Suspect Admits Killing Missing Florida Girl [Archive]

Dee3

03-18-2005, 09:40 PM

[QUOTE=By Mike Branom AP,

HOMOSASSA Fla. (March 18)
A registered sex offender admitted Friday that he kidnapped and killed a 9-year-old girl who disappered from her bedroom more then three weeks ago and told the police where they could find her body,authorities said.

John Evander Couey, 46 had been arrested Thursday and named a person of interest in Jessica Lunsford's dissapearance. He confessed to authorites after taking a lie-detector test,Citrus County Sheriff Jeff Dawsy

At the end of the the Polygraph he said "you don't have to tell me the results. I know what they are". Dawsy said he apologized to investigators for wasting our time.

Authorities cordoned off an area Friday near the home of Couey's half sister, who lived 150 yards from the home Jessica shared with her father and grandparents. Dawsy would not comment on what investigators were doing in the area,but said it would take hours to Police have yet to recover a body.

A sheriff spokeswoman who answerd the phone at the Lunsford home Friday evening said the family declined to make any immdiate comment. Jessica's father,Mark Lunsford,has said the family did not know Couey.

Jessica's Step-Father, Lonnie Bryant, told the Associated Press by telephone from Ohio that he and the girls mother,Angela Bryant planned to come to Florida soon.

"Im Going though agony right now."

Jessica a thrid grader,was last seen when she went to bed in her home Feb 23, She was discovered missing the next morning ,with the door unlocked and her stuffed animal gone. The clothes she had laid out for shcool were still in place ,none of her shoes were missing .

More then 100 police and volunteers,with help from bloodhounds and helicopters, searched the area north of Tampa for days following her dissapearance. Jessica's Family made emotional appeals on national televison for her safe return.

Detectives grew interested in Couey while interviewing registered sex offenders in the area. They tried to contact Couey st his home in Homosassa dive days after Jessicas disappeared and discoverd he no longer lived there.

when investigators followed up with the half sister she denied that Couey lived with her. But another confided to a detective that Couey sometimes stayed at her home.

Authorities said Couey left Florida on or about March 4 after telling relatives that police were looking for him. He was arrested in Augusta, Ga,, on a proation violation for failing to notfy officials that he was moving, a requirement for sex offenders. He was awaiting extrodition to Florida Friday.

Couey has an extensive crimanal record that includes 24 arrests for burglary carrying a concealed weapon and indecent expossure. In 1991, he was arrested in Kissimmee on a charge of fondeling a child under the age of 16. Records don't show the case was resolved.

During a house burglary in 1978, Couey was accused of grabbing a girl in her bedroom placing his hand over her mouth and kissing her, Dawsy said Couey was sentenced to 10 years but was parloed in 1980.]

This guy is a real dirtball, My heart goes out to the family her poor father must be devistated by the news. He was so desperate on the TV. The sad thing is I kinda saw it coming usually in these cases the kids turn up dead. It also reminds me of the Poly Klass case.

The funny thing is on the message boards people seem to bring up race and politics into this where it doesn't belong.Sometimes I wonder about our justice system how can we let dirtballs such as Couey out.

Alex

03-18-2005, 09:43 PM

JeffreyWKramer

03-18-2005, 09:46 PM

"Couey has an extensive crimanal record that includes 24 arrests for burglary carrying a concealed weapon and indecent expossure. In 1991, he was arrested in Kissimmee on a charge of fondeling a child under the age of 16. Records don't show the case was resolved."
Bullshit that this guy was free with that many arrests, and look what happened because of this.

You can bet if he'd had 24 drug trafficking arrests, he'd never see daylight again, but because he only did such minor things as armed burglary and sexual molestation of minor, here he is.

Fucked up legal system, all I have to say about it.

Dee3

03-18-2005, 09:46 PM

I know it's discusting. I hate to think of what he did to poor Jessica and her family is going to hear every detail in court.

JeffreyWKramer

03-18-2005, 09:49 PM

I know it's discusting. I hate to think of what he did to poor Jessica and her family is going to hear every detail in court.

Well, if he confesses, we can hope he enters a plea of guilty to at least save them that. Or maybe we'll get lucky and he'll get shivved while in custody.

