker, and yeah, he went into a tantrum, accidentally hitting MJ when she tried to grab him.

[chicainery]

It was in an issue of Spectacular (can't remember the issue though).

Spectacular Spider-Man #226

scroll down a bit (http://www.spiderfan.org/comics/reviews/spiderman_web/126.alt.html) for a review.

[Kirayoshi]

So far, I've only seen two major changes in Spider-Man to 'make it more like the movies'; the organic webbing(which I neither loved nor hated in the movie, it didn't really change my enjoyment of the whole thing so why worry?) and MJ's shifting gears in her career, going from modeling to Off-Broadway. Oh, and toward the end of 'Sins Past' they did a sly in-reference to the end of Spider-Man 2; as Peter gave Sarah a blood transfusion, MJ whispered, "Go get'em, Tiger", the last line of the movie.

And why shouldn't Peter Parker and his supporting cast evolve? Why shouldn't he finally give up his dead-end job at the Bugle and pursue a career that involves his love of science? Why shouldn't he and his family relocate to a better neighborhood? Why shouldn't MJ want to stretch her muscles? And why should we expect Gwen to remain on her pedestal forever?

Spider-Man is on a high-point, and with Dan Slott's MTU and Mark Waid's upcoming Spider-Man title, things look even better for the future.

Go Get 'Em Tiger!

[Gorakmev]

I like the change to organic webbing. It just makes sense: spiders are known for their webs more so than their strengh or ability to stick to things ( which really isn't "sticking" but climbing). In my opinion, Spidey should always have had organic webbing.

And for the argument of climatic instants where his shooters arn't working, just think that he won't have to worry about that any more and just focus on beating baddies up.

Last, some can't believe that Spidey has gallons of fluid in his body, and they are right. He does not need gallons but only ounces. Think of webbing as an aerogel. Aerogels are formed like jello, millions of tiny strands of fiber suspended in water, except they are created in a way where the water evaporates leaving behind the stands exactly how they were. One would think an aerogel to be weak but in fact they can support many times their own weight. Spidey must have a protien-like catalyst that speeds up the processes and create super strong aerogel fibers to swing from using a small amount of "fluid."

[sony]

So far, I've only seen two major changes in Spider-Man to 'make it more like the movies'; the organic webbing(which I neither loved nor hated in the movie, it didn't really change my enjoyment of the whole thing so why worry?) and MJ's shifting gears in her career, going from modeling to Off-Broadway. Oh, and toward the end of 'Sins Past' they did a sly in-reference to the end of Spider-Man 2; as Peter gave Sarah a blood transfusion, MJ whispered, "Go get'em, Tiger", the last line of the movie.

And why shouldn't Peter Parker and his supporting cast evolve? Why shouldn't he finally give up his dead-end job at the Bugle and pursue a career that involves his love of science? Why shouldn't he and his family relocate to a better neighborhood? Why shouldn't MJ want to stretch her muscles? And why should we expect Gwen to remain on her pedestal forever?

Spider-Man is on a high-point, and with Dan Slott's MTU and Mark Waid's upcoming Spider-Man title, things look even better for the future.

Go Get 'Em Tiger!

Maybe you are not saying that Sins Past was good directly (I am just reading between the lines) but....

I really do want to beat my head against the wall explaining why alleged character growth did not occur in Sins Past. M.J. looks bad in Sins Past and any suspicions that I had that they were unfairly unknocking Gwen down to make M.J. look good vanished when Peter just reinforces his love for Gwen in front of M.J. (though correct me if I am wrong about the last part. I boycotted after ASM 512 and just know what I have read from flipping through the comics really fast at Borders)

M.J. not only looks bad in Sins Past (exhibiting very irresponsible and selfish behavior in not telling anyone about the kids) but M.J. is also reminded she plays second fiddle to the memory of a dead woman. I would be fine with Peter loving MJ now and loving Gwen then. Any agruments about who he loves more is silly. I also see nothing wrong with respecting Gwen's memory while making M.J. look good and having her get over her insecurites about Peter loving Gwen more. Unfortunately Sins Past has the opposite effect with both Gwen and MJ looking bad. The only person coming out of this looking good is Peter (though Peter's reaction of being mad at Norman instead of Gwen at first is strange. That is just not human...he needed to exhibit at least a little anger at Gwen too even if she is dead)

It's just silly that Spidey gave her that transfusion anyway (as Madgoblin pointed out in his article). Spider-Man's blood shouldn't have been compatible with hers unless he was her father (evidently JMS has never worked in a hospital lab or the Red Cross typing and crossing blood).

[Artemis1]

Spider-Girl, in my opinion, is the best Spiderman series in recent.

[mysterios_brain_tumor]

i think besides the sins of the past storyline JMS did a good job on spider-man,he made him a high school teacher he had him actually progress as a character,sins of the past sucked granted but the stuff he was doing before that was more quality then anything that had been written in yeeeeears and you know it,i hear alot of people saying "this is garbage" and "i can write a better story" keep in mind if these people were writing the book peter would still be in high school juggling mary jane and betty brant or gwen or whatever...basically we'd be reading everything that was done by the masters back in the 60's and 70's and nothing new peter would be a joke with entertaining storylines that go nowhere and never progress on any level...so be wary and think before you speak everyone has an opinion but it seems like it's the most worthless opinion that has the loudest voice

[sony]

Spider-Girl, in my opinion, is the best Spiderman series in recent.

Agreed! ;)

[nubly]

i dont really see anythong wrong with change. peoples way of life changes as we grow older. why should pete's be any different?

[sony]

i dont really see anythong wrong with change. peoples way of life changes as we grow older. why should pete's be any different?


Change is fine and dandy but not all change is good. People experience change and the trick is to keep the good changes and weed out the bad changes.

I didn't ask for Spidey to lose the witty banter (and Spider-Man comics to lose my interest because some of them are boring)....I really think they need to go back and analyze what made Spidey popular without keeping him frozen in time. Look at Spider-Man:Human Torch (or even Marvel Team Up)...which seem to be channeling the Spidey vibe right now. Now I don't want to see Peter go back in time..but get back to what made Spidey great, already.