So...what does everyone think will happen to Ivy?(GK SPOILERS)

[Astonishing X-Fan]

Gotham Knights #63 came out today, and it was another solid issue in what I feel has been a pretty solid arc so far. And I think it raises a few interesting questions for the future.

First of all, there's Hush and Ivy. How is Hush warding off Ivy's powers? And are the feelings he claims to have for her real? Odds are he's just using her, as that's always been his MO.

Then, we have this NEW Ivy...the one girl...forget her name...the park orphan who's seemingly been turned into a brand new version of the vixen of vines. I'm also starting to wonder that now, with Pamela's desire for a normal life, if this new Ivy will be replacing the old one on the rogues gallery soon enough.

But the big question is...what happens to Ivy at the end of the arc? Does she find her cure and finally become a normal human being again? I could see it happening...I could see her being cured and reformed, with the new "Ivy" taking her place.

What does everyone else think of this story so far...and where it's heading?

[Karl J. Barnes]

I,too, am enjoying this arc. I am feverently hoping that Pam gets a cure and she has the potential to find her own happiness. I would love to see one of Batman's villains to be "cured".

[Astonishing X-Fan]

Me too. Though Ivy is one of my favorite rogues...so in a way I'll be sad to see her "cured" because it would probably mean we wouldn't see much of her again. And I'd miss her clashes with the Bat.

Still...there's a reason why most of the rogues are in AA...because Bats believes in redemption...he may seem like an ass but one thing he's always had is hope. And I kind of think it would really mean a lot to the Batman story in general if one of the A-List villians found their peace, at last. I know "Hush" seems to have done it with Dent...but we STILL haven't gotten a resolution on that end.

And if there's any candidates on the rogues gallery that could find a beter life, I'd say Isley is near the top of the list. In stories like this one, No Man's Land, and her NML followup in Detective Comics, we've seen that somewhere underneath the psycho killer/eco-terrorist is a woman with heart and compassion. Underneath the anger and misguided hatred is someone worth saving.

I just hope Lieberman doesn't do something stupid like kill her off. I HATE when good villians are killed off.

[Astonishing X-Fan]

Obviously, not many people on the board are reading Gotham Knights. Heh.

[CodeMonkey]

I read it. But given how annoying this whole Hush thing is becoming, and how I find myself not enjoying this book as much anymore, I tend not to comment a whole lot on it.

Overall, curing Ivy would be nice to give Batman a rare victory notch for getting rid of a villain for good, but I'd wager that in 5 years (probably less) some "hot new talent" would just revert her back to being a villain anyway.

If she is cured, Hush's big play over trying to turn Ivy to his side will all go to waste, and they've spent a lot of time focusing on it, so I wager it won't happen.

[pennywisdom]

Due to monetary reasons, I can't afford all the Batman books that I would like to read. After reading this thread, however, I plan on making GK a priority again. This sounds like a really interesting arc as well as a turning point for Ivy. I've always felt that Batman's villains, when well-written, were some of the greatest tragic figures in comics. Ivy is no exception.

I'm really into character development, and one of my peevs is when a villain is used for the sole purpose of a caper, and then disappears, only to resurface as a meaningless plot device. If Ivy is truly reformed, this would encourage a more human element in the character, and that's always interesting.

So, to answer your question, I don't know what's going on, because I haven't been reading this title. But because of your recommendation, I'll be willing to grab a couple back issues and get back on board.

[pennywisdom]

Still...there's a reason why most of the rogues are in AA...because Bats believes in redemption...he may seem like an ass but one thing he's always had is hope. And I kind of think it would really mean a lot to the Batman story in general if one of the A-List villians found their peace, at last. I know "Hush" seems to have done it with Dent...but we STILL haven't gotten a resolution on that end.

And if there's any candidates on the rogues gallery that could find a beter life, I'd say Isley is near the top of the list. In stories like this one, No Man's Land, and her NML followup in Detective Comics, we've seen that somewhere underneath the psycho killer/eco-terrorist is a woman with heart and compassion. Underneath the anger and misguided hatred is someone worth saving.

I just hope Lieberman doesn't do something stupid like kill her off. I HATE when good villians are killed off.
Brilliantly put. :) I agree on all counts.

[Sean Whitmore]

Overall, curing Ivy would be nice to give Batman a rare victory notch for getting rid of a villain for good,


By "curing" Ivy, we're just talking about her powers, right? Not her criminal tendencies, her plant psychosis, or the fact that she doesn't have a huge problem killing people. Wouldn't she just become another non-powered criminal?


SEAN

[sikkbones]

just a dumb question but is catwoman a good guy now?
did they turn her for her movie or is she still kinda of a tweener?

[Sean Whitmore]

just a dumb question but is catwoman a good guy now?
did they turn her for her movie or is she still kinda of a tweener?


Selina's definitely more vigilante than thief now, but she still straddles that line between what's acceptable and not. Think Vic Mackey from The Shield. She's not above working with criminals or stealing to accomplish her goals.

The movie wasn't a factor for her rehabilitation. She's been more heroic than not since the end of her last series, when she was caught and unmasked. Staying on the straight and narrow keeps her from doing jail time for her past crimes, and also robs Batman of the only reason he had for not being with her. :)


SEAN

[CodeMonkey]

By "curing" Ivy, we're just talking about her powers, right? Not her criminal tendencies, her plant psychosis, or the fact that she doesn't have a huge problem killing people. Wouldn't she just become another non-powered criminal?


SEAN

Well. That's a good point. She definately seems to want to get rid of her powers but hasn't really shown any other attempt to reform. I'd imagine ideally she'd be cured, and go off to the rain forest and plant trees or something.

Then again, she may just as well keep screwing with people,m but without said powers she'd be much more manageable.

But to me, Ivy always seemed like the kind of person who would be perfectly okay being left alone, but instead tended to get dragged into plots by other villains. I imagine they'd stop exploiting her if she no longer had any powers.

[Apathy Boy]

I hope Bat-editorial restores Ivy to her human, criminal self. Ugh, I can't stand the current plant-goddess version of Ivy. A green-skinned eco-terrorist with psychic control over plant-life just isn't a good fit for the world of Batman.

The sexpot poison expert was my favourite version of the character. She was great in John Ostrander's SUICIDE SQUAD.

just a dumb question but is catwoman a good guy now?did they turn her for her movie or is she still kinda of a tweener?Do yourself a favour and pick up the trades for Ed Brubaker's CATWOMAN run. Especially RELENTLESS, one of the two best stories of this decade (the other one being STARMAN: GRAND GUIGNOL).

[Shevek]

A green-skinned eco-terrorist with psychic control over plant-life just isn't a good fit for the world of Batman.Has Poison Ivy ever appeared in SWAMP THING? Or co-starred with the Floronic Man (Woodruffe)?

Where was she when Swamp Thing came to Gotham and turned it into his own plant-kingdom (after Abby was arrested for having sexual relations with a "non-human")? It would be hella cool if that was revealed to be her origin...

(except it couldn't be, because she existed pre-Crisis, and that Swamp THing story was just post-Crisis, but still...)

[datsyuk]

bruce will probably deny her help and she will have to sell her soul to hush

[datsyuk]

oops...so that she can become normal again but in doing so it will just play into hush's plan for something greater