Ultimate Thor.. Best Thor Ever?

[Dennis K]

So let me say right up front that I have never, ever been what one would consider a Thor fan. To tell you the truth, I've always found a Thor title to be a pretentious snore. That all changed however, when I started reading the Ultimates. So while it may be a stretch to call the current story arc a dream come true, it's certainly got me hooked. I love this version of Thor, he's a character that I can care about. So while I admit I'm not qualified to say Ultimate Thor is the best ever, I can say he's the my favorite version. What do the rest of you think of Ultimate Thor?

[Metal-Demon]

A very interesting alternative to a classic Marvel character ...

[Alan2099]

Frankly, I hate the guy. Thor's whole appeal has been his much larger than life Godly status. He's above normal human and knows it.

Ultimate Thor comes across as a possibly crazy hippie.

[Neolucifer]

Well i never was much of a Thor fan until the ultimate version and the Jurgens era ("Thor :Lord of Asgard" and everything that came after) came along .

I agree that Ultimate Thor is the most interesting and coolest one ever . Well ,anyway , so far, most bearded Thors rocked :D

[Hipnautik]

Ultimate Thor made me a fan, that is for sure.

He's my favorite ultimate version of any character, to be honest I was getting a little bored of The Ultimates until the story with Thor really captured my interest, now I'm very excited to see what happens, and I'm actually rooting for him!!

Ultimate Thor solo book!!!!!! :D

[Dennis K]

Ultimate Thor solo book!!!!!! :D


I second that idea.. at least a mini-series.

[Tobias March]

Frankly, I hate the guy. Thor's whole appeal has been his much larger than life Godly status. He's above normal human and knows it.

Ultimate Thor comes across as a possibly crazy hippie.

But Christ his dialogue was just atrocious.

It was a relief for Miller to write without this sub-stage English verbiage anymore. So he's crazy - he's got a god in his brain! It's going to get a bit nuts :cool:

[CaptMagellan]

Ultimate Thor is the only comic version of the character that I've liked.

The 616 Thor was unappealing to me in almost every way.

[Melissa]

Ultimate Thor rocks. He's easily the most three-dimensional character in the bunch, and far better than the 616 version.

If a god came down today, how would he speak? He'd use the language of the day.

In fact, the classic Thor speaking in Thees and Thous and forsooths never made sense? The Norse never spoke that way.

[Brian Cronin]

My favorite Thors are, as follows:

1. Simonson Thor
2. Thomas Thor
3. Lee Thor
4. DeFalco Thor
5. Ultimate Thor
6. Jurgens Thor

-Brian

[Dennis K]

My favorite Thors are, as follows:

1. Simonson Thor
2. Thomas Thor
3. Lee Thor
4. DeFalco Thor
5. Ultimate Thor
6. Jurgens Thor

-Brian

How about some issue #'s or years involved? C'mon Brian, help a brother out!

[Neolucifer]

Not that i'm searching for realism , but one of my prob with 616 thor s far , was its overall apparent cheesiness . I'm always under the impression of watching a bodybuilder in a kitch silly costume , rather than a magnificent Viking god warrior !! And so far , in my eyes and heart , only Jurgens and Oeming (and a beard :D ) manage to capture the essence of what he should be , in both look and spirit .

The other ones are just imo about a goldylocks fool in spandex with a mace speaking a stupid language :D . I'll also add that i'm not a fan at all of Eric Masterson and the whole Thunderstrike stuff . I always disliked masterson , but Thunderstrike , after thor was punished for killing Loki was just to much to swallow for my taste .

I Know people wont agree with me , but i even prefer Beta Ray Bill to most versions of 616 Thor .

[Prowler]

Never been a Thor fan. Never been an Avenger's fan. But Millar's Ultimate Thor is, outside of 616 Spider-Man, my favorite Marvel character. I'd buy a solo U. Thor book in a heartbeat. And his confrontation with the Ultimates at the end of #4 was very well done. I hope he wipes the floor with them.

