Guy Gardner: Warrior

[LooseCannon]

When Guy is fully amped is he the strongest DC hero? Superman believed he hit harder than Doomsday. Wonder Woman was in awe of his strength and fighting ability when fighting the Tormok. Fire comments to Blu Devil and Nuklon on how Guy is in a league of his own.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

When Guy is fully amped is he the strongest DC hero? Superman believed he hit harder than Doomsday. Wonder Woman was in awe of his strength and fighting ability when fighting the Tormok. Fire comments to Blu Devil and Nuklon on how Guy is in a league of his own.



I have no Idea. Guy was turned Into the John Wayne of superheroes by Beau Smith and It lasted awhile In the DCU. Now he's back as the loveable jerk Guy Gardner. :)

[Argonaut]

When Guy is fully amped is he the strongest DC hero? Superman believed he hit harder than Doomsday. Wonder Woman was in awe of his strength and fighting ability when fighting the Tormok. Fire comments to Blu Devil and Nuklon on how Guy is in a league of his own.

He was not the strongest but he was able to give beings like Superman and other super-strong characters a run for their money.

[LooseCannon]

Hitting harder than Doomsday and being able to single handedly graplle with Superman and Rampage at the same time pretty much puts him in a league of his own. In fact he was woning the League a few issues later until Wonder Woman calmed him down. When fighting the Tormock, even DIana was in awe of his strength and fighting skill. That is pretty high praise coming from her.

[Forsaken_One]

What, are you kidding? Superman takes out masses of cloned Doomsdays with heat vision now, his power levels have been considerably amped up since his death/ressurection. Think of it like Dragon Ball Z: Sure, you're more powerful than the last guy, but the heros just keep getting more powerful to match.

[Apathy Boy]

Superman believed he hit harder than Doomsday.To be fair, Superman always says "I've never been hit so hard before!" whenever he gets into a fight. It's replaced "Up, up and away!" as his official motto.

[marshal99]

Hitting harder than Doomsday and being able to single handedly graplle with Superman and Rampage at the same time pretty much puts him in a league of his own. In fact he was woning the League a few issues later until Wonder Woman calmed him down. When fighting the Tormock, even DIana was in awe of his strength and fighting skill. That is pretty high praise coming from her.

I wouldn't count Rampage as big league , she is pretty useless. Eclipso (before his revamp) took her out in seconds back in the will payton starman series . Guy may be wailing on superman but superman wasn't really hurt , he regard Guy as an annoyance more than anything else.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Well Its all In the past now. Guy Isn't Warrior anymore , so John Wayne should be resting easy In his grave.

[Antonio B.]

What, are you kidding? Superman takes out masses of cloned Doomsdays with heat vision now, his power levels have been considerably amped up since his death/ressurection. Think of it like Dragon Ball Z: Sure, you're more powerful than the last guy, but the heros just keep getting more powerful to match.

The Doomsday Clones were not perfect. They were not alive.

Batman: Darkseid has a scientist. His Megeia. This "Dr. Bedlam" makes a non-living thing called the animate. If they used Doomsday's DNA as a template...Why would Darkseid stage this attack, knowing his army was flawed? Unless...

Superman: Superhearing confirms no heartbeats. Microscopic Vision...animates!

He lets loose heat vision killing the imperfect clones. Diana comes over to him and Superman says, "I don't think I could do that twice." he is on his knees holding his head.

[Blue Spider]

The Doomsday Clones were not perfect. They were not alive.

Batman: Darkseid has a scientist. His Megeia. This "Dr. Bedlam" makes a non-living thing called the animate. If they used Doomsday's DNA as a template...Why would Darkseid stage this attack, knowing his army was flawed? Unless...

Superman: Superhearing confirms no heartbeats. Microscopic Vision...animates!

He lets loose heat vision killing the imperfect clones. Diana comes over to him and Superman says, "I don't think I could do that twice." he is on his knees holding his head.

I don't know why the Doomsdays' lack of a heart would mean one thing or another. The original Doomsday had a distinct minimum of internal organs! He had no heart! He was primarily a brain and central nervous system. He had no blood, did not bleed, and if he was alive it was only an arbitrary distinction and label. From the notion of heart pumping and lungs breathing, Doomsday was never alive in the first place.

From the notion of synapses firing, it doesn't really matter since Superman stopped holding back anyway just before the point of his death.

Doomsday's origin as a clone descendent of a living baby doesn't mean too much, does it?

CJA

[Antonio B.]

I don't know why the Doomsdays' lack of a heart would mean one thing or another. The original Doomsday had a distinct minimum of internal organs! He had no heart! He was primarily a brain and central nervous system. He had no blood, did not bleed, and if he was alive it was only an arbitrary distinction and label. From the notion of heart pumping and lungs breathing, Doomsday was never alive in the first place.

From the notion of synapses firing, it doesn't really matter since Superman stopped holding back anyway just before the point of his death.

Doomsday's origin as a clone descendent of a living baby doesn't mean too much, does it?

CJA

The point I was trying to make is that there is no way I'm going to accept that if Darkseid had been able to make perfect exact clones of DD and send them; Superman would not have been able to do that. There is no way Supes is that much more powerful than when he fough DD the first time.

[sikkbones]

what exactly is guy gardner's current ret con origin?

[Forsaken_One]

The point I was trying to make is that there is no way I'm going to accept that if Darkseid had been able to make perfect exact clones of DD and send them; Superman would not have been able to do that. There is no way Supes is that much more powerful than when he fough DD the first time.
I do believe he's stated that he's much more powerful than he was when he fought Doomsday several times. Even ignoring the irregularities of writers on his power level the Doomsday of back then wouldn't stand much of a chance against Superman now.

