Teen Titans Vs. Runaways

[Strider119]

Not in a fight, Titans win that pretty handidly ...


but which book best represents how teeneagers would act with superpowers. how they talk and act and such.



as a bonus question, which is the better individual teen book?
-Invincible or Ultimate Spiderman



all are great books, but Runaways really impresses me. any opinions?





15 of fame:
strider119

[Gaz]

Not in a fight, Titans win that pretty handidly ...


but which book best represents how teeneagers would act with superpowers. how they talk and act and such.



as a bonus question, which is the better individual teen book?
-Invincible or Ultimate Spiderman



all are great books, but Runaways really impresses me. any opinions?





15 of fame:
strider119
Actually I don't think a fight would be that clean cut. The numbers thing is the main reason the Runaways would lose.
And BKV has it more accurate of the 2.

[Strider119]

BKV?


and you dont think the titans are above the runaways?


I mean i love the runaways, but they aren't as proficient with thier powers as the titans. Superboy alone would give the runaways a big fight.






shot in the dark:
strider119

[Gaz]

BKV?


and you dont think the titans are above the runaways?


I mean i love the runaways, but they aren't as proficient with thier powers as the titans. Superboy alone would give the runaways a big fight.






shot in the dark:
strider119
BKV = Brian K Vaughn
I do, but the Titans would work for it.
Assuming Superboy has some of Kal-el's magic weakness, Nico could easily disable him.

[The MunchKING]

BKV = Brian K Vaughn
I do, but the Titans would work for it.
Assuming Superboy has some of Kal-el's magic weakness, Nico could easily disable him.
Kid Flash/Impusle would Own them...

[Gaz]

Kid Flash/Impusle would Own them...
Last i checked Bart can't fly. And can he hurt Molly?

[The MunchKING]

Last i checked Bart can't fly.

No but he can speed stop flying things...


And can he hurt Molly?
I dunno. What's Molly's power??

[Fallman]

Last i checked Bart can't fly. And can he hurt Molly?
Bart can chuck stuff at airborne targets. And I don't remeber Molly having any really good durablility feats. But then, I only have the first series.

[DDX]

TT would obliterate the Runaways. Their heavy hitter is, what, 12? Even assuming Nico takes out Connor, and for the sake of argument, Bart, they still get curb stomped by the remaining Titans. Cassie plus lasso are more than a match for Molly, Beast Boy takes out Old Lace (what good is a velociraptor against a T-Rex), and Robin and Speedy can certainly take out Karolina, flyer though she may be. Chase, even with frog, isn't going to even take down Robin or Mia, who can just dodge until they find a weak spot and blow the legs off the thing. With Cyborg there, forget it.

So even with the two heavy hitters and the adults benched, TTs own. They're more powerful but more importantly, more experienced. Gert has no powers (except a link to her own velociraptor), Robin and Mia have no powers, but that's not a fair fight even if you handcuff and legiron both titans first.

And that's without Starfire (who could destroy Karolina/LSD), Raven or Cyborg.

[Gaz]

TT would obliterate the Runaways. Their heavy hitter is, what, 12? Even assuming Nico takes out Connor, and for the sake of argument, Bart, they still get curb stomped by the remaining Titans. Cassie plus lasso are more than a match for Molly, Beast Boy takes out Old Lace (what good is a velociraptor against a T-Rex), and Robin and Speedy can certainly take out Karolina, flyer though she may be. Chase, even with frog, isn't going to even take down Robin or Mia, who can just dodge until they find a weak spot and blow the legs off the thing. With Cyborg there, forget it.

So even with the two heavy hitters and the adults benched, TTs own. They're more powerful but more importantly, more experienced. Gert has no powers (except a link to her own velociraptor), Robin and Mia have no powers, but that's not a fair fight even if you handcuff and legiron both titans first.

And that's without Starfire (who could destroy Karolina/LSD), Raven or Cyborg.
I don't deny the Titans would win, but it wouldn't be an instant win, the TT would lose a couple people. BTW, the Runaways are also outnumbered 2 to 1.
Molly's age has squat to do with the fact that she seems to be at least Class 25, and can tunnel through rock with her fists. And she seems to have some anti-magic aura give how mystic stuff reacts to her.