[Brian Cronin]

How about some issue #'s or years involved? C'mon Brian, help a brother out!

Simonson - Thor #337-383
Thomas - Thor #272-291 (plus an earlier run that was also good)
Lee - Journey into Mystery #83-120-something
Defalco - Thor #384 - 330 (then he did Eric Masterson Thor, who was different)
Jurgens - Thor Vol. 2 #1-79

-BRian

[Indigo Al]

I love the Hippy immensely, he's a great creation. But I have to defend 616 Thor. He's a noble, badass Arthurian warrior and I love his look AND his speech. And note I said Arthurian. Were he actually based on the Norse myth personalty-wise, he'd be a dim and rapacious idiot. But he has the manners and bearing of a classical Arthurian knight.

[Jomero]

I too was never interested in regular MU Thor (unless he was getting his butt whooped by Hulk ;-). Actually, I wasn't interested in any of the heroes in The Ultimates line. But, since the Ultimate universe was basically a wiped-clean slate and since so many people raved about the writing and art, I gave it a shot. Now I'm quite interested in Ultimate Captain America, Ultimate Thor, and quite a few others.

[BlackKnight]

I like the ultimate versions ,but they really are not nearly as interesting as the orginals in my opinion. I guess it is just different strokes for different fokes.

[CaptMagellan]

"Were he actually based on the Norse myth personalty-wise, he'd be a dim and rapacious idiot."

Not if you take the entire body of lore and myth into account (which admittedly would be hard for comic book writers who weren't dedicated specialists in Germanic Studies).

Yes, the mythic Thor is straightforward and physical in his approaches to problems (the Eddic poem 'Harbarthsjloth' displays the differences between him and Odhinn clearly).

And yes, his anger is legendary. But he's not dim-witted as shown in Alvissmal when the Dwarf Alvis (all-wise) comes to claim Thor's daughter as his bride. Thor, not wanting his daughter to marry a dwarf, occupies the dwarf in a battle of knowledge and wisdom meeting the 'all-wise' dwarf point for point until morning when the sun rises and turns the dwarf to stone.

Showing that Thor not only had quite a bit of educated knowledge but also the cunningness necessary to outwit the dwarf, turning him to stone.

But most interestingly, for Ultimate Thor fans, are the folktales that popped up in Scandinavia during the Christian conversion led by King Olav Trygvasson. Trygvasson forcibly converted heathens by whatever means necessary, including documented cases of metal bowls filled with red hot metal being placed on the abdomens of his victims until they either converted or died.

Also, in actual practice of the cults, Thor was considered the average person's defending god. His hammer (or a symbolic representation) was used to hallow wedding ceremonies and fields. One of his kennings translates into "Friend of Man". He was as close to a 'superhero' as a Norse god could get.

During this time Christ was known as the Hvitakrist (White Christ) and his enemy in the tales of the time was Red Thorr (due to his red beard). As the oppressive forces of Trygvasson swept across the lands, stories would pop up of Red Thor appearing to fight against the forces of the white christ.

In it's own way, these stories are very similar to the way Millar is portraying Ult. Thor. A fighter for the people against a (perceived) imperialistic force bent on taking over the world against the people's best interests.

I've read more than a few posts over the last few years saying that the mythic Thor wouldn't act anything like Ult. Thor and I disagree. Depending on the 'truth' of the situation, if the military/industrial complex is as corrupt as Millar is possibly portraying it (we're really not going to know what his fictional 'truth' is until his run is done and even then maybe not), I think Thor would see that complex as another manifestation of the same 'evil' that manifested in Trygvasson's time and would act the same way he did then.

[Titan Slade]

The 616 Thor is no more interesting than Gilgamesh, or any of the other god-like characters in the 616 universe, except for HERCULES(he rules). So put me down for a vote on the Ultimate Thor being much better than the 616 version.

