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FunkyGreenJerusalem
03-24-2005, 08:47 PM
Just after the elections (if memory serves me correct, maybe just before) the AustralianFedral Health Minister, Tony Abbot, decided that he had problems with the number of Abortions in Australia, and decided to speak out.
For some background on Abbot he belongs to the conservative party currently in power in Australia, and a commited Christian.
This worried a lot of non-christian people, but made the christians who are becoming a growing powerblock for the (ironically named) Liberal party happy.
(This should be sounding familiar to American posters).
Anyway, his arguement was that more people should conisder adoption as an option - and revealed that thats what he and a girlfriend he had at universtiy did when she got pregnant.
They gave the child up for adoption, never to be heard of again, and it grieved him a great deal.

Anyway it all started a bit of hoo-ha and the abortion debate was suddenly back in play - with basically every non-christian politician who wasn't in his party refusing to budge on the current laws - which is a pretty big thing to get past in Australia as all states are controlled by the (apparently) left-wing Labour party (who since are basically threatening to ignore anything Fedral government says due to the national treasurer trying to gain more power over state spending - breaking a pre-existing agreement with the states).

With me?

Anyway it was revealed that a month or so later that the child was now a journalist who actually worked covering parliment house, and they actually new each other and were trying to find a way to adjust their lives.
A great moral tale on why adoption is always better than abortion really.

But then it came out, and god do I love it (I'm in Abbots seat and can't stand the man) that the baby that was given up for adoption wasn't his at all - DNA tests revealed that Abbots missing son wasn't abbots at all and the girlfriend had been a little more wild at uni than he had - and it all ties in to comic books:
Plea for privacy as media frenzy goes on
March 25 2005


The real father of the child Tony Abbott and his former girlfriend gave up for adoption as university students is working on the Melbourne set of Hollywood blockbuster Ghost Rider.

The Sydney-based father of two lives with his son and daughter in Manly. But he learnt last week that he was also the father of Daniel O'Connor, the son given up for adoption 27 years ago by Mr Abbott and his former girlfriend, Kathy Donnelly.

DNA tests proved that Bill Kensell, 47, a former housemate of Ms Donnelly, was the real father.

Ms Donnelly said the man, who she referred to as Bill, had phoned her because he saw pictures of Mr O'Connor in the media and thought he looked remarkably like his own son. Until then Mr Abbott, the federal Health Minister, believed he was the biological father.

The man's ex-wife said yesterday:

"This is a whole load of stuff which is no one else's business. We are just nobodies."



And just for kicks I'll point out that the real father also lives in Tony Abbots seat.
I do feel a bit mean for laughing, but it was such a low move to swing symapthy for a cause to bring his own life and beliefs into fedral politics that I hope it stands as a lesson to all.
(and it also makes me proud that a small country like us can give America a run at times for convulted politcal stories.

Michael P
03-24-2005, 08:54 PM
Funny story, but his ignorance doesn't take away any validity from his point that adoption is worth considering for mothers who are facing an unwanted pregnancy.

Wesley Dodds
03-24-2005, 09:07 PM
Unless there's a God, in which case the moral thing to do is have an abortion and send the babe unspoiled to Heaven. :p

Michael P
03-24-2005, 09:09 PM
Unless there's a God, in which case the moral thing to do is have an abortion and send the babe unspoiled to Heaven. :pOkay, I know you were joking, but as an adopted-coulda-been-aborted baby myself, I didn't find it all that funny.

Nate C.
03-24-2005, 09:09 PM
It's not as simple as him just thinking the boy was his, is it?

meethraa
03-24-2005, 09:09 PM
Women DO have that option without outlawing abortion, so the man really doesn't have a point.

Sam A. Robrin
03-24-2005, 09:10 PM
Unless there's a God, in which case the moral thing to do is have an abortion and send the babe unspoiled to Heaven. :pNo, because the babies haven't been baptized, so they'll spend Eternity wailing and gnashing their teeth (well, gums, I suppose . . .). God is love, you know . . .

Wesley Dodds
03-24-2005, 09:11 PM
Okay, I know you were joking, but as an adopted-coulda-been-aborted baby myself, I didn't find it all that funny.

Yeah, I'm not being serious.

But still, I find it strange that the people who believe in God and the soul are anti-abortion and that the people who don't believe in God are pro-abortion. Shouldn't it be the other way around? Abort the baby and send the soul straight unsinning to Heaven.

It's the athiests who should have an existential crisis about abortion.

Michael P
03-24-2005, 09:11 PM
Women DO have that option without outlawing abortion, so the man really doesn't have a point.
Was he pushing for outlawing abortion, or just using his position to increase public awareness of the possible alternatives? 'Cause Funky's story sounded more like the latter.

Nate C.
03-24-2005, 09:12 PM
Okay, I know you were joking, but as an adopted-coulda-been-aborted baby myself, I didn't find it all that funny.

