there needs to be a Capcom vs dbz game

[ashetaca]

what do you guys think. everyone from marvel and dc universe are in this game plus everyone from the dbz universe vs each other every person has all or most his or her moves.

[The MunchKING]

It would be interesting...

[ashetaca]

hell yeah it would

[LibrarianThorne]

what do you guys think. everyone from marvel and dc universe are in this game plus everyone from the dbz universe vs each other every person has all or most his or her moves.

It would be terrible. Just look at Marvel Vs. Capcom 2. In serious play, there's like, 4, maybe 6 characters (counting Doom and Psylock for their assists) that are actually played. Fighting games are best with a cast of around 20 very balanced characters, look at Virtua Fighter 4 and SF3 for proof.

[BitVyper]

Smash Brothers is about the only crossover game that's actually done the fighting aspect of it well.

[Infinity Chameleon]

Everyone from the DB universe and everyone from the Marvel universe means there's a giant amount of redundant characters.

[BitVyper]

Anyone who chooses Yamucha as their character should immediately be pitted against a super version of the last boss. Poor bastard never once got a lucky break in that series. Which is a shame, because he was actually one of the cooler fighters.

[raoulduke]

Everyone from the DB universe and everyone from the Marvel universe means there's a giant amount of redundant characters.

Hey, don't leave DC out.

With them, there'd be dozens of characters that are pretty much exactly like Superman. And like five Green Lanterns.

[BitVyper]

Hey, don't leave DC out.

With them, there'd be dozens of characters that are pretty much exactly like Superman. And like five Green Lanterns.

Okay okay, so here's how it'll be:

Marvel vs Capcom vs DBZ vs SNK vs DC vs Ranma 1/2 vs Adam West

I think we all know who wins.

[The MunchKING]

Anyone who chooses Yamucha as their character should immediately be pitted against a super version of the last boss. Poor bastard never once got a lucky break in that series. Which is a shame, because he was actually one of the cooler fighters.
Yamcha vs. Dan!!

[BitVyper]

Yamcha vs. Dan!!

Could this be a sign that the end times are upon us?

[shades of eternity]

Special ending by piccalo, him singing I'm a cucumber :D

[Alan2099]

All of them? You mean I could play as Type-Face and fight Calander man? Awsome!


wait. No. I'm confuisn Awsome with awful again.

[Tsoul]

It would be terrible. Just look at Marvel Vs. Capcom 2. In serious play, there's like, 4, maybe 6 characters (counting Doom and Psylock for their assists) that are actually played. Fighting games are best with a cast of around 20 very balanced characters, look at Virtua Fighter 4 and SF3 for proof.
don't bash mvc2.

last i checked mvc2 was the no. 1 fighting game in the states. (competitive player wise)

we could go on and on about the faults in sf3 and how hard virtua fighter 4 FT is the thing is they are all different games that appeal to different audiences.

Mvc2 is far from terrible it's a great game, it's not the best balanced but it's not impossible to use low tiers.

Joe Zaza used Double Wolverines and sentinal against some of the top players at the time back in his day

Viscant used to use bison and was considered the jack of all trades of mvc2 by many.

I think a guy name Robinson used to use IM/WM and was succesful too.

Most recently, Vegita X used Rogue/Storm/Tronne and took out one of the most respected players in mvc2 Potter... he is still a force to be reckoned with and still uses Rogue.

I personally try to use gief and i'm always looking for a low tier with the potential to take out the big 4.

Fighting games are deeper than most other games don't assume it's a bad game right away I personally think it's a great game and i personally prefer it over sf3 and think mvc2 is great although i would never state that it's better than sf3 as a fact because that's just personal preference.

Also

Doom and Psylocke are on the decline

MSP is considered a weak team (Magneto/Storm/ Psylocke) by many compared to the new teams being used today.

Right now it's more about Tronne and Capcom as assists (and the top tier assists such as Sent A/V).

There are still some people who play Iron Man, and you are forgetting the whole second tier... i know for a fact people use Cyclops and Blackheart.

It's not a big deal but i dont' think you should talk about mvc2 like that when you clearly don't have alot of knowledge on the subject it would be the equivalent of me talking smack about someone's favorite comic book after only reading 3 - 5 issues.

[LibrarianThorne]

don't bash mvc2.

last i checked mvc2 was the no. 1 fighting game in the states. (competitive player wise)

we could go on and on about the faults in sf3 and how hard virtua fighter 4 FT is the thing is they are all different games that appeal to different audiences.

Mvc2 is far from terrible it's a great game, it's not the best balanced but it's not impossible to use low tiers.