Alex

03-18-2005, 09:50 PM

You can bet if he'd had 24 drug trafficking arrests, he'd never see daylight again, but because he only did such minor things as armed burglary and sexual molestation of minor, here he is.

Fucked up legal system, all I have to say about it.
Heres another question.
He was living in that neighborhood, he molested a kid.
Why the fuck didn't they know about it? I thought they had to make that information known?

Dee3

03-18-2005, 09:51 PM

Well, if he confesses, we can hope he enters a plea of guilty to at least save them that. Or maybe we'll get lucky and he'll get shivved while in custody.
Maybe, one can only hope. The poor thing was only nine years old.

Dee3

03-18-2005, 09:52 PM

Heres another question.
He was living in that neighborhood, he molested a kid.
Why the fuck didn't they know about it? I thought they had to make that information known?
I really don't know Alex.

JeffreyWKramer

03-18-2005, 09:53 PM

Heres another question.
He was living in that neighborhood, he molested a kid.
Why the fuck didn't they know about it? I thought they had to make that information known?

"Making it public" in many places means a little note on page 37 of the local paper, or some obscure internet posting or something. Doing things like putting up big billboards of such scumbags is seen as "unnecessarily punitive".

Fuck that. I'd be all for tattooing "sex criminal" on their foreheads in fluorescent ink.

Alex

03-18-2005, 09:53 PM

I really don't know Alex.
I swear to god, if this guy doesn't get death, then i will lose what little faith i have left in the courts.

JeffreyWKramer

03-18-2005, 09:57 PM

I swear to god, if this guy doesn't get death, then i will lose what little faith i have left in the courts.

If he enters a plea, he can't get death. If he's tried, he will get it. This is FL. But then he hangs around for another decade at least, like Bundy and other such slugs.

The problem is, he didn't get life without parole long, long ago.

Alex

03-18-2005, 10:08 PM

If he enters a plea, he can't get death. If he's tried, he will get it. This is FL. But then he hangs around for another decade at least, like Bundy and other such slugs.

The problem is, he didn't get life without parole long, long ago.
Then they can fix the mistake now.

Dee3

03-18-2005, 10:09 PM

Then again he could always find a great Defense Attorney.

Alex

03-18-2005, 10:10 PM

Then again he could always find a great Defense Attorney.
Yeah, id love to see the guy who defends an admitted child murderer and lifetime criminal.

JeffreyWKramer

03-18-2005, 10:11 PM

Then they can fix the mistake now.

Yeah. After some 9 year old girl is raped and murdered. Better late than never, I suppose, but "not late" would have been lots better.

Alex

03-18-2005, 10:12 PM

Yeah. After some 9 year old girl is raped and murdered. Better late than never, I suppose, but "not late" would have been lots better.
It's certainly been a banner week for the nations law inforcement.

Dee3

03-18-2005, 10:13 PM

Well we can always send the guy to Antartica or Siberia.

Alex

03-18-2005, 10:14 PM

Well we can always send the guy to Antartica or Siberia.
I don't think they do that, its "Cruel" and he has "Human Rights."
Because for some reason, acting inhuman isn't enough to justify treating him like an asshole child killer.

JeffreyWKramer

03-18-2005, 10:15 PM

It's certainly been a banner week for the nations law inforcement.

Actually, this problem isn't with law enforcement. It's with legislators (not making penalties for violent crime and sex crimes severe enough), the judicial (not tossing the book at assholes like this) and the corrections/parole system.

The cops did their job. The people who failed are the ones who kept passing the buck while the cops kept doing their job.

Dee3

03-18-2005, 10:16 PM

Yeah, id love to see the guy who defends an admitted child murderer and lifetime criminal.
Well there is always someone willing to do it. How well we don't know.

Ronald Bryan

03-18-2005, 10:32 PM

Then again he could always find a great Defense Attorney.
He's not rich.

Dee3

03-18-2005, 10:44 PM

He's not rich.
No,No he's not... :evilsmile
But he still a God Damn Baby Killer.

Ronald Bryan

03-18-2005, 10:47 PM

Here's what I hope happens with this guy. I hope he enters a plea, gets life in prison. And then they release him into the general population at the prison. Because when it comes to these type of people, the other prisoners tend to have a distaste for them.