[Metal-Demon]

Awesome post, Capt.!! :)

[Neolucifer]

I agree with everything you said CaptMagellan . Ultimate Thor is as worthy , if not more than the 616 one , of the thor mythos .

The 616 Thor is no more interesting than Gilgamesh, or any of the other god-like characters in the 616 universe, except for HERCULES(he rules). So put me down for a vote on the Ultimate Thor being much better than the 616 version.

I agree as well (except for hercule so far) . With the exception of a few stories (like the jurgens , oeming ones i mentioned) 616 Thor is imo just another powered guy with an asgardian god as a theme . Sorry , I still cant seriously consider him , most of the time , as a viking god , for both look and spirit reasons .

[CaptMagellan]

Thanks guys.

Another point about Ult. Thor's environmental leanings.... what else would you expect from a god whose mother is literally the Earth?

The name Gerdh (Thor's mother), properly pronounced gerTH (with a hard TH sound), is linguistically connected to our modern english word Earth even.

Anyone who doesn't think he's going to have an environmental bent is saying that he's a poor son ;)

[Moses]

I MUCH prefer U.Thor, in fact U.Thor's one of my favourite character's in comics today. 616 Thor's just, well, boring. I think someone said something like this on the first page, but it's the same reason I've never liked Superman, they're just boring because they're so godlike (duh, obviously in Thor's case). I like my heroes fallible, it makes for more interesting reading.

[tricksterpup]

He is cool enough, I would buy him a beer. :D

[Indigo Al]

"Were he actually based on the Norse myth personalty-wise, he'd be a dim and rapacious idiot."

Not if you take the entire body of lore and myth into account (which admittedly would be hard for comic book writers who weren't dedicated specialists in Germanic Studies).

Yes, the mythic Thor is straightforward and physical in his approaches to problems (the Eddic poem 'Harbarthsjloth' displays the differences between him and Odhinn clearly).

And yes, his anger is legendary. But he's not dim-witted as shown in Alvissmal when the Dwarf Alvis (all-wise) comes to claim Thor's daughter as his bride. Thor, not wanting his daughter to marry a dwarf, occupies the dwarf in a battle of knowledge and wisdom meeting the 'all-wise' dwarf point for point until morning when the sun rises and turns the dwarf to stone.

Showing that Thor not only had quite a bit of educated knowledge but also the cunningness necessary to outwit the dwarf, turning him to stone.

But most interestingly, for Ultimate Thor fans, are the folktales that popped up in Scandinavia during the Christian conversion led by King Olav Trygvasson. Trygvasson forcibly converted heathens by whatever means necessary, including documented cases of metal bowls filled with red hot metal being placed on the abdomens of his victims until they either converted or died.

Also, in actual practice of the cults, Thor was considered the average person's defending god. His hammer (or a symbolic representation) was used to hallow wedding ceremonies and fields. One of his kennings translates into "Friend of Man". He was as close to a 'superhero' as a Norse god could get.

During this time Christ was known as the Hvitakrist (White Christ) and his enemy in the tales of the time was Red Thorr (due to his red beard). As the oppressive forces of Trygvasson swept across the lands, stories would pop up of Red Thor appearing to fight against the forces of the white christ.

In it's own way, these stories are very similar to the way Millar is portraying Ult. Thor. A fighter for the people against a (perceived) imperialistic force bent on taking over the world against the people's best interests.

I've read more than a few posts over the last few years saying that the mythic Thor wouldn't act anything like Ult. Thor and I disagree. Depending on the 'truth' of the situation, if the military/industrial complex is as corrupt as Millar is possibly portraying it (we're really not going to know what his fictional 'truth' is until his run is done and even then maybe not), I think Thor would see that complex as another manifestation of the same 'evil' that manifested in Trygvasson's time and would act the same way he did then.

Hey Magellan, can you point me to some sources for those folktales during the King Olavv days? And great post.

