Hawkeye Question for Avengers fans

[Mister Mets]

Should Hawkeye be resurrected? If so, how should he be resurrected? If not, are there stories you'd wanna see about him in flashback form? If he's resurrected, fo you have any suggestions for the big two questions- How'd he survive? Where's he been for the last few months (given the several months between Avengers #503 and New Avengers)?

Ideas I have...
Hawkeye returns for a single mission as a ghost. This gives him a longer, and more memorable send-off (and the sad revelation that he's just a ghost is going to make for some great moments).

Hawkeye was captured, and brainwashed by an Avengers villain (say- Taskmaster) as part of a plot against the Avengers.

[The Shadow]

I'm a "dead is dead" kind of guy... so I don't think he should come back.

As shown in EMH, you can do a story set in the past with characters that are now dead and give the fans their Hawkeye fix. But in the present he should stay dead.

Vision is the only one in Disassembled that should come back... cause he's a machine and can be rebuilt.

[1HELLBOY]

Bring him back, it doesn't bother me that he died, just bring him back

[Kirk G]

Can anyone reprint my theory about either: 1) The superskrull imitated him and attacked the Kree to "show them the way"... or 2) he's been transported away by the Kree transporter and reappeared far far away....

Oh wait, that one's been done before in about Avengers 99 or so, when he found Hercules...except this time, he finds Thor in Valhallah....

[Siddon]

Well considering the death was based on reality manipulation I would say he should be back this summer for House of M.

[Brian R]

He should come back, he will be back, he never should have died in the first place, and certainly not in the bone-headed manner in which he did.

[Siddon]

Who says that he is even dead

The ships weren't real

The Kree weren't real

The fire wasn't real

[Jake V]

Obviously, the question isn't IF he'll come back, but WHEN he'll come back.

I had an idea a few months ago for bringing him back that might be cool. First, Marvel would begin a new series featuring a "new" hero. My initial idea would be a series called "agent of SHIELD" that focuses on a new SHIELD agent under the command of Nick Fury. Fury would be just supporting character though, this new guy will be the focus. An A-list creative team would need to be on the book, because it would have to run like this for a year or so before the payoff would happen. Over the course of a mission fighting against Hydra or something, this new agent's memory would come back, and he would turn out to be a brainwashed Hawkeye, teleported away from the Kree ship, and installed in SHIELD by Wanda.

Hawkeye would have to decide if he wanted to stay with this life that he has gotten used to, or try to go back to his previous life and a team that isn't what he remembered it to be.

Aside from my improved death of Hawkeye that I wrote in January, this is the only time I ever came up with any comic ideas.

[Red State Cap]

There is no body. Hawkeye disappeared in an "explosion," an explosion that, I might add, wasn't real.
If Wanda was capable of generating this level of illusion, she was also capable of simulating Hawkeye's death and putting him somewhere out of the way. Not to mention the fact that Wanda has historically been capable of "conjuring" a pair of non-existent children, among other things.
Whatever Bendis says about Hawkeye being "dead," he left a highly convenient, and completely consistent, opportunity for a future writer to bring Hawkeye back. In other words, a future writer doesn't have to explain why the Avengers didn't really see Hawkeye's die, up close and personal. No one really "saw" anything beyond "special effects" at a distance.

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[marshal99]

What they didn't show during that crossover was Xorn secretly opening his hole in the head and suck in Hawkeye while he was falling off. ;)
Don't u know that Xorn was Cap secret ace in the hole , when all else fails , he can just suck up everything inside his head. :D

[BobC]

Siddon I think you're right. Is it summer yet?

[SlightlyMad]

It's been said before, but I'll say it again:
No body = not dead. :cool:

[BlackKnight]

Whating for the: But Bendis said Hawkeye is dead in a interview guys to show up..

By the way I agree with you SlightlyMad

[Giant Guy]

He is not dead. I will follow Slightly Mad and black Knight and the others who have said it. No Body = Not Dead.

I like the SHIELD idea, but no memory loss. Hawkeye Agent of Shield would be sweet. He would not even need the costume but could wear it for special occasions.

[UncleBob]

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[Rich L]

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God bless Fabian Nicieza. :D

[tricksterpup]

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Uncle Bob.. what issue is that in???
I loved Agent X and thought he was a great Character.

[UncleBob]

Cable/Deadpool #12

If you're not buying that series, you should be ashamed of yourself!