Boldido

03-19-2005, 04:26 AM

He won't enter a guilty plea because they will undoubtedly seek the death penalty. This case is too high profile. He will get a Public Defender who will first try to have the confession suppressed. The impression I get from the Citrus County Sheriff is that they were really dotting their I's and crossing their T's on this one. I hope my impression is correct. They will then seek a change of venue which may or may not be granted. When I was up in Crystal River, about two miles north of Homosassa, two weeks ago, every business in town had posters up of Jessica Lunsford. There were several homemade pleas in highway medians for her safe return. I doubt this guy could get anything resembling a fair trial in Citrus, so I hope they move it to Hillsborough so we can find him guilty and sentence him to life in prison.

FunkyGreenJerusalem

03-19-2005, 04:31 AM

The impression I get from the Citrus County Sheriff is that they were really dotting their I's and crossing their T's on this one.

So a girl was missing and they did it by the book?

They shoulda beat him a bit in case she was still alive.
Or did they know she was dead at this stage?

If not, it's bad form to follow the rules when someone ahs been kidnapped and not do anything to the kidnapper to get the location from them.

Then again he could always find a great Defense Attorney.

He doesn't sound rich, so all the prosecution would have to do is drag the case out as long a they can until he is broke and then gets given the public defender.

comic_lover

03-19-2005, 04:43 AM

FunkyGreenJerusalem

03-19-2005, 04:48 AM

Has anyone read the Warren Ellis book SCARS published by Avatar?

I thought it was a damn good read, and seemed really realistic.
Doubley so after reading this.

Boldido

03-19-2005, 05:30 AM

So a girl was missing and they did it by the book?

They shoulda beat him a bit in case she was still alive.
Or did they know she was dead at this stage?

If not, it's bad form to follow the rules when someone ahs been kidnapped and not do anything to the kidnapper to get the location from them.

At the time they interviewed him he was a "person of interest". If they beat every person of interest for a confession from the time of first report until they solved the case, you would have a lot of innocent people being beat and given the intense emotions in this case, a couple of false confessions might be a very realistic possibility.

heretic

03-19-2005, 05:40 AM

*sigh*

I expected this, but hoped to be surprised.

I usually am one who likes erring on the side of mercy insofar as criminal matters, but this guy... locked down forever should be a given here.

HTG

Smuggletrain

03-19-2005, 05:44 AM

I usually am one who likes erring on the side of mercy insofar as criminal matters, but this guy... locked down forever should be a given here.

Why waste cell space? I have the same feeling on this as I did an earlier thread.

"Cruel and Unusual" is a subjective term. If punishment becomes the norm then it is no longer "Unusual". Wagon-wheeling should be brought back as a method of punishment. If kids parents will not enforce the idea that harsh behavior brings harsh retribution then society must. Murderers, rapists, and general psychopaths should not be locked away for years from the public's eyes. They should be crucified in the town square.

cable guy

03-19-2005, 06:17 AM

I'd be all for tattooing "sex criminal" on their foreheads in fluorescent ink.

I've said this before, not on this board though, I don't think.

I honestly think they should have a tatoo on their face to show what they really are, because they are not really a human.

cable guy

03-19-2005, 06:32 AM

JeffreyWKramer

03-19-2005, 06:48 AM

Seeing this puts me to the ABSOLUTE BRINK of agreeing when people say throw the BOOK at any FIRST time offender, no matter how MINOR the offence was.

A precious life could have been saved.

As I've said many times before, from the point of view of societal safety - hell, self-defense - the only rational approach to violent crime or sexual crime which directly targets a victim is to give so tough a mandatory sentence that the person will be gone for a long, long time, and that almost nobody would even live long enough to have a chance of getting out after a second offense. Rape, armed robbery, attempted murder, etc. - far as I'm concerned, first offense should be nothing less than life without chance of parole. I have no problem whatsoever with first-offense capital punishment for violent criminals, either.

Our society is pretty much making a joke of the concept of "justice" as long as guys who molest kids, use guns or knives to commit crimes or seriously harm other human beings have even a chance of spending less time in prison than do people who sell drugs.