Joe Zaza used Double Wolverines and sentinal against some of the top players at the time back in his day

Viscant used to use bison and was considered the jack of all trades of mvc2 by many.

I think a guy name Robinson used to use IM/WM and was succesful too.

Most recently, Vegita X used Rogue/Storm/Tronne and took out one of the most respected players in mvc2 Potter... he is still a force to be reckoned with and still uses Rogue.

I personally try to use gief and i'm always looking for a low tier with the potential to take out the big 4.

Fighting games are deeper than most other games don't assume it's a bad game right away I personally think it's a great game and i personally prefer it over sf3 and think mvc2 is great although i would never state that it's better than sf3 as a fact because that's just personal preference.

Also

Doom and Psylocke are on the decline

MSP is considered a weak team (Magneto/Storm/ Psylocke) by many compared to the new teams being used today.

Right now it's more about Tronne and Capcom as assists (and the top tier assists such as Sent A/V).

There are still some people who play Iron Man, and you are forgetting the whole second tier... i know for a fact people use Cyclops and Blackheart.

It's not a big deal but i dont' think you should talk about mvc2 like that when you clearly don't have alot of knowledge on the subject it would be the equivalent of me talking smack about someone's favorite comic book after only reading 3 - 5 issues.

And how many people beat Justin Wong and don't use the top tier? No one? That's what I thought. Look at Evo 2k4. Sent/Storm/Mags and Cable/Sent/Mags everywhere. Throwing Wolverine into that is asking to get your face crushed.

Now look at SF3. Sure, you have Ken/Chun/Yun, but then there's everybody else. The top tier in SF3 is only top tier because they're easier to play at that level of competition, not because they're so much more powerful as a character than everyone else. I'm sure you've sen the vid of a Hugo beasting the crap out of a top tier Chun. Rumor has it that if they do well at Evo this year that Makoto and Dudley may make top tier in 3S, too.

And don't talk shit about VF4. It's the best 3D fighting game ever made, and one of the best fighting games period. If it's too hard for you, go into the practice mode in Evo, for god's sake. It teaches you everything you need to know. The great thing about VF is, that if you suck at it, it's your own fault for not practicing. Not because someone has a broken assist or a character's super is just plain ridiculous.

[Alex]

The sheer joy i would get out of using spiderman to beat the crap out of goku or some other spikey haired freak would make it all worthwhile.
"Kamehamaha this you bastard!"

[Xombie]

If they made it with the same slickness of Guilty Gear X2 it would be so badass.

[Tsoul]

And how many people beat Justin Wong and don't use the top tier? No one? That's what I thought. Look at Evo 2k4. Sent/Storm/Mags and Cable/Sent/Mags everywhere. Throwing Wolverine into that is asking to get your face crushed.

Now look at SF3. Sure, you have Ken/Chun/Yun, but then there's everybody else. The top tier in SF3 is only top tier because they're easier to play at that level of competition, not because they're so much more powerful as a character than everyone else. I'm sure you've sen the vid of a Hugo beasting the crap out of a top tier Chun. Rumor has it that if they do well at Evo this year that Makoto and Dudley may make top tier in 3S, too.

And don't talk shit about VF4. It's the best 3D fighting game ever made, and one of the best fighting games period. If it's too hard for you, go into the practice mode in Evo, for god's sake. It teaches you everything you need to know. The great thing about VF is, that if you suck at it, it's your own fault for not practicing. Not because someone has a broken assist or a character's super is just plain ridiculous.


You prolly suck at marvel judging by how you talk about it.

I'm pretty sure Zaza got 6th in a major tournament with double wolverines which is the equivalent of Sean and Vegita X did very well with his Rogue teams

I haven't heard of the last time someone won a major tournament without the top tier in sf3 but i wouldn't know i don't follow that stuff, you can call ignorance on me but it's pretty common knowledge that Justin has been virtually undefeated (except once) in the past 4 years so your knowledge on marvel isn't impressive.

Sf3 has tiers too and one of the main reasons it's "more balanced" is because all the characters have the 2 of the best moves in the game which is parry and throw.

Also doesn't SF3 have only what around 20 characters?

Marvel has 56

Magneto, Storm, Cable, Sentinel, Blackheart, Spiral (maybe not), Cyclops, Ironman, Rogue, Commando, Psylocke, Tronne have all gotten play in recent tournaments.

If you are going by percentage then ya sf3 has more character appearances but otherwise there aren't that many more that see play.

There's a top 3: Yun, Chun, Ken followed by Urien, Makoto, Dudley with Oro not far behind.