[Knightmare]

I'm loving the Ultimate U. Thor- I tihnk he may be my favorite Ultimate version of any of the characters. MU's version always seemed kinda of cheesy ( though I missed Ragnarok- and lovign Norse myth would have loved to have read it). The Thor in the 4 issue Loki mini I enjoyed- I thought they hit it right one. But the UM Thor is just a big question mark. Everything points to the fact that he's just a crazy bastard- but if you look at it- he still might not be. And either way- he's doing the things he does trying to revolve them around Nordic myth. Not to mention they language change and coustume change have helped. MU's Thor's coustume is just really...I don't know-- just seems to not create a Nordic embrass with me.

[Karl J. Barnes]

My favorite Thors are, as follows:

1. Simonson Thor
2. Thomas Thor
3. Lee Thor
4. DeFalco Thor
5. Ultimate Thor
6. Jurgens Thor

-Brian

What no mention of Gaimen's version of Thor in Sandman???

[Huzzah!]

Freaking love ultimate Thor. I want him to kick ultimates' ass so bad.

And like i think most Ultimate titles they seem to attract fans to a character they never liked.

Plus he has a beard, as a good thor should

Plus it helps that the ultimate universe is pretty evil. Sentinel attacking mutants in open daylight and all that.

[Lurch]

I love Ultimate Thor and Ultimate Cap. They are by far the two most interesting characters in the series, with Thor at the forefront. As a child reading Thor comics, The whole Donald Blake/Thor thing confused me to no end.

I think this take on the character is much more interesting, leaving the reader to make their own suppositions as to whether or not he really is the real deal or simply some mutant/mystic with a big hammer and a lot of delusions. Actually, I'll most likely be disappointed when the final reveal comes down, because I much prefer the mystery of it all.

[CaptMagellan]

"Hey Magellan, can you point me to some sources for those folktales during the King Olavv days? And great post."

The most accessible source in english that I'm aware of is "Scandinavian Myths" by Professor H. R. Ellis Davidson. I think it's out of print but most library systems carry it because it's a large coffee table type book with cool pictures.

The last chapter is dedicated to the time of the Christian conversion. There are some brief synopses of tales about White Christ vs. Red Thorr as well as a couple where Odhinn gets involved.

And a truly tragic tale where a farmer related what happened to a friendly land spirit when the new priest came by to bless the land with holy water.

"Why was that man pouring boiling water on me and my family?" :(

[Alan2099]

No. Not all of Ultimate Marvel is pale imitations. Some of it is completle basterdizations.

[Harold of the Rocks]

I personally LOVE Ultimate Thor. Finally a spin on the god that is interesting. He's so f'ing opinionated and backs his beliefs up with action. Instead of "I say thee, nay!", we get "Leave these people alone.". And my personal opinion is that he IS a god, and Loki is f'ing with the rest of the team. After they are all comatose, they will get it, and the smack will be headed Loki's way. Think about it... if he were a fake, how would he know about events he wasn't present at (such as the meeting with 'Gunnar', or (going back to first series) Banner's "file" -- I got your file right here - pointing to head)? Ultimate Thor is going to DEE-STROY the rest of the team...but he doesn't want to. Oh, and btw, RedStateCap, your argument about Quicksilver is lame. If he was not attacking Thor, why did he end up about 3 feet away from him? It was definitely a pre-emptive strike. Your argument about him running tangentally holds no water when you see where 'Q' ends up -- right at Thor's feet. Think about it, Mr. Intellectual Honesty -- start seeing the forest for the trees... 'Nuff Said'. ;)

[Dennis K]

Ultimate Thor is going to DEE-STROY the rest of the team...but he doesn't want to.


Only because Ultimate Hulk isn't there.

