Teen Titans #22(Spoilers)

[Adem]

Man I want my mind wiped if it means when I remember what happens I get crazy powers. I seriously think Light is a little too powerful now. I really enjoyed the issue though new Hawk and Dove and next issue will probably be a great battle. The last page made me squeal,I mean seeing all the old titans and current ones and Nightwing saying Titants Together! I thought that was priceless. Anyone else wanna post their opinion?

[TCJohnson]

Now if only I knew who all these people were!

[titanfan]

I haven't read the issue yet--but did he really get new powers or is he more effectively using his old ones? When he was originally created, Dr. Light had to be somewhat of a moron because his power--Light Control/Manipulation--is a freaking awesome power. Potentially limitless.

Both the villain Dr. Light and the heroine Dr. Light should be among the most powerful people of the DCU, but instead are underutilized.

[Adem]

I know most, I saw Mirage, Pantha, Harlequin II, Starfire, Cyborg, Flash, Kid Flash, Arsenal, Raven, Wondergirl, Captain Marvel Jr., Hawk, Dove, Superboy, Nightwing Bumblebee, Robin, Beastboy,and that Russian dude,but with a new custome. Damn all I remember on spot.

[Adem]

I haven't read the issue yet--but did he really get new powers or is he more effectively using his old ones? When he was originally created, Dr. Light had to be somewhat of a moron because his power--Light Control/Manipulation--is a freaking awesome power. Potentially limitless.

Both the villain Dr. Light and the heroine Dr. Light should be among the most powerful people of the DCU, but instead are underutilized.

Ya he just has better control now, but it is a little much.

[Metamorpho]

I know most, I saw Mirage, Pantha, Harlequin II, Starfire, Cyborg, Flash, Kid Flash, Arsenal, Raven, Wondergirl, Captain Marvel Jr., Hawk, Dove, Superboy, Nightwing Bumblebee, Robin, Beastboy,and that Russian dude,but with a new custome. Damn all I remember on spot.


What? No Duella Dent?

[Puffy Treat]

I think "Harlequin II" is Duela Dent.

[Adem]

Isn't she called Harlequin II now? I also said I couldn't name em all on spot lol :D

Yes! I was right Mentox! Mentox!

[hotrodimus]

havent read the issue but russian dude.. red star?

[Adem]

ya forgot his name thanks hotrodimis.

[Taskmaster]

I want a poster of those two pages, "You want Titan's we'll give you Titans!" Anybody got a scan I want that as my background and the scanners on the fritz :)

[Forsaken_One]

I guess it's because I'm not a huge Titans history fan but... this issue didn't do much for me. I liked the new Dr. Light and how powerful he was, he made a good villian. Though how did he make Superboy use his heat vision? Seems to me he has, like Wane said, become a wee bit too powerful. And I really wish he'd told them the secret rather than just beating around the bush.

But... the ending did nothing for me. This was expected; even for people who don't read solicits the line of "they're all Titans" from the last issue and Starfire talking about her "plan" made it painfully obvious what the plot twist was going to be. And none of the characters shown really excite me. Hell, I can only name a couple of them offhand, and C characters from over ten years ago coming back doesn't get my blood a-boilin', you know?

It's also kinda silly that the best way all these seasoned heros can think of to fight Dr. Light is to dogpile on him. And with Nightwing at the forefront? No one thinks to lead with the invulnerable people or have different squads with different missions? No pairing of like powers to increase their usefulness or, and this is just a suggestion here, getting the kids out of danger while a smaller group distrats Dr. Light? Nothing related to tactics, just going to get together for a giant splash page with the popular characters at front? Ooookay...

[Angel of Sorrow]

I loved it, and can't wait to see how it ends.
Enjoyed seeing the special guests.

And I believe the list of the people there are.

TT:
Cyborg
Speedy
Raven
Superboy
Beast Boy
Kid Flash
Robin
Wondergirl

Special guests:
Tempest
Captain Marvel Jr.
Argent
Hawk
Dove
Flash
Wildebeest
Bumblebee
Duela Dent (Harlequin - which ever)
Nightwing
Arsenal
Pantha
Flamebird
Mirage
Redstar
Herald
Starfire

Pretty sure thats all of em.

[Orion101]

I haven't read the issue yet--but did he really get new powers or is he more effectively using his old ones? When he was originally created, Dr. Light had to be somewhat of a moron because his power--Light Control/Manipulation--is a freaking awesome power. Potentially limitless.

Both the villain Dr. Light and the heroine Dr. Light should be among the most powerful people of the DCU, but instead are underutilized.