It's alot easier to balance out a roster of 20 compared to a roster of 56 especially when mvc2 has a combo system that is at least 3 times more liberal than SF3 and also has team combinations which make it virtually impossible to balance perfectly.

SF3 owes part of it's balance to the fact that it gives parry to everyone and it's undeniably one of the best moves to have, just look at p groove in Cvs2 that's ALL it has, it has low jump and parry and that's it.... that's how powerful parry is... so powerful they had to shorten the parry window down to 3 frames and they took out red parrying which is retarded all it's own.

P-Groove is "low" in groove rankings but people still win tournaments with it, people still use it cuz it has parry and parry is that d*mn good. (i think the rankings are A C/N/K P S or something to that respect with maybe C a tier above the others but below A if it wasn't for A however P/K are said to would have probably ruled the game)

You obviously don't know much about marvel and you know it's okay for you to hate it.. . that's one thing but to say it sucks cuz it's "Broken" is totally misinformed and full of generalized crap.


edit: Also marvel still takes skill to play and perfect balance isn't everything , if it was we'd be playing karate champ. Alot of the characters in marvel have tools you probably don't know about because you haven't looked hard enough, Justin beats people in casuals with his morrigan/gambit/cyclops team and just about every so caled "useless" character has something good about him it's just that they failed to find out about 3 things and since marvel is still discovering new glitches to this day i'd say it's no suprise...

the glitches are:

Unflying

Air Dashing (they probably thought people couldn't do it fast enough to be extremely effective and probably didn't think we'd come up with 2 methods to doing it real fast which are: The Claw and Slide method... how else do you explain the rom?)

Tiger Kneed moves (if they knew about it they didn't test them and probably thought it was harmless.... they learned from their mistakes however in Cvs2 some moves are not allowed to be tiger kneed. Supposedly it's typically moves that have frame advantage)

[LibrarianThorne]

You prolly suck at marvel judging by how you talk about it.

I'm pretty sure Zaza got 6th in a major tournament with double wolverines which is the equivalent of Sean and Vegita X did very well with his Rogue teams

I haven't heard of the last time someone won a major tournament without the top tier in sf3 but i wouldn't know i don't follow that stuff, you can call ignorance on me but it's pretty common knowledge that Justin has been virtually undefeated (except once) in the past 4 years so your knowledge on marvel isn't impressive.

Sf3 has tiers too and one of the main reasons it's "more balanced" is because all the characters have the 2 of the best moves in the game which is parry and throw.

Also doesn't SF3 have only what around 20 characters?

Marvel has 56

Magneto, Storm, Cable, Sentinel, Blackheart, Spiral (maybe not), Cyclops, Ironman, Rogue, Commando, Psylocke, Tronne have all gotten play in recent tournaments.

If you are going by percentage then ya sf3 has more character appearances but otherwise there aren't that many more that see play.

There's a top 3: Yun, Chun, Ken followed by Urien, Makoto, Dudley with Oro not far behind.

It's alot easier to balance out a roster of 20 compared to a roster of 56 especially when mvc2 has a combo system that is at least 3 times more liberal than SF3 and also has team combinations which make it virtually impossible to balance perfectly.

SF3 owes part of it's balance to the fact that it gives parry to everyone and it's undeniably one of the best moves to have, just look at p groove in Cvs2 that's ALL it has, it has low jump and parry and that's it.... that's how powerful parry is... so powerful they had to shorten the parry window down to 3 frames and they took out red parrying which is retarded all it's own.

P-Groove is "low" in groove rankings but people still win tournaments with it, people still use it cuz it has parry and parry is that d*mn good. (i think the rankings are A C/N/K P S or something to that respect with maybe C a tier above the others but below A if it wasn't for A however P/K are said to would have probably ruled the game)

You obviously don't know much about marvel and you know it's okay for you to hate it.. . that's one thing but to say it sucks cuz it's "Broken" is totally misinformed and full of generalized crap.


edit: Also marvel still takes skill to play and perfect balance isn't everything , if it was we'd be playing karate champ. Alot of the characters in marvel have tools you probably don't know about because you haven't looked hard enough, Justin beats people in casuals with his morrigan/gambit/cyclops team and just about every so caled "useless" character has something good about him it's just that they failed to find out about 3 things and since marvel is still discovering new glitches to this day i'd say it's no suprise...

the glitches are:

Unflying

Air Dashing (they probably thought people couldn't do it fast enough to be extremely effective and probably didn't think we'd come up with 2 methods to doing it real fast which are: The Claw and Slide method... how else do you explain the rom?)