[Harold of the Rocks]

...And your point? Ultimate Hulk was never a 'member' (tee hee heee I said member) of the Ultimates. Even if he were, my odds are on Thor. Aside fron the Hulk, everybody else is an inconvenience. Wait and see. ;)

[Dennis K]

...And your point? Ultimate Hulk was never a 'member' (tee hee heee I said member) of the Ultimates. Even if he were, my odds are on Thor. Aside fron the Hulk, everybody else is an inconvenience. Wait and see. ;)


I seem to recall an run in between Hulk and Thor in the first Ultimate arc, one in which Thor repeatedly slams Hulk with his hammer after Hulk has already faced the rest of the Ultimates, and yet Thor gets bounced pretty darn quick. No contest, it's Ultimate Hulk. ;)

[Harold of the Rocks]

- I don't recall Banner getting the formal 'invite' unless you qualify a boot in the face from Cap as one. So the argument that the Ultimates could not take down Thor stands as I see it... ;) "Thor Smash!" ;)

[Cayman]

I don't know if Ultimate Thor is the best Thor ever but he's easily the most interesting Ultimate reinvention so far. He's the character I'd most like to see get a mini.

Cay

[KAy]

Ultimate Thor is easily the best Thor ever and one of the best comic characters in the history of comics.

[Dussan]

I feel the same way.

I thought the Ultimates where assholes, but I'm loving all these guys now. I read a couple Avengers books and didn't violently dry heave like I normally do.

I find Captain America appealing
Iron Man damn likable in a "I'm good looking rich, super smart, ANNND I'm a kick ass super hero. LIFE IS GREAT!" kind of attitude. I love that about Ultimate Tony Stark. The guy has this outstanding outlook, he is always smiling.
Wasp is cool as hell.
Pym is actually worth reading about and isn't a snore.
Banner, I am so completely sympathetic to this guy it's sad. I want him go Hulk and stomp a mudhole in Cap America and the other poeple that piss Banner off.

Betty Ross, after her tearful good bye to Banner is a fav.

And Nick Fury. I thought MU Nick Fury was just an underused worthless Marvel icon. I look Ultimate Nick Fury and I'm like, "What if Samuel L. Jackson ran the most elite covert defense initiative on the planet with a budget the size of our gross national defecit". Nick Fury is just friggin cool.

Ultimate easily made me a fan of the Avengers.

[Christopher O]

No. Not all of Ultimate Marvel is pale imitations. Some of it is completle basterdizations.
And many Marvel Universe characters are complete bastardizations of ancient, compelling myths. What's your point?

Anyway, Ultimate Thor is lightyears ahead of MU Thor. He's got a better costume. He doesn't speak in faux early-modern English, which has nothing to do with Norse Mythology. And he champions a cause which is down to earth and legitmate--not simply "protecting Midgard" or what have you.

[jasonrobertyates]

I've read more than a few posts over the last few years saying that the mythic Thor wouldn't act anything like Ult. Thor and I disagree. Depending on the 'truth' of the situation, if the military/industrial complex is as corrupt as Millar is possibly portraying it (we're really not going to know what his fictional 'truth' is until his run is done and even then maybe not), I think Thor would see that complex as another manifestation of the same 'evil' that manifested in Trygvasson's time and would act the same way he did then.

I totally agree. Having read Norse mythology myself. I was taken off gaurd by this new Ult. Thor since Ult 2 is my first exposure the group. I have enjoyed issue 1-4. The way things are going. It seems we are being set up for a Ult. Thor book. I donot care fo the outfit or Brad Pitt face. But maybe that will grow on me.

I have almost all the Journey Into Mystery's and most Kirby/Lee Thor's. My other fav Thor's were the Ron Frenz run. I just hope that he doesnt become TO popular in his opinions in that he hates everything AMERICA or REPUBLICAN I should say.

[Kirk G]

I totally agree.