Edit: And by the way, the "Piece" he's referring to I think was his pancreas, which Deadpool cut out and put it in one of his pouches.

[Kirk G]

Obviously, the question isn't IF he'll come back, but WHEN he'll come back.

I had an idea a few months ago for bringing him back that might be cool. First, Marvel would begin a new series featuring a "new" hero. My initial idea would be a series called "agent of SHIELD" that focuses on a new SHIELD agent under the command of Nick Fury. Fury would be just supporting character though, this new guy will be the focus. An A-list creative team would need to be on the book, because it would have to run like this for a year or so before the payoff would happen. Over the course of a mission fighting against Hydra or something, this new agent's memory would come back, and he would turn out to be a brainwashed Hawkeye, teleported away from the Kree ship, and installed in SHIELD by Wanda.

Hawkeye would have to decide if he wanted to stay with this life that he has gotten used to, or try to go back to his previous life and a team that isn't what he remembered it to be.

Aside from my improved death of Hawkeye that I wrote in January, this is the only time I ever came up with any comic ideas.
Not a bad idea or two.... you really should develop some proposals and ship them off to Marvel, cause you're on the right track, Jake V...

Only one or two problems with it that I can see....

First, Dr. Strange SAYS that it was all real... He also says the damage done cannot be undone.

Second, the avengers and assembled friends that fought the Kree were actually fighting against something with substance. They weren't imagining the force and the foes they were struggling against. AND, the found the wreckage on the ground and were examining it... remember, "not quite paper, not quite metal"...."What is this stuff???"

Third, why would Wanda WANT to send Hawkeye off to Sheild? Wouldn't Fury be suspicous of a "new agent" popping up? Don't we already have a brainwashed agent in Hydra's employ...oops, make that now a Sheild killing machine, who was brainwashed.... (Wolvie)

Even if it were an unconscious desire to remove Clint... WHY SHEILD? What's the motivation?

I don't mind the big reveal at the end, but I suspect it would become somewhat hard to disguise the agent's memory flashes from the audience for a full year before they figured it out. Plus, wouldn't the agent have to make choices to avoid/abandon the bow and arrow... or growing to giant size...
I could see how one might used different flashes of memory... of the circus... of the Swordsman... of fighting against the Skrull Saucer ship... of the Kree-Skrull war.... intergalactic storm battles... even downtime like tying up Agent Peter Grynch... ..discovering Hercules...dressing as an alternative Hawkeye....kissing Deathbird... trading weapons with Cap to fight Taskmaster... etc... You'd have to be very sellective in what you showed, and always from Clint's point of view... kissing the Black Widow..fighting early Iron Man... being cheered as a new Avenger #16.... meeting Wanda (glowing as Snow White in his/her memory) and Pietro (Prince Charming)for the first time... etc.

Yes, it could be done...
But wasn't this type of switcheroo also done with Logan dieing with the Xmen, being revealed to be a skrull imposter... and then unveiling Havok or Murder..or Death... or whatever name he was going under for four or five months against the Xmen??? It's been done...and recently.

But not a bad try.
*(I still like my Superskrull impersonation idea, but I don't mind having Clint shipped off somewhere for the duration until he returns/resurfaces...)

[Jake V]

Not a bad idea or two.... you really should develop some proposals and ship them off to Marvel, cause you're on the right track, Jake V...

Only one or two problems with it that I can see....

First, Dr. Strange SAYS that it was all real... He also says the damage done cannot be undone.

Second, the avengers and assembled friends that fought the Kree were actually fighting against something with substance. They weren't imagining the force and the foes they were struggling against. AND, the found the wreckage on the ground and were examining it... remember, "not quite paper, not quite metal"...."What is this stuff???"

Third, why would Wanda WANT to send Hawkeye off to Sheild? Wouldn't Fury be suspicous of a "new agent" popping up? Don't we already have a brainwashed agent in Hydra's employ...oops, make that now a Sheild killing machine, who was brainwashed.... (Wolvie)

Even if it were an unconscious desire to remove Clint... WHY SHEILD? What's the motivation?

