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onizuka

03-20-2005, 05:46 AM

well i like it.

i remember thinking it was pretty crap over the first couple of issues, but the more i read the more it grew on me.

i like the overall culmination of all the arcs into the single conclusion arc at the end and gave continuity a bit of a nudge without blowing the crap out of it. Norman as an insane mastermind with crazy nonsense plans to destroy Peter is exactly the way i like him. i like to think of him as so insane the he's the only one that actually understand the complexity of his plans. to us they might seem convuluted(sp?) and ridiculous, but it all makes pefect sense in his crazy mind.

i like how Venom actually killed a few people, although yes Venom/Scorp should be a lot tougher, even though ultimately i'm a big beleiver in the 'once a schmuk always a schmuk' rule.

so yeah, overall i think it's pretty damn good. the art complements the story wonderfully and it's easy to follow. i gave it a 4.

Artemis1

03-20-2005, 05:48 AM

GG was great, though.

onizuka

03-20-2005, 05:54 AM

GG was great, though.

oh yeah. i'm not a big GG fan but i really do enjoy it when he's all out psycho. he might look and act all cool, calm and collected wearing the suit in the office, but underneath the guy is pure crazy waiting to pop out.

Artemis1

03-20-2005, 05:57 AM

oh yeah. i'm not a big GG fan but i really do enjoy it when he's all out psycho. he might look and act all cool, calm and collected wearing the suit in the office, but underneath the guy is pure crazy waiting to pop out.

Yup. Norman is a monster. Sadly his costume was not all that great.

onizuka

03-20-2005, 06:02 AM

Yup. Norman is a monster. Sadly his costume was not all that great.

least they got rid of the broomstick.

Neolucifer

03-20-2005, 06:09 AM

I thought it was quite good . Ok gargan wasnt that impressive as venom , but it was still good . I also can dig MK's idea of organized crime

Artemis1

03-20-2005, 06:10 AM

OK. Who voted on the poll and didn't reply? There is one person it seems. Don't just vote. I want to make some conversation.

The Wayner

03-20-2005, 07:09 AM

I liked the book when it first started, but it's since just become a burden to read. I'll drop it after #12.

Master Darque

03-20-2005, 07:52 AM

I like it alot .... I'm a Dodson fan . And Frank Cho's issues were gold . Dodson or Cho on Black Cat and MJ ? Can we get a mini series ?
I don't like how this has dragged on for months tho ...Aunt May's kidnapping ....the non-continuity with the other Spidey titles . I'm a continuity freak , and get pissed when it's tossed by the wayside .

Things I didn't like :
Jonah is seen saying how the pic in the paper of a battered Spidey looks VERY familiar .... but then it's dropped . Does he have an idea about Pete or not now ? Also .... Rachel Grey/Summers Whatever ....her powers do not work like that . She doesn't touch stuff and tell you about the person ...what is that , psychometry ? Longshot can do that , but Rachel ? No ... that isn't the kinda psychic she is . Very out of character .

If this Aunt May bizness ain't resolved in the next issue , I doubt Dodson's fantastic art can keep me on .

Doom Hammer

03-20-2005, 10:21 AM

I like all the changes Millar has made. They're unique, they're nifty, they're good ideas.

But the manner in which he made said changes was lame. The series was great at first. "Down Among the Dead Men" was amazing, IMO. But Pete just kept getting his ass kicked, more depressed, and friggin' completely lost his personality. His interactions with other characters were weak.

Plus:

-Norman Osborn as the big brain? Truly unoriginal.

-Spidey hardly even touched the Sinister 12. That could've been a SWEET fight, but the battle was solved by a group of heroes who had almost NOTHING to do with the story. How anticlimactic is that?

-A showdown at the bridge? Well, that's never been done before. :rolleyes:

The amazingness and crappiness sorta cancel out, and made the book average.

olympichero62

03-20-2005, 11:50 AM

1. Mark Millar sucks at writing Spider-Man. It's out of Character and Inconsistant with continuity.

2. JJJ thinks his son is Spidey, which wont be used in continuity. Scorpion knows everything about Spider-man, whats to stop him from going around and telling everyone about spidey. Eddie brock slit his wrists in an alley.