Keep in mind the following fact: in most states, a first-time conviction for grand theft auto results in the felon spending more actual time behind bars than does a first-time offender convicted of sexual assault.

cable guy

03-19-2005, 06:55 AM

As I've said many times before, from the point of view of societal safety - hell, self-defense - the only rational approach to violent crime or sexual crime which directly targets a victim is to give so tough a mandatory sentence that the person will be gone for a long, long time, and that almost nobody would even live long enough to have a chance of getting out after a second offense. Rape, armed robbery, attempted murder, etc. - far as I'm concerned, first offense should be nothing less than life without chance of parole. I have no problem whatsoever with first-offense capital punishment for violent criminals, either.

Our society is pretty much making a joke of the concept of "justice" as long as guys who molest kids, use guns or knives to commit crimes or seriously harm other human beings have even a chance of spending less time in prison than do people who sell drugs.

Keep in mind the following fact: in most states, a first-time conviction for grand theft auto results in the felon spending more actual time behind bars than does a first-time offender convicted of sexual assault.

Yeah, I really think they have to come down harder on first time sex offenders no matter how minor, because it seems even minor offenders eventually kill.

I don't know the exact statistics though.

JeffreyWKramer

03-19-2005, 07:11 AM

Yeah, I really think they have to come down harder on first time sex offenders no matter how minor, because it seems even minor offenders eventually kill.

I don't know the exact statistics though.
The exact statistics - and, more importantly, deciding how to respond to them - are problematic, because of the "All A are B" =/= "All B are A" problem.

Specifically, most rapists, serial rapists, child molesters and serial murderers don't start out with those crimes. Many start out with fetishistic crimes (stealing womens' undergarments from clotheslines, laundry hampers or laundromats), exhibitionism, voyeurism, frotteurism, etc. long before they start hurting people. Many also have histories of animal torture/cruelty dating back to childhood/early adolescence. The problem is, while most hardcore scumbags do have previous histories of such minor offenses, as best we can tell, most people who commit those crimes do not go on to do anything more dangerous or harmful. Most rapists have committed fetish theft, exhibitionism, etc, but not everyone who steals someone's panties or tries to get a look through the window at people undressing or screwing goes on to become a rapist (there is, however, a somewht greater tendency toward eventual assault for those who look thru windows than for those committing voyeurism via telescope or other long-distance means). Thus, giving harsh convictions for those sorts of offenses is going to result in putting more relatively harmless folk behind bars than it is going to target the truly dangerous. Not an efficient approach to the problem.

When you get to crimes that actually involve direct confrontation and contact with a victim, though, the escalation risk goes way up. Unless prevented from doing so, most people who commit sexual assault, indecent acts against children, rape, etc. *will* repeat their offenses. This is close to 100% certainty in the case of those who have already committed such crimes against two or more victims, or those who offend against strangers. At that level, there is minimal to no chance of false-positives. Those folk *are* dangerous, and should be treated as such.

cable guy

03-19-2005, 08:37 AM

The exact statistics - and, more importantly, deciding how to respond to them - are problematic, because of the "All A are B" =/= "All B are A" problem.

Specifically, most rapists, serial rapists, child molesters and serial murderers don't start out with those crimes. Many start out with fetishistic crimes (stealing womens' undergarments from clotheslines, laundry hampers or laundromats), exhibitionism, voyeurism, frotteurism, etc. long before they start hurting people. Many also have histories of animal torture/cruelty dating back to childhood/early adolescence. The problem is, while most hardcore scumbags do have previous histories of such minor offenses, as best we can tell, most people who commit those crimes do not go on to do anything more dangerous or harmful. Most rapists have committed fetish theft, exhibitionism, etc, but not everyone who steals someone's panties or tries to get a look through the window at people undressing or screwing goes on to become a rapist (there is, however, a somewht greater tendency toward eventual assault for those who look thru windows than for those committing voyeurism via telescope or other long-distance means). Thus, giving harsh convictions for those sorts of offenses is going to result in putting more relatively harmless folk behind bars than it is going to target the truly dangerous. Not an efficient approach to the problem.

When you get to crimes that actually involve direct confrontation and contact with a victim, though, the escalation risk goes way up. Unless prevented from doing so, most people who commit sexual assault, indecent acts against children, rape, etc. *will* repeat their offenses. This is close to 100% certainty in the case of those who have already committed such crimes against two or more victims, or those who offend against strangers. At that level, there is minimal to no chance of false-positives. Those folk *are* dangerous, and should be treated as such.

