Grey Goblin

[Artemis1]

Who is he/she. What issue did he/she come from? Are there any pics of him/her?

[Core]

He's Gwen Stacey and Norman Osborn's son, Gabriel. You can find pictures of him in the most recent issue of Spectacular, but he won't be in costume. For that, you need to check out the last issue of the "Sins Past" arc in Amazing.

And I did a quick google search for images of him and didn't really find anything, although with a bit more persistance, you might be able to turn up a scan or two.

[Crimson]

Every apperance of Gabriel Stacy AKA Grey Goblin

Amazing Spider-Man 509-514 (Sins Past) and Spectacular Spider-Man Vol. 2 #25 (Sins Remembered)

[sony]

Who is he/she. What issue did he/she come from? Are there any pics of him/her?


He only actually appeared in ASM 514 in costume..I don't think he will ever appear in that costume again (if Marvel knows what's good for them)

[Crimson]

He only actually appeared in ASM 514 in costume..I don't think he will ever appear in that costume again (if Marvel knows what's good for them)

I dunno, Marvel are obviously pushing the Stacy twins. A 6 issue arc in Amazing and a 4 issue arc in Spec... it doesn't sound like two people their going to give up on easy. Unless of course their current arc is just for killing them off.

[sony]

I dunno, Marvel are obviously pushing the Stacy twins. A 6 issue arc in Amazing and a 4 issue arc in Spec... it doesn't sound like two people their going to give up on easy. Unless of course their current arc is just for killing them off.


Considering fan reaction and the suckiness of Sins Remembered only JMS would dare show him again but not in costume (until the retcon ;) )

[Crimson]

Considering fan reaction and the suckiness of Sins Remembered only JMS would dare show him again but not in costume (until the retcon ;) )

Sales are back where they were before the arc began (They went up for the first few issues) and it hasn't really affect Spectacular's sales either... so fan reaction hasn't been that bad. Sure people have complained online but if it doesn't effect sales I don't see Marvel being afraid to use them again.

[sony]

Sales are back where they were before the arc began (They went up for the first few issues) and it hasn't really affect Spectacular's sales either... so fan reaction hasn't been that bad. Sure people have complained online but if it doesn't effect sales I don't see Marvel being afraid to use them again.

Sales have fallen off a little for all Spider Books I believe, including Ultimate Spider-Man and Marvel Knights (except Spider-Girl remains relatively consistent)

Actually USM has fallen off a lot recently...

With approximations by Diamond ASM #508 sold ~82,300 and ASM #517 sold ~78,600.

Sales would probably be this way anyway..since sales were falling before Sin Past and have just continued their downward trend after Sins Past was over.

Sins Past didn't stop the downward trend. If that was the purpose, the gamble wasn't worth it (IMO)

Also, if the purpose was to make a few quick bucks in several months the decrease in sales will be greater than the few quick bucks made during Sins Past (except they are increasing the cover prices :( )

[devin102]

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[Artemis1]

Was Grey Goblin as dangerous as the other Goblins? Did he win against Spiderman at all. How much of a challenge was he to Spiderman?

[cable guy]

Was Grey Goblin as dangerous as the other Goblins? Did he win against Spiderman at all. How much of a challenge was he to Spiderman?

Gennetically he has lots potential, if he doesn't die soon.

But in this fight, at the end he was not much of a challenge because of inexperience.

[Gorakmev]

I like Gray Goblin and I think Marvel will certainly use him again as well as Sarah. This could be good news for all those wishing to see an end to all GG Spidey confrontations. With the Green Goblin missing/dead in Marvel Kninght, the gray goblin might take over the legacy for now.

[Alan2099]

Grey Goblin is a horribly shallow rip-off character created during a terrible storyline and he has an origin that just doesn't make any sense. Kill the guy and leave him burried. Deep.