3. The Sinister 12 was grossly overhyped.

4. Norman Osborn is the mastermind. Anyone who reads spider-man could have seen this coming from the first issue.

5. The bridge.........come on lets be original. Tom Defalco even said it was overused when he did it.

There were some pretty cool action scenes by Cho. But being a total Spidey fan, I give this series a.......3/10

GARBAGE

Neolucifer

03-20-2005, 12:48 PM

Well yes Norman Osborn that wasnt original at all . Still are we gonna complain everytime we see him now :D ? More seriously even if unoriginal , i liked him being set as a big part of the anti-super heroes conspiracy .

Now my main complain was indeed the anticlimatic appearance of the Avengers .

That aside what the hell was so "out of character for spidey ?"

Alan2099

03-20-2005, 01:30 PM

It was so-so. The action moved along rather nicely and there were plenty of villians and fights to be seen which is more than I can say for most of the other Spider-man books these days.

Still, there were quitea few problems.

Norman being the mastermind. Norman has become almost a parody of his former self. There's simply no substance to him any more and he's far too over used.

Scorpion becoming Venom almost seemed like a throw away part of the story. There were no huge changes to the Venom character and I really didn't see any need to kill off Eddie. The least they could have done was make the new Venom a mix of his old self and scorpion. That could have been intresting.

The Bridge. Can't Spidey just make a call to Hulk and getb that bridge torn down? I'm sick of seeing it.

The Sinister 12. The name doesn't even work. The fight was pathetic.

Goth Ock and Green Goblin's designs. I hope that we NEVER see these used again.

Michael P

03-20-2005, 01:48 PM

Neolucifer

03-20-2005, 02:15 PM

Scorpion becoming Venom almost seemed like a throw away part of the story. There were no huge changes to the Venom character and I really didn't see any need to kill off Eddie. The least they could have done was make the new Venom a mix of his old self and scorpion. That could have been intresting.

Actually i like Gargan as the new scorpion , even if not yet up to its full potential , in both fighting and spirit . But lets now compare to the past appearances of eddie/Venom . For too long Venom became a parody of himself , in both design (ever since the crappy erik larsen redesign with the grotesque look and hundreds of teeth) and stories . They even went to the level of mostly showing him when carnage appears , and the latest (and horrid) venom serie .
Anyway imo Venom couldnt be in any way worse .
To the point that i even enjoyed in MK spidey the short lived italian mob's nephew as Venom , far more than his last years with Brock .

The whole i'm a nice psycho caring about the innocent , also had to go . Especially after it led to such horrid events as a Punisher/venom "team up" .

Goth Ock and Green Goblin's designs. I hope that we NEVER see these used again.

Actually those were excellent and much needed update . If only the first spidey movie featured that goblin costume instead of the power ranger suit !!

Norman being the mastermind. Norman has become almost a parody of his former self. There's simply no substance to him any more and he's far too over used.

Actually i have a prob with that . Why the hell people are complaining that much about an ARCH ennemy often coming back . Especially when its far less worse and often that the joker always coming back , Lex luthor doing the same , the Red skull ( er..well no longer ... FOR NOW) and many others ...

Grant

03-20-2005, 02:17 PM

The art is pretty. I never read it.

Doom Hammer

03-20-2005, 04:00 PM

Actually i have a prob with that . Why the hell people are complaining that much about an ARCH ennemy often coming back . Especially when its far less worse and often that the joker always coming back , Lex luthor doing the same , the Red skull ( er..well no longer ... FOR NOW) and many others ...

Actually, this is where I disagree with you.

Yes, Spiderman's archenemies will return again and again, and most of the time it's nostalgiac fun for everyone.

However, Norman being the mastermind behind this operation was a very weak copout. It was the most obvious choice, and Norman even told Spidey his plan back in an early issue, but in an ambiguous way.

Anyway, everyone just expected more out of this title.

SUPERECWFAN1

03-20-2005, 04:13 PM

I think It was decent. The Norman Osborn being behind It all sucked. I mean how many times can we see this ? It gets weak as hell. I liked some of the Issues and with the Venom change It Is a huge shocker. I never thought Marvel would kill Eddie Brock so easily. Who could have seen that ?

