Who died in Crisis?

[gentlesatirist]

Flipping through a copy of Crisis #12, I quickly see Dove, Prince Ra-Man and the golden age Green Arrow (whose existence had not been acknowledged to this point) bite the dust.

Who were the other casualties? The ones that immediately spring to mind are Flash, Supergirl, Aquagirl and the golden age Robin. Others?


- FE
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[MWGallaher]

Among the heroic characters, I remember that Immortal Man, Kole, and the Losers also met their ends in Crisis.

[Cei-U!]

Also The Huntress, Kid Psycho, Nighthawk, Luthor of Earth-3 and the Levitz/Ditko Starman.

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[Cei-U!]

the golden age Green Arrow (whose existence had not been acknowledged to this point)

Not true. He was reintroduced, along with the rest of the Seven Soldiers, in Justice League of America #100. His last pre-Crisis appearance was at the Crimson Avenger's funeral, seen in flashback in Infinity Inc #11.

Cei-U!
I summon the Emerald Archer!

[Lone Ranger]

I believe that the Atom villain Bug Eyed Bandit was also put out of his misery during Crisis.

[gentlesatirist]

...also bit the dust, if memory serves. And the original Crime Syndicate, right?

As for the original GA : Obviously, DC history is littered with untold stories, but after JLA 100, he just faded into the woodwork? An Oliver Queen, still with a fortune, aware that his earth-1 counterpart is alive and well and fighting crime, just stays retired?

Again, it's clear a lot of DC heroes just vanished after WW2, but that's a tough one to justify.


- FE

[gentlesatirist]

...is how in the new 7 Soldiers of Victory comic * spoiler alert * they apparently introduce a batch of new heroes with connections to DC's golden age - the Whip, Little Boy Blue, Dan the Dyna-Mite - and team them with the Vigilante, only to have them all slaughtered at the end.

It's a testament to Grant Morrison's writing that I already felt somewhat connected to these characters and was shocked when they were bumped off.


- FE

[Cei-U!]

As for the original GA : Obviously, DC history is littered with untold stories, but after JLA 100, he just faded into the woodwork? An Oliver Queen, still with a fortune, aware that his earth-1 counterpart is alive and well and fighting crime, just stays retired?

The Soldiers had been stranded in various time eras (the 12th Century in GA's case) since their battle with the Nebula Man sometime in the early '50s (most likely the summer of '51, though this can't be proved). They were eventually rescued by the JSA and JLA but returned to 1972.

Though this made them all twenty years younger physically than their chronological ages, it also meant that wealthy men like Oliver Queen and Lee (Crimson Avenger) Travis had two decades' worth of business to catch up on. Focusing on their personal affairs instead of adventuring was probably wise on their part. As seen in All-Star #71, the Star-Spangled Kid failed to deal with the Pemberton family fortune, allowing it to fall into the hands of his nephew Arthur, who used it to fund his subversive paramilitary army, the Strike Force.

Not that you don't have a good point, gs, but there *was* at least an explanation.

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[JeffreyWKramer]

Other deaths include the Ten-Eyed Man and Prince Ra-Man (big losses there), the original Terra Man and the first Mirror Master.

[Descartes_Lives]

Woah woah, the Levitz/Ditko Starman? The Golden Age Robin? When did this happen?

Des.

[Paul Newell]

There was also:

The Golden-Age Luthor
The Icicle
Maaldor the Dark Lord
Clayface II
Psimon
Sunburst
Lori Lemaris
Angle Man
and a member of Easy Company

Also the Shaggy Man and Chemo were destroyed and Wonder Woman sort of died. Oh yeah and Lady Quarks family, Lord Volt and Princess Fern.

The Levitz/Ditko Starman died in the "Monitor files" story that ran along the bottom panels of #10 and the Golden-Age Robin died in #12.

[Paul Newell]

Other deaths include the Ten-Eyed Man and Prince Ra-Man (big losses there), the original Terra Man and the first Mirror Master.

Terra Man didn't die in the Crisis series, was it one of the crossovers?

[Scott Shaw!]

It was never depicted on-panel, but since all alternate Earths were destroyed, I've always assumed those included CAPTAIN CARROT AND HIS AMAZING ZOO CREW!'s "Earth-C" and Super-Squirrel And The Just'a Lotta Animals' "Earth-C-Minus".

Ever since the events of CRISIS -- other than in WORLD'S FUNNEST -- Captain Carrot's only appearances have been relegated to pop culture references within the DC universe (a plush doll, a giant parade balloon, a character phone, etc.)