Tiger Kneed moves (if they knew about it they didn't test them and probably thought it was harmless.... they learned from their mistakes however in Cvs2 some moves are not allowed to be tiger kneed. Supposedly it's typically moves that have frame advantage)

Actuall, it's C-groove and A-groove virtually tied for best groove in CvS2, but you see a lot of K because of the gauranteed level 3 super and Just Defend (which blows Parry out of the water because parrying is nerfed hardcore in CvS2). Just Defend also has the advantage in that if you whiff it, you get a block, whereas if you whiff a parry in CvS2 (something easily done because the parry window sucks) you eat the move, and potentially a combo. K Groove does everything P Groove does and better. Oh, and though I like CvS2, A-Groove breaks the game. So many infinites @_@. Of course, if every character is broken with A-Groove, that means that it's balanced.

As to MvC2, I know it's popular and it's played by a lot of people and that it's fun. I've got no beef with the game, save that it's terribly unbalanced. The system and the ridiculously enormous roster make it unbalanced, but unbalanced doesn't mean bad. It just means that I personally find it to be not as much fun to play as SF3:3S and VF4. Doesn't mean I can't have fun with my Ryu/Cable/Cyclops level 3 super team. It's certainly a hell of a lot better than MvC1 and CFE.

As to SF3, well yeah it's easier to balance out a 20 character game than a 56 character game. That's why SF3 is more balanced, and I have more fun with it partially because it blows most any game out of the water visually but mostly because the game is balanced to a point that most other games aren't. GGXX#R is of course the most balanced game out there, but that's a debate for another day.

[Tsoul]

Actuall, it's C-groove and A-groove virtually tied for best groove in CvS2, but you see a lot of K because of the gauranteed level 3 super and Just Defend (which blows Parry out of the water because parrying is nerfed hardcore in CvS2). Just Defend also has the advantage in that if you whiff it, you get a block, whereas if you whiff a parry in CvS2 (something easily done because the parry window sucks) you eat the move, and potentially a combo. K Groove does everything P Groove does and better. Oh, and though I like CvS2, A-Groove breaks the game. So many infinites @_@. Of course, if every character is broken with A-Groove, that means that it's balanced.

As to MvC2, I know it's popular and it's played by a lot of people and that it's fun. I've got no beef with the game, save that it's terribly unbalanced. The system and the ridiculously enormous roster make it unbalanced, but unbalanced doesn't mean bad. It just means that I personally find it to be not as much fun to play as SF3:3S and VF4. Doesn't mean I can't have fun with my Ryu/Cable/Cyclops level 3 super team. It's certainly a hell of a lot better than MvC1 and CFE.

As to SF3, well yeah it's easier to balance out a 20 character game than a 56 character game. That's why SF3 is more balanced, and I have more fun with it partially because it blows most any game out of the water visually but mostly because the game is balanced to a point that most other games aren't. GGXX#R is of course the most balanced game out there, but that's a debate for another day.


well cvs2 i said that c may be a tier higher but A is pretty dominant right now i'm almost sure.

K groove doesn't really blow p groove out of the water they both lose to A groove badly and although it has less of a risk (larger just defend window, you block if you do it too early) it also has much less of a reward

you get 1 pixel of life, some meter and a predetermined block stun... you also don't move back and also Air Just Defend is vastly inferior to air parry it's basically the same except that air just defend throws you up high in the air and let's you counter a small percentage of moves and air parry let's you counter 99% of moves... the only difference is what direction your pressing since k groove doesn't have air block.

I'll agree with you that mvc2 isn't the most balanced game but you'd be suprise to find that most low tiers have alot of potential and there are only 3-4 that really are almost useless and people still find a way to play with some of those..... really i just think roll and dan are the worst and even dan has some saving graces in his normal attacks (better than all the other shotos except for akuma's) and his air gale kicks which grant him mobility since he can block after wards in a super jump (yes he still sucks don't ever use him)....... servbot has alot of safe chip when picked with variable assist + doom for example and even Jin who i consider to be one of the most under developed characters in the game is played to great effect by people such as "Soul Requiem" and "Doctor Spr0cter" or so i'm told.

[Convoy]

There was a DBZ/Capcom game rumored a couple of years back.

[Sage Shinigami]

There was a DBZ/Capcom game rumored a couple of years back.

Don't think it was a fighter though, and nothing came of it...it SHOULD be Marvel vs. DC...DBZ? DBZ vs. DC AND Marvel....all KINDS of awesomeness.

(Oh, and MvC2 = most fun fighter EVER.)