[Z-man]

TT would obliterate the Runaways. Their heavy hitter is, what, 12? Even assuming Nico takes out Connor, and for the sake of argument, Bart, they still get curb stomped by the remaining Titans. Cassie plus lasso are more than a match for Molly, Beast Boy takes out Old Lace (what good is a velociraptor against a T-Rex), and Robin and Speedy can certainly take out Karolina, flyer though she may be. Chase, even with frog, isn't going to even take down Robin or Mia, who can just dodge until they find a weak spot and blow the legs off the thing. With Cyborg there, forget it.

Molly has a storied history of treating magical objects as if they were mundane. Cloak's cloak, Digger's shovel, every time she came up against one. Cassie's gonna get her lasso broken.

As for Robin and Speedy dodging the frog and blowing off it's legs, that's just silly.

[DDX]

Silly? GA solos Solomon @#$!ing Grundy, Batman is generally assumed to take anyone except maybe Doom with prep time, you're telling me their proteges can't take out Chase and the frog?

Speedy puts a cryonic arrow into the walking RV's knee joint or Robin blow the thing to pieces somehow or other not adequately explained by the writers?

Good point about the anti-magic thing, but Molly isn't a match for Cassie, let alone Connor.

[Z-man]

Silly? GA solos Solomon @#$!ing Grundy, Batman is generally assumed to take anyone except maybe Doom with prep time, you're telling me their proteges can't take out Chase and the frog?

Speedy puts a cryonic arrow into the walking RV's knee joint or Robin blow the thing to pieces somehow or other not adequately explained by the writers?

Does GA regularly take down Ghibborhim? 'Cause it was their amping that brought the Frog into existence.

EDIT: And, considering that Cassie is magically powered, I don't really favor her against Molly either.

[The MunchKING]

Does GA regularly take down Ghibborhim? 'Cause it was their amping that brought the Frog into existence.

EDIT: And, considering that Cassie is magically powered, I don't really favor her against Molly either.Of course it was a major gimmie that got rid of bart...

[Twistedreject]

Nico vs Raven
= Nico! She can just say anything and not even Ravens abilities can stop her.

Karolina vs Starfire
= Tough decision, They both have the bright, glowing light powers. Karolina's fast and can do alot with her powers, even blind Starfire. But Starfire although it will be close.

Beast Boy vs Chase + Old Lace
= Chase since he has the power of Old Lace and his machine tech. So he can shoot him out of the sky, or roast his ass.

Victor vs Cyborg
= Victor, hands down. Cyborg has no chance, since victor can control metal etc...

Molly vs Robin
= Molly , Robin has his gadgets, but Molly can easily lift a car and block them or something. If Molly gets close enough. She could do some serious damage.

[yeoman]

Uh, unless they've got Bart back permanently, Nico can kill the entire teen Titans with one word. "Decapitate."

With Bart it pretty much just turns into speedblitz.

[yeoman]

I don't deny the Titans would win, but it wouldn't be an instant win, the TT would lose a couple people. BTW, the Runaways are also outnumbered 2 to 1.
Molly's age has squat to do with the fact that she seems to be at least Class 25, and can tunnel through rock with her fists. And she seems to have some anti-magic aura give how mystic stuff reacts to her.

I'd probably rate her closer to class 50 given some of her feats. IIRC she can causally lift the Leap Frog, and has slapped Wolverine arond fairly badly on two occasions, including punching him from the Danger Room to Scott's office.

[yeoman]

No but he can speed stop flying things...


To my knowledge, only Wally has *EVER* pulled off the speed steal.

[nj06]

What about a speedblitz? This was made when Conner, Cassie, and Bart were all on the Teen Titans. Anyone of them can simply speedblitz all of the Runaways and call it a day.


With that said, it would be interesting to see the two teams fight one another now. I would love to see Xavin vs. Ms. Martian and Static vs. Victor.

