Ms. Marvel Powers

[Dark Phoenix]

Now that Rogue has lost all the powers and memories she stole from Carol years ago, how come they did not revert back to Carol. What happened to them? Where did they go?

[Expletive Deleted]

They're just gone. That's how Rogue's powers work.

And besides, Carol's more powerful now than she was with her original power set.

[Neolucifer]

I'd like to know as well , but i dont expect any possible explanations/work around before house of M get resolved , given its "massive Mu changes" nature .

[Gaz]

Now that Rogue has lost all the powers and memories she stole from Carol years ago, how come they did not revert back to Carol. What happened to them? Where did they go?
It's not like that, they were permenantly removed and were lost when Rogue's powers were rebooted.

[Brian R]

They're just gone. That's how Rogue's powers work.

And besides, Carol's more powerful now than she was with her original power set.

Really? As far as I know, her current powers are:

-Flight
-Strength in the 10-20 ton class
-Ability to absorb energy
-After absorbing energy, can increase her strength to class 100, or use it to fire energy blasts


I thought that she was stronger physically back in the day, and the energy drain was put in place as a way to power her up, but if she has nothing to drain then shouldnt Classic Ms. Marvel be tougher?

[Dermie]

Really? As far as I know, her current powers are:

-Flight
-Strength in the 10-20 ton class
-Ability to absorb energy
-After absorbing energy, can increase her strength to class 100, or use it to fire energy blasts


I thought that she was stronger physically back in the day, and the energy drain was put in place as a way to power her up, but if she has nothing to drain then shouldnt Classic Ms. Marvel be tougher?

My understanding is that Warbird is approximately as strong now as she was as Ms. Marvel--basically, back down to her original strength level....but it can be boosted temporarily by absorbing energy.

So, she is basically back to the equivalent of her Ms. Marvel powers...but now with the energy blasts (and absorption abilities) thrown in.

[Brian R]

My understanding is that Warbird is approximately as strong now as she was as Ms. Marvel--basically, back down to her original strength level....but it can be boosted temporarily by absorbing energy.

So, she is basically back to the equivalent of her Ms. Marvel powers...but now with the energy blasts (and absorption abilities) thrown in.

I see, but arent the energy blasts contingent on her absorbing some energy?

[Dermie]

I see, but arent the energy blasts contingent on her absorbing some energy?

No, the energy blasts are permanent. That is part of her standard power set now. Basically, her current powers are the powers she had as Binary...just at a much reduced level (down to approximately where they were when she was Ms. Marvel).
The only thing the energy absorption does is recharge her if she's gotten weak, or give her a boost of extra power if needed.

[Will.S]

Now that Rogue has lost all the powers and memories she stole from Carol years ago, how come they did not revert back to Carol. What happened to them? Where did they go?
What image did you get that avatar from? I want it!

Anyway Warbird is pretty tough again nowadays but I think her base strength level decreased some after Rogue's power drainage since Rogue is class 50 with Carol probably around 30 or so.

[Brian R]

No, the energy blasts are permanent. That is part of her standard power set now. Basically, her current powers are the powers she had as Binary...just at a much reduced level (down to approximately where they were when she was Ms. Marvel).
The only thing the energy absorption does is recharge her if she's gotten weak, or give her a boost of extra power if needed.

Thank you very much Dermie, but now I have one final question... for all the money(meaning zero): What class strength does Carol have? I haver never been sure on this. Thank you.

[Dermie]

Thank you very much Dermie, but now I have one final question... for all the money(meaning zero): What class strength does Carol have? I haver never been sure on this. Thank you.

Sorry, can't help you. There has been no ranking for Carol in that system since she became Warbird. The newer editions of the Handbooks no longer use that rating system.

[Brian R]

Sorry, can't help you. There has been no ranking for Carol in that system since she became Warbird. The newer editions of the Handbooks no longer use that rating system.

AHA! You lose, sorry, no no-prize for you! ;)

I guess if you dont know Dermie, then there truly is no answer to that question. Thanks for all your help.

[Will.S]

Sorry, can't help you. There has been no ranking for Carol in that system since she became Warbird. The newer editions of the Handbooks no longer use that rating system.
Well the 2004 book should still be viable so just going on that the bar is set on 4 which according to the back of the book says 800lbs-25 ton range. Of course she can vary her strength depending on the energy around her at the time that she can absorb but that seems to be her normal base strength.

[DDM]

Carol Danvers: first appearance: Marvel Super-Heroes #14

Carol Danvers originally did not possess any superhuman powers. She was kidnapped by Yon-Rogg & exposed by the Kree Psyche Magnatron which gave Carol virtually the same abilities the original Captain Marvel possessed. However, the experience split her mind in two: Ms. Marvel & Carol Danvers.

original Ms. Marvel powers: first appearance (as Ms. Marvel): Ms. Marvel #1, origin: Captain Marvel #17 (volume 1)


Carol could psioncally change from her regular clothes to her Ms. Marvel costume (Rogue could not do this).
7th sense powers (precognative flashes that would warn Carol of impending dangers; she would see images relating to her future months, weeks, days, or hours ahead of time). Likewise, Carol's 7th sense power allowed Ms. Marvel to anticipate her opponents actions as well. (Rogue did not have access to Ms. Marvel's 7th sense powers.)
Ms. Marvel could lift (press) about the same superhuman strength as the original Captain Marvel (Rogue's superhuman strength was a 40 tons, far stronger than Mar-Vell ever was).
Superhuman agility, reflexes, etc..
natural invulnerability, her body created super-antibodies against natural toxins, poisons, etc al, natural resistance to injury
flight (able to fly in space without a special suit).


