THE OMAC PROJECT - Speculation & Spoilers [Archive]

BigKenW

02-16-2005, 11:33 AM

Hey All,

I heard Sasha Bordeaux will be back, presumably with Checkmate in the OMAC project. Has anyone heard anything about this?

I also heard she will start popping up in NON-Bat books soon.

Any news? She was my favorite new character until the bumped her into Checkmate.

- Ken

kash

02-16-2005, 11:41 AM

yes she will be appearing in Rucka's OMAC Mini (confirmed in May Solicits)

pennywisdom

02-16-2005, 11:44 AM

I enjoyed her a lot, as well. She will be returning in OMAC, as you mentioned.

I'm excited about this upcoming project for one reason: Greg Rucka. Obviously, he created and gave life to Sasha's character, but as anyone who has read his novels knows, he is adept at spy/espionage thrillers. Having Sasha join Checkmate was probably not a coincidence. That style is Rucka's stock in trade.

To quote one of the DC editors (I forget who. Apologies if they're reading this): "Greg Rucka and Checkmate were made for each other."

Lotus

02-16-2005, 11:48 AM

Female main character, spy/thriller setting, Greg Rucka...Queen and Country anyone?

Lex

02-16-2005, 09:34 PM

Er.... who?

BigKenW

02-16-2005, 09:45 PM

Well I hope thats the case. That run of Detective Comics was one of the best.

If what your saying is true about Sasha, that means that Identity Crisis and everything upcoming was planned years ago.

Lets hope that Rucka goes with a similar artist to the one he had on Detective. Something with that dark purple/brown thing.

BigKenW

02-16-2005, 09:46 PM

Oh yeah, any guesses as to whose side she is on?

Expletive Deleted

02-16-2005, 09:51 PM

Er.... who?A supporting character from Rucka's DETECTIVE COMICS run. She was Bruce's bodyguard for a while (hired by his company), discovered his secret, went to prison during the whole "Murderer/Fugitive" thing, and was written out of the series when she went to work for Checkmate.

Or something like that. I only read a few issues involving her, so I may not be 100% on the proper sequence.

BigKenW

02-16-2005, 10:03 PM

A supporting character from Rucka's DETECTIVE COMICS run. She was Bruce's bodyguard for a while (hired by his company), discovered his secret, went to prison during the whole "Murderer/Fugitive" thing, and was written out of the series when she went to work for Checkmate.

Or something like that. I only read a few issues involving her, so I may not be 100% on the proper sequence.

Not totally off. She was Bruce's bodyguard. And Bruce fell in love with her. Hard. She loved him too. He let her in where no-one else could go. She assumed the cape identity of "The Cover" and went out at night with the Batman. Alfred even setup the house for the holidays for the first time in years because he sensed happiness in Bruce. The Murderer/Fugitive thing had her taking a fall for Bruce and Checkmate getting her out. Huntress tried to rescue her from Checkmate but failed in Gotham Knights. She eventually became the "Queen" in Checkmate and runs the program. She also had plastic surgery to look like someone else to protect her identity. Her and Bruce met once after and he tried to get her to stay with him. She wouldn't at that point.

The Xenos

02-17-2005, 05:28 AM

Man, if only Landronn was doing more than just the covers. I forget who the interior artist is. It is nice to see Sasha back. Though this is espionage, it sounds quite different from Queen & Country as well it should be. That reminds me, I am so freaking behind on Q&C it's not funny.

-Xenos

Joe no Sleep

02-17-2005, 11:40 AM

The Murderer/Fugitive thing had her taking a fall for Bruce and Checkmate getting her out. Huntress tried to rescue her from Checkmate but failed in Gotham Knights. She eventually became the "Queen" in Checkmate and runs the program. .

What issue was this? I thought Huntress was "Queen" of Checkmate, or has that been written out?

berk

02-17-2005, 01:09 PM

I don't thimk the OMAC concept fits well with the regular DCU - Batman, Superman, and all that stuff. I'd have a lot more interest in this project if they'd left the OMAC world to itself.