It kept me reading and Hudin takes over I'll keep reading It.

Neolucifer

03-20-2005, 04:22 PM

Actually, this is where I disagree with you.

Yes, Spiderman's archenemies will return again and again, and most of the time it's nostalgiac fun for everyone.

However, Norman being the mastermind behind this operation was a very weak copout. It was the most obvious choice, and Norman even told Spidey his plan back in an early issue, but in an ambiguous way.

Anyway, everyone just expected more out of this title.

I understand that , and this was more in fact a "general" rant , as i keep hearing the same thing about norman even outside of MK spidey .

Anyway , sure when they build hype like that its dissapointing . From the start , I was like , it wont be norman since its too obvious . And the big foe being Norman could even be a good enough twist , if only it didnt last that many issues .

ghostrider666

03-20-2005, 05:34 PM

I gave it a 4. I really like it, but its not perfect. A cool comic though.

Sean Whitmore

03-20-2005, 07:07 PM

I gave it a 4. I like nine out of every ten things I read in this series, but those few things I didn't like stand out just enough to keep me from loving it.

SEAN

Dennis K

03-20-2005, 08:23 PM

I really like MK Spider-Man, but I'm afriad what's going to happen when the creative team changes.

Sean Whitmore

03-20-2005, 08:30 PM

I really like MK Spider-Man, but I'm afriad what's going to happen when the creative team changes.

Me too. Hudlin isn't exactly blowing my mind over on Black Panther.

SEAN

Will.S

03-20-2005, 08:36 PM

I had to go with a 4. It's entertained me, but there's been at least one thing in each issue I didn't feel. Usually minor, but enough to register. And I won't be hanging around when Millar wraps his run.

I gave it a 4. I like nine out of every ten things I read in this series, but those few things I didn't like stand out just enough to keep me from loving it.

SEAN
Same here, rated it a 4. I have a few problems with some issues, mostly the most recent issue with the cliffhanger being another bridge battle (among other things) but for the most part it's a good Spidey title.

Mister Mets

03-20-2005, 08:42 PM

Based on my reading of the first 11 issues I give this a "5."
It is honest;y one of my favorite Spider-Man stories ever right up there with Amazing Fantasy #15, the Master Planner story, the Death of Gwen Stacy, Nothing Can Stop the Juggernaut, The Kid Who Collected Spider-Man, and Kraven's Last Hunt.

It may very well be the definitive (not the single best) Spider-Man story, and I truly believe it will be remembered decades from now.

Some of the things I've loved so far.....
The Sinister 12
Scorpion as Venom (makes the villain more dangerous)
The violent Spider-Man VS. Electro fight
The sympathetic yet violent Vulture.
Owl tricking Spider-Man.
The desecration of Uncle Ben's grave
Peter's grief over the loss of his beloved Aunt May
Peter's new financial problems.
The evil Norman Osborn.

knightsintights

03-20-2005, 11:19 PM

It may very well be the definitive (not the single best) Spider-Man story, and I truly believe it will be remembered decades from now.

Some of the things I've loved so far.....
The Sinister 12
Scorpion as Venom (makes the villain more dangerous)
The violent Spider-Man VS. Electro fight
The sympathetic yet violent Vulture.
Owl trickign Spider-Man.
The desecration of Uncle Ben's grave
Peter's grief over his believed loss of Aunt May
Peter's new financial problems.
The evil Norman Osborn.

I Give this series a 5. I have always been a DC guy and never really ever read any Spider-man Comics, this is the first series I have picked up and started reading and I have been blown away. Everything about the story and art, Man itsw just great story telling. Because of this story I have begun to collect Amazing Spider-man. One of the Best stories of the Year.

;)

Brian R

03-21-2005, 12:00 AM

The series had great artwork, with Dodson and Cho splitting the duties, but its not enough. Mark Millar is a talented writer, but he does NOT know how to write Spider-Man, period. I got the first three issues, then dropped this, and through those three issues Peter did not act like the person I know from years of ASM.

2.5/5 -just for the awesome artwork.

