Thunderbolts collected?

[Kirk G]

A coworker was extolling the virtues of the Thunderbolts to me, a title I never,ah, warmed up to, except as a guestar or so arrived.

Tell me, oh assembled fandom, did they ever reprint the guestappearances of the Lightning Rods (The Great Lake Avengers) from circa issues 11-12?

How about the run where Hawkeye takes over and tries to "reform them"?
How many issues does that arc run? WHat was the original issue where he "rescues them" from jail, dressed as the Black Knight? Is he unveiled at the end of that issue? or in the next issue? What issue is this? 18? 20? 21?
Was this ever collected in a trade paperback?

What do these issues go for? How much should I expect to, gulp, pay for them. I'm told his grabbing the reigns of control for the Thunderbolts was similar to his own announcement of joining the Avengers back in Vol.1, #16.

Is that true? Did he play on their emotions saying if he could do it, they could too?

Answers please? :confused:

[StoneGold]

Most of the run was not collected. I think it was just the first couple issues, the Avengers crossover, and I think there was one other book but I'm not sure. You're going to have to scour the back issue bins for that one.

[Gaz]

Yup, only trades I know of are the 2 Avengers crossovers, the post-75 stuff and the Justice, Like Lightning trade.

[Kirk G]

Do we think there might be any in the future? Or should I start searching the back issues boxes???

[Gaz]

Do we think there might be any in the future? Or should I start searching the back issues boxes???
Depends how the new run goes. If it sells well, then they will likely dip into the archive and release vol. 1 in trades.

[Mo S.]

A coworker was extolling the virtues of the Thunderbolts to me, a title I never,ah, warmed up to, except as a guestar or so arrived...
I'm told his grabbing the reigns of control for the Thunderbolts was similar to his own announcement of joining the Avengers back in Vol.1, #16.

How spoilered do you want to be for this?

Just in case: (spoiler)
Hawkeye dons a disguise to rescue the T-bolts from a whole lotta trouble. He doesn't reveal himself right away, but when he does they are not exactly impressed. He makes a deal: they have 5 minutes, no holds barred, to take him down, at the end of which, if he is still standing, they will listen to what he has to say. It's an amusing little scene -- several pages in which they attempt to pound him into the ground. He is, of course, more-or-less untouched at the end and the rest is T-bolt history
(end spoiler)

Both the original Thunderbolts and New Thunderbolts are written in a higher action-adventure style than is currently popular in the Marvel line. Nicieza, and Busiek before him, write great team books, where the individual team members get development as well as the team as a whole.

And somewhere early in Thunderbolts history (maybe #8 or so, I can't remember), the Black Widow fills in a stunned Songbird and Abe about how Cap's Kooky Quartet weren't exactly the accepted darlings of the media and had to really struggle for acceptance as Avengers because of their "criminal" pasts: the parallels to their situation at the time being amusing because they AREN'T really trying to be good guys at that time. Hawkeye does mention it in passing when he meets them (maybe a panel or two) but the Widow's exposition is pages long.

[Kirk G]

How spoilered do you want to be for this?

Just in case: (spoiler)
Hawkeye dons a disguise to rescue the T-bolts from a whole lotta trouble. He doesn't reveal himself right away, but when he does they are not exactly impressed. He makes a deal: they have 5 minutes, no holds barred, to take him down, at the end of which, if he is still standing, they will listen to what he has to say. It's an amusing little scene -- several pages in which they attempt to pound him into the ground. He is, of course, more-or-less untouched at the end and the rest is T-bolt history
(end spoiler)
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Thanks Ryno...
but can you be specific about which issues Hawkeye rescues them in and where he unveils? I want to go back issue hunting, and I need a definative list before i raid the back issue boxes or, gulp, shell out for shipping on Ebay scalpers!

Thanks for a definitive list, anyone.....anyone.... Bueller?....Anyone???? :cool:

[Mo S.]

Thanks Rhyo...
but can you be specific about which issues Hawkeye rescues them in and where he unveils? I want to go back issue hunting, and I need a definative list before i raid the back issue boxes or, gulp, shell out for shipping on Ebay scalpers!

Thanks for a definitive list, anyone.....anyone.... Bueller?....Anyone???? :cool:
Okay, the arc in which Hawkeye shows up starts at #19. H shows up, in disguise in #20 (reveal at the very end), but it continues into issue #21. The Avengers show up rapidly (#22 and Avengers V3 #12), rather suspicious of things, since Hawk didn't exactly tell them what he was doing, and these ARE the Master of Evil (well, sort of). Through issue 30 they are all trying to adjust to each other, become a team and find somewhere to live that doesn't include huge evil robots, annoyed gods or having to fight the Avengers again.

How's that for a start?

[Kirk G]

Okay, the arc in which Hawkeye shows up starts at #19. H shows up, in disguise in #20 (reveal at the very end), but it continues into issue #21. The Avengers show up rapidly (#22 and Avengers V3 #12), rather suspicious of things, since Hawk didn't exactly tell them what he was doing, and these ARE the Master of Evil (well, sort of). Through issue 30 they are all trying to adjust to each other, become a team and find somewhere to live that doesn't include huge evil robots, annoyed gods or having to fight the Avengers again.