I don't mind the big reveal at the end, but I suspect it would become somewhat hard to disguise the agent's memory flashes from the audience for a full year before they figured it out. Plus, wouldn't the agent have to make choices to avoid/abandon the bow and arrow... or growing to giant size...
I could see how one might used different flashes of memory... of the circus... of the Swordsman... of fighting against the Skrull Saucer ship... of the Kree-Skrull war.... intergalactic storm battles... even downtime like tying up Agent Peter Grynch... ..discovering Hercules...dressing as an alternative Hawkeye....kissing Deathbird... trading weapons with Cap to fight Taskmaster... etc... You'd have to be very sellective in what you showed, and always from Clint's point of view... kissing the Black Widow..fighting early Iron Man... being cheered as a new Avenger #16.... meeting Wanda (glowing as Snow White in his/her memory) and Pietro (Prince Charming)for the first time... etc.

Yes, it could be done...
But wasn't this type of switcheroo also done with Logan dieing with the Xmen, being revealed to be a skrull imposter... and then unveiling Havok or Murder..or Death... or whatever name he was going under for four or five months against the Xmen??? It's been done...and recently.

But not a bad try.
*(I still like my Superskrull impersonation idea, but I don't mind having Clint shipped off somewhere for the duration until he returns/resurfaces...)
Yeah, the WHY is what I have trouble with. But Wanda's insanity can really be used as an excuse for anything. It's lame, I know, but it works until I can think of something better. I figure that during disassembled, Wanda did show some brief flashes of sanity, so maybe she had one of those and saved Hawkeye at the last second. As for Fury maybe noticing a new agent, I can still point to Wanda. She manipulates realtity, remember? She can just invent a life for him complete with false memories. But there I run into the problem of why she'd choose to create a life for him at SHIELD... I suppose I can use the insanity excuse.

As for the memory returning, I wouldn't give him any on-panel flashbacks at all, but I'd establish that his memory is a bit wonky. He'd blame it on some mission that he thinks he went on, but it would be established that his memory is in question. Like, he'd tell some story to one person, and then a few issues later, he'd tell a different version of the same story to someone else. Readers would complain that it was a continuity screw-up, but later on it would be revealed that it was intentional.

I guess I really like the idea of playing with the audiences expectations. It's real easy to just give the readers what they say they want, but I think it's better and more gratifying to please the readers in ways they couldn't think of. I want a year or 2 to go by with fanboys yelling for Hawkeye to come back, and then to reveal to them that he's BEEN BACK for a while, they just weren't paying attention.

[BlackKnight]

Actually all you would have to do is say that Hawkeye was thrown clear of the explosion, lost his memory and was found by sheild. Simple enough.

[Jake V]

Actually all you would have to do is say that Hawkeye was thrown clear of the explosion, lost his memory and was found by sheild. Simple enough.
I guess it would work. It would cast Fury and SHIELD in a negative light though, using Hawkeye and not telling Cap and company that he's alive.

Actually... I like this idea better. SHIELD comes upon an amnesiac Hawkeye and decides that he'd be a great secret agent. They use Weapon X technology to give him new memories, give him a haircut and put him to work.

Once he's revealed to be Hawkeye, SHIELD and Fury become instant semi-villains. I like it.

[Kirk G]

Who says that he is even dead

The ships weren't real

The Kree weren't real

The fire wasn't real

Sorry, Siddon, Dr. Strange said they WERE real.... he said he couldn't reverse the loss of their friends...death is real... :mad:
I've seen nothing that said that it wasn't real... all of it...ships, Kree, fire, death...all of it. :evilangry


(Ain't it a bummer???!!!) :rolleyes:

[Rich L]

Sorry, Siddon, Dr. Strange said they WERE real.... he said he couldn't reverse the loss of their friends...death is real... :mad:
I've seen nothing that said that it wasn't real... all of it...ships, Kree, fire, death...all of it. :evilangry


(Ain't it a bummer???!!!) :rolleyes:

Yeah but Dr Strange also said that there was no such thing as chaos magic, and he was using it back in the 90s. So, y'know, not that much faith in him...

[Siddon]

There are 2 ways to get out of "what doc strange said"

Plan A: Wanda recreates the World in her image and puts Hawkeye back, I didn't see Simon go away when she mind melted and he was drawn to her.

Plan B:
Captain America, "Great Job at the Mansion stopping Wanda"
Doc Strange, "huh I was never at the Mansion"
Captain America " But we saw you fight Wanda and tell us there was no Chaos majic"
Doc Strange, "That wasn't me, Chaos majic is real, I've used it"
Captain America "But you fought Wanda as she was manipulating reality"
Doc Strange, "So let me get this straight, Wanda can manipulate reality right"
Captain America "yeah"
Doc Strange, "And I show up out of the blue even though I was never an Avenger"
Captain America "yeah"
Doc Strange, "And you just take it at face value"
Captain America "sh@t"
Doc Strange <in mock cap voice> "Oh hey look Doc Strange says Wanda's crazy and evil and Hawkeye's really dead. No need to double check skippy"
Captain America "sh#t"
Doc Strange "Have you even looked for Hawkeye yet"
Captain America "sh#t"
Doc Strange "GO LOOK FOR HAWKEYE CAPTAIN DumbASS!"