Yeah, I'm not being serious.

But still, I find it strange that the people who believe in God and the soul are anti-abortion and that the people who don't believe in God are pro-abortion. Shouldn't it be the other way around? Abort the baby and send the soul straight unsinning to Heaven.

It's the athiests who should have an existential crisis about abortion.



It's not about the afterlife. It's about the value of an individual human being.

Wesley Dodds
03-24-2005, 09:13 PM
It's not as simple as him just thinking the boy was his, is it?

What's a Catholic doing going around having sex, anyway?

Michael P
03-24-2005, 09:13 PM
But still, I find it strange that the people who believe in God and the soul are anti-abortion and that the people who don't believe in God are pro-abortion. Shouldn't it be the other way around? Abort the baby and send the soul straight unsinning to Heaven.

It's the athiests who should have an existential crisis about abortion.
No disagreement there. As Carlin said, "Go look for consistency in organized religion."

Wesley Dodds
03-24-2005, 09:14 PM
It's not about the afterlife. It's about the value of an individual human being.

Surely eternal life for the unborn is a greater value than its life in this veil of tears and the very real possibility of damnation?

MacQuarrie
03-24-2005, 09:15 PM
Women DO have that option without outlawing abortion, so the man really doesn't have a point.
It's very hard to make that choice when everybody you know says "why don't you just abort it?" It takes a lot of courage to do the hard thing.

Wesley Dodds
03-24-2005, 09:15 PM
Was he pushing for outlawing abortion, or just using his position to increase public awareness of the possible alternatives? 'Cause Funky's story sounded more like the latter.

They want to outlaw abortion but they have nowhere near enough political support.

meethraa
03-24-2005, 09:16 PM
It's very hard to make that choice when everybody you know says "why don't you just abort it?" It takes a lot of courage to do the hard thing.
Sorry, but I find it very hard to see abortion as an easy thing.

Wesley Dodds
03-24-2005, 09:18 PM
Sorry, but I find it very hard to see abortion as an easy thing.

Yeah. All of the girls I've known who've gotten an abortion have been anguished about it.

MacQuarrie
03-24-2005, 09:19 PM
Sorry, but I find it very hard to see abortion as an easy thing.
It's not.

But nine months of pregnancy followed by either an adoption or 18+ years of child-rearing looks a lot harder to most people.

meethraa
03-24-2005, 09:28 PM
It's not.

But nine months of pregnancy followed by either an adoption or 18+ years of child-rearing looks a lot harder to most people.
Okay, I can see that point of view. I don't necessarily agree, but I can see it.

FunkyGreenJerusalem
03-24-2005, 09:53 PM
Was he pushing for outlawing abortion, or just using his position to increase public awareness of the possible alternatives? 'Cause Funky's story sounded more like the latter.

It was a feeler.
They basically brought the debate back out of no where when Abbot decided to have his big sob.
If they thought they could get any support for it they would have tried.

But I believe polls showed most people weren't that keen on changing the laws, and all the states refused to be pulled into the debate.

It was hilarious attempt at trying to use his personal life to pull an issue the way he wanted it to go, and now he's laughing stock.

Nate C.
03-24-2005, 09:59 PM
But did he really think the boy was his, or did he intentionally mislead the public?

Wesley Dodds
03-24-2005, 10:00 PM
But did he really think the boy was his, or did he intentionally mislead the public?

He thought the kid was his. He was also a shameless opportunist.

Nate C.
03-24-2005, 10:45 PM
He thought the kid was his. He was also a shameless opportunist.

Politician = Shameless Oportunist.

FunkyGreenJerusalem
03-25-2005, 12:56 PM
Politician = Shameless Oportunist.

Hey, you should see John Brogden, my states opposition leader.

Never an event goes by that he's not there yelling away about the government in power's inaction....

FOR EVERYTHING.

It won't be long before he is doing it about winter being cold.

During in recent riots in a suburb in sydney (youths died in a stolen car after a chase from police sparking a riot in a rough suburb - whilst another youth who was there had gone into hiding), he actually revealed that the police had planted bugs in the missing/fugitive boys parents house to try and get info on where he was.
IMO thats not just obstructing justice, that inciting a riot (well, encouraging one to continue for politcal gain - they lasted about a week).

But he also took the sad tactic to get sympathy or - well I don't know why else he would - but revealed that he couldn't conceive with his wife, due to a problem with him.
Now we all feel sympathetic to a someone dealing with that, but when it's a leading politcian, ahh, the laughs we had.
(they ended up conceiving naturally - I'd say the amount of paper coverage that one got motivated him to give it the ol' college try).

(but then again, he's a known perv as well. My mate lives in his electorate and worked in a viedo shop where Brogden used to come in to get his videos and such.
The girls would go to the back room when he came in and my mate had to serve him, cause he always tried to flirt with and look down the girls tops.)