The Red Hood Revealed? (Major Batman #639 SPOILER)

[Bruce Wayne Jr.]

While skimming across another board, I came across this:

http://www.comicboards.com/batman/view.php?trd=050309103908

The poster would have us believe that The Red Hood is in fact Ra's Al Ghul.

As much as I like the guy, I'm a little cross on the whole idea.

Doesn't this completely contradict "Death and the Maidens"? And wasn't there some kind of moratorium on The Demon's Head, with the new Batman flick coming out?

[palaeomerus]

My current theory.... POTENTIAL SPOILERS Hi-Light to read.


I'm thinking that the ClueMaster isn't really dead and now he's back and sufficiently trained up and on his game to do something about how angry he is about what happened to Steph(his daughter).

He's come for Batman and Black Mask. He's probably going try to get at Batman through the remains of Jason Todd.

[Captain Jim]

While skimming across another board, I came across this:

http://www.comicboards.com/batman/view.php?trd=050309103908

The poster would have us believe that The Red Hood is in fact Ra's Al Ghul.

As much as I like the guy, I'm a little cross on the whole idea.

Doesn't this completely contradict "Death and the Maidens"? And wasn't there some kind of moratorium on The Demon's Head, with the new Batman flick coming out?

I certainly hope this isn't true, because if it is, it's going to be big-time out of character, IMO.

[Gauss]

The Red Hood's speech patterns alone would tend to disqualify this one for me.

[handOFfate]

I agree with Gauss. Ra's has a unique speech that doesn't match the Red Hood's.

[Mia]

No I don't think it's Ra's. A few things, first there was Bruce's reaction he seemed surprised. I think if it had been Ra's he would have been ticked.

Second when I looked at the preview of cover, I believe it was in Wizard, you could see the reflection of the unmasked figures head, and it looked like that of a young man too me (with dark hair). So I'm guessing that it's Jason. And wasn't Jason's grave empty?

[Jaye]

Second when I looked at the preview of cover, I believe it was in Wizard, you could see the reflection of the unmasked figures head, and it looked like that of a young man too me (with dark hair). So I'm guessing that it's Jason. And wasn't Jason's grave empty?

Not sure if you read the link, but one part said:
"red hood is ra's al ghul..ras al ghul used a lazirus pit 2 make himself young as nightwing but strong as batman "I'm young as the broken wing.But strong as a detective"....."



Which would explain the young man thing, and the surpirse even.
Not that I want this to be the answer, but .... yeah.

[Mia]

Not sure if you read the link, but one part said:
"red hood is ra's al ghul..ras al ghul used a lazirus pit 2 make himself young as nightwing but strong as batman "I'm young as the broken wing.But strong as a detective"....."



Which would explain the young man thing, and the surpirse even.
Not that I want this to be the answer, but .... yeah.

Obviously not! Next time I'll follow the link...so I won't have to outfit myself with a pair of donkey's ears......


Thanks 13th!

[Brian Cronin]

It would make SOME sense if Ra's was also sorta messed up in the head, after being revived this time.

-Brian

[clt123456789]

have any of you seen the advance images of the cover for this one yet or looked at it closely ? here comes the spoiler
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IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE THE RED HOOD IS NONE OTHER THAN....Jason Todd. i know it will lame if i'm right but i've been reading batman through every incartation or artist since the golden age stuff. if that ain't jason todd, its either tim drake, a young dick grayson or jason's evil twin...who should at least be somewhere closer to dick's age than the size build of the hood...and for the record if i'm right about this i, i'll be the most disappointed reader i know if not in the whole free world. so proceed to shred my observation/ theory at will ok? laters



you all know batman can beat any super hero right? name one and i'll tell you how he'd do..! :evilsmile :eek:

[tymac]

I know it's out of continuity, but wouldn't it be great if the Red Hood was Ibn Al Xu'ffasch or some other teen/young adult version of the Batman/ Talia baby?

Bruce wouldn't know what to do.

[jwd]

The Red Hood's speech patterns alone would tend to disqualify this one for me.