I know child molester's and rapist's are bound to be repeat offenders, but I did not know of the Seemingly "Harmless or Minor" start to their vicious behavior.

So I guess the term of "He's a harmless Pervert", must be looked at closer.

comic_lover

03-19-2005, 08:51 AM

I want him dead. :mad:

cable guy

03-19-2005, 09:06 AM

I want him dead. :mad:

That's what I was growling at the TV last, as I watched Dateline talk about him.

Donald M.

03-19-2005, 09:12 AM

I want him dead. :mad:

Well, this happened in Florida. It may take a few yers, but he will be.

comic_lover

03-19-2005, 09:13 AM

Well, this happened in Florida. It may take a few yers, but he will be. Give me a gun and five seconds and.....the hell with it GIVE HER FATHER A GUN AND FIVE SECONDS...... :mad:

cable guy

03-19-2005, 09:28 AM

Give me a gun and five seconds and.....the hell with it GIVE HER FATHER A GUN AND FIVE SECONDS...... :mad:

Actually now that you mention it, they should be as lenient with parents that

kill people like him as they are with first time sex offenders.

cable guy

03-19-2005, 09:29 AM

Well, this happened in Florida. It may take a few yers, but he will be.

It takes too many friggin years in every state!

Dennis K

03-19-2005, 09:46 AM

Then again he could always find a great Defense Attorney.

Yes, he could, and very well might. Whether or not he can afford one makes no difference, because I'd be shocked if some lawyer isn't willing to defend him for free just for the chance at all that free publicity.

Hiromi

03-19-2005, 10:53 AM

Even if he doesn't get the Death penalty him getting offed in prison isn't that out there as far as possibilities, these animals aren't exactly popular in prison.

Bard

03-19-2005, 11:45 AM

Speaking of which, does anybody remember the little girl that was missing for 2 years before the Florida social worker admitted she falsified visitation documents? http://start.earthlink.net/article/nat?guid=20050318/423a6050_3ca6_1552620050318837820095

Ugoff

03-19-2005, 12:20 PM

Actually, this problem isn't with law enforcement. It's with legislators (not making penalties for violent crime and sex crimes severe enough), the judicial (not tossing the book at assholes like this) and the corrections/parole system.

The cops did their job. The people who failed are the ones who kept passing the buck while the cops kept doing their job.

As I've said many times before, from the point of view of societal safety - hell, self-defense - the only rational approach to violent crime or sexual crime which directly targets a victim is to give so tough a mandatory sentence that the person will be gone for a long, long time, and that almost nobody would even live long enough to have a chance of getting out after a second offense. Rape, armed robbery, attempted murder, etc. - far as I'm concerned, first offense should be nothing less than life without chance of parole. I have no problem whatsoever with first-offense capital punishment for violent criminals, either.

Our society is pretty much making a joke of the concept of "justice" as long as guys who molest kids, use guns or knives to commit crimes or seriously harm other human beings have even a chance of spending less time in prison than do people who sell drugs.

Keep in mind the following fact: in most states, a first-time conviction for grand theft auto results in the felon spending more actual time behind bars than does a first-time offender convicted of sexual assault.

I agree the lawmakers have dropped the ball. I just dont understand whats going on. I was up pretty late last night and I just couldnt stop thinking about this situation. Dont they cut off your hand if your caught stealing in some Asian country? I remember reading something like that long ago. That's what they should do if theres not enough room in jails, they should cut off their hands. Also something on the news kept me up last night thinking. A quadrapeglic woman was sentenced to house arrest on drug charges. They said that she wouldnt be allowed to leave her house and that no one could come visit her. I'm not sure on all the facts or what drugs she was found to have but where are our priorities today? We can go and sentence someone who cant even move to house arrest but we let a dangerous child killer loose on society?

Dee3

03-19-2005, 03:12 PM

update:

they found Jessica's body about 150 yards from the trailer that Couey's sister lived.

Alex

03-19-2005, 04:42 PM

update:

they found Jessica's body about 150 yards from the trailer that Couey's sister lived.
So now hes got nothing to offer them, as all he really had was location of the body.
Good.