I still think that the Teen Titans take this fight though.

[yeoman]

What about a speedblitz? This was made when Conner, Cassie, and Bart were all on the Teen Titans. Anyone of them can simply speedblitz all of the Runaways and call it a day.


With that said, it would be interesting to see the two teams fight one another now. I would love to see Xavin vs. Ms. Martian and Static vs. Victor.

I still think that the Teen Titans take this fight though.

Xavin's not currently with the team.

[nj06]

Really? Xavin was one of my favorite members of the Runaways too.

Anywho, I still think the Teen Titans would take this in a straight up fight. They have some heavy-hitters on their team. I'm not saying that the Runaways don't, but I just think they may be a tad outclassed.

[yeoman]

Really? Xavin was one of my favorite members of the Runaways too.

Anywho, I still think the Teen Titans would take this in a straight up fight. They have some heavy-hitters on their team. I'm not saying that the Runaways don't, but I just think they may be a tad outclassed.

Problem is, without someone capable of the full speedblitz, Nico can, and under Rumbles rules will, kill the lot of them with a word.

[nj06]

What is needed for a full speedblitz? Aren't Wonder Girl or Ms. Martian capable of taking down Nico with their speed, as well as other members of the team?

[yeoman]

What is needed for a full speedblitz? Aren't Wonder Girl or Ms. Martian capable of taking down Nico with their speed, as well as other members of the team?


WG is, IIRC, fast, but I don't recall seeing "Fast enough to slap you arond before a single word escapes your lips fast"

And is Ms Martian still with the team? The roster changes like, every issue, but last I saw it was WG, Blue Beetle, Kid Eternity, Static, Bombshell. With a de-powered Kid Devil.

And, actually, Id fogotten about Jaime. The Scarab may be their way out of it. It may not get targetted in Nico's opening shot, and, even if Jaime is killed by the first shot, it may be able to get off a retributive strike. And it's high yield stuff is listed as "Possible Theological Implications."

[betrayed]

WG is, IIRC, fast, but I don't recall seeing "Fast enough to slap you arond before a single word escapes your lips fast"

And is Ms Martian still with the team? The roster changes like, every issue, but last I saw it was WG, Blue Beetle, Kid Eternity, Static, Bombshell. With a de-powered Kid Devil.

And, actually, Id fogotten about Jaime. The Scarab may be their way out of it. It may not get targetted in Nico's opening shot, and, even if Jaime is killed by the first shot, it may be able to get off a retributive strike. And it's high yield stuff is listed as "Possible Theological Implications."

It's been awhile since I read Runaways. Does Nico still have that restriction of being unable to summon the staff without bleeding first?

[yeoman]

It's been awhile since I read Runaways. Does Nico still have that restriction of being unable to summon the staff without bleeding first?

I would rather assume she's got it out, falling into the rule that Tony Stark gets to start inside his armor and Billy Batson starts fights as Captain Marvel.

[betrayed]

I would rather assume she's got it out, falling into the rule that Tony Stark gets to start inside his armor and Billy Batson starts fights as Captain Marvel.

Valid point I suppose. I guess we could just spot her that time of the month for good measure?

[da noble savage]

WG is, IIRC, fast, but I don't recall seeing "Fast enough to slap you arond before a single word escapes your lips fast"

And is Ms Martian still with the team? The roster changes like, every issue, but last I saw it was WG, Blue Beetle, Kid Eternity, Static, Bombshell. With a de-powered Kid Devil.

And, actually, Id fogotten about Jaime. The Scarab may be their way out of it. It may not get targetted in Nico's opening shot, and, even if Jaime is killed by the first shot, it may be able to get off a retributive strike. And it's high yield stuff is listed as "Possible Theological Implications."

WG is more then fast enough to blitz a human.

[nj06]

I believe that Ms. Martian is still with the team.

For WG, she did manage to fly after Air force 1 during Amazons Attack, I think while it was in the air. She managed to fly after it and keep up with it with relative ease. Would that seem fast enought to manage a speedblitz against Nico?