Lotus

02-17-2005, 03:16 PM

What issue was this? I thought Huntress was "Queen" of Checkmate, or has that been written out?

According to the DCU Encyclopedia there are regional Queens and Kings in Checkmate now.

Xero

02-18-2005, 06:29 AM

The first appearance of the OMAC Project that i've seen, is in this month's Birds of Prey #79, page 13.

I miss Checkmate, have every single issue of the original series.

Captain Jim

02-18-2005, 06:03 PM

Sorry, I thought the original Checkmate series was boring as all get out. :(

josh straightedge

02-18-2005, 09:26 PM

Another book by Rucka about a female? I'll pass...

BigKenW

02-19-2005, 07:00 PM

What issue was this? I thought Huntress was "Queen" of Checkmate, or has that been written out?

Huntress got out of Checkmate at the same time as when she tried to get Sasha out.

As for OMAC, what the heck is it? I didn't know it existed before this new upcoming book, and I haven't gotten the new BoP yet.

Expletive Deleted

02-19-2005, 07:26 PM

As for OMAC, what the heck is it? I didn't know it existed before this new upcoming book, and I haven't gotten the new BoP yet.The current version involves the government monitoring superhumans. We don't really know much about it, yet. The "appearance" in BoP is foreboding and all, but it's not particularly edifying.

The name, though, comes from a classic Kirby character.

http://image.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/fullsize/58732976506.7.GIF

And here's an image from the early '90s revival.

http://image.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/fullsize/58734907940.1.GIF

No idea if or how this concept is related to the classic version, though.

Joe no Sleep

02-23-2005, 12:04 PM

The current version involves the government monitoring superhumans. We don't really know much about it, yet. The "appearance" in BoP is foreboding and all, but it's not particularly edifying.

The name, though, comes from a classic Kirby character.

http://image.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/fullsize/58732976506.7.GIF

And here's an image from the early '90s revival.

http://image.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/fullsize/58734907940.1.GIF

No idea if or how this concept is related to the classic version, though.

OMAC's latest appearance was in Bryne's superman/batman GENERATIONS 3, ISSUES 2-4. Byrne's idea was that Kamandi's world was caused by the event's in Omac and that Omac is an ancestor of Kamandi, who gets to have a daughter at some point. That's the extent of my knowledge about either.

Joe no Sleep

02-23-2005, 12:05 PM

Sorry, I thought the original Checkmate series was boring as all get out. :(

That would fit with my experience reading anything written by Paul Kupperberg. Ever try his POWER GIRL mini-series? zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzz :eek:

Captain Jim

02-23-2005, 08:49 PM

Not a lot of information here, but it is interesting. Check it out at Newsarama (http://www.newsarama.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=28181).

berk

02-24-2005, 05:15 AM

Dounds to me like they've taken a very interesting concept from Kirby's original series, and incorporated it into the mainstream, Batman/Superman-dominated DCU, which I think will divest that original Kirby concept of most of what made it cool in the first place. Again.

Deathstroke

02-24-2005, 05:26 AM

The series sounds great, but I'm worried that they are going to screw up the DCU rather than enhance it.

No concrete reason why I think this, it's just a feeling.

Windbreaker

02-24-2005, 07:24 AM

I doubt I'll pick up all the spin-offs, but OMAC is one that I will definitely try.

pennywisdom

02-24-2005, 09:09 AM

As I mentioned before, I'm excited for this project because I'm a fan of Greg Rucka, but I hate the whole "Big Brother" angle. It's the same reason I hate Ultimate SHIELD and Ultimate Nick Fury. Hopefully, in Rucka's world, the clandestine, omnipotent, shadow entity is the BAD guy.

hi! Lord Fear

03-24-2005, 08:30 PM

In today's Newsarama-- Rucka elaborates on Omac Project

http://newsarama.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=30235

Paul Newell

04-01-2005, 11:36 PM

Just making some Mega-Threads for discussion of each Countdown spin-off. This is the place to talk about The OMAC Project!

juz

04-02-2005, 03:35 AM

Lex

04-02-2005, 09:23 AM

Read the six page preview here:http://www.dccomics.com/features/countdown_the_omac_project/intro.php
It seems Sasha Bordeaux is still good and trying to stop Maxwell Lord and it seems Blue Beetle is dead, dead. :) :(

@#&$! I knew I shouldn't have read that preview. Now I'm actually interested in the OMAC Project. Dangit!

