Lucifer Morningstar vs. Azathoth

[ShadowWarrior]

Can Lucifer pull off a win against the blind and idiotic god who is generally considered to be head of the entire LoveCraftian pantheon? Would Luci be driven insane by the near sight of him?

[Sage Shinigami]

Azathoth bows at Lucifer's feet like all evil beings....

[Grazzt]

Azathoth bows at Lucifer's feet like all evil beings....

I would think that Azathoth would be beyond such petty concepts as good and evil.

[Crinos]

yeah, Azzy is pretty much GOD in the Lovecraft verse. Part of the fear the Lovecraft mythos creates is the fact that the god we all pray too, if its really him, is a big mindless pile of pink jelly in the center of universe.

As for Lucifer, I doubt he'd be very impressed by this short bus cosmic entity. Probably just ignore him and maybe feed him people he really doesnt like.

[Sage Shinigami]

I basically meant Lucifer would sorta make him his servant...

[Crinos]

I basically meant Lucifer would sorta make him his servant...

how? He's mindless and he pretty much sits in the middle of the galaxy and gibbers and listens to his twisted music his servants make. Not exactly a useful repitoire unless Lucifer can somehow restore his mind.

Other than that he's basically a big gooey trash compator.

[Sage Shinigami]

how? He's mindless and he pretty much sits in the middle of the galaxy and gibbers and listens to his twisted music his servants make. Not exactly a useful repitoire unless Lucifer can somehow restore his mind.

Other than that he's basically a big gooey trash compator.

You'd pretty surprised what someone like Lucifer can do...

On another note.."beyond good and evil" is something that comes from humans thinking too hard. No such thing.

[Grazzt]

On another note.."beyond good and evil" is something that comes from humans thinking too hard. No such thing.

Except in the case of Azathoth. Since Azathoth isn't an intelligent being, he can't choose between good and evil. He just exists.

[Chou Blaster]

Azthoth is the God of Atomic Destruction and Chaos.

He is the Parody of well. God! (Presence is well based on him.)

Basicly a omipotent blind,idiot being who does not care, or maybe not even know of the creation he made.. He just wants to listen to his servitors with their music.

[Smokey]

if he has the ability to enjoy music, you'd think he could comprehend simple thought patterns like good and evil

[Chou Blaster]

if he has the ability to enjoy music, you'd think he could comprehend simple thought patterns like good and evil


He has th emind of a simple two year old human child.

He enjyos his music. but is is not God, nor Evil. He is well, the nature of the Universe.. Utter Chaos.

[Ghost]

Whatever happens, I think Nyarlathotep is going to want a say in all of this.

[Crinos]

Whatever happens, I think Nyarlathotep is going to want a say in all of this.

Isnt Nyralathotep the Lovecraft equivilent of Satan? I think he and Lucifer would fight like brothers.

Sides which, what can Lucifer do to mess up Azathoth? its not like he's that critically important to the mythos since his brain was stolen, he's mostly a figurehead if that.

Now YOG SOTOTH, he's the mythos' real mover and shaker.

[Chou Blaster]

Whatever happens, I think Nyarlathotep is going to want a say in all of this.

Well yeah I would think so.

As he is well the only Real, true God of HP Patheon (Besides Yog, if you manage to find,summno him without going crazy.) that interacts with Humans. And know sof their exist.

Hell Big N has been screwing around with human minds for only he knows how long. Shape Shfiting and well being worshipped as different type sof Gods, by who knows how many cultists.

He mainly likes giving humans forbidden nkoweldge, to see if the race is dumb enuogh to wipe itself off with it. (Nuclear wepaons, anyone?)

[AlphaPhiOmega]

Lucifer takes this due to being smart. I would have Aza battle Morpeous in his Dream realm to make it interesting.

[Sharpandpointies]

You win the thread necromancy prize for the day...