I have almost all the Journey Into Mystery's and most Kirby/Lee Thor's. . .
Well, alright! :D

Do you know when Stan Lee began injecting psydo-Ellizabethian englishing into Asgard and Thor's speach? I believe it was around JIM 106 or 109. I noticed Chic Stone inks begining over Jack Kirby work around 106 or so... Certainly the Magneto/Urh Hammer story (circa 109) was Chic Stone... As was the two part, time suspended Cobra/Mr. Hyde story in 110-111. and the classic Hulk vs. Thor tale from 112... an all time favorite and quite rare, I hear. :cool:

Prior to those tales, I didn't care much for Thor, as the art and inking suffered IMHO. Do you know who else drew thor and inked him back in, say, JIM 100-109? Dick Ayers? Certainly not Vince Colletta... Larry Lieber? I recall no Ditko Thors at all, with the exception of one Dr. Strange tale, where Thor was but a cameo as Loki and Dr. Strange battled....

Any other ideas? :confused:

[jackalope]

Iron Man damn likable in a "I'm good looking rich, super smart, ANNND I'm a kick ass super hero. LIFE IS GREAT!" kind of attitude. I love that about Ultimate Tony Stark. The guy has this outstanding outlook, he is always smiling.

He's also always drunk. :)

[jasonrobertyates]

my first experience with the ultimates is in ultimates 2. i just read issue 4 and i am excited by what may be next. this isnt my silver age kirby thor. but i am still interested.

does anyone know if the ultimates is just a limited series or is it going to be ongoing. any rumors about an ultimate thor series.

[Kirk G]

He's also always drunk. :)
Eat, drink, and be merry, cause tomorrow he may die of his brain tumor... ;)

[Kirk G]

my first experience with the ultimates is in ultimates 2. i just read issue 4 and i am excited by what may be next. this isnt my silver age kirby thor. but i am still interested.

does anyone know if the ultimates is just a limited series or is it going to be ongoing. any rumors about an ultimate thor series.
Issue #5 just arrived in my comic shop today, but they wouldn't sell it until they had counted them in. :eek:

[jasonrobertyates]

Eat, drink, and be merry, cause tomorrow he may die of his brain tumor... ;)

OMG i hope that wasnt a spoiler. i only read issue 4 today :(

[jasonrobertyates]

Issue #5 just arrived in my comic shop today, but they wouldn't sell it until they had counted them in. :eek:

MAY ODIN STRIKE THEM DOWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :evilangry

:D

[Harold of the Rocks]

Whoa.

Just wanted to say that fight was incredible, and the outcome was shocking to say the least. Others who have read must agree (I would think) that what transpired did not bring closure to the current arc. Wow. Nice writing... no wonder I am soooo diggin' this comic and can't wait for the next ish. These characters really rock, and each issue has me anticipating the next one! Sorry to the '616 purists', but most of these characters are far more interesting to me than their 616 counterparts. Oh, and not to double post, but... ;)

[Harold of the Rocks]

I seem to recall an run in between Hulk and Thor in the first Ultimate arc, one in which Thor repeatedly slams Hulk with his hammer after Hulk has already faced the rest of the Ultimates, and yet Thor gets bounced pretty darn quick. No contest, it's Ultimate Hulk. ;)

I gotta say after a re-read of that issue, that even though Hulk did smile after his beating and swat Thor quite a distance (a city block or two?)... Thor did end up doing the following to the Hulk (not Banner, btw)...

- Broken Jaw
- Several cracked ribs
- Punctured Lung

Thor seeingly came out of the fight with no injuries. So, I can't agree that just because Thor did not return to engage the Hulk, that he was by any means beaten. At the pace things were going, I could see Thor killing the green goliath. Punctured lungs are not something you brush off... even if you are the Hulk... I seem to recall (yes it is 616, so take this with the proverbial grain of salt...) Vapor taking Hulk down, so at least from what we have seen, his lungs are not quite as impenetrable as his skin...he still needs to breathe. A second punctured lung, and he runs out of precious O2... then he collapses. Of course, the beauty of comics is the suspension of belief, so something else could happen...I just don't see overwhelming evidence that Ultimate Hulk wins every battle against Ultimate Thor. Peace to all you war machine lovers, too. ;)