Dee3

03-19-2005, 05:01 PM

So now hes got nothing to offer them, as all he really had was location of the body.
Good.
Yeah, you know what congrass worries more about a semi-dead woman then making tougher sex offender laws.

JeffreyWKramer

03-19-2005, 05:11 PM

Yeah, you know what congrass worries more about a semi-dead woman then making tougher sex offender laws.

Well, in fairness, sex offenses are almost never federal jurisdiction (i.e., only if they occur on Indian reservations or federal property or against federal or military personnel, or if they cross state lines in some manner), so Congress has relatively little to say about the matter. Most crimes are a state or local matter, not a federal one.

For the same reason, though, the House and Senate had no legitimate interest in getting involved in the recent Florida euthanasia stuff. It's a state matter. If someone wants to argue about possible civil rights violation, the Justice Department exists to make sure of such things. There is no legitimate, constitutional grounds for which the Federal government to have gotten involved in that case.

SUPERECWFAN1

03-19-2005, 05:24 PM

I watched this case and I had my worries. The way It was told was the girl had taken her doll with her. In the back of my mind I wondered If one of the parents could have been responsible. This was after Couey came willingly and answered questions In Georgia.

Then my mom told me the next morning that he had In fact done the crime and admitted to It. Its a sad thing to see that scum like this exist and roam free In Nieghborhoods.

If this was me and my daughter had went down like this , Couey had better prayed they could protect him. He deserves the Death Penalty like Scott Peterson's gonna get sooner or later.

Jared_Humpherys

03-19-2005, 05:37 PM

JeffreyWKramer, thanks for articulating your points so well. You are correct in all respects.

I have little else to add, save I hope this guy gets what's coming to him, and the parents can get whatever little solace there is to have from this tragedy.

Did anyone see the statement made from the girl's father about getting that last kiss and hug? Tore my heart out.

Dee3

03-19-2005, 05:56 PM

Well, in fairness, sex offenses are almost never federal jurisdiction (i.e., only if they occur on Indian reservations or federal property or against federal or military personnel, or if they cross state lines in some manner), so Congress has relatively little to say about the matter. Most crimes are a state or local matter, not a federal one.

For the same reason, though, the House and Senate had no legitimate interest in getting involved in the recent Florida euthanasia stuff. It's a state matter. If someone wants to argue about possible civil rights violation, the Justice Department exists to make sure of such things. There is no legitimate, constitutional grounds for which the Federal government to have gotten involved in that case.
Sorry spouted off about this. But we do need tougher sex offender laws.
I've been watching this case and when I saw Jessica's father he looked so heartbroken and now he must be so devistated(the mom must be as well). You could really tell from the news reports that he loved his little girl. That she was the light of his life.
Now he's going to have to hear all the damn details about her death if Couey gets the death penalty and this goes to trial.
I hope that the three people who obstructed Justice by hiding him get what they deserve as well.I hope this jerk frys.

Dee3

03-19-2005, 06:10 PM

As I said before sorry I spouted earlier. But still I think this basturd needs to Fry. How many here think this waste of human flesh deserves the death penalty?

cable guy

03-19-2005, 07:59 PM

cable guy

03-19-2005, 08:07 PM

Sorry spouted off about this. But we do need tougher sex offender laws.
I've been watching this case and when I saw Jessica's father he looked so heartbroken and now he must be so devistated(the mom must be as well). You could really tell from the news reports that he loved his little girl. That she was the light of his life.
Now he's going to have to hear all the damn details about her death if Couey gets the death penalty and this goes to trial.
I hope that the three people who obstructed Justice by hiding him get what they deserve as well.I hope this jerk frys.

Your anger is justified because I have the TV on now, and this is all they are talking about. I am getting angrier and angrier. I hope someone kills this bastard before this goes to trial.

Also, who obstructed justice?

Dee3

03-19-2005, 09:02 PM

Three people who were living in the trailer with Couey His Sister Dorthy Dixson,Madie secord and Matthew Ditterich. They failed to report the crime when Couey confessed to them. They failed to notify authorities when he left the state.

JeffreyWKramer

03-19-2005, 09:23 PM

As I said before sorry I spouted earlier. But still I think this basturd needs to Fry.