[yeoman]

I believe that Ms. Martian is still with the team.

For WG, she did manage to fly after Air force 1 during Amazons Attack, I think while it was in the air. She managed to fly after it and keep up with it with relative ease. Would that seem fast enought to manage a speedblitz against Nico?

Pretty much anything that happened in Amazons Attack is suspect at best.

And it's not movement speed but *reaction* speed that makes for a speed blitz.

[nj06]

Good point about Amazons Attack.


But Cassie has been trained by the Amazons and regularly trains with her fellow Teen Titans, so I don't see why Nico would have better reaction speed than Cassie. That added with her speed and strength, I would think would give her greater reaction and movement speed than Nico.

[betrayed]

Good point about Amazons Attack.


But Cassie has been trained by the Amazons and regularly trains with her fellow Teen Titans, so I don't see why Nico would have better reaction speed than Cassie. That added with her speed and strength, I would think would give her greater reaction and movement speed than Nico.

What other speed feats do we have for Cassie? I mean, all Nico has to do is utter one word and it's done. Can she close 100 (ft is it?) before Nico can do so?

[yeoman]

What other speed feats do we have for Cassie? I mean, all Nico has to do is utter one word and it's done. Can she close 100 (ft is it?) before Nico can do so?

Frankly, I'm guessing it comes down to a quickdraw contest of Nico vs. Jaime's scarab. Everyone else is kinda redundant.

[nj06]

I wouldn't necessarily call everyone else redundant. The Teen Titans have some heavy hitters on their team. Some of them, like Blue Beetle, Ms. Martian, and Wonder Girl are pretty durable in their own right and can take some punishment. Others like Static have decent offensive capabilities and I think can create barriers to protect himself. Not to mention that Kid Eternity can become dead heroes.

The Runaways have some decent offensive abilities too, but everyone but Victor and Molly has human level durability I believe. And as was stated before, Xavin is no longer on the team.

Plus both Wonder Girl and Ms. Martian have decent speed to take Nico down.

But I have a question: Does Nico need to see the person she is casting a spell on? I mean if Ms. Martian goes invisible or goes intangible and goes undeground, would Nico's spell work on her if she can't see her?

[yeoman]

I wouldn't necessarily call everyone else redundant. The Teen Titans have some heavy hitters on their team. Some of them, like Blue Beetle, Ms. Martian, and Wonder Girl are pretty durable in their own right and can take some punishment.

Thing is, Nico and Jaime are both damn near plot device level characters capable of ending the fight with one move under Khazan rules.


The Runaways have some decent offensive abilities too, but everyone but Victor and Molly has human level durability I believe. And as was stated before, Xavin is no longer on the team.

Victor should also be above normal human, given he's a robot built by Ultron to kill every superhero on the planet.



But I have a question: Does Nico need to see the person she is casting a spell on? I mean if Ms. Martian goes invisible or goes intangible and goes undeground, would Nico's spell work on her if she can't see her?

I would imagine so. The Staff of One has affected targets she didn't even mean to affect before, with her own teammates getting caught in the effect, and with different effects than her other targets. It's largely plot device power. In it's first appearence it was said to give pause to Dormammu in the past.

[nj06]

What plot device does Jaime possess that can end the fight so quickly?

[yeoman]

What plot device does Jaime possess that can end the fight so quickly?

One of the weapons he doesn't use is, quite literally, described as having "Possible theological implicaitons."

The scarab pretty much ass pulls whatever Jaime seems to need at any given point in time.

[Twistedreject]

I don't think WG can stop Nico from speaking one word before kicking their asses....

and I doubt Nico will 'kill' them all, just stun them or put them to sleep.

(:

[Joe Prevost]

I don't think WG can stop Nico from speaking one word before kicking their asses....

and I doubt Nico will 'kill' them all, just stun them or put them to sleep.

(:

Umm, didn't OP ask which team acts more like actual teenagers?

