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Guts/Batman
04-04-2005, 11:33 AM
I went to the comic book store on friday and picked up dark victory 1. I'll have to reread it. Is the rest of it worth getting or should i i get the TPB?
exboywonder
04-04-2005, 12:00 PM
Is it ever?

I recommend starting with Long Halloween. Then moving on to Dark Victory, as it is sort of a sequal.

Both books are available in trade format, and are two of my favorite Batman tales. Highly recommended!

I really tend to like all Loeb/Sale books.
Lone Ranger
04-04-2005, 12:04 PM
I picked this up two weeks ago as a local store had a big sale (it was 50% off).

I cannot even begin to talk about how much I loved this story. I may have even preferred it to Long Halloween (although, I'll go back and re-read the LH).

This was a total page turner.

One of the highlight was the characterization of Alfred.

The scene with Alfred speaking with Dick while flashing back to a young Bruce was heartbreaking.

Great, great stuff.
Guts/Batman
04-04-2005, 01:43 PM
i did see the Long Halloween in TPB at the comic book store but wasn't sure if i wanted it at that time...Iwas collecting NML and Knightfall at the time. I'll be sure to get them soon tho.
outlander78
04-04-2005, 05:02 PM
Long Halloween is slightly better than Dark Victory, in my opinion. I'd suggest reading both, in order, as mentioned above. Also, unless you can find the single issues for less than Amazon or a local retailer's copy of the trade, I'd say buy the trade - it's nice to have, and often less expensive.
Guts/Batman
04-04-2005, 07:02 PM
so is $7.50 and isue too much? lol

How many TPBare there for Darkl Victory?
Jaye
04-04-2005, 08:20 PM
so is $7.50 and isue too much? lol

How many TPBare there for Darkl Victory?

One TBP, and it currently costs $19.95 at comic shops.
UniqueFrequency
04-05-2005, 02:35 AM
definitely a great read! pick up the tpb, it's cheaper
same with long halloween
TitoJones
04-05-2005, 03:13 AM
While I though The Long Halloween was a little better, you can't go wrong with Dark Victory.

I also like how Sale drew Dick as a kid compared to Bruce

"You might want to re-think about the yellow cape"
dancj
04-05-2005, 04:34 AM
I thought both books were quite well written and fantastically drawn. I think Tim Sale's art makes everyone think they are better stories than they really are - the same trick Johnny Depp pulled in Pirates of the Carribean.
outlander78
04-05-2005, 11:36 AM
$8 per issue? Yikes!

Heh - LH and DV were printed in trade form before the 6/trade phenomenon started.
Guts/Batman
04-05-2005, 11:43 AM
i think ill get the trades... lol
meethraa
04-06-2005, 12:13 AM
Has anyone here read Dark Victory without having read Long Halloween?
UniqueFrequency
04-06-2005, 12:58 AM
Has anyone here read Dark Victory without having read Long Halloween?

yeah i have. makes no difference, still a great read
dancj
04-06-2005, 04:18 AM
Heh - LH and DV were printed in trade form before the 6/trade phenomenon started.

Hence I actually own them unlike Hush
FunkyGreenJerusalem
04-06-2005, 04:33 AM
Has anyone here read Dark Victory without having read Long Halloween?

Yup.

Thought it was rather average.
Lupek
10-12-2009, 04:11 PM
Man oh manischewitz....I've just read this and Dark Victory was outstanding.

They need to make Long Halloween and Dark Victory into animated films. And DC HAS to get Loeb and Sale back to work on Batman again.
olympichero62
10-12-2009, 04:13 PM
Man oh manischewitz....I've just read this and Dark Victory was outstanding.

They need to make Long Halloween and Dark Victory into animated films. And DC HAS to get Loeb and Sale back to work on Batman again.

No. That was the old Loeb. You don't want current Loeb writing anything right now...
Lupek
10-12-2009, 04:28 PM
No. That was the old Loeb. You don't want current Loeb writing anything right now...

No. I know exactly what I want. You want to speak for yourself.
Sn4tcH
10-12-2009, 04:42 PM
I still think that Tim Sale has some magic powers that makes Loebs writing better.
CYOTI
10-12-2009, 05:23 PM
^Good artists make crappy stories more digestible, which I guess means Sale is a better artist than McGuiness given the formers ability to disguise the stench of Loeb's writing while McGuiness who did draw pretty pictures did nothing to help in showcasing how bad a writer Loeb was on S/B, Superman and Rulk.


No. That was the old Loeb. You don't want current Loeb writing anything right now...