Well if he's younger now they might be changing his speech pattern to make him "young and hip" or "fresh" or whatever word the kids are using nowadays.


No idea if this is legitimate. I think its more likely to be Ras Al Ghul than Jason Todd though.

Really stupid idea #346
Heck maybe is Ras Al Ghul's mind in Jason Todd's body. He dumps the body in the Lazarus Pit but Jason's soul is up in heaven and doesn't want to return. Ras has figured out a mind transfer technique so when he dies in Death and Maidens his mind is transfered to the Jason's body soaking in the Lazarus Pit.

Oh and I guess the accelerated aging would have to be involved since the Red Hood looks older than Jason was when he died.

I don't really think that will happen but with some comics out there nowadays I wouldn't be suprised.

Joe

[Steadfast]

you all know batman can beat any super hero right? name one and i'll tell you how he'd do..! :evilsmile :eek:

Okay... the Spectre.

[Jaye]

Okay... the Spectre.

Hey welcome to CBR.

Just wanted to let you know that all VS threads and posts will be either moved to the Rumbles forum, or deleted. This isn't aimed at you, Steadfast, more at clt1234567 who might enjoy that forum. And a Spectre VS Batman thread could be interesting over there.

Thanks.

[Forsaken_One]

Hey welcome to CBR.

Just wanted to let you know that all VS threads and posts will be either moved to the Rumbles forum, or deleted. This isn't aimed at you, Steadfast, more at clt1234567 who might enjoy that forum. And a Spectre VS Batman thread could be interesting over there.

Thanks.
And I thank you for this policy and it's enforcement so much.

[SuperGodGinrai]

I know it's out of continuity, but wouldn't it be great if the Red Hood was Ibn Al Xu'ffasch or some other teen/young adult version of the Batman/ Talia baby?

Bruce wouldn't know what to do.

This was one of my picks too hehe.
I really hope it's not Jason Todd...

[Ronald Bryan]

Hmmm. The June DC solicitations say this:

"The Red Hood has Onyx on her heels"


HER heels.


Hmmm

Might be a mistake.


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Ah, I was told who it more than likely is from the Heroclix figure and all I can say is (to steal a phrase from Cronin) LAME.

[Michael P]

Hey welcome to CBR.

Just wanted to let you know that all VS threads and posts will be either moved to the Rumbles forum, or deleted. This isn't aimed at you, Steadfast, more at clt1234567 who might enjoy that forum.
He might enjoy it, but it wouldn't enjoy him.

[Captain Jim]

Hmmm. The June DC solicitations say this:

"The Red Hood has Onyx on her heels"


HER heels.


Hmmm

Might be a mistake.

I believe the anticedent to "her" in this case is "Onyx", not "the Red Hood".

[Michael P]

I believe the anticedent to "her" in this case is "Onyx", not "the Red Hood".
"The Red Hood has Onyx on Onyx's heels?" That doesn't make sense.

[Captain Jim]

Why not???

[Brian Cronin]

"The Red Hood has Onyx on Onyx's heels?" That doesn't make sense.

If it is referencing Onyx, then it would mean that Onxy is backing up, "on her heels" as it were. Which would make some sense.

By the by, isn't Ra's Al Ghul a woman now? So maybe the female thing AND the Ra's thing are correct? :)

-Brian

[Captain Jim]

Well, the "demon head" or whatever is a woman, but that doesn't make her Ras.

[palaeomerus]

Yes it does. Ras Al Ghul litteraly MEANS the head of the Demon.

[Aaron King]

Regarding the Red Hood Heroclix figure: It's Joker because Joker was one of the original Red Hoods. The first Red Hood was sort of a rotating cast and the last one was a gangster that Batman knocked into some acid. He came out and was all white with green hair, etc.

Regarding Ra's coming back: In one of the recent Teen Titans issues (from Titans tomorrow, 17-19) Bette Kane is back as Batwoman even though she had died at the hands of Duela Dent. Anyway, Tim asks how she came back and she says something to the effect of "The deal you made with Ra's Al Ghul worked... sort of," to which Tim says something like, "Ra's? He's dead!" The whole story was heavily hinting at the upcoming Crisis, so maybe this is the part that the Batman comics get to lead up to.