EDIT: Changed my rating to fit the scale, stupid me.

comic_lover

03-21-2005, 12:13 AM

Personally, I give it a 1. It's terrible! They make Norman lose to Peter when Petey couldn't even MOVE(last time Norman gave Peter a beat down like that, GG kicked Spiderman's a$$ hard), Electro got a new Magneto rip off power, Dock Ock looks like a Goth, Scorpian got a Venom suit, MJ is acting stupid, ect.1=It sucks.....and for all the reasons you've given above...especially having Scorpion in Venom's suit..... :rolleyes: I miss Eddie Brock already.

comic_lover

03-21-2005, 12:15 AM

The series had great artwork, with Dodson and Cho splitting the duties, but its not enough. Mark Millar is a talented writer, but he does NOT know how to write Spider-Man, period. I got the first three issues, then dropped this, and through those three issues Peter did not act like the person I know from years of ASM.

5/10 -just for the awesome artwork.What he said.You're more forgiving than I am though,although I love the artwork,the stories are just too horrible to ignore.

Brian R

03-21-2005, 12:21 AM

What he said.You're more forgiving than I am though,although I love the artwork,the stories are just too horrible to ignore.

Well, maybe its because I only read the first three books, before it had a chance to scar me? ;)

We R. Venom

03-21-2005, 09:40 AM

The art was great. The continuity sucked. The green goblin mastermind bridge thing continues to get so old and overused its sickning. Not original what so ever, and killing off eddie brock to make some new scorpion symbiote was complete trash! Theyre will never be any suprises for us spidey fans cuz its always fu@#$%# Norman. Give someone else a chance.

Sean Whitmore

03-21-2005, 10:18 AM

The continuity sucked.

I would actually say the continuity is pretty good, with a few slips here and there. Way better than an average Paul Jenkins story.

and killing off eddie brock to make some new scorpion symbiote was complete trash!

I've gotta disagree there. Eddie has been as good as dead for a good ten years now. The moron who appeared in all those godawful Venom minis and the Mackie Spider-Man and the Jenkins Spider-Man never actually acted like Eddie anyway, so it's not like we lost anything important. I've been mourning Venom as a villain since the mid 90s, myself.

Besides, Eddie's not actually dead. So the next writer who wants to use Venom but doesn't want to put any actual thought into it will bring him right back. :)

SEAN

Mister Mets

03-21-2005, 10:36 AM

I Give this series a 5. I have always been a DC guy and never really ever read any Spider-man Comics, this is the first series I have picked up and started reading and I have been blown away. Everything about the story and art, Man itsw just great story telling. Because of this story I have begun to collect Amazing Spider-man. One of the Best stories of the Year.

;)

Dude, I would really recommend for you Wizard's Best of Spider-Man Hardcover. It's simply an amazing collection of great stories.

Captain Blitz

03-21-2005, 10:45 AM

I think the stories are rather solid, not bad, not very good.

The amazing art really gets things done, so overall it´s a good book, so I voted a 4.

LiquidSnakeX

03-21-2005, 07:59 PM

i choose good. The only downside to this entire thing is that its hard tp place in continuity. I saw the avengers in th elatest issue and all the memebers seem to be there so its pre disassembled. BUt the question is when did norman escape jail after luke cage put him there...after you figure that out it might fit perfectly.

devin102

03-21-2005, 08:12 PM

I didn't like the first few issues much, but between Dodson and Cho this title is easily tops in the art department among the Spidey monthlies. I've found this series contains a lot of action and pretty good writing, it's a real page turner for me. Cho drew an incredible shot of Spidey jumping through a van windshield in mid-air, the most stunning visual I've seen in a long time. I will be moving to trades for MK Spidey when Hudlin takes over, right now I can't wait to see how Millar wraps up his last arc.

olympichero62

03-21-2005, 08:16 PM

I would actually say the continuity is pretty good, with a few slips here and there. Way better than an average Paul Jenkins story.

I've gotta disagree there. Eddie has been as good as dead for a good ten years now. The moron who appeared in all those godawful Venom minis and the Mackie Spider-Man and the Jenkins Spider-Man never actually acted like Eddie anyway, so it's not like we lost anything important. I've been mourning Venom as a villain since the mid 90s, myself.