Binary powers: first appearance (as Binary): Uncanny X-Men #164, origin: Uncanny X-Men #162-163

Carol Danvers mutated into the cosmic powered Binary after being exposed to the Brood's Evolutionary Ray; the ray activated her hybrid Kree-human genes. Carol created a new costume using her cosmic powers when she became Binary; it's a variation of her second Ms. Marvel costume.


Binary could fly in the vacuum of space, create space warps, & fly at light speed.
Binary could lift (press) 100 tons
Carol could tap into a white hole & draw upon the energies of a star; she then would psionically choose which energies to manifest: x-rays, gamma rays, etc al.
Binary could fire starbolts from her hands.
invulnerability (in her Binary state)
Carol could only stay in her cosmic state for short lengths of time if she expanded a great amount of energies.
As Binary, Carol's head, arms, & legs were bathed in cosmic flame; her skin would turn red when she became Binary.


Warbird powers: first appearance (as Warbird): Avengers#4 (volume 3)

Warbird is essentially "Bianry-lite." In other words, Carol's Binary powers are cut in half.


Warbird can fly at the speed of sound.
Warbird can lift (press) 50 tons.
Warbird still possesses superhuman strength, agility, & speed, but not related to her Ms. Marvel powers. Again, Carol still taps into a white hole to gain access to her powers.
Warbird can fire bolts of energy from her hands.
Warbird remains naturally invulnerable to poisons & her body is resistant to injury.
Warbird can absorb other forms of energy to temporarily gain the powers she once had as Binary, but the effect only lasts until the energy source runs out.
Warbird can no longer fly in space of her own power.

[Dark Phoenix]

I thought the white hole that Carol was connected to as Binary collapsed and she lost the ability to tap that as a source of her power?

I know Claremont made her uber powerful as he tends to do with the women he writes (Phoenix, Rogue, Storm) . No reason Carol shouldn't be brought back to that level.

But back to the Rogue thing, when she loses the powers she steals, they normally revert back to their original host. I know that the Ms Marvel powers were supposed to be permanently hers, but suppose they just took a real long time to revert back? And didn't Rogue occasionally have some small degree of Ms Marvel's 7th Sense?

Honestly, I'd rather have Carol with her Binary power and get Rogue back the Ms Marvel power. She has been less interesting since she lost them.

[DDM]

I thought the white hole that Carol was connected to as Binary collapsed and she lost the ability to tap that as a source of her power?

I know Claremont made her uber powerful as he tends to do with the women he writes (Phoenix, Rogue, Storm) . No reason Carol shouldn't be brought back to that level.

But back to the Rogue thing, when she loses the powers she steals, they normally revert back to their original host. I know that the Ms Marvel powers were supposed to be permanently hers, but suppose they just took a real long time to revert back? And didn't Rogue occasionally have some small degree of Ms Marvel's 7th Sense?

Honestly, I'd rather have Carol with her Binary power and get Rogue back the Ms Marvel power. She has been less interesting since she lost them.


No, Rogue permanently absorbed Ms. Marvel's powers & psyche. "Ms. Marvel" existed as a dual psyche in Rogue's mind; however, for the most part, the "Ms. Marvel" personality did not emerge until Uncanny X-Men #182, but was shown to protect Rogue in Uncanny X-Men #235-238. After the X-Men's first encounter with the Genoshan Magistrates, the "Ms. Marvel" personality would act as Rogue's back-up if she were knocked unconscious in a fight. The "Ms. Marvel" personality started to emerge more often--which made Rogue mad. Rogue sought to be permanently separated from "Ms. Marvel" & got her wish when she emerged from Siege Perilous in Uncanny X-Men #269. Yet, even after it was revealed both women shared one lifeforce, Rogue was saved by Magneto before the corrupt "Ms. Marvel" could kill Rogue. Magneto intergrated "Ms. Marvel" back into Rogue's biomatrix. Rogue's Ms. Marvel's powers came back in Uncanny X-Men #275 during Magneto, Rogue, & Nick Fury's battle with Zaladane & the Savage Land Mutates.

The real Carol Danvers was still in deep space with the Starjammers. Carol still had a grudge against Rogue because Rogue literally took all of Carol's emotional memories into herself (creating the "Ms. Marvel" dual psyche). That's why, as Binary, Carol punched Rogue into orbit in Uncanny X-Men #171. Binary decided not to join the X-Men since Xavier had accepted Rogue into the team. Carol still doesn't have all of her memories Rogue took from her in Avengers Annual #10.

Rogue did not manifest Ms. Marvel's 7th sense. It may or may not have manifested when Rogue fought the Magus in Uncanny X-Men #192.
Rogue never talked about her Ms. Marvel powers or the Carol Danvers psyche. It was one of the reasons Rogue left the X-Men in Uncanny X-Men #185 which lead to Storm losing her powers in the same issue.