[The Joker]

I would accept Ra's as The Red Hood, over Jason Todd anyday. :)

[Sharcque]

Ra's would make sense, being that he's the main villain inthe movie, maybe they want to give his character a push by doing this...

[Batfan Beyond]

Regarding the Red Hood Heroclix figure: It's Joker because Joker was one of the original Red Hoods. The first Red Hood was sort of a rotating cast and the last one was a gangster that Batman knocked into some acid. He came out and was all white with green hair, etc.

Regarding Ra's coming back: In one of the recent Teen Titans issues (from Titans tomorrow, 17-19) Bette Kane is back as Batwoman even though she had died at the hands of Duela Dent. Anyway, Tim asks how she came back and she says something to the effect of "The deal you made with Ra's Al Ghul worked... sort of," to which Tim says something like, "Ra's? He's dead!" The whole story was heavily hinting at the upcoming Crisis, so maybe this is the part that the Batman comics get to lead up to.


Maybe the Joker before his accident ?.Last time we saw him he was back at the circus and returning to his roots and it would lead upto the upcoming crisis also and re-vitalize his character which has a been stale his last few appearances.

[knightsintights]

I hoep its not Ra, not Jason, or the Joker. The best new villian for Batman shoul d be Jean Paul Valley, returned from the dead, even more crazy, thet might be why Batman thinks he had prior training.

I am loving this run I hope it not killed by having a lame surprise.

[LooksBetterDrawn]

It's Hush again, the bandages just would not stay on so he had to put the red hood over them...

[comic_lover]

The Red Hood is none other than......

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.................Sasha ! How the hell that happened,I have no idea,but so says a good bud of mine.I'll believe it when I see it.

[jetter_cheeze]

I hoep its not Ra, not Jason, or the Joker. The best new villian for Batman shoul d be Jean Paul Valley, returned from the dead, even more crazy, thet might be why Batman thinks he had prior training.

I am loving this run I hope it not killed by having a lame surprise.


Az being back with a vengeance would be great.

[The Joker]

Az as a villian would be pure gold. :)

[The Xenos]

Avoiding the rest of the thread because I forget if I've read the last issue, but I got an idea the other night. I was reading the rather purposely for gotten and Bat-office hushed up graphic novel (I belive it was a OGN) Batman: Son of the Demon. Those of you who have heard of this know where I'm going with this. Now, if they have Son of the Demon set at the beginning of Batman's carreer, maybe the read hood turns out to be Talia and Batman's son.

Yeah, not very likley, but just a random thought I had after reading it.

-Xenos

[The Joker]

Isnt that consdered a elseworlds story?

I doubt it's Talia's and Bruce's long lost son. Especially since it's not in cannon.

But this is a crazy world we live in! :)

[CjP]

What do we know so far?

* Non-meta (or at least hasn't displayed any powers).
* Male (based an people who have talked to and fought with him).
* Above-average hand-to-hand combatant.
* Wields customized dagger (unique desgin, plus sharp enough to cut off the utility belt).
* Apparently knows Batman's identity.
* His identity apparently known to Batman.
* Affinity for children (no dealing drugs to schools)
* Doesn't know an AK-47 from a hole in the ground (kidding) :D
* Not averse to murder.


Did I miss any? Proven facts, that is...

[the_coldest_sun]

I dont even read any Batman titles, but damned if I ain't excited to see who's under the hood!!

[Sharcque]

You know --- it is called "Family Reunion", isn't it? Wouldn't that make it either a true member of someone's family, or a member of the Bat Family?

[comic_lover]

You know --- it is called "Family Reunion", isn't it? Wouldn't that make it either a true member of someone's family, or a member of the Bat Family? Personally, I believe it to be Azrael,but who really knows ?!?! :confused:

[Phoney Bone]

What do we know so far?