You are right about that potential wise Light is one of the most powerful beings on the planet if not the galaxy. The problem was his own incompetence prevented him from fully utilzing his potential. After spending a year trapped in Green Lantern's ring he became a living Light Construct and an inexhaustable battery. he now has limitless control over the electromagnetic spectrum( like Magneto's supposed to have only doesn't use) meaning he can now manipulate nore than just visable light, he can control infared, ultraviolet, radiowaves and in any way he can conceiably imagine he can even become light now. I also read during the Rock of Ages arch he almost killed Superman. Here is a link to his new list of powers.

http://captain.custard.org/league/php/profile.php?id=drlight3

[TCJohnson]

Ok, I am a newcomer to teen titans...who is Argent, Herald and Duella Dent?

[Thnikkaman]

Argent was from the Jurgens Teen Titans (the one with the teenage Atom), she's a former spoiled rich girl who's actually half-alien and has plasma-energy powers similar to Green Lantern's.

Herald is Mal Duncan, originally the Titans' Token Black Guy (hey, it was the 70s). Back then, he didn't have any powers, but later on he had some kind of magic trumpet that did weird things and took the name "Herald." He's Bumblebee's husband.

Duela Dent is a former mental patient who claims to be the daughter of various supervillains. She uses the code-name "Harlequin", carries a variety of clown-themed gadgets, and tends to walk the line between hero and villain.

[guedo79]

http://captain.custard.org/league/php/profile.php?id=drlight3

Wow, that's a great site but why is Doctor Light listed as Doctor Light III?

Doctor Light I would be the hero he got his name and powers from.
Doctor Light II should be the current bad guy.
Doctor Light III was the jerky hero from Crisis.

Am I missing something? Could that be because he died and came back?

[Kid Seven]

This issue was good, not great though. I thought "Meh" at some points. (No really, I thought that.) I liked this new ramped-up Dr. Light, so long as the powers remain believably tangential to light and light-based sources. I hope, assuming they keep him like this, that he doesn't have some new power every time he pops up.

I also liked how the Titans really couldn't believe that he was a serious threat; even Hawk and Dove thought he would be a push-over. Speaking of which, have these two popped up before? I don't think they have, but I can't be sure.

Looking forward to part 3, and hope there's some good fighting that goes on.

[Forsaken_One]

The white haird Dove is Dawn, the second Dove from way back who was brought back in the pages of Johns' JSA. The Hawk is new.

[protege]

So what was that bit with batman drawing a sword from his utility belt? is he going "Highlander" on Us?

[UniqueFrequency]

yeah what was with the sword bit?

and.... ARGENT!!!!

[Captain Jim]

Wow, that's a great site but why is Doctor Light listed as Doctor Light III?

Doctor Light I would be the hero he got his name and powers from.
Doctor Light II should be the current bad guy.
Doctor Light III was the jerky hero from Crisis.

Am I missing something? Could that be because he died and came back?

I didn't know the answer to your question, but I poked around on that site a bit more and found this under "secret origin":

There have been four characters who have claimed the name Doctor Light. The first (real name unrevealed) was a Golden Age opponent of Dr Midnight, the next was the Silver Age opponent of the JLA (Arthur Light, the focus of this article), Secret Origins (Second Series) #37 (Feb 1989) rewrote his origin to include a third Dr Light (Jacob Finlay, actually the last one to appear in publication). The final Dr Light (Kimiyo Hoshi) was introduced in Crisis on Infinite Earths #5 (Aug 1985) and is a Japanese superheroine. The Golden Age and Secret Origin characters should be considered obscure and a number of sources have excluded them from the numbering. For completeness I will number the characters in order of their fictional chronology -- I (Golden Age), II (Finlay), III (Light) and IV (Hoshi).

[Calamas]

Actually, I felt the issue was a minor disappointment. I liked all the character bits already mentioned above; and I liked the ending, even if, like the rest of you, I saw it coming. It’s okay to end the issue on a dramatic moment like that. It’s even okay to have Nightwing out in front, as he is their symbolic leader, even to the current incarnation. A certain amount of artistic license is allowable.

I just felt Johns did not have enough story to reach his cliffhanger. All that stuff with Hawk & Dove bickering over their family history came as just so much filler. It killed the momentum of the story. I’ll simply have to take refuge in knowing there’s more to come. Next issue will not be a cover-to-cover battle. History indicates Johns has at least one more twist in the tale.

Next issue things will be back on track.

[pureclint]

I liked it. I am enjoying the amped up Villians, but I agree with most that it came off as set up for the last issue in the arc (of course it is the middle tale so it should have a different pace).

[UniqueFrequency]

I just felt Johns did not have enough story to reach his cliffhanger. All that stuff with Hawk & Dove bickering over their family history came as just so much filler. It killed the momentum of the story. I’ll simply have to take refuge in knowing there’s more to come. Next issue will not be a cover-to-cover battle. History indicates Johns has at least one more twist in the tale.


have to agree about this bit.... like suddenly they appeared and like huh?!