Adam Crocker

04-02-2005, 08:45 PM

No idea if or how this concept is related to the classic version, though.

So far it seems like it's the Brother Eye satellite and the term "One Man Army Corps." As it stands the book seems to have little to do with the original.

Adam Crocker

04-02-2005, 08:50 PM

OMAC's latest appearance was in Bryne's superman/batman GENERATIONS 3, ISSUES 2-4. Byrne's idea was that Kamandi's world was caused by the event's in Omac and that Omac is an ancestor of Kamandi, who gets to have a daughter at some point. That's the extent of my knowledge about either.

I also heard that he made OMAC an descendent of Superman.

Dounds to me like they've taken a very interesting concept from Kirby's original series, and incorporated it into the mainstream, Batman/Superman-dominated DCU, which I think will divest that original Kirby concept of most of what made it cool in the first place. Again.

Hey now. DC's gotta renew it's copyrights SOMEHOW! And if it means raping a perfectly original story and concept for an inter-company crossover, so be it.

-- Adam Crocker;
Who would much rather see an Omac series by Paul Pope based on that Solo story.

Sheldon

04-04-2005, 08:12 PM

Damn poor beetlecremated and everything

Ronald Bryan

04-04-2005, 09:49 PM

Damn poor beetlecremated and everything
Maybe he'll come back as the Blue Phoenix now. And they can even give him a clone, the Goblin Beetle.

Sheldon

04-05-2005, 06:28 AM

I think he'll become the new Pariah....complete with goofy cloak and purple hair.

Paul Newell

04-13-2005, 10:42 PM

Added this to the rules last night, but I thought I'd post it in the particular threads to let you guys know what's going on:
I just noticed that the four mini series tying into Countdown are staggered so that there'll be a different issue each week.
So we can showcase and focus discussion on each of the four, we've decided for the week an issue is released to sticky the mega-thread for that particular mini. After a week it'll be replaced by the next and so on. Hopefully this will cut down on duplicate discussion and make things a bit interesting for you guys. :)

Sean Dulaney

04-14-2005, 06:39 AM

OMAC's latest appearance was in Bryne's superman/batman GENERATIONS 3, ISSUES 2-4. Byrne's idea was that Kamandi's world was caused by the event's in Omac and that Omac is an ancestor of Kamandi, who gets to have a daughter at some point. That's the extent of my knowledge about either.

Actually I think the OMAC/Kamandi tie-in was Kirby's as Buddy Blank was the grandfather who sent Kamandi out into the world. Never read the Byrne prestige series. Kirby's storyline was picked up* in back up's in Kamandi (art by Jim Starlin) but only one or two stories ran before the DC Implossion cancelled the book. I think the back-up storyline was finally resolved in the DC Comics Presents Superman/OMAC issue drawn by Perez.

[*Okay, technically they just picked up from the fate of OMAC and Brother Eye since Kirby gave that last story a pretty definate ending.]

Kirayoshi

04-14-2005, 10:37 AM

Damn poor beetlecremated and everything
Yeah, just like Peter Rasputin, and...well you know how that turned out. Maybe there's hope for the poor sod.

Chango

04-15-2005, 11:09 AM

In Superman:For Tomorrow which is a year from now. They created Omac 4 or 5 i forget. And I believe Eqquis is the prior one? Now if you see the preview the computer says "creator". And wasnt there a point where Batman listed all the methods of taking down each hero just in case the time ever came?

Batman=created OMAC=erased all files ???