* Non-meta (or at least hasn't displayed any powers).
* Male (based an people who have talked to and fought with him).
* Above-average hand-to-hand combatant.
* Wields customized dagger (unique desgin, plus sharp enough to cut off the utility belt).
* Apparently knows Batman's identity.
* His identity apparently known to Batman.
* Affinity for children (no dealing drugs to schools)
* Doesn't know an AK-47 from a hole in the ground (kidding) :D
* Not averse to murder.


Did I miss any? Proven facts, that is...


This is purley speculation, not spoiler....seems like Cluemaster to me. "dead means dead" is only over at Marvel. :D

[Bruce Wayne Jr.]

You know --- it is called "Family Reunion", isn't it? Wouldn't that make it either a true member of someone's family, or a member of the Bat Family?

I'm sure Ra's would love to call Bruce his son; or that Talia could claim him as her beloved. Azrael also fits in his own perverse way. Hmmm... :confused:

[Forsaken_One]

This is purley speculation, not spoiler....seems like Cluemaster to me. "dead means dead" is only over at Marvel. :D
What, with the "sole exception" of Jean Grey, Psylock, Elektra, Deadpool, and anyone else who catches a hot writer's fancy?

[Phoney Bone]

What, with the "sole exception" of Jean Grey, Psylock, Elektra, Deadpool, and anyone else who catches a hot writer's fancy?

are you calling Quesada a liar? :eek: ;) ;)

[Sharcque]

I'm sure Ra's would love to call Bruce his son; or that Talia could claim him as her beloved. Azrael also fits in his own perverse way. Hmmm... :confused:
The more I think about this, the more I think that it will be Azrael.

[CjP]

The more I think about this, the more I think that it will be Azrael.


It might have been the armor, but I always thought Jean-Paul was bigger than how the Red Hood looks... and definitely not as acrobatic.

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[ouiyahtsiouiyah]

is this for real???

[Sharcque]

If it is who Superman Prime says it is, then why would seeing his face shock Batman? He wouldn't recognize him.... :confused:

[meethraa]

My neighbor's girlfriend's cousin is good friends with a guy who once walked by Judd Winick's father's dentist and...




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And it's Deadshot.

[Mia]

I just read on another message board. Where a person says they got it from a reputable source (Wizard mag) that the Red Hood is Jason Todd.

[Forsaken_One]

I just read on another message board. Where a person says they got it from a reputable source (Wizard mag) that the Red Hood is Jason Todd.
Wizard is a reliable magazine now?

[Mia]

Wizard is a reliable magazine now?


What are you talking about? It's a very distinguished publication right up there with the TV Guide, National Enquirer and Toronto Globe and Mail. I keep it right beside the lavatory.

[Captain Jim]

I read somewhere on the DCU forum that there's a new Wizard coming out tomorrow, so I suppose it's possible someone got an early copy. It's been known to happen before. But gosh darn it, if this is true, I am going to be very, very unhappy. :mad:

[The Joker]

I read somewhere on the DCU forum that there's a new Wizard coming out tomorrow, so I suppose it's possible someone got an early copy. It's been known to happen before. But gosh darn it, if this is true, I am going to be very, very unhappy. :mad:

You're not the only one.

This sucks.

Nice going DC. :evilangry

[ouiyahtsiouiyah]

Tomorrows the Day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We'll just have to wait and see

[comic_lover]

RE : Batman #639 Uh....Damn.I mean DAMN. Should I spoil you guys ? Nah -get the book -it's a cowbar to the head. :D

[The Joker]

it's a cowbar to the head. :D


Why, that sounds like a hint.

Guess it's pretty much a done deal then. :eek:

[comic_lover]

Why, that sounds like a hint.

Guess it's pretty much a done deal then. :eek: One problem : Who in the hell is Hush ??????

[Captain Jim]

But gosh darn it, if this is true, I am going to be very, very unhappy. :mad:

Okay, it certainly appears to be Jason. (Hey, the topic does say "Major Batman #639 SPOILER, why are we skirting the issue?)

I still have a lot of reservations about the wisdom of this course of action, but I'm willing to see what develops. They'd better have a DARN good explanation, though (hopefully something better than Lazarus pits). Having said this, I have to admit that it opens the way for a lot of interesting developments.