[Tom]

So what was that bit with batman drawing a sword from his utility belt? is he going "Highlander" on Us?I'm pretty sure that was Deathstroke and Ravager, not Batman and Batgirl.

[UniqueFrequency]

I'm pretty sure that was Deathstroke and Ravager, not Batman and Batgirl.

that would be an interesting observation considering what's going on in Outsiders.. possibility, but we'll have to wait and see

[Calamas]

I'm pretty sure that was Deathstroke and Ravager, not Batman and Batgirl.
that would be an interesting observation considering what's going on in Outsiders.. possibility, but we'll have to wait and see
I agree with Unique. Even if it turns out that you're wrong, Tom, that's still a nice piece of deduction

[Forsaken_One]

Wasn't he in the cave though? Deathstroke never managed to get into the cave. And Raveger has never been shown to be in Batgirl gear. It doesn't seem like a plot point should require you to read another comic to even slightly understand it.

[hotrodimus]

just read the issue.. what a real cliffhanger that was.. hopefully there's a scan for that real soon

[Kevinroc]

I was hoping for a plan better than "let's just throw a bunch of characters who were members of the Titans at some point".

[protege]

I'm pretty sure that was Deathstroke and Ravager, not Batman and Batgirl.
But- what purpose does it serve here, when deathstroke is after the outsiders? and why have ravager dress like batgirl?

[guedo79]

Thanks Captain Jim.

Wasn't he in the cave though? Deathstroke never managed to get into the cave. And Raveger has never been shown to be in Batgirl gear. It doesn't seem like a plot point should require you to read another comic to even slightly understand it.

I have to agree. The idea blows my mind but their was not any build up in the Titans book. Although, they do have a Outsiders cross over coming up.

[Tom]

It was the Outsiders crossover that made me suspect it. Well, that and the sword. Once you assume that that's Deathstroke, it becomes obvious that Batgirl is really Ravager.

*shrug* That was my first thought, anyway.

[Calamas]

I'm pretty sure that was Deathstroke and Ravager, not Batman and Batgirl.Wasn't he in the cave though? Deathstroke never managed to get into the cave. . . .
Well, they’re in *a* cave. Doesn’t have to be the Batcave. All we really see inside is a computer with a giant monitor.

Doesn’t mean you’re wrong, though. Doesn’t mean Tom is wrong either. We’ll see next month.

[Forsaken_One]

Let's put it this way. If it is Deathstroke and if, assuming that's true, Johns doesn't explain it really well I'm dropping the book. Period.

I simply will not accept a plot point in book A that I need to read book B to understand when it's not a crossover.

That said it's probably minor. And admittedly I'm close to dropping it just for the slow pace and lack of character development.

[Matt Algren]

I finally got the issue today. Pretty cool. I'd wondered about the sword on Batman, but Tom's explanation works.

Two things:
1) I'm waiting for next issue when we see who'll be leading the team. Vic? Dick? Roy? Tim? (I'm hoping Tim.)

2) Not to bring up the crossover-that-shall-remain-nameless, but I gotta say, I agree with Dr. Light here.

[UniqueFrequency]

I was hoping for a plan better than "let's just throw a bunch of characters who were members of the Titans at some point".

always works for the avengers :D

[steeler80]

It was the Outsiders crossover that made me suspect it. Well, that and the sword. Once you assume that that's Deathstroke, it becomes obvious that Batgirl is really Ravager.

*shrug* That was my first thought, anyway.

It was my first thought too.

[Sean Whitmore]

Gotta be Deathstroke in the bat-suit. That "they want him" line just screams "Villains United" crossover. And I agree with Forksen One, it's rapidly becoming apparent that you need to be reading most if not all of the DCU titles to understand everything that's going on (of course, as I do that anyway, not such a problem in my case :)).

I don't mind Light's power increase because, last time I saw him (discounting Identity Crisis), he was a being of pure light. He was even able to suck up and disperse Energy Superman. I just hope that's what Geoff was going for, and not writing Light as if this godlike power is all coming from the suit (which he didn't even create himself, by the way).

Liked seeing a new Hawk and Dove. I always loved the concept, and this way we can just ignore Monarch/Hank and she's dead-no she's not-yes she is-no she's not/Dawn. :D

Is Red Star just a strong guy again, or is he still doing that whole Human Torch shtick?


SEAN

[Blueferret]

have to agree about this bit.... like suddenly they appeared and like huh?!

This may seem like a stretch, but when Hawk and Dove first appeared and were talking, two things gave me the impression they were from the Kingdom Come future. The first was the reference to Red Arrow and the second was a mention of Kestrel(sp?). Dunno why, but that was my first thought about them. Dove being named Dawn could just be a coincidence.

[Deathstroke]

Excellent issue. Dr. Light sure is indulging his mad on eh?

It will be interesting to see how the Titans react when Light spills the beans about the mindwipe.