Besides, Eddie's not actually dead. So the next writer who wants to use Venom but doesn't want to put any actual thought into it will bring him right back. :)

SEAN

Granted i see where your coming from on the continuity, but with cocern to eddie, the second i see him walking around again is when he's alive to me. In the comic spidey said he didnt make it through the night, si i took him as dead. people have theyre different takes on eddie, but there aint no venom without him.

Sean Whitmore

03-21-2005, 08:20 PM

BUt the question is when did norman escape jail after luke cage put him there...after you figure that out it might fit perfectly.

Bendis promised it would all work out by the end of the first Pulse arc, but apparently he couldn't be bothered. Still, it's no stretch at all to imagine Norman just broke out once he was jailed. Doctor Octopus breaks out off-panel several times a year, and nobody bats an eye.

SEAN

BlueOrange25

03-21-2005, 08:21 PM

I give it a 3. It hasn't been bad, but I have enjoyed the slight revamping of some older villains.

The Shadow

03-21-2005, 08:25 PM

pretty art

mediocre story

bad ending with Goblin being the baddie

Sean Whitmore

03-21-2005, 08:31 PM

In the comic spidey said he didnt make it through the night, si i took him as dead.

Remember, he said Eddie "probably wouldn't" make it through the night. So he was still alive as of that issue.

And how many times has Doc Ock "probably" been killed in collapsing buildings and plunges into the river and nuclear bomb explosions? Literally, he survived a nuclear explosion once. Eddie will be fine. ;)

SEAN

Charagon

03-21-2005, 09:23 PM

The only thing that kept me on past issue #1 was the art. I dropped it at issue #2.

Sean Whitmore

03-21-2005, 09:25 PM

The only thing that kept me on past issue #1 was the art. I dropped it at issue #2.

#2 was a pretty horrible issue, and it almost made me drop the series as well. If it's worth anything, it did get better. :)

SEAN

olympichero62

03-22-2005, 04:58 PM

I don't remember what happened in number 2??

Was that the Electro fight?

Or the one where he runs around looking for people?

Sean Whitmore

03-22-2005, 05:07 PM

I don't remember what happened in number 2??

Was that the Electro fight?

Or the one where he runs around looking for people?

#2 was right before the Electro fight, where Spidey sought out the Avengers for help. And that's what really killed the issue for me, Spidey's interaction with them. You'd almost think they were the Ultimates. And then Spidey refuses the Avengers help to keep his identity secret, and then goes and shows a photo of Aunt May to the friggin' Owl?

That, and the inferences to Electro's "prison adventure" seemed way too much like Millar just trying to be shocking (although it did net me the idea for a web-comic where I proceeded to beat the joke into the ground ;)).

SEAN

streator

03-22-2005, 05:16 PM

i gave it a 4, good. i admittedly enjoyed the first six or seven issues more so than the tail-end ones.

leg end

03-23-2005, 10:03 AM

I love it. The art is great and its the only current spider-title that I really enjoy. Amazing I read out of habit now and Spectacular has, IMO, awful art.
I find this title good and kinda gave up on continuity between the spider books a while ago.
i would like to see more continuity- May gone for weeks but in other titles there was no mention? Rumours are continuity will play more of a part soon: I've never liked big crossovers but continuity can be used well, even if it's only a quick mention to other events.
But generally I find the series good, enjoyable if somewaht mindless fun.

Andy S.

03-23-2005, 11:08 AM

Overall, I really enjoy it. The writing is clever, fresh and exciting and the artwork is dynamic. Rated it a 4, because even though i like it, the title lacks the humor and fun that i usually associate with Spider-man.

Where are Spidey's quips?

Still, overall a worthy series to read.

Mister Mets

03-23-2005, 03:28 PM

#2 was right before the Electro fight, where Spidey sought out the Avengers for help. And that's what really killed the issue for me, Spidey's interaction with them. You'd almost think they were the Ultimates. And then Spidey refuses the Avengers help to keep his identity secret, and then goes and shows a photo of Aunt May to the friggin' Owl?

That, and the inferences to Electro's "prison adventure" seemed way too much like Millar just trying to be shocking (although it did net me the idea for a web-comic where I proceeded to beat the joke into the ground ;)).