[BlackKnight]

There are 2 ways to get out of "what doc strange said"

Plan A: Wanda recreates the World in her image and puts Hawkeye back, I didn't see Simon go away when she mind melted and he was drawn to her.

Plan B:
Captain America, "Great Job at the Mansion stopping Wanda"
Doc Strange, "huh I was never at the Mansion"
Captain America " But we saw you fight Wanda and tell us there was no Chaos majic"
Doc Strange, "That wasn't me, Chaos majic is real, I've used it"
Captain America "But you fought Wanda as she was manipulating reality"
Doc Strange, "So let me get this straight, Wanda can manipulate reality right"
Captain America "yeah"
Doc Strange, "And I show up out of the blue even though I was never an Avenger"
Captain America "yeah"
Doc Strange, "And you just take it at face value"
Captain America "sh@t"
Doc Strange <in mock cap voice> "Oh hey look Doc Strange says Wanda's crazy and evil and Hawkeye's really dead. No need to double check skippy"
Captain America "sh#t"
Doc Strange "Have you even looked for Hawkeye yet"
Captain America "sh#t"
Doc Strange "GO LOOK FOR HAWKEYE CAPTAIN DumbASS!"

God that was great, I am laughing my ass off.

[BlackKnight]

Sorry, Siddon, Dr. Strange said they WERE real.... he said he couldn't reverse the loss of their friends...death is real... :mad:
I've seen nothing that said that it wasn't real... all of it...ships, Kree, fire, death...all of it. :evilangry


(Ain't it a bummer???!!!) :rolleyes:

Read everything that Dr. Strange said, knowing what you know about Wanda now.
God I couldn't resist.

[Wycross]

Marvel has an established collection of supernatural characters. Many or which could theoretically have the ability to restore life to the dead. Most Marvel heroes know about these characters, and could find a way to pursue the restoration of Hawkeye (or ANY dead character). Honestly, it could be a fun storyline for the questing character.

Let's say that Captain America decides he doesn't want Hawkeye to be dead any more. He goes to Dr. Strange and asks how he would go about about acheiving this goal. Strange, for his part, would have to give his stock answer of "I can't do that." After which Cap has to find other Supernatually-based super heroes (or super villians, why not?) to help him.

So let's say that Cap ends up going to Doctor Doom (Let's also say that Doom has resurfaced for the sake of argument). Cap plays on Doom's ego to get his help. Doom is really enthused by the idea of proving himself superior to Strange and even Death. Doom also may see this as a way of testing a method to save his mother (I forget, is Doom's mother still in hell?). At any rate, you have Doom and Cap now working towards resurrecting Hawkeye.

Eventually, they find a way to confront Mephisto and Mephisto agrees, but with his typical flair, gets to apply the old "Demonic Screwjob" and now Cap has a spiffy curse to deal with from Mephisto. Not only that, but Doom IS a villian. He plays HIS "Doom Screwjob" on Cap as well! Poor Cap now owes Doom a favor! To top it off, our revived Hawkeye is mad at his old buddy Cap for dealing with Doom! Hawkeye plays the "You betrayed everything you stand for" thing on Cap.

Well, I think it could be fun ;)

[Mister Mets]

There are 2 ways to get out of "what doc strange said"

Plan A: Wanda recreates the World in her image and puts Hawkeye back, I didn't see Simon go away when she mind melted and he was drawn to her.

Plan B:
Captain America, "Great Job at the Mansion stopping Wanda"
Doc Strange, "huh I was never at the Mansion"
Captain America " But we saw you fight Wanda and tell us there was no Chaos majic"
Doc Strange, "That wasn't me, Chaos majic is real, I've used it"
Captain America "But you fought Wanda as she was manipulating reality"
Doc Strange, "So let me get this straight, Wanda can manipulate reality right"
Captain America "yeah"
Doc Strange, "And I show up out of the blue even though I was never an Avenger"
Captain America "yeah"
Doc Strange, "And you just take it at face value"
Captain America "sh@t"
Doc Strange <in mock cap voice> "Oh hey look Doc Strange says Wanda's crazy and evil and Hawkeye's really dead. No need to double check skippy"
Captain America "sh#t"
Doc Strange "Have you even looked for Hawkeye yet"
Captain America "sh#t"
Doc Strange "GO LOOK FOR HAWKEYE CAPTAIN DumbASS!"