[Stephane Garrelie]

Grey Goblin is a horribly shallow rip-off character created during a terrible storyline and he has an origin that just doesn't make any sense. Kill the guy and leave him burried. Deep.
Don't bash grey goblin or he'll come back to take revenge along with pink goblin and yellow goblin. :evilsmile
All of them children of Gwen she had 'cause of gangbanging with Norman, Jolly Jonah, Doc Ock, Howard the duck and Man-Thing.
You want it? JMS can do it!!! (He can even write the flash back story in a Max mini.) as long as it sells it ok for M$rv$l.
By the by I'm a fan of Babylone 5 and Supreme power is a great book.
Don't know if I have hope or fear about JMS'upcoming FF. :confused:

[Stephane Garrelie]

Don't bash grey goblin or he'll come back to take revanche along with pink goblin and yellow goblin. :evilsmile
All of them children of Gwen she had 'cause of gangbanging with Norman, Jolly Jonah, Doc Ock, Howard the duck and Man-Thing.
You want it? JMS can do it!!! (He can even write the flash back story in a Max mini.) as long as it sells it ok for M$rv$l.
By the by I'm a fan of Babylone 5 and Supreme power is a great book.
Don't know if I have hope or fear about JMS'upcoming FF. :confused:
Now that I think about it, didn't anybody posted this kind of joke some time ago? Poor clone's colored-goblin-child is almost as ridiculous as his sister but the grey costume is'nt near as ridiculous as almost anything about Norman since his resurection. As a matter of fact I like the costume, even if it's the only thing in all this.
Talk about lost opportunities!!!

[Gorakmev]

Grey Goblin is a horribly shallow rip-off character created during a terrible storyline and he has an origin that just doesn't make any sense. Kill the guy and leave him burried. Deep.

Why doesn't his origin make sense? It seems logical to me, I mean, as logical as a book about a man that can stick to walls can be, that is. He is not a shallow rip-off, he seems to be the natural heir to the gobby legacy with GG out of the picture for a while at least. Also, I thought the book was very good, one of the best AMS stories to date.

[Alan2099]

Okay. let's go over things a step at a time.

First in order for this to work, Gwen Stacy has to sleep with Norman. That alone makes no real sense.

Then she has to have twins that never get mentioned.

Now, with all of that, she actually has to go back to Norman and allow him to raise the kids. When there is honestly no real reason for them to even be on speaking terms.

You also have to accept that the healing factor can age somebody rapidly, which sort of defeats the point of it being a healing factor. Everybody else anywhere in comics ages slower because of a healing factor.

We also have tom accept that The Grey Goblin somehow looks like Peter, because he was obviously drawn to look that way when he first appeared. Despite not having any reason to resemble Pete at all.

We have to accept that these kids are mentaly just 10 years old, which means they shouldn't be acting anywhere as mature as they are being.

Furthermore, he finds out that the man he was raised by was lying to him all his life and he still takes the man's side.

Also, none of Norman's plans to get Peter to be an Osborn and the new Green Goblin make sense if he was already raising two people to be new Goblins and kill Peter anyway.

[Stephane Garrelie]

As I've already said in another spidey-thread, Peter and Mj were/are just making fun of their scribe: "Grey :evilsmile Goblin" honest!
Norman/Gwen!!!
And Peter and Gwen never having done the act together? Do you really believe this? :p ;)

[Gorakmev]

I don't think she had much choice in letting him help with the kids, he murders and contorts poeple all the time. After gwen died, there was no one else who knew about them.

They age mentally the same speed as they do physically. Both the healing factor and the rapid aging are both effects of the GG's blood, not the aging being an effect of the healing factor.

Gray Goblin had been told all of his life that spidey was the enemy. Thinking one way for so long is a hard thing to stop doing. Killing Pete was his life's goal, one does not just abandon something like that easily. Sarah had a little compassion on Spidey and that helped her beleive him.

Drawing Gabe like Peter is coincidental in my opinion, I don't think there was anything to it or mabey the story was going a different way originally.

With real children of the Goblin, why would osborn need Spiderman?

I will agree with you that Gwen sleeping with Norman is unthinkable. I think they should have found a better excuse than that... although It would give Gwen reason to hide every thing.

[Gorakmev]

As I've already said in another spidey-thread, Peter and Mj were/are just making fun of their scribe: "Grey :evilsmile Goblin" honest!
Norman/Gwen!!!
And Peter and Gwen never having done the act together? Do you really believe this? :p ;)

It sounds crazy but does anyone know if GG has had any effect on women before? Like attraction is one of his less known powers or something?

[Stephane Garrelie]

* coincidental
"coincidental", I love this word! :p
anyway you have perfectly the right to enjoy this story if you want, but don't believe what is said in it to be true.
"Grey Goblin", :p oh my!
Gwen/Norman pfff :p :rolleyes:

[Gorakmev]

"coincidental", I love this word! :p
anyway you have perfectly the right to enjoy this story if you want, but don't believe what is said in it to be true.
"Grey Goblin", :p oh my!
Gwen/Norman pfff :p :rolleyes:

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I don't mean this offensively but you don't make much sense.