Welcome to Rumbles. :)

[IssunBoshi]

Ah this is the thread I was reading right before the damn search function changed (I want my Stephen King vs. HP Lovecraft topic back!).

It seems there is a huge difference between the general consensus of lovecraftian deities in 2005-2006 and the general consensus of them this year and on.

[Siriel]

Ah this is the thread I was reading right before the damn search function changed (I want my Stephen King vs. HP Lovecraft topic back!).

It seems there is a huge difference between the general consensus of lovecraftian deities in 2005-2006 and the general consensus of them this year and on.

That'd be because 90% of the people that posted back then aren't here frequently anymore.

[Surtur]

Lucifer can take a multi-versal explosion completely unharmed. So unless Azathoth has shown feats of destructive power beyond that, he isn't beating Lucifer.

Going purely by feats, Lucifer wins. I don't think Azathoth has done much at all, besides it being said that if he wakes up he will destroy the universe, which at this point is only a statement since obviously he hasn't shown that kind of power.

[Brian888]

Couple of questions:

1.) Someone mentioned that Azathoth's mind was stolen. Bwuh? I don't ever remember Lovecraft writing this. Was this a later development by another author? If so, what exactly would be powerful enough to steal Azathoth's mind?

2.) Is the "Lucifer can take multiverse-level explosions to the face" based on Lucifer's feat of absorbing Michael's power at point-blank range and shaping it into a universe?

[Chou Blaster]

Couple of questions:

1.) Someone mentioned that Azathoth's mind was stolen. Bwuh? I don't ever remember Lovecraft writing this. Was this a later development by another author? If so, what exactly would be powerful enough to steal Azathoth's mind?

2.) Is the "Lucifer can take multiverse-level explosions to the face" based on Lucifer's feat of absorbing Michael's power at point-blank range and shaping it into a universe?

Yes to nubmer2.

And yeah, another writer I believe did the Azthoth brain thing.

it is commonly beleived that Nytharonpe is in relaity Az's brain, just given new form. (Which make ssense, as he is th eonly real God that shows interest in mortals.)

And as fo rthe RUmble, Lucifer is good at screwing people over, but Azthoth cannot really be tricked.

Though Lucifer could take univers emaknig blasts (Which Azthoth is equalivent of farting.)

I see a standstill.

[T51R]

Just an idea, can Lucifer like climb into the hole left by Nyarlathotep and take over Azathoth just like riding a giant robot? :biggrin:

[Chou Blaster]

Just an idea, can Lucifer like climb into the hole left by Nyarlathotep and take over Azathoth just like riding a giant robot? :biggrin:

I would buy that book for a dollar.

[Surtur]

does azathoth have any feats besides the claims made about him?

[Chou Blaster]

does azathoth have any feats besides the claims made about him?

That's the problem.

Lovecraftian horrors, mostly were not written by Lovecraft himself (As he was dead for a while0 BUt rather his fans and "friends."

While lucifer has legit feats.

Hoenstly now I think of it, Lucifer may very wlel highjack Azthoth's atomic husk.

[Brian888]

I think the problem with extrapolating Lucifer's resilience based on the Michael feat is that absorbing Michael's energy to form a new universe is pretty much precisely what Lucifer was built to do. In other words, being able to survive Michael's divine energy might not mean anything with regard to whatever it is Azathoth can throw around; the two are very likely totally different.

[Surtur]

I think the problem with extrapolating Lucifer's resilience based on the Michael feat is that absorbing Michael's energy to form a new universe is pretty much precisely what Lucifer was built to do. In other words, being able to survive Michael's divine energy might not mean anything with regard to whatever it is Azathoth can throw around; the two are very likely totally different.

Er, no it's not what he was built to do. Michael was meant to create all the matter in the universe, Lucifer was meant to create everything else.

It's a legit feat.

[T51R]

I would buy that book for a dollar.

LMAO yer! It'd be fully sick, too!