Rich L

04-18-2005, 12:20 AM

I just read Greg Rucka's interview here at CBR - very interesting stuff, especially regarding the rift between Supes and Bats; I had assumed that Superman didn't know about the League mindwiping Batman...there are some things I'd assume he wouldn't turn a blind eye to.

Also...Rucka says: "There's an argument in the law that says you can't have a murder unless you have a body. In fact you can't even have a murder unless you have the head

Just wondering - is this still the case in US law? Here in the UK we had our first conviction for murder without a body or a witness, based solely on forensics, back in 1988ish. It was in my home town - we have an abnormally high murder rate for such a small village. Must be something in the water.

kossori

04-18-2005, 12:44 AM

BigKenW

04-18-2005, 10:15 AM

I only glanced at the interview. saw the pages with Dmitri (another fan-favorite Giffen/DeMatteis JLI character) and between what I saw there and the fates of both Beetle and Max I'm convinced not to read it.

I think you are doing yourself a disservice. I think what will come from the books will be very interesting.

JimmyDee

04-18-2005, 02:49 PM

Rucka convinced me to buy the book based on this interview alone. He's got such a casual style in interviews that he sucks me right in. I also think he's got a better grasp of who and what Batman is compared to most.

I love reading interviews with the guy - it always seems like he lets out a bit of news that he probably shouldn't.

Captain Jim

04-18-2005, 05:42 PM

BigKenW

04-18-2005, 06:02 PM

I loved almost everything Rucka did with Batman while he was writing Detective. Loved Sasha too. I'm definitely in for this.

P.S. Make sure you read the Rucka interview on the CBR main page if you haven't already.

I never realized that the Detective run with Sasha was Rucka's it's still my favorite run of titles on the main Batman books, maybe ever. I loved the three or four tone pages in purple, brown, white, and black. Quality of Detective fell off right after that. Just before Bruce Wayne Murderer.

Corrina

04-18-2005, 07:18 PM

But it was Rucka who was the driving force behind Bruce Wayne: Murderer.

Not that I didn't enjoy the early parts of his run, particulary the single issue Montoya story and the Mad Hatter arc, but just pointing out he bears responsibility for what I see as a big, honking mess, especially in how he wrapped up things with Sasha.

Kid Seven

04-19-2005, 10:38 AM

I think he'll become the new Pariah....complete with goofy cloak and purple hair.

LOL. That would be pretty ironic, considering how much of one they cast him as in "Countdown".

"You viewed me as an outcast. Now I really AM one!! Woh is me...."

ducklord

04-19-2005, 10:55 AM

After reading Rucka's interview, I'm making a prediction:

Skeets is the key to the big reversal that happens before the third act.

Until then, "Brother I" is merely a tool created by Batman, then usurped by Max Lord. A lump of metal and wires that does its master's bidding.

But Skeets, whose circuits were plundered to create Brother I, is a sentient robot from the future. I predict that by the fifth issue Skeets'll re-assert his sentience, transforming "Brother I" into "Brother Eye," and using his knowledge of the future to protect the past via Omac.

Or maybe not,
Mike.

BoosterBronze

04-19-2005, 11:05 AM

This might have been said before, but I couldnt find it.

Does anyone else notice the similarity between Max Lord/OMAC/Countdown etc. and whats been going down on "JLU" cartoons with the conspiracies? Is this a coincidence or synergy?

TCJohnson

04-19-2005, 11:11 AM

In an interview Rucka said other members of the JLI will be appearing in OMAC. Looks like they will be getting rid of the rest now.

TCJohnson

04-19-2005, 11:14 AM

Just wondering - is this still the case in US law? Here in the UK we had our first conviction for murder without a body or a witness, based solely on forensics, back in 1988ish. It was in my home town - we have an abnormally high murder rate for such a small village. Must be something in the water.

I was just recently reading an article of somebody in Virginia who is in prison for the murder of his wife...even though they never found her body.