I think the story is very good but I respect it if you do not like it.

[Stephane Garrelie]

It sounds crazy but does anyone know if GG has had any effect on women before? Like attraction is one of his less known powers or something?
No, he loved (if I remember correctly) Harry's mother but that's all.
I even think he was more interested by his compagny than by his family.
Long time not read. see the "origine of the green goblin"(not sure of the title) episode during Stan Lee/Romita sr run (Essantial amazing Spiderman vol.2)
This is the real spiderman. :)

[Stephane Garrelie]

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I don't mean this offensively but you don't make much sense.

I think the story is very good but I respect it if you do not like it.
And I respect that you love it.
if you enjoy it, that's what is important not what I think.
By the way I make fun of the characters and of the story, maybe even of the writer, not of you.
:)

[Gorakmev]

No, he loved (if I remember correctly) Harry's mother but that's all.
I even think he was more interested by his compagny than by his family.
Long time not read. see the "origine of the green goblin"(not sure of the title) episode during Stan Lee/Romita sr run (Essantial amazing Spiderman vol.2)
This is the real spiderman. :)

Oh yeah, I forgot about how business cotrolled him. I guess not then. He knew who Pete was around that time right? Mabey he went out of his way to get Gwen interested in him just to devistate Spidey's life. It wouldn't be the first time.

[Gorakmev]

And I respect that you love it.
if you enjoy it, that's what is important not what I think.
By the way I make fun of the characters and of the story, maybe even of the writer, not of you.
:)

Cool. Yeah, I agree that there are some characters/creative team members that just deserve being laughed at.

[Stephane Garrelie]

Oh yeah, I forgot about how business cotrolled him. I guess not then. He knew who Pete was around that time right? Mabey he went out of his way to get Gwen interested in him just to devistate Spidey's life. It wouldn't be the first time.
The problem is that:
1-Gwen wasn't that kind of girl
2- She loved peter.
3- Norman/Green Goblin never had this kind of power.
4-Gwen was in England, not in France.
5-In comics of this time, there was thoughts bubbles.
etc...
As a what if story it could have worked, but in amazing, no it doesn't.
Anyway it was fun too read but it's something waiting to be un-retconned.
:)

[Gorakmev]

The problem is that:
1-Gwen wasn't that kind of girl
2- She loved peter.
3- Norman/Green Goblin never had this kind of power.
4-Gwen was in England, not in France.
5-In comics of this time, there was thoughts bubbles.
etc...
As a what if story it could have worked, but in amazing, no it doesn't.
Anyway it was fun too read but it's something waiting to be un-retconned.
:)

It really is a huge incosistency now that I think about it. Hmm....

[Alan2099]

Gorakmev, don't let yourself get confused between the current Green Goblin and how he actually acted at the time that Norman and Gwen's affair took place.

Back then, Green Goblin was a seperat personality and he was nowhere near the criminal mastermind and schemer that they're trying to write him as now. he was just another kook in a costume. He was actually more intrested in trying to get his hands into a criminal empire than he was trying to get Spider-man.

Back then, Norman was a tad creepy and stiff, but he didn't go around plotting the death of Spider-man at ever turn.

[Gorakmev]

Gorakmev, don't let yourself get confused between the current Green Goblin and how he actually acted at the time that Norman and Gwen's affair took place.

Back then, Green Goblin was a seperat personality and he was nowhere near the criminal mastermind and schemer that they're trying to write him as now. he was just another kook in a costume. He was actually more intrested in trying to get his hands into a criminal empire than he was trying to get Spider-man.

Back then, Norman was a tad creepy and stiff, but he didn't go around plotting the death of Spider-man at ever turn.

Thanks for the info. I've been reading comics for a few years but my knowledge of things that far in the past is a bit fuzzy.