Thus "His punches are stronger than Doomsday's!" is a compliment, but not proof of ultimate power. LooseCannon seems to want Guy Gardner in warrior mode to be the most powerful being on Earth or something, but that's just not proven by the various storylines he was in.

[Antonio B.]

I do believe he's stated that he's much more powerful than he was when he fought Doomsday several times. Even ignoring the irregularities of writers on his power level the Doomsday of back then wouldn't stand much of a chance against Superman now.

Thus "His punches are stronger than Doomsday's!" is a compliment, but not proof of ultimate power. LooseCannon seems to want Guy Gardner in warrior mode to be the most powerful being on Earth or something, but that's just not proven by the various storylines he was in.

I would agree that Supes now can take DD then but people try to make it seem as if Superman could take several if not dozens of DD of back then with no problem.

[Blue Spider]

The point I was trying to make is that there is no way I'm going to accept that if Darkseid had been able to make perfect exact clones of DD and send them; Superman would not have been able to do that. There is no way Supes is that much more powerful than when he fough DD the first time.

and my point is that story was crap.

As it is, when Superman was complimenting Guy he wasn't yet so powerful anyway that Doomsday couldn't kill him again if he came back.

Nowadays Superman could probably pulp Doomsday, but D-Day seems to have gotten weaker, Superman HAS gotten so much more uber-powerful, and Kal-El was using hyperbole to describe Gardner's impact.

CJA

[Lupek]

I was wondering if I should pick up the back issues for this. Was it any good? Guy with the tatoos looks pretty cheesey but if there are some good Guy Gardner moments in it I'll get it. Was it completly divorced from the world of the Green Lantern Corps?

[AugustEngine]

I was wondering if I should pick up the back issues for this. Was it any good? Guy with the tatoos looks pretty cheesey but if there are some good Guy Gardner moments in it I'll get it. Was it completly divorced from the world of the Green Lantern Corps?


Cheesy looks aside, fucking awesome book. Not to knock Johns, Gibbons, or Tomasi, but that version of Guy has never been improved on. And while it wasn't fully divorced from Lantern Land, the GLC and Guy's history in it were fairly small factors.

Why DC isn't tripping over themselves to get trades of this out to the public, I'll never know.

[OzBat!]

probably because the color was incredibly murky, and the inking haphazard; they'd need to do a TON of cleanup to make it ready for the trade treatment.

Beau's version of Guy Gardner, from Zero Hour on through to the end of the series, is my absolute favourite. He didn't ignore a single one of Guy's wildly varying personalities from over the years (including the JLA Mary Sunshine version!), but came up with a rationale that worked to include all of them.

Guy is a jerk. AND a caring guy. AND super-cocky. AND a capable veteran. He really had the most fleshed out, three-dimensional characterisation running around the DCU at the time. The powers, and Guy went through lots of 'em (yellow ring, power armor, Vuldarian powers) in the space of a very short time, weren't the focus of the book, they were the medium that allowed us to explore how Guy 'worked'.

Criminally underated quirky little book under Beau's guidance. Tomasi has come closest in my opinion. Chaykin's two-part prestige series absolutely missed the boat, from a characterisation viewpoint.

All that said, I REALLY want to see Guy's vuldarian powers reassert themselves at some point in GLCorps, just to see what Guy would do if he had both that level of physical ability, on top of the virtually limitless power of the ring. Although I'd suspect the vuldarian powers wouldn't show until something happened to render the ring powerless... it was the ring that rewrote Guy's DNA from what I remember.

[marshal99]

I was wondering if I should pick up the back issues for this. Was it any good? Guy with the tatoos looks pretty cheesey but if there are some good Guy Gardner moments in it I'll get it. Was it completly divorced from the world of the Green Lantern Corps?

There were some cheesy parts but it was a decent read , not really a big fan of the art by mitch byrd though. Some stuffs like Emerald fallout which ties in heavily with emerald twilight should have been collected , and the one where guy opened his warrior bar with tons of superhero cameos is cool.Also , the clone of guy gardner , Joe was cool.

[celticguy]

Well Its all In the past now. Guy Isn't Warrior anymore , so John Wayne should be resting easy In his grave.

besides when is the lasttime you saw a guy gardner plate in the back of Parade magazine.

[GHalecki]

My very favorite version of Guy was with Sinestro's ring. Close enough to the other GLs, but definately his own twist. Similar to personalitywise, he is every bit as heroic and brave as Hal or John, but not as personable.

As a vulderan, I disliked him, but I always dislike that sort of power set, with the morphing body parts and such. I think that the writing was fantastic as far as his personality and interation was. I just didn't like the powers aestheticly.

If Beau Smigh can't get work on Guy from DC, I can always hope that Marvel picks him up to give the same kind of treatment on their resident unredeemable jerk, USAgent.

[marshal99]

My very favorite version of Guy was with Sinestro's ring. Close enough to the other GLs, but definately his own twist. Similar to personalitywise, he is every bit as heroic and brave as Hal or John, but not as personable.


Not to mention , when he first showed up with that yellow ring , he saved the day and managed to free superman from eclipso. :wink:

However , it was fitting that Parallax Hal be the one who destroyed the ring. All traces of the GL past were being wiped off at that time.

[GHalecki]

That trick that Guy did with going and grabbing a whole barrel full of actual sun matter and bringing it back to dump on superman was brilliant.