[Ryno]

The Lazarus Pits seems to be the most likely method to bring him back. I could see Ra's Al Gul spiriting Jason’s body away after burial and brining him back, figuring if the Dark Knight wouldn’t be his heir than his squire would do. Of course, Jason being Jason, didn’t just go along with the program.

With Ra's out of the picture, at least for now. Jason got away and went to find Bruce. Once back in Gotham he sees that Bruce has a new Robin, one that he has taken care to give extensive training and equipment.Far more than was given to Jason. Angry, Jason begins to plot his revenge on Batman.

[Captain Jim]

But why the heck is he wearing a Robin mask underneath the hood?

[Ryno]

But why the heck is he wearing a Robin mask underneath the hood?

Perhaps it's an homage to the person he was just as the Red Hood mask is a nod to the man who killed him. Perhaps he plans to reclaim his rightful spot as Robin. I'd love to see him become Tim's main arch enemy.

[Sharcque]

Hey --- some posts are missing!!! From 1:48am to 10:51pm....they're all gone. :confused:

[Expletive Deleted]

But why the heck is he wearing a Robin mask underneath the hood?Because otherwise he wouldn't be as recognizable to the reader.

[jwd]

Yes I realize its April Fools Day.

DC is claiming that Countdown and some upcoming events are looking at big changes for the DCU. They've claimed things before though...

Anyway I wonder... would they do something really drastic... like have Jason actually kill the Joker.

I mean Jason tracks the Joker to Axis Chemicals. They fight. Jason kills him and takes a fall into the acid. He gets the white paste face treatment. After everything he's been through he blames Batman because if Batman has killed the Joker years ago he never would've been killed by the Joker in the first place or ended up falling in a vat of acid. The insanity builds and another Red Hood is turned into the Joker.

This would give "the Joker" a personal connection to Batman. An insane enemy with a grudge against him. It would also solve those that complain the Joker gets away with too much and should've been killed years ago.

Personally I'm kind of indifferent with big changes in comics anymore. I wouldn't mind if it happened and I wouldn't mind of things stayed the same.

[The Shadow]

Anyway I wonder... would they do something really drastic... like have Jason actually kill the Joker.
Sure... why not?

They'd just bring him back again

[G_Man]

Gotta admit, for better or worse; I may never have liked Jason much but it was very cathartic watching him beat Joker to a pulp with that crowbar. Vengeance is sweet indeed.

[sikkbones]

Yes I realize its April Fools Day.

DC is claiming that Countdown and some upcoming events are looking at big changes for the DCU. They've claimed things before though...

Anyway I wonder... would they do something really drastic... like have Jason actually kill the Joker.

I mean Jason tracks the Joker to Axis Chemicals. They fight. Jason kills him and takes a fall into the acid. He gets the white paste face treatment. After everything he's been through he blames Batman because if Batman has killed the Joker years ago he never would've been killed by the Joker in the first place or ended up falling in a vat of acid. The insanity builds and another Red Hood is turned into the Joker.

This would give "the Joker" a personal connection to Batman. An insane enemy with a grudge against him. It would also solve those that complain the Joker gets away with too much and should've been killed years ago.

Personally I'm kind of indifferent with big changes in comics anymore. I wouldn't mind if it happened and I wouldn't mind of things stayed the same.


great.... they've already used the lazurus pit and now they're gonna use the jack nicholson routine?

[Gandt]

Well, I believe he is wearing the mask under the mask for two reasons.

Reason 1: So that we know he is Jason Todd. If he didn't have the mask on, he would be just another guy.

Reason 2: As we saw in a great Batman:TAS episode, Batman sometimes wore a second mask underneath his cowl. That way, if he was dismasked, his identity would still remain a secret.

[Deathstroke]

Please oh please let this be a bad dream.

[jwd]

great.... they've already used the lazurus pit and now they're gonna use the jack nicholson routine?


Well I didn't say they would do it or if it was even planned. I was just speculating and wondering what would happen if they did.

I mean sure they might but I agree that eventually the original Joker would be back.