[Ptrvc]

Azthoth is the God of Atomic Destruction and Chaos.

He is the Parody of well. God! (Presence is well based on him.)

Basicly a omipotent blind,idiot being who does not care, or maybe not even know of the creation he made.. He just wants to listen to his servitors with their music.

No he's pretty much a concept stolen from This Guy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MANA-YOOD-SUSHAI)

With tentacles slapped on.

[IssunBoshi]

That'd be because 90% of the people that posted back then aren't here frequently anymore.

Ah the good old years of when Mario was seen as a powerful god. Boy I miss them already.

*imagines What A Wonderful World by Louis Armstrong playing in head*

[IssunBoshi]

But back on topic, I guess Lucifer Morningstar wins due to having more feats and yeah in this forum it seems Marvel characters are the central characters of every rumble going on here and they have the richest quantity and quality of feats out of any fictional character there is.

[Captain Morgan]

I think the problem with extrapolating Lucifer's resilience based on the Michael feat is that absorbing Michael's energy to form a new universe is pretty much precisely what Lucifer was built to do. In other words, being able to survive Michael's divine energy might not mean anything with regard to whatever it is Azathoth can throw around; the two are very likely totally different.


1) Lucifer didn't absorb Michael's energy. The demiurgic explosion simply went off in his face without affecting him in the slightest.

2) It was revealed in Lucifer: Nirvana that this created a multi-verse; it's supported later when they show that merging Lucifer's cosmos with the original involved multiple dimensions and such.

[Sharpandpointies]

But back on topic, I guess Lucifer Morningstar wins due to having more feats and yeah in this forum it seems Marvel characters are the central characters of every rumble going on here and they have the richest quantity and quality of feats out of any fictional character there is.

What are you talking about?

Lucifer isn't a Marvel character.

[Nik Hasta]

But back on topic, I guess Lucifer Morningstar wins due to having more feats and yeah in this forum it seems Marvel characters are the central characters of every rumble going on here and they have the richest quantity and quality of feats out of any fictional character there is.

Um... Lucifer isn't from Marvel, he's from Vertigo or, depending on how their continuity is working at the time, DC.

[Sharpandpointies]

But back on topic, I guess Lucifer Morningstar wins due to having more feats and yeah in this forum it seems Marvel characters are the central characters of every rumble going on here and they have the richest quantity and quality of feats out of any fictional character there is.

Furthermore, if you're complaining about the fact that 'this forum' doesn't have enough of the kinds of threads you like, you have two options -

1. Make threads of the kind you would like to see. Put some thought into them. Choose characters who actually have feats, rather than just vague statements of power level.

2. Find a board where they talk about anime and game characters, only. There are lots of them out there.

Complaining about the board? Hinting that there is bias? Doesn't do much. It also doesn't get much sympathy.

[IssunBoshi]

Furthermore, if you're complaining about the fact that 'this forum' doesn't have enough of the kinds of threads you like, you have two options -

1. Make threads of the kind you would like to see. Put some thought into them. Choose characters who actually have feats, rather than just vague statements of power level.

2. Find a board where they talk about anime and game characters, only. There are lots of them out there.

Complaining about the board? Hinting that there is bias? Doesn't do much. It also doesn't get much sympathy.

I wasn't complaining about nothing at all, I honestly think the feat system is great, efficient, and kinda fun, but the downside is that with non-comic medium of characters (such as video games), genuine feats are much harder to find. That Is all.

No hard feelings at all. :biggrin:

To nik hasta - my mistake, I meant Dc.

[Brian888]

Er, no it's not what he was built to do. Michael was meant to create all the matter in the universe, Lucifer was meant to create everything else.

It's a legit feat.


That's not how I read the Lucifer comics. I was under the impression that Michael emitted the Demiurgic energy, and Lucifer shaped it into the universe. Put another way, Michael provided all the raw material to create a universe, and Lucifer did the actual construction.