SEAN

I actually liked Issue 2 (it was weaker than the other issues, but I still liked it) but your parody was pretty damn funny.

I find criticisms of the bad ending funny since Issue 12 won't be released for another week.

devin102

03-24-2005, 09:13 PM

Below are links to a couple of online previews for the next two issues of MK Spidey:

MK Spidey #12 Preview at Comics Continuum (http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0503/24/marvelfirsts.htm)

MK Spidey #13 Preview at Mile High Comics (http://www.milehighcomics.com/firstlook/marvel/mkspidey13/)

kramden

03-25-2005, 03:56 PM

#11 fuckin kicked fuckin` ass. it was a delightfully wonderful read

RandallFlagg19

03-25-2005, 07:20 PM

Faust451

03-25-2005, 07:28 PM

I uh, don't read it, but...I voted.

Sorry.
From what I've heard and flipped through, it's good. Sometimes it seems that Millar tried to do too much at one time, all the time. But whatever...

My two cents.

Thanks
:)

Sean Whitmore

03-25-2005, 07:46 PM

Is Marvel Knights Spider-Man in normal Marvel continuity? In The Pulse, Luke Cage takes out Norman and reveals him as the Green Goblin, but in Marvel Knights Spider-Man Peter takes Norman down.

Confused.

Norman will provide some lip-service to the events from The Pulse in the next issue. Something to the effect of "after I escaped from Cage" or somesuch. Not entirely accurate, but firmly establishing the timeline. :)

SEAN

devin102

03-26-2005, 01:02 AM

chicainery

03-26-2005, 02:31 AM

How many of you will be sticking with MK Spidey after Millar leaves? I plan to move to TPBs beginning with Hudlin's first arc, I've never read his work but have heard both good and bad reviews. I'm more disappointed with the departure of the Dodsons and Cho, the online art previews I've see of Billy Tan's work has not been very impressive.

I'm gonna stick with it because I'm a sucker. Also, from what I've seen thus far, I'm not impressed by Tan's Spidey work either. Of course, I've seen very little so far.

Predator

03-26-2005, 09:39 AM

I only read the first four issues. The art was really good, but the writing (and by extension, the book) was only so-so. I haven't picked up the series again, and from what I've heard it doesn't sound like I missed much.

CodeMonkey

03-26-2005, 11:28 AM

I gave it a 2.

While not being the worst book I've ever read, it certainly wasn't even as good as the average book I read.

The finale went out with a whimper. A mystic living in new york can take Aunt May off the Map of the Marvel Universe for a thousand bucks? We had Marvel Girl, Doc Strange, and pretty much alluded to everyone in the Marvel Universe giving it a shot trying to find her. And they all drew blanks. That was a weak point in the story.

The bridge rehash has already been mentioned. The lack of Spider-Man actually fighting the assemblage of villains brought before him.

The final fight with Osborn bored me to tears. The person who mentioned that Osborn has become a parody of himself hit the nail on the head.

Overall, I found the dialogue to be severely lacking and am just glad it's all over.

Nightcrawler

03-26-2005, 12:10 PM

It's pretty good, but I like Amazing more.

Mister Mets

06-02-2006, 05:50 PM

Bump.

Just to see what people think of this story more than an year after it came to an end.

Red Lotus

06-02-2006, 05:59 PM

At first I really liked it. It had a dark tone and feel to it. But then it kind of lost that the long it went on.

Alan2099

06-02-2006, 06:02 PM

A year later, it's almost completley forgettable except as "another Green Goblin plot" and the story that ruined the Scorpion.

TheUltimateMike

06-03-2006, 10:56 AM

I love it. I loved seeing Spidy smash Gobby with a mailbox and the citizen complaining about it. Cho and Dodson did great work as well. I thought the villans up was cool, and agree with a previous poster about Brock, he got so watered down in the mini's that he just wasn't the same spidey-hater (at least in my eyes) that I loved in the early 300's.

Red Berens

06-04-2006, 10:14 AM

I'm just getting into Spiderman, and this was one of the books I read. I do have one stupid question though - is this a different universe Spiderman, or just darker stories?