How's that for a start?

ExcellenT, Rhyo.
Now I have a targe for my search. Looks like I'll be shopping for #20though 22, and possibly 19 as well.... That is do-able. And If I find a lot on ebay for 19-30, or 20-30, I might go for that as well. I suspect I flipped through some of these books as they came out, and maybe, just maybe I bought one or two and they're laying in some old uncounted comic box in the back room...but it's not worth my effort to go look for them. I'd rather get the arc, and read it in one setting.... especially since my co-worker was somewhat supportive of it.

Of course, he also talked me into buying Ultimate Nightmare 2-3-4-5... but I'm still missing #1, when all I really cared about was appearance of Vision in the final installment.

PS: Has anyone heard what the final arc is going to be? Ultimate _______ ?
Heard the second one, Ultimate Secret, is at hand, but I heard the last/third arc is a mystery. :rolleyes:

[Kirk G]

OK, I've checked three local comic shops, and two collectors, and nobody has any excess stock of these Thunderbolts back issues 19-23 or so....
And so, I'm forced to scan Ebay, and I see only one lot containing 12, 18-19, 21-22, 25-27, and 29-33.

Now are you telling me that this lot will contain most, if not all the key developments of the Hawkeye taking over leadership of the group?
How much demand is there for #12...18...and the 25-27 29-33 stuff if I want to turn around and try selling it off...assuming that it doesn't float my boat?

Third, what happens in #28 that it would be missing from the run. Ditto, in 23 and 24?
I can find individual issues at a premium for 20 & 28, but are they worth it and are they rare or scarce? What happens in these issues that is notable? Same for 12 & 18 as well as 23-24?

Thanks guys!

[Mo S.]

I don't keep up with "going prices" so I can't tell you much about values -- I got my Tbolts as part of a huge purchase - full run West Coast Avengers/Avengers West Coast and full run Thunderbolts, one lot, for $45, which I considered an extreme bargain.

[Kirk G]

I just picked up the lot on ebay, and paid today, so I expect I'll have them in a week or so. Elsewhere on this forum, Wade has asked what the good runs are. I'd be willing to pass along any excess of that lot #18-33 (with notable exceptions that are missing, once I skimm the storyline and determine how many actually DEAL with Hawkeye leading the group.

PS: Which issue has the blurred photo of Hawkeye helping somebody escape from prizon? How many further issues reference this? Anybody know which issues these are from? And what was the repercussions of this action going public, over in the Avengers? I can't see Cap condoning Clint's action. What was the fallout???? Anyone?

[Mo S.]

PS: Which issue has the blurred photo of Hawkeye helping somebody escape from prizon? How many further issues reference this? Anybody know which issues these are from? And what was the repercussions of this action going public, over in the Avengers? I can't see Cap condoning Clint's action. What was the fallout???? Anyone?

Which photo, this one?
Tbolts #21 (http://www.rhyo.net/Tbolts_20.jpg)

That is in Tbolts #21, #22 and the Avengers V3 #12. They aren't escaping from jail, they are escaping from a warehouse surrounded by the National Guard.

There is a much later arc where Hawkeye gets sent to jail as part of a plea bargain for the rest of the Tbolts, and he does escape there, but nothing is quite that straightforward in the plot and it's only technically a jailbreak. Lol.

[Kirk G]

Which photo, this one?
Tbolts #21 (http://www.rhyo.net/Tbolts_20.jpg)

That is in Tbolts #21, #22 and the Avengers V3 #12. They aren't escaping from jail, they are escaping from a warehouse surrounded by the National Guard.

There is a much later arc where Hawkeye gets sent to jail as part of a plea bargain for the rest of the Tbolts, and he does escape there, but nothing is quite that straightforward in the plot and it's only technically a jailbreak. Lol.

Yeah, that's the one...the one the press snapped of him escaping with somebody on the back of the skycycle....
Didn't Cap get pissed about this or something? Wasn't there hell to pay over it?

I see Hawkeye in the upper corner box through most of the 30s issues... but does the story of his leading the group come to an end in 33? Is that the end of a good long story arc? (Just curious here...)

[Mo S.]

Yeah, that's the one...the one the press snapped of him escaping with somebody on the back of the skycycle....
Didn't Cap get pissed about this or something? Wasn't there hell to pay over it?

I see Hawkeye in the upper corner box through most of the 30s issues... but does the story of his leading the group come to an end in 33? Is that the end of a good long story arc? (Just curious here...)

Nah, Hawkeye lasts pretty much all the way through the rest of the issue run as leader, although the story arcs get complicated in fine Nicieza fashion.

Cap is briefly ticked off (more at Hawkeye for taking off and not letting anyone know what was going on and deliberately avoiding contact) but Hawkeye manages to explain it all away (what he is doing and WHY) when the Avengers come looking for him. Of course, he's not telling the complete truth, either. I think Dermie posted a good recap of the story arcs on the other thread that is around here somewhere.