Hey, can Prince Ra-Man claim the same? (The poor guy came back as a noodle, for cryin' out loud!)

Here's a new example of this transformation. I'm drawing a short "Captain Carrot" sequence for an upcoming TEEN TITANS (Geoff Johns is a major fan) that establishes that Kid Flash/Impluse is a regular reader and collector of the CAPTAIN CARROT AND HIS AMAZING ZOO CREW! funnybook.

Aloha,

Scott!

[Paul Newell]

It was never depicted on-panel, but since all alternate Earths were destroyed, I've always assumed those included CAPTAIN CARROT AND HIS AMAZING ZOO CREW!'s "Earth-C" and Super-Squirrel And The Just'a Lotta Animals' "Earth-C-Minus".

Ever since the events of CRISIS -- other than in WORLD'S FUNNEST -- Captain Carrot's only appearances have been relegated to pop culture references within the DC universe (a plush doll, a giant parade balloon, a character phone, etc.)

Hey, can Prince Ra-Man claim the same? (The poor guy came back as a noodle, for cryin' out loud!)

Here's a new example of this transformation. I'm drawing a short "Captain Carrot" sequence for an upcoming TEEN TITANS (Geoff Johns is a major fan) that establishes that Kid Flash/Impluse is a regular reader and collector of the CAPTAIN CARROT AND HIS AMAZING ZOO CREW! funnybook.

Aloha,

Scott!

Lou Mougin and Mark Waid try and make sure that Earth C, (And earth C-minus), still exist by listing them as being alternate "dimensions" that weren't affected by the Crisis.

and I say "Huzzah!" :)

EDIT: Forgot the mention that this info came from the Official Crisis Indexes which was approved by DC Editorial, which makes the info good enough in my book.

[Cherokee Jack]

Other deaths include the Ten-Eyed Man and Prince Ra-Man (big losses there), the original Terra Man and the first Mirror Master.
Hey, as a Mark Merlin/Prince Ra-Man fan (I own the entire run), I felt bad when he bought it. But then, he never did get any respect. He was one of the few characters who never got a BRAVE & BOLD team-up with Batman.

Eventually, after characters supposedly done away with in Crisis started reappearing (new characters, but using old names, i. e. Supergirl), I kind of joked that Mark/Prince was the only character killed in Crisis that stayed dead. But now someone tells me that Mark Merlin has returned in BATMAN (of DETECTIVE, I don't remember.)

[JeffreyWKramer]

Terra Man didn't die in the Crisis series, was it one of the crossovers?

It's been a long time, but I'm pretty sure he did die along with some of the other villains in one of the later issues.

[Paul Newell]

It's been a long time, but I'm pretty sure he did die along with some of the other villains in one of the later issues.

Nope, not Terra Man. He didn't appear in Crisis, plus I just had a look, and Who's Who lists him still alive. He last appeared fighting Superman and Blue Devil.

The villains that died in the later issues were Luthor I, who was killed by Brainiac in #9. Shaggy Man and Chemo were destroyed during the villain war in #9. Brainiac also killed Psimon in #10. The Icicle, Maaldor and Mirror Master died in the attack on Krona in #10. Angle Man's body was found, killed in #11 and the Ten-Eyed Man, Clayface II and Bug Eyed Bandit were killed in #12 battling the shadow demons.

[amphetamine]

Woah woah, the Levitz/Ditko Starman? The Golden Age Robin? When did this happen?

Des.

Golden Age Robin ceased to exist along with Golden Age Huntress... after they both realized Golden Age Batman didn't exist, either.

Huntress realizing she shouldn't exist before she actually ceases to exist is, to me, the single creepiest moment in CRISIS.

[JeffreyWKramer]

Nope, not Terra Man. He didn't appear in Crisis, plus I just had a look, and Who's Who lists him still alive. He last appeared fighting Superman and Blue Devil.
Are you sure that isn't the new, post-crisis Terra Man? Seems to me they actually bothered making a new one.

Hm, now I need to pull those out and look. Darn early-onset Alzheimers or something.

[gentlesatirist]

...made a bunch of post-Crisis appearances? Or is it a different guy?

And didn't the Shaggy Man morph into the General in the pages of Grant Morrison's JLA?

Not that DC hasn't made a tradition of reviving dead guys, but these were the 2 that caught my eye on the list of Crisis casualties.



- FE

[Sir Tim Drake]

...made a bunch of post-Crisis appearances? Or is it a different guy?

And didn't the Shaggy Man morph into the General in the pages of Grant Morrison's JLA?

Not that DC hasn't made a tradition of reviving dead guys, but these were the 2 that caught my eye on the list of Crisis casualties.