Chinchalinchin

06-04-2006, 11:57 AM

I had no idea this many people didn't like the storyline. What is wrong with you people?

God forbid someone try something new. Mix up the status quo a little.

Sean Whitmore

06-04-2006, 12:08 PM

Parts of it were very good, but it devolved into tired averageness for the last act. Green Goblin's behind it all? Yawn. The Avengers show up to fight the Sinister 13 instead of Spidey? Yawwwwn. Spider-Man defeats the new Venom/Scorpion combo with an ease that he could never beat either one alone with? Yaaaaaaaawn. That goddamn bridge? YAWN!!!!

To paraphrase Scrubs: "Y'see, I say 'yawn' because when I actually yawn, they don't get it."

SEAN

BeastieRunner

06-04-2006, 12:09 PM

God forbid someone try something new. Mix up the status quo a little.

That's why I loved it. It changed Spider-man but not in a Sins Pasts kind of way. My only gripe is Green Goblin being the mastermind again. Gargenom or Doc Ock need to kick his ass and kill him off again.

Alan2099

06-04-2006, 12:20 PM

I had no idea this many people didn't like the storyline. What is wrong with you people?

God forbid someone try something new. Mix up the status quo a little.
And what exactly was "new" that hasn't been done before?

Violently Apathetic

06-04-2006, 01:02 PM

*shrugs* I liked it, if only for the art, the fact that Electro, while not given his god like abilites from previous stories, was written as a major threat and some of the early Green Goblin/Spider-Man interactions. I didn't like the treatment of Eddie Brock, nor the bridge sequence and at times it did fall back to the same old cliches.

Also, someone earlier said that Millar writes Spidey out of character. I didn't feel he was that off, does anyone care to elaborate on his OCCness?

Sean Whitmore

06-04-2006, 01:11 PM

Also, someone earlier said that Millar writes Spidey out of character. I didn't feel he was that off, does anyone care to elaborate on his OCCness?

Millar does tack on his cynical sense of humor to whoever he's writing. I don't think Peter was ever really OOC, but he did have some uncharacteristic lines like, "For God's sake, Norman, you're a 40 year old man!"

SEAN

Mister Mets

06-04-2006, 01:49 PM

Millar does tack on his cynical sense of humor to whoever he's writing. I don't think Peter was ever really OOC, but he did have some uncharacteristic lines like, "For God's sake, Norman, you're a 40 year old man!"

SEAN

I believe it was "55 year old man." Otherwise Norman would've been very young when his son was conceived/ born.

And what exactly was "new" that hasn't been done before?

One of Spider-Man's greatest enemies was brainwashed into trying to kill another. This led to the first meeting between the Green Goblin, and Doctor Octopus.

One of Spider-Man's oldest enemies became the new host for Venom.

The Venom symbiote was briefly in the hands of an inexperienced young villain (one whose life mirrored Peter's.)

J Jonah Jameson realized the possibility that Spider-Man is someone he loves.

Mary Jane calls other superheroes to save her husband (I don't really recall this happening before.)

A drugged out of his mind (on painkillers) Spider-Man is viciously beaten by an enemy.

There were some other things too....

BeastieRunner

06-04-2006, 01:54 PM

"For God's sake, Norman, you're a 40 year old man!"

I personally thought that bit was funny.

Sean Whitmore

06-04-2006, 02:15 PM

I personally thought that bit was funny.

It kinda was, it's just not something I could see Peter actually saying. I mean, the man's an insane super villain returned from the grave, and Peter's trying to seriously talk him down because he's old?

SEAN

Violently Apathetic

06-04-2006, 03:33 PM

It kinda was, it's just not something I could see Peter actually saying. I mean, the man's an insane super villain returned from the grave, and Peter's trying to seriously talk him down because he's old?

SEAN

I saw it more like Peter was pointing out the absurdity of the situation and their rivalry as a whole. They basically both commented on the same thing in 'Spider-Man: A Death in the Family' with the entire 'Mr.Coffee' bit. So I saw it as less 'HAHA, you're old!' but rather 'This is ridiculous, Norman! When will this ludicrous dance of ours' end?!!'