[Harold of the Rocks]

I seem to recall an run in between Hulk and Thor in the first Ultimate arc, one in which Thor repeatedly slams Hulk with his hammer after Hulk has already faced the rest of the Ultimates, and yet Thor gets bounced pretty darn quick. No contest, it's Ultimate Hulk. ;)

I gotta say after a re-read of that issue, that even though Hulk did smile after his beating and swat Thor quite a distance (a city block or two?)... Thor did end up doing the following to the Hulk (not Banner, btw)...

- Broken Jaw
- Several cracked ribs
- Punctured Lung

Thor seeingly came out of the fight with no injuries. So, I can't agree that just because Thor did not return to engage the Hulk, that he was by any means beaten. At the pace things were going, I could see Thor killing the green goliath. Punctured lungs are not something you brush off... even if you are the Hulk... I seem to recall (yes it is 616, so take this with the proverbial grain of salt...) Vapor taking Hulk down, so at least from what we have seen, his lungs are not quite as impenetrable as his skin...he still needs to breathe. A second punctured lung, and he runs out of precious O2... then he collapses. Of course, the beauty of comics is the suspension of belief, so something else could happen...I just don't see overwhelming evidence that Ultimate Hulk wins every battle against Ultimate Thor. Peace to all, you war machine lovers too. ;)

[bloodyarts]

I seem to recall (yes it is 616, so take this with the proverbial grain of salt...) Vapor taking Hulk down, so at least from what we have seen, his lungs are not quite as impenetrable as his skin...he still needs to breathe.

Peter David just shattered that theory of Hulk needing to breathe in the first issue of his new run. Apparently, he can breathe underwater via use of a protective... something or other. Forgot the actual dialogue, but yeah, Hulk doesn't need to breathe anymore, throwing several little slices of continuity out the window.

Guess that means Juggernaut now has NO chance of beating Hulk.

[Harold of the Rocks]

I seem to recall an run in between Hulk and Thor in the first Ultimate arc, one in which Thor repeatedly slams Hulk with his hammer after Hulk has already faced the rest of the Ultimates, and yet Thor gets bounced pretty darn quick. No contest, it's Ultimate Hulk. ;)

I gotta say after a re-read of that issue, that even though Hulk did smile after his beating and swat Thor quite a distance (a city block or two?)... Thor did end up doing the following to the Hulk (not Banner, btw)...

- Broken Jaw
- Several cracked ribs
- Punctured Lung

Thor seeingly came out of the fight with no injuries. So, I can't agree that just because Thor did not return to engage the Hulk, that he was by any means beaten. At the pace things were going, I could see Thor killing the green goliath. Punctured lungs are not something you brush off... even if you are the Hulk... I seem to recall (yes it is 616, so take this with the proverbial grain of salt...) Vapor taking Hulk down, so at least from what we have seen, his lungs are not quite as impenetrable as his skin...he still needs to breathe. A second punctured lung, and he runs out of precious O2... then he collapses. Of course, the beauty of comics is the suspension of belief, so something else could happen...I just don't see overwhelming evidence that Ultimate Hulk wins every battle against Ultimate Thor. Peace to all, you war machine lovers too. ;)

[Harold of the Rocks]

Peter David just shattered that theory of Hulk needing to breathe in the first issue of his new run. Apparently, he can breathe underwater via use of a protective... something or other. Forgot the actual dialogue, but yeah, Hulk doesn't need to breathe anymore, throwing several little slices of continuity out the window.

Guess that means Juggernaut now has NO chance of beating Hulk.