Anyways, freom what I read, Runaways are just a bunch of normal teenagers with some power. They seem like teenagerws the most.

[Twistedreject]

Umm, didn't OP ask which team acts more like actual teenagers?

Anyways, freom what I read, Runaways are just a bunch of normal teenagers with some power. They seem like teenagerws the most.

Well I wouldn't say 'normal' since they are a mixture of Robot, Magicians, Aliens and Mutants ... But yeah, they are teenagers.

and they wouldn't kill .. Unless they had too, And the Teen Titans wouldn't kill either.

[yeoman]

Well I wouldn't say 'normal' since they are a mixture of Robot, Magicians, Aliens and Mutants ... But yeah, they are teenagers.

and they wouldn't kill .. Unless they had too, And the Teen Titans wouldn't kill either.

Check the Rumbles FAQ regarding bloodlust.

Also? Chase.

[Twistedreject]

Check the Rumbles FAQ regarding bloodlust.

Also? Chase.

Well, seeing as Chase has a telepathic link with a dinosaur

(: he's not normal either.

[Mainline]

but which book best represents how teeneagers would act with superpowers. how they talk and act and such.Runaways represents actual teenagers as closely as Gilmore Girls accurately portrays the plight of single mothers and their daughters... which is to say... not well at all. That's not the point or the strength of Runaways (or Gilmore Girls for that matter). It's all about and excuse to spout snappy dialog (too smart and too smooth for reality) and paint overly charismatic characters.

To that end, I'd actually say that Teen Titans is- perhaps unintentionally- more accurate in that they're often awkward, irrational, angsty, and annoying... like real teens.

As for the fight tangent... purely academic, Bart finishes it. In addition, Nico's power is being greatly over-exaggerated in terms of Rumbles utility (speed and efficacy). Hyperbole ("The Best At What He Does") doesn't really qualify as a feat and as grey as the parameters of her powers are- at least one thing is abundantly clear- she's not mastered her potential. In fact, Nico is more or less Rumbles broken- which operates on feats- but the Staff of One is restricted from repeating past spells.

[Mainline]

To my knowledge, only Wally has *EVER* pulled off the speed steal.There's a gap in your knowledge. Jay, Max, & Bart have all performed speed steals. Speed stealing and lending is a practical necessity to make their speed functional. When Bart read an entire library, the pages didn't burst into flames in his hands from the friction (which implies speed lending, but even if you want to say it's only anti-friction aura, pages don't have the tensile strength to survive the high velocity thumbing necessary to keep up with Bart).

Irrespective of the Runaways' durabilities and properties, when working on "I can read an entire library" level speed... Bart has all the time in the world to improvise (not that it seems necessary here) even without a speed steal.

[Becoming An Anthropologist]

TT would obliterate the Runaways. Their heavy hitter is, what, 12? Even assuming Nico takes out Connor, and for the sake of argument, Bart, they still get curb stomped by the remaining Titans. Cassie plus lasso are more than a match for Molly, Beast Boy takes out Old Lace (what good is a velociraptor against a T-Rex), and Robin and Speedy can certainly take out Karolina, flyer though she may be. Chase, even with frog, isn't going to even take down Robin or Mia, who can just dodge until they find a weak spot and blow the legs off the thing. With Cyborg there, forget it.

So even with the two heavy hitters and the adults benched, TTs own. They're more powerful but more importantly, more experienced. Gert has no powers (except a link to her own velociraptor), Robin and Mia have no powers, but that's not a fair fight even if you handcuff and legiron both titans first.

And that's without Starfire (who could destroy Karolina/LSD), Raven or Cyborg.

Impulse or Superboy win via speed blitz, that's a given.
Starfire is also very speedy and could probably do the same.
Raven is too overpowered and would destroy the Runaways unless Nico can whip up some kind of auto-win speel.

But how do you figure Robin or Speedy stands a chance against Karolina?
As to Cyborg, did you forget about Victor? Victor should be able to take Cyborg if it is one on one.
As to Beast Boy, Molly could arguably beat him. That is, unless Beast boy gets creative.