Actually they are the same guy: hopelessly mediocre. It was just that at that time, 75% of DC's output was even worse so even the below average stuff shined through.
Jorriss
10-12-2009, 05:32 PM
Actually they are the same guy: hopelessly mediocre. It was just that at that time, 75% of DC's output was even worse so even the below average stuff shined through....Actually old Loeb is critically and commercial praised so I think it is fair to say he was objectively good. New loeb? Ionno.
CYOTI
10-12-2009, 05:51 PM
...Actually old Loeb is critically and commercial praised so I think it is fair to say he was objectively good. It's not every hard when your competitor is churning out stuff like Heroes Reborn and Onslaught while re-emerging from bankruptcy and when your publisher thinks the 90s will last forever.

It's was a critical success simply because everything else was a critical disaster.
Jorriss
10-12-2009, 06:08 PM
It's not every hard when your competitor is churning out stuff like Heroes Reborn and Onslaught while re-emerging from bankruptcy and when your publisher thinks the 90s will last forever.

It's was a critical success simply because everything else was a critical disaster.
Hardly. You think everyone who still enjoys it is only enjoying it from nostalgia or something? I read it as my second comic before I had read anything on the internet and loved it and this same event took place for numerous other people. Regardless of what you think, it is thought of as a great piece of work on its own merits, not as a comparison to a poor time in comics.
Darthhobbit
10-12-2009, 07:02 PM
if you want to read them in order read long halloween, then haunted knight, then dark victory
RubberLotus
10-12-2009, 07:37 PM
If I remember correctly, Haunted Knight doesn't really have anything to do with either story; it's just a standalone collection of Halloween-themed Bat-stories.

Which kinda makes sense, seeing as how Loeb wrote it before either TLH or DV.
Sn4tcH
10-12-2009, 08:19 PM
Plus I think Haunted Knight takes place on three serperate Halloweens, and I think Dark Victory takes place less than a year from Long Halloween.
Captain Jim
10-12-2009, 08:45 PM
If I remember correctly, Haunted Knight doesn't really have anything to do with either story; it's just a standalone collection of Halloween-themed Bat-stories.

Which kinda makes sense, seeing as how Loeb wrote it before either TLH or DV.

Correct.

As far as Loeb is concerned... I thought Long Halloween and Dark Victory were great. I thought Hush was merely average. And I thought his Superman/ Batman stories were only fair. I haven't been following his work at Marvel, but I know some people think it's been poor.
Darthhobbit
10-13-2009, 06:23 AM
oh well i am wrong and should not be listened to at all, i read them in that order and i still felt it was a good sidestory in between TLH and DV
Blue Blazes
10-13-2009, 07:02 AM
their is also a Catwoman story, When in Rome that kinda ties to the LH and DV, its an average story and I got the issues for 50 cents each, but if you find it i wouldnt pay more than that, i read it 3rd in the series.
Gabe De Los Muertos
10-13-2009, 08:39 AM
Correct.

As far as Loeb is concerned... I thought Long Halloween and Dark Victory were great. I thought Hush was merely average. And I thought his Superman/ Batman stories were only fair. I haven't been following his work at Marvel, but I know some people think it's been poor.

The guy destroyed an entire universe. He had Janet Pym eaten by Blob, Blob's head ripped off by Giant Man, Xavier killed, Magneto lobotomized, Cyclops assassinated, Thor replaced with a 19-year old tramp, Wolverine killed.....It goes on.
Nefarius
10-13-2009, 09:04 AM
I still think that Tim Sale has some magic powers that makes Loebs writing better.

I think Sale's art saves both stories.I think that Dark Victory is more enjoyable than Long Halloween(which is overrated IMO-i prefer Batman Annual 14 as Two-Face's penultimate origin)because i love the whole freaks vs normal gangsters rivalry.Also,we see more of Two-Face in action and i think that Alfred has some great moments with Dick.
Gabe De Los Muertos
10-13-2009, 09:25 AM
The guy destroyed an entire universe. He had Janet Pym eaten by Blob, Blob's head ripped off by Giant Man, Xavier killed, Magneto lobotomized, Cyclops assassinated, Thor replaced with a 19-year old tramp, Wolverine killed.....It goes on.

This is what I'm talking about:
http://comicbookresources.com/prev_img.php?disp=img&pid=1255379242
Vigilante Justice
10-13-2009, 12:01 PM
This was the first Batman story I ever read and I loved it...then found out it was a sequel and was super disappointed I didn't get to read Long Halloween and try and solve the crime. Definitely read LH first, the experience is awesome. Still my favorite Bat story.
Sn4tcH
10-13-2009, 01:41 PM
As far as Loeb is concerned... I thought Long Halloween and Dark Victory were great. I thought Hush was merely average. And I thought his Superman/ Batman stories were only fair. I haven't been following his work at Marvel, but I know some people think it's been poor.

Couldn't have said it better myself. Though, I was still reading Ultimate Marvel books until recenly, and what Loeb did to that poor little universe... words cannot describe.