Nothing to really apologize for. Since Congress appears to forget its rightful jurisdiction, and since both major political parties seem all power rightfully belongs to the federal government, it's not surprising people get confused about this stuff.

How many here think this waste of human flesh deserves the death penalty?
Sign me up.

JeffreyWKramer

03-19-2005, 09:29 PM

what are the chances of sex offences going to federal courts then?

thus becoming a more serious crime,correct?

Hopefully zero. There's no reason state courts can't make the penalties higher, and the very last thing the US needs is the Federal government having any more power than it already has. Crimes committed on private citizens at the local level are local jurisdiction crimes, and should stay there exept in very unusual circumstances which warrant federal intervention.

Tell me this - much as you want justice (which I also want in this case), would you be comfortable next having the federal government decide speed limits and property law in your community?

Keep in mind that crimes don't have to be federal crimes to get federal help in investigating and prosecuting them. By law, the FBI can take part in almost any crime - and routinely does in violent and sex crimes - if asked by local authorities.

AlanScott606

03-19-2005, 09:35 PM

As I said before sorry I spouted earlier. But still I think this basturd needs to Fry. How many here think this waste of human flesh deserves the death penalty?

Calling him a waste of human flesh is going WAY to easy on him. I have already thought up at least 101 ways to make this piece of sh*t wish he had never been born.

cable guy

03-19-2005, 10:09 PM

Hopefully zero. There's no reason state courts can't make the penalties higher, and the very last thing the US needs is the Federal government having any more power than it already has. Crimes committed on private citizens at the local level are local jurisdiction crimes, and should stay there exept in very unusual circumstances which warrant federal intervention.

Tell me this - much as you want justice (which I also want in this case), would you be comfortable next having the federal government decide speed limits and property law in your community?

Keep in mind that crimes don't have to be federal crimes to get federal help in investigating and prosecuting them. By law, the FBI can take part in almost any crime - and routinely does in violent and sex crimes - if asked by local authorities.

You're right. I hate how much power they have now.

It's just when you here stuff like this, you don't always think rationally.

I had to change the chanel because I couldn't listen anymore.

Anyway, they were saying how the laws must become stricter towards these types of criminals. Maybe with this tragedy being national, Maybe stricter laws will be put in place.

cable guy

03-19-2005, 10:12 PM

Calling him a waste of human flesh is going WAY to easy on him. I have already thought up at least 101 ways to make this piece of sh*t wish he had never been born.

Hopefully his future fellow cellmates are thinking up the same ideas!

I want him dead in a bad way.

JeffreyWKramer

03-19-2005, 10:14 PM

Anyway, they were saying how the laws must become stricter towards these types of criminals. Maybe with this tragedy being national, Maybe stricter laws will be put in place.

I'd be all for that. 100%.

Alex

03-19-2005, 11:40 PM

Anyway, they were saying how the laws must become stricter towards these types of criminals. Maybe with this tragedy being national, Maybe stricter laws will be put in place.
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Yknow, thats a good theory, but you would also have assumed that after a few big terrorist attacks, they would have upped security.
So, im not really confident anything will change.

Dee3

03-20-2005, 12:30 AM

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Yknow, thats a good theory, but you would also have assumed that after a few big terrorist attacks, they would have upped security.
So, im not really confident anything will change.
Good point. I really don't think that anything is going to really change. I hope this guy frys and that they throw the book at the three who lied to the cops.

JeffreyWKramer

03-20-2005, 06:48 AM

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Yknow, thats a good theory, but you would also have assumed that after a few big terrorist attacks, they would have upped security.
So, im not really confident anything will change.

Well, security is better than it was pre-9/11, but it does certainly need lots more improvement.

That said, security (proactive measures) and sentencing guidelines (response to crimes already committed) are two different things, and the second is a lot easier to implement than is the first. A legislative body can mandate, for example, "first convictions for rape result in a sentence no less than 20 years without possibility of parole", and it happens, but all the legislation on earth won't in and of itself improve security - particularly when the manpower, resources or strategies for implementing measures are limited. If legislation could keep people from doing things, we'd be a drug-free society with no violent crime or terrorism. Laws can much more easily deal with offenders after the fact than they can prevent offense.