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milk114
03-21-2005, 11:06 AM
Hi all. Im curious if anyone could name the DC/Marvel teams that are parodied in the Authority under Millar and Morrison. I unfortunately don't have the trades with me but I remember one that looked like the Inhumans, one that looked like some version of the X-Men, Teen Titans, Avengers. And the bad guys from a planet where good guys don't kill, only jail them so they break out again. I guess without the images in front of me I can't get more specific, but I'm sure others know what I;m talking about.

On a more esoteric(sp?) note Im curious why Millar and Morrison whould choose the team members they chose to parody given that every team has gone through numerous member changes. Do the team members have to be *the* iconic team in order for the parody to be transmitted to the audience? Who decides who the "iconic" team is, as it would seem to change for each reader depending on what era they entered comics. Hopefuly someone understands what I;m babbling about. Thanks.

Expletive Deleted
03-21-2005, 11:44 AM
That was one of Millar's favorite gags. On top of the ones you mention, the "replacement" Authority fought a thinly-veiled Legion of Superheroes in one of the Art Adams-drawn issues.

As for the iconic thing . . . it changes generationally, but only on the second and third tier. No matter when you started reading comics, Captain America is an iconic Avenger. And even if you grew up with the Detroit era of the JLA, are you honestly going to say Vibe conveys "JLA-ness" to the audience more than Superman?

I'd say, yeah, using the most iconic or longest-tenured characters is the way to convey what you're trying to say to the largest number of audience members possible.

Loren
03-21-2005, 02:39 PM
Warren Ellis has done much the same thing over in "Planetary." He's used JLA stand-ins on at least three occasions.

The first issue had a whole JLA team get slaughtered. #9 or so had parallels for Superman, Wonder Woman, and Green Lantern...who were good, but also got killed. And the Planetary/Authority one-shot had a brief cameo from another evil alternate JLA.

Loren

Spiff
03-21-2005, 06:46 PM
I was always under the impression that The Authority themselves were analogs of the JLA, but I haven't read enough to pair them up.

Expletive Deleted
03-21-2005, 07:02 PM
I was always under the impression that The Authority themselves were analogs of the JLA, but I haven't read enough to pair them up.I don't see it, myself.

The team that Midnighter and Apollo were originally on, sure, but aside from those two, the rest of The Authority doesn't really track with the JLA.

Maybe I'm missing something.

Paradox
03-21-2005, 08:34 PM
ED is correct. It might appear to the uninitiated that Authority is JLA-like, but that's probably only because of Apollo and the Midnighter being Superman and Batman analogues. But it doesn't really work, because those two were actually on a JLA analogue team that appeared in Stormwatch #4-6 (AKA "A Finer World") and just ended up on Authority. None of the rest of the team is even remotely similar (O.K., maybe someone might call for Swift to be Hawkman or something, but there's really no other similarity there than wings, and how many other characters are there like that?).

http://www.comics.org/graphics/covers/5898/400/5898_4_05.jpg

FunkyGreenJerusalem
03-21-2005, 10:05 PM
Warren Ellis has done much the same thing over in "Planetary." He's used JLA stand-ins on at least three occasions.

The first issue had a whole JLA team get slaughtered. #9 or so had parallels for Superman, Wonder Woman, and Green Lantern...who were good, but also got killed. And the Planetary/Authority one-shot had a brief cameo from another evil alternate JLA.

Loren

the team in the first issue wasn't a JLA based team, the characters were based on the popular heroes from the days of Pulp novels.

Hence there being a Doc Savage, a Shadow, a Tarzan and a Fu Manchu stand-ins.

The Palentary crossover had the appearance of an evil Authority in it.
That was why Planetary wanted to keep tabs on the WU team, in case they ended up like the one's from the bleed.

Spiff
03-21-2005, 11:23 PM
the team in the first issue wasn't a JLA based team, the characters were based on the popular heroes from the days of Pulp novels.

Hence there being a Doc Savage, a Shadow, a Tarzan and a Fu Manchu stand-ins.

The Palentary crossover had the appearance of an evil Authority in it.
That was why Planetary wanted to keep tabs on the WU team, in case they ended up like the one's from the bleed.

I believe he's talking about the team in the first issue that wiped the pulp hero team.

FunkyGreenJerusalem
03-21-2005, 11:33 PM
I believe he's talking about the team in the first issue that wiped the pulp hero team.

Touche.

completly forgot about them.

Sorry Loren, you was right.

Jake V
03-22-2005, 01:15 AM
But you were right concerning the Authority/Planetary crossover book.

There wasn't a JLA analogue, just an evil version of the Authority.

Loren
03-26-2005, 12:18 PM
But you were right concerning the Authority/Planetary crossover book.

There wasn't a JLA analogue, just an evil version of the Authority.

The evil Authority got a whole splash page (and a few panels afterward), but what I thought was an evil JLA only got a single panel, several pages earlier. They were seen flying towards a vortex, I believe. I don't have the book with me, but I didn't think they were the same people.

Loren

Adam Crocker
03-27-2005, 11:40 AM
The evil Authority got a whole splash page (and a few panels afterward), but what I thought was an evil JLA only got a single panel, several pages earlier. They were seen flying towards a vortex, I believe. I don't have the book with me, but I didn't think they were the same people.

It was an evil JLA analogue shown a few panels earlier

Edit: Though it isn't immediately apparent save for the Wonder-Woman analogue, and if it helps to identify the panel they are flying to what looks like the Earth though it is free-floating in the Bleed.