[Spider69]

Oh yeah, I forgot about how business cotrolled him. I guess not then. He knew who Pete was around that time right? Mabey he went out of his way to get Gwen interested in him just to devistate Spidey's life. It wouldn't be the first time.
I am sorry........but there is NO WAY IN HELL!!!that gwen stacy.Pete's Gwen Stacy! Honest to goodly willingly slept with norman osbourn.I refused to beleive it. Now it would make some since that maybe she was raped.But then again,if she was pregnant,then I think peter would of notice just a bit.9 months without any sign of enlargment, or peter being even the most slightly parnoid?.......NO. This along with the eddie brock story.....are just proof of the real SH*TY WRITERS THAT MARVEL HAS RIGHT NOW! :evilangry :mad: :mad:

[Stephane Garrelie]

And she was not out of the book for 9 months. ;)
By the way the "now" writers aren't tallentless, they are just unrespectful of the characters and of their own predecessors. :(
And it's better not begin to talk about the simple logic. :o

[Gorakmev]

And she was not out of the book for 9 months. ;)
By the way the "now" writers aren't tallentless, they are just unrespectful of the characters and of their own predecessors. :(
And it's better not begin to talk about the simple logic. :o

You're right. There is no continuity these days and Mavel thinks it will increase sales???

[Stephane Garrelie]

You're right. There is no continuity these days and Mavel thinks it will increase sales???
M$rv$l.
And yes continuity is the big problem these days.
Maybe the upcomming Mark Waid's spiderman on-going series will be better, I don't know.
Try Chris Claremont's uncanny x-men no matter what the anti-Claremonts can say, Claremont is the x-men.
Try too Whedon's astonishing x-men it's respectfull of Claremont's characters and very well done. :)

[Spider69]

And she was not out of the book for 9 months. ;)
By the way the "now" writers aren't tallentless, they are just unrespectful of the characters and of their own predecessors. :(
And it's better not begin to talk about the simple logic. :o
To'Shay....They heve no respect at all...... :(

[Charagon]

They Grey Goblin doesn't exist.

[Gorakmev]

They Grey Goblin doesn't exist.

Yeah he does. Just look at AMS or SSM. He's there, glider and all.

[Alan2099]

That's just a plot by Mysterio and you can't convince me otherwise.

[Charagon]

Show me an issue with him and I'll show you an issue that didn't happen.

[Stephane Garrelie]

:evilsmile That's just a plot by Mysterio and you can't convince me otherwise.that or the Jackal. Did he dead or was it a clone? Who know except Prof Warren? Wathever, for me the twins are Conway's Gwen's clone's children. :evilsmile

[Spider69]

:evilsmile that or the Jackal. Did he dead or was it a clone? Who know except Prof Warren? Wathever, for me the twins are Conway's Gwen's clone's children. :evilsmile
That seems like a more logical conclusion; well......as logical as you can get with Spider-man anyways.......

[cable guy]

They Grey Goblin doesn't exist.

I heard there is a Yellow and Pink Goblin as well.

[Baron Banter]

:evilsmile that or the Jackal. Did he dead or was it a clone? Who know except Prof Warren? Wathever, for me the twins are Conway's Gwen's clone's children. :evilsmile

Actually Warren was completely innocent. It was his lab assistant who had plastic surgery to look like Warren for when he was unmasked. In actuallity, Warren was the body that ended up being dropped in the stack. :rolleyes:

[Haiku Ninja]

The whole Sins Past/Sins Remembered/Sins Whatever stories are just ploys. Spidey'll find out it's all a lie and the Jackle was behind it, but then he'll find out the Jackle is still really dead and it's all actually a ploy put on be the original Mysterio who isn't actually dead but who is actually posing as the second Mysterio who's actually Pete and MJ's child FROM THE FUTURE and is also a robot somehow. Then the Gwen clone will come back and she and the robo-future-Mysterijackle Parker will have a robot-clone-whatever baby and that baby will be sent back in time by Dr. Octopus (who is actually working for Harry Osborne, brough back as a ghost possesing the Venom alien which is how it learned to talk outloud whenever it learned to do that) and that baby will grow up to be none other than Uncle Ben and it'll all be really deep. I bet you $20.

[The Mirrorball Man]

I'm really looking forward to the inevitable Grey Goblin / Spidercide team-up. This will be Spider-Man's finest hour, we can be sure of that.

[milhouse123321]

Oh dear God!!!
I thought Gwen was with Harry... NOT NORMAN!!!!
But he's old...
wow, I never really saw why this story sucked (I obviously didn't read it) but now I kinda get it...
That's just fucked up..

[sony]

I personally think that JMS was just fufilling some fantasy he had....since Norman was about 30 years older than Gwen and JMS I believe is in his early 50s.

I am sure that middle aged guys have fantasies about nubile barely legal girls all the time, but most of them don't write comics.