[Captain Jim]

After the big build-up in the previous issue, I thought this was a bit underwhelming, but it certainly wasn't bad. Next month will determine how good of an overall arc this is.

[Xero]

Golden Eagle is back, apparently he did die but he got better, check out Hawkman #38.

[Paradox]

Eh, I still liked Light better as a schlub loser. "Big Powerful Villains" are a dime a dozen, but not cowardly morons who don't know how to effectively use their powers.

[Blue Spider]

Eh, I still liked Light better as a schlub loser. "Big Powerful Villains" are a dime a dozen, but not cowardly morons who don't know how to effectively use their powers.

Tell that to Iron Man. More than half of his rogues' gallery looks like they lost an arms race.

and effectively, they did.

Dr. Light was one of the League's deadlist foes, but it's sort of logical that never winning against a single member or the whole of the team would wear out his psyche to the point where the Teen Titans could beat him. That left him weak enough that the government could manipulate him and he worked as a member of the Suicide Squad, even occasionally operating his suit well enough to kill a member of the Force of July. All the abilities cames from gadgets... and he tinkered with the suit himself. All hints from Meltzer that Light had powers outside the suit was just crap.

After encounters with Green Lantern he gained full confidence and even actual powers of his very own. He fought Kyle Rayner and I assumed kicked some butt and did join Luthor's Injustice Gang, and as everyone read, engaged and neutralized energy Superman in the "Rock of Ages" storyline.

Then I have no idea.

I do know that the Japanese Doctor Light has powers and always has had superpowers, but they suck in one measure. She has all those light abilities but she's far from powerful on her own; she depends entirely on having light to play with. She cannot generate light and if she's without it she's as human as you or I.

One dark room and a bat and the last Dr. Light is yours.

I wouldn't screw with Arthur Light, the way he shifts confidence makes him unpredictable.

I'll also point out the Hulk arch-villain the Abomination. Despite being a measure stronger than Hulk he still always gets the tar beaten out of him and has developed a complex by the eighties. He's a less effective villain. Eventually the only way to make him a major leaguer again was to have him murder Betty.

Hmmmm. Spider-Man villain Electro went through such a phase in the nineties.... probably twice. Dr Octopus had it once in the eighties; he was afraid of Spider-Man.

hmmmm. Agree to disagree?

CJA

[Paradox]

Blue Spider tells the tale:

Tell that to Iron Man. More than half of his rogues' gallery looks like they lost an arms race.

and effectively, they did.

Dr. Light was one of the League's deadlist foes, but it's sort of logical that never winning against a single member or the whole of the team would wear out his psyche to the point where the Teen Titans could beat him. That left him weak enough that the government could manipulate him and he worked as a member of the Suicide Squad, even occasionally operating his suit well enough to kill a member of the Force of July. All the abilities cames from gadgets... and he tinkered with the suit himself. All hints from Meltzer that Light had powers outside the suit was just crap.

After encounters with Green Lantern he gained full confidence and even actual powers of his very own. He fought Kyle Rayner and I assumed kicked some butt and did join Luthor's Injustice Gang, and as everyone read, engaged and neutralized energy Superman in the "Rock of Ages" storyline.

Then I have no idea.

I do know that the Japanese Doctor Light has powers and always has had superpowers, but they suck in one measure. She has all those light abilities but she's far from powerful on her own; she depends entirely on having light to play with. She cannot generate light and if she's without it she's as human as you or I.

One dark room and a bat and the last Dr. Light is yours.

I wouldn't screw with Arthur Light, the way he shifts confidence makes him unpredictable.

All true, of course. Still, I like him better as a dork. I liked that during the New Teen Titans days he mentioned taking crap for the Atom taking him down. :D

I'll also point out the Hulk arch-villain the Abomination. Despite being a measure stronger than Hulk he still always gets the tar beaten out of him and has developed a complex by the eighties. He's a less effective villain. Eventually the only way to make him a major leaguer again was to have him murder Betty.

I dunno that I count ol' Emil. His problem was he kept going up against the Hulk. Lots of others he would have easily trashed.

Hmmmm. Spider-Man villain Electro went through such a phase in the nineties.... probably twice.

Hee, my favorite MARVEL loseriffic villain and Light's counterpart in my head. :) Spidey used to beat up a guy that can control huge amounts of electricity by webbing up his hands and smacking the crap out of him. They're riffing on that in New Avengers right now this month!

Dr Octopus had it once in the eighties; he was afraid of Spider-Man.

Eh, not the same. For Doc and 'Bommy, they developed psychoses/neuroses from it. Light and Dillen are just ineffectual, even though they shouldn't be. That's what I'm talking about. Not the fearful part so much, but the dorkhood.

hmmmm. Agree to disagree?

CJA

Eh, probably, once we're both talking about the same thing. ;)