And yes, I used 616 evidence that Hulk needs his lungs as well, but now we have a total cotradiction in the 616 universe... don't know where that leaves Ultimate hulk... ;)

[Jomero]

And yes, I used 616 evidence that Hulk needs his lungs as well, but now we have a total cotradiction in the 616 universe... don't know where that leaves Ultimate hulk... ;)


Well, mainstream Hulk would brush off a punctured lung fairly quickly. He heals so fast that he makes Wolverine look like hemophiliac. If Ultimate Hulk has even a fraction of his mainstream's healing factor (and it appears that he does), Ultimate Thor is going down.

[StoneGold]

OMG i hope that wasnt a spoiler. i only read issue 4 today :(
A spoiler for Ultimate Marvel Team Up and Ultimates Vol. 1 #2. In other words, this stuff was in the books a looooong time ago.

[StoneGold]

Peter David just shattered that theory of Hulk needing to breathe in the first issue of his new run. Apparently, he can breathe underwater via use of a protective... something or other. Forgot the actual dialogue, but yeah, Hulk doesn't need to breathe anymore, throwing several little slices of continuity out the window.

Guess that means Juggernaut now has NO chance of beating Hulk.
Given how Hulk is on Wacky World right now, all that may end up being part of an extended dream sequence.

[Harold of the Rocks]

Well, mainstream Hulk would brush off a punctured lung fairly quickly. He heals so fast that he makes Wolverine look like hemophiliac. If Ultimate Hulk has even a fraction of his mainstream's healing factor (and it appears that he does), Ultimate Thor is going down.

Healing factor or not, Hulk did not...

1) Break Thor's jaw
2) Crack several of Thor's ribs
3) Puncture Thor's lung

-- So all he did was throw him a signifficant distance. We have seen that time and time again in a multitude of comics... nice defensive move, but it really doesn't stop a real threat... which Ultimate Hulk did not do, btw... all he did was buy time imho... ;)

[Dan Mc Fan]

Simonson - Thor #337-383
Thomas - Thor #272-291 (plus an earlier run that was also good)
Lee - Journey into Mystery #83-120-something
Defalco - Thor #384 - 330 (then he did Eric Masterson Thor, who was different)
Jurgens - Thor Vol. 2 #1-79

-BRian

Vince Colletta's Thor's were, by far, the best of them all.

[Slaymaster]

I agree with the Brian dude, Simonson's 'Thor' was the best. I bought the 'Visionarys' TPB pretty fast when I got back into comics.

[spiderman_rj]

ultimate thor WAS the best thor,now they are 616ing him,so soon he shall be just like the normal thor,wich sucks,i liked him better as a hippie

[Castiglione]

I was never a fan of 616 Thor until the new JMS on-going. Shallow as it sounds, I couldn't stand the fact he looked like a bodybuilder instead of a warrior and his get-up was horrid. Now I love the way Coipel is drawing him; he looks like a fighter as opposed to a V shaped bodybuilder. He is broad and square (terrible way to describe it) and powerful looking.

And his new costume with the armor actually looks like something practical. Well, as practical as a superhero costume can be.

[Georgie Roussell]

I agree, Jack Kirby and Vinnie Colletta's Thors (and Tales of Asgard) were superior to the rest of them.

[chrismileslord]

I have always liked Thor...but never read his ongoing.

I have read ultimate Thor, and the new Thor series by JMS.

Honestly, the JMS version is probably one of my favorite characters of all time.

[CapnCaveman]

I was never a fan of 616 Thor until the new JMS on-going. Shallow as it sounds, I couldn't stand the fact he looked like a bodybuilder instead of a warrior and his get-up was horrid. Now I love the way Coipel is drawing him; he looks like a fighter as opposed to a V shaped bodybuilder. He is broad and square (terrible way to describe it) and powerful looking.

And his new costume with the armor actually looks like something practical. Well, as practical as a superhero costume can be.

Good call. I reallt like the new look as well. Thor in spandex is kind of silly.

That said, I loved Ultimate Thor in Ultimates 1 & 2, when no one knew if he was a god or just some wackjob with technology. I so wished they kept that ambiguous, or just went with the technology angle.