I believe the post-Crisis Mirror Master is a new character. Shaggy Man was a robot, so it could have just been rebuilt.

[Cei-U!]

I believe the post-Crisis Mirror Master is a new character. Shaggy Man was a robot, so it could have just been rebuilt.

One of Shaggy Man's powers was that of regeneration. In his first appearance, he was decapitated. His head grew a new body and his body grew a new head. even if we accept that one Shaggy was destroyed in the Crisis, the other one may well have survived to become the General.

Cei-U!
I summon the shampoo!

[gentlesatirist]

...die in combat? Or did they just blip out of existence?

And I still can't help but see the death of the golden age Green Arrow as DC writing its way out of a corner created in the 60s, when they realized they didn't have to conjure up a golden age Aquaman or GA since those characters never were connected to the JSA.

Ironically, I think Aquaman's first-ever interaction with another DC character was his 1950s team-up with GA in the pages of Adventure.

Did Roy Thomas ever toss a golen age Aquaman into the pages of All-Star Squadron?


- FE

[TheHistorian]

...die in combat? Or did they just blip out of existence?

IIRC, they were crushed under a falling building, while saving some people.

[Bill Angus]

Did Roy Thomas ever toss a golen age Aquaman into the pages of All-Star Squadron?

IIRC... sort of. In Young All-Stars he created a new water-based hero to act as an Aquaman stand-in (sorry, don't remember his name).

[Slam_Bradley]

IIRC... sort of. In Young All-Stars he created a new water-based hero to act as an Aquaman stand-in (sorry, don't remember his name).


The GA Aquaman appeared at least once in A-SS. I can't remember the issue off the top of my head, I wanna say #50.

The water-based hero in YAS was Neptune Perkins, who was an actual golden age character. He first appeared in Flash Comics #66.

EDIT: Upon further review it was A-SS #59.

[Calamas]

If memory serves (and it often doesn't) Grant Morrison created and first used the new Mirror Master in Animal Man.

[DDM]

The original Crime Syndicate of America--Ultraman, Superwoman, Power Ring, Johnny Quick, & Owlman--along with the entire Earth-3 universe perished in Crisis #1.

[Bill Angus]

The water-based hero in YAS was Neptune Perkins, who was an actual golden age character. He first appeared in Flash Comics #66.

That's who I was thinking of - though I (obviously) had no idea he was an existing golden-ager.

The GA Aquaman appeared at least once in A-SS. I can't remember the issue off the top of my head, I wanna say #50.

And that I had absolutely no idea about.

[Paul Newell]

Golden Age Robin ceased to exist along with Golden Age Huntress... after they both realized Golden Age Batman didn't exist, either.

Huntress realizing she shouldn't exist before she actually ceases to exist is, to me, the single creepiest moment in CRISIS.

Not quite. They still existed after the realisation. They were disintegrated by the shadow demons with Kole and the Ten Eyed Man during the final battle. Kole had erected a crystal barrier to protect them, but the demons flew straight through it.

But the realisation scene was very creepy.

[Paul Newell]

Are you sure that isn't the new, post-crisis Terra Man? Seems to me they actually bothered making a new one.

Hm, now I need to pull those out and look. Darn early-onset Alzheimers or something.

Not at this point. Who's Who was still showing most Pre-Crisis origins at this point. The only ones I can think of that were changed were the Superman, Superboy and Wonder Woman entries, but they still had the Earth 2 Superman and Wonder Woman included.

I think Terra Man was reintroduced long after the Byrne run and wasn't he also no longer a "cowboy"?

[Paul Newell]

One of Shaggy Man's powers was that of regeneration. In his first appearance, he was decapitated. His head grew a new body and his body grew a new head. even if we accept that one Shaggy was destroyed in the Crisis, the other one may well have survived to become the General.

Cei-U!
I summon the shampoo!

The Shaggy Man that appeared in Morrisons JLA was one of the two that you mentioned. In that original story one of the Shaggy Men was imprisoned at the bottom of the ocean and stayed there until captured by General Eiling's Ultra Marines.

I can't remember what they did with the other, but he was the one that appeared in Crisis.

[JeffreyWKramer]

<Mirror Master> made a bunch of post-Crisis appearances? Or is it a different guy?

The original died in CRISIS. At least two people have used the name/costume since then. One was the now-also-deceased Captain Boomerang, in SUICIDE SQUAD. The second, an assassin, debuted on Grant Morrison's ANIMAL MAN. I haven't been following FLASH for a few years, so I have no idea if that one is the current one.