Astonishing X-Fan

04-19-2005, 12:59 PM

"In an interview Rucka said other members of the JLI will be appearing in OMAC. Looks like they will be getting rid of the rest now."

Because appearing in the story means they will be killed. Oh wait, I forgot, there's some giant conspiracy against the creative team behind JLI.

TCJohnson

04-19-2005, 01:18 PM

No, because these writers have to make their stories grim and gritty, and dont know how to make stories "realistic" without killing off as many minor characters as they can.

I also expect them to kill off Ragman and BlueDevil in Day of Vengence.

Forsaken_One

04-19-2005, 02:11 PM

GremlinClr

04-19-2005, 02:14 PM

BigKenW

04-19-2005, 05:25 PM

In an interview Rucka said other members of the JLI will be appearing in OMAC. Looks like they will be getting rid of the rest now.

Nah, you are going to see the misfits save the day (although, I think Rocket Red and G'nort are doomed).

Booster Gold, Guy Gardner, Elongated Man, and Fire are going to kill Max. And they are gonna do it in a cold, vengeful way. Either that or Sasha will, but I am really hoping its Elongated Man or Booster Gold pulling the trigger. I don't see Guy doing it, although, it would play more into his, "be a man and do what needs to be done" machismo he was throwing at Superman in Action Comics before Rebirth.

Here is another odd one. Any bets on if Robin might take out Max?

BigKenW

04-19-2005, 05:27 PM

Ian J.N.

04-19-2005, 06:55 PM

No, because these writers have to make their stories grim and gritty, and dont know how to make stories "realistic" without killing off as many minor characters as they can.
I'm hoping DC's purpose is twofold in this matter: shockvalue on the one hand, springboard into more character development on the other. Yes it sucks that Blue Beetle was the sacrificial lamb, but if it leads to a revamp of Booster Gold, Red Rocket and the like, I think it will have been worth it. Blue Beetle could always be brought back if the fan support is there.

I do think that this Infinite Crisis business is about expanding the DC staple of characters. With the other miniseries, you can see clearly that they've divied up the DCU into categories—space, mystical, villains. Each will give a focused look into the characters within. OMAC appears to be a catch all for the other earthbound heroes (ie. the JLI), utilizing DC's most popular hero, Batman, to draw in readers. To me it seems DC is making a very conscious and systematic effort to develop its properties.

So, I'm optimistic. In a recent Newsarama interview Geoff Johns said that "Dan [Didio] wants to create books focusing on developing the second, third and fourth tier heroes of the DCU." I think the top tiered characters are going to be put through the wringer, while the c-stringers get their chance to really shine (mixaphorically speaking). I'm looking forward to it.

Forsaken_One

04-19-2005, 06:59 PM

Anybody think that BoP is going to play into this? Maybe Oracle and the Brainiac tech? I haven't seen BoP in a few months, need to catch up so don't spoil me.

Brother I seems like the tech that Brainiac would attempt to take over.
Since you don't want me to spoil it for you I'll simply reply: Yes, it will. A "spin off of OMAC" is set for a future Birds of Prey (I don't remember which month, it's in the solicits if you don't consider those spoilers).

TCJohnson

04-19-2005, 07:10 PM

Nah, I don't think so...because none of those characters are written by Johns, Rucka or Winnick or the big 7. To have Booster Gold save the day would make one of their characters not look as heroic. Booster Gold is going to try to avenge Blue Beetle, mess it up, killed to show how dangerous the villian is and be taken out by Martian Manhunter or Superman.

Remember when Didio said that Blue Beetle is going to be the most important character of the year? Well, now he is saying that Booster Gold is going to be an important character. We know what that means.

Sharcque

04-20-2005, 02:32 AM

Read the six page preview here:http://www.dccomics.com/features/countdown_the_omac_project/intro.php
It seems Sasha Bordeaux is still good and trying to stop Maxwell Lord and it seems Blue Beetle is dead, dead. :) :(
If what you're saying is true about Sasha, then why did she stop Blue Beetle from escaping?