[Brian888]

1) Lucifer didn't absorb Michael's energy. The demiurgic explosion simply went off in his face without affecting him in the slightest.

2) It was revealed in Lucifer: Nirvana that this created a multi-verse; it's supported later when they show that merging Lucifer's cosmos with the original involved multiple dimensions and such.


1.) Point taken, although having it go off in Lucifer's face is still irrelevant if Lucifer was specifically built to survive and shape the Demiurgic energy.

[Captain Morgan]

1.) Point taken, although having it go off in Lucifer's face is still irrelevant if Lucifer was specifically built to survive and shape the Demiurgic energy.

He wasn't built to survive it.

[OverMaster]

Hinting that there is bias? Doesn't do much. It also doesn't get much sympathy.

Considering how he outright puts the sides he has biases for and against in his signature, he'd be the pinnacle of hypocrisy if he accused the board of being biased.

[IssunBoshi]

Considering how he outright puts the sides he has biases for and against in his signature, he'd be the pinnacle of hypocrisy if he accused the board of being biased.

Fine if it will make you guys happier, I'll change my damn sig until I feel like putting back the old one.

Btw, I don't think i have often accused this board of being biased. I may have felt that way in the beginning, but not anymore. I completely realize everyone has bias.

*walks out*

[Lord of Denial]

So this all-powerful being simply can't unmake himself and idiot?

[Brian888]

He wasn't built to survive it.


Source? I mean, it happened twice, and he survived both times with no apparent after-effects. Does it say anywhere in the Lucifer comic that God didn't intend Lucifer to surive the Demiurgic explosion?

[Captain Morgan]

Source? I mean, it happened twice, and he survived both times with no apparent after-effects. Does it say anywhere in the Lucifer comic that God didn't intend Lucifer to surive the Demiurgic explosion?

Does it say anywhere that God intended for Lucifer to be able to survive the Demiurgic explosion, but not an attack of a similar level from a different source? I've read all of Lucifer, and I recall nothing to support the claim that Lucifer had some special resistance to Michael's powers.

[Nik Hasta]

Does it say anywhere that God intended for Lucifer to be able to survive the Demiurgic explosion, but not an attack of a similar level from a different source? I've read all of Lucifer, and I recall nothing to support the claim that Lucifer had some special resistance to Michael's powers.

Especially since Lucifer seemed very effected by Michael when the two of them fought after Lucifer had unknowingly taken Fenris' blood and gone berserk.

Both were hugely messed up afterwards.

[Farealmer]

Ah the good old years of when Mario was seen as a powerful god. Boy I miss them already.

*imagines What A Wonderful World by Louis Armstrong playing in head*
You weren't even here then...

[Kamiya]

Um........the Dark Lord vs. Azathoth.....um........

Well the Unholy One is a proven reality warper who's powers are beyond all feeble fleshling comprehension, while Azathoth is the sleeping idiot god of the Lovecraftian universe.

I gotta give it to the Unholy One; as Azathoth doesn't really have very many proven feats other than just Hearsay and sleeping at the center of the universe.

[IssunBoshi]

You weren't even here then...

well I read the old threads like in January this year.

[Surtur]

Source? I mean, it happened twice, and he survived both times with no apparent after-effects. Does it say anywhere in the Lucifer comic that God didn't intend Lucifer to surive the Demiurgic explosion?

Um, you know God sort of left them alone, he created them, then they created the universe. After that he really didn't seem to care what they did.

As I said, the roles they had were clearly stated: Michael created matter, Lucifer created everything else.

Whether God intended for something to happen or not, it doesn't negate Lucifer's feat of survival. One could argue whenever any character survives, God intended it, but it doesn't take away from their feats.

Plus it's not like Lucifer needs to rely totally on that feat anyways. Not when he has stuff like destroying entire dimensions just by his presence there.

[AlphaPhiOmega]

Lucifer has a brain, Azzy is a Cosmic Paramecium.