Plan B's actually a great idea,

You could always say that the Hawkeye who died was an illusion created by Wanda.

[Red State Cap]

Exactly.
CA would never deal with Doom, especially not if it involved Mephisto. He's proven willing time and again to decline results achieved through nefarious means.
I'm not really ticked about it, because it will get retconned. Maybe sooner rather than later.

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[Kirk G]

Actually all you would have to do is say that Hawkeye was thrown clear of the explosion, lost his memory and was found by sheild. Simple enough.

Wait...already been done....
See Silver Surfer # 17.... the Surfer vs. Shield....
Myphisto kidnapps Shala Bal, wipes her mind, places her in harms way in Sheild despite Nick Fury questioning her sudden appearance, and then sets the Surfer out to destroy Sheild as an evil organization...hoping he'll wipe Shalla Bal (his long lost girlfriend) out in the process and cause him pain.

So, you see, some of that exact senario has been done...

[Kirk G]

Not bad, not bad.
Yes, I believe all the stories wind up with his mother still in Haydes...

[Mo S.]

Okay, here we go:
Wanda was angry with all the Avengers, hence the Kree warships and all the rest. She wanted to punish them all, to frighten them. At the moment the Kree "warship" explodes she realizes that Hawkeye, her old friend, is badly hurt. She is angry at him, but she doesn't want him dead, either. She puts him in some sort of stasis; his body shows up somewhere outside of New York, away from the fight, with no ID and he's taken to a hospital in a coma-like state.

His mind is in a fantasy world somewhere, created by Wanda -- maybe something where his life took a completely different turn. His father wasn't an alcoholic jerk, his parents didn't die, his brother was a good guy and friend, his wife isn't dead, he has some active, exciting job (could even be SHIELD -- or, lol, The Ultimates), some version of Wanda exists there as his good friend, etc etc. Eventually the hospital fingerprints the comatose man, sends the prints in for ID, and viola! Instant ID, Cap and company show up to bring him back. Except that his case is strange, there is brain activity that indicates he is alive and aware but they can't wake him. They call in an occult master (not Dr. Strange because *I* say we sue him for occult malpractice) who recognizes the condition for what it is.

It's now up to Cap and Black Widow to go into a trance and be sent out into the plane of unreality that Hawkeye is living in and drag him back -- except that Wanda doesn't want to let go, Hawkeye refuses to believe them, and a battle of sorts ensues before Hawkeye has to leave his "wonderful life" and come back to his real one, where none of the good stuff exists -- the end.

Conversely, if he IS dead, then I wanna see the miniseries where he goes to get his wife back from Mephisto so they can spend the afterlife together. He deserves a miniseries after such a pointless death.

[grendel824]

I like the "dead is dead... at least for awhile" idea, but as far as Hawkeye is concerned he's so obviously not dead that it's a moot point.

[tricksterpup]

Ok, How I would bring back Hawlkeye.
I would have Captain America wake up and go to the bathroom and the shower is running. Clint is in the shower, New Avengers was just a dream.

[Kirk G]

Ok, How I would bring back Hawlkeye.
I would have Captain America wake up and go to the bathroom and the shower is running. Clint is in the shower, New Avengers was just a dream.
Been Done by somebody in Dallas before....

I kinda like the creative idea of having Cap and Black Widow go into his dream state to "rescue him", but I think there should be great resentment by Clint that they bring him out of "heaven"... which it appeared to him to be.

Also, why not say that that's were Clint is right now? That is, why not have the mini-series detail how he realizes that he's dead... and that this is his chance to go get Mockingbird... so, the mini or one-shot, or whatever, is him battling Myphisto to get them BOTH back.... (and remember, Clint will cheat when necessary... ;) )

[Cephus]

I'm a strict believer in 'dead is dead'. I don't think *ANYONE* who is dead should ever come back under any circumstances, unless it's obviously been set up beforehand.

That said, there are ways Hawkeye could come back since they never found a body, so I wouldn't complain too loudly in this instance. Honestly doesn't matter to me either way.