[sikkbones]

jason todd back from the dead is a lousy plot device and shows how much DC sucks.

[The Shadow]

jason todd back from the dead is a lousy plot device and shows how much DC sucks.
I think it shows how desperate for ideas they are when they can't do anything better.

At least with Hal... I SORT OF get it... he WAS popular and people missed him for 10+ years... but Jason was not missed and the fans (including me!) voted to off the litte sh!t

[sikkbones]

trust me... in 2 years... all but the most hardcore fans will not care...and todd will probaly be dead agian...

does he at least look like clayface's version of robin?

[Astonishing X-Fan]

"does he at least look like clayface's version of robin?"

We only saw him from the neck up, so it's unsure. Same hair and mask I believe, though.

[The Joker]

great.... they've already used the lazurus pit and now they're gonna use the jack nicholson routine?

That would be really horrible.

Killing off The Joker would be a really stupid move on DC's part. Who in their right mind would actually think it would last? Sure, it would signal a death of a major character, and generate great sales I'm sure... but in the end. It would be hopelessly hollow. A cheap, VERY cheap, publicity stunt. Nothing more, nothing less.

The ORIGINAL Joker would return.

And it would be alot quicker than Jason Todd's resurface. Trust me.

[Gauss]

Killing off The Joker would be a really stupid move on DC's part. Who in their right mind would actually think it would last? Sure, it would signal a death of a major character, and generate great sales I'm sure... but in the end. It would be hopelessly hollow. A cheap, VERY cheap, publicity stunt. Nothing more, nothing less.

The Joker died in his first appearance. He's died a number of times since. It's the Joker, so we KNOW he'll be back no matter how convincing the evidence of his demise is. Don't worry about it. ;)

[The Joker]

The Joker died in his first appearance. He's died a number of times since. It's the Joker, so we KNOW he'll be back no matter how convincing the evidence of his demise is. Don't worry about it. ;)

Oh, I'm not.

I just dont like cheap publicity stunts. :)

[sikkbones]

didn't the joker die or appear to be dead at the end of a death in the family?

and didn't return until after a lonely place of dying?

[Apathy Boy]

Edit: Gah! Wrong thread. Never mind.

[bannermanonemillion]

Ten bucks says that Neron is somehow brought back to power as a result of Day of Judgement (where Spectre goes apespit on all the DCU magic) and once he does he starts resurrected recently dead bad guys...........starting with the Joker.

Whaddaya think?

[Mon-el]

Ten bucks says that Neron is somehow brought back to power as a result of Day of Judgement (where Spectre goes apespit on all the DCU magic) and once he does he starts resurrected recently dead bad guys...........starting with the Joker.

Whaddaya think?

Interesting theory........but if you read Richard Dragon #11 you will know that it Shiva that Neron is after.

[bannermanonemillion]

Interesting theory........but if you read Richard Dragon #11 you will know that it Shiva that Neron is after.

Ah, but is RD part if Infinite Crisis?

[Mon-el]

Ah, but is RD part if Infinite Crisis?

I highly doubt it since its cancelled at Issue #12,

I think you are really onto something there to your theory since Neron appeared to RD this week to kill Shiva.

I don't think the Joker is dead in Batman though, like Blue Beetle it remains to be said yet.

[jwd]

I usually avoid spoilers but since I had it spoiled already I went ahead and posted in this thread.

Finally read the issue. I enjoyed this story arc but I have one major problem with it. I didn't care if it was Jason or if it wasn't Jason. Based on the cover though this issue looked like it would be Batman's reaction to the unmasking. We didn't get that. They started this story arc with an unmasking but didn't end it at the same point.

The main reason for me to read this is I want to see what Batman's reaction will be and how he will handle it.

I guess that's what the next arc is for.

Joe

[Captain Jim]

Curious, I just read the same critique for Countdown, which came out the same day.

[comic_lover]

jason todd back from the dead is a lousy plot device and shows how much DC sucks.Hey,it beats what they did to Blue Beetle in Countdown ! :(

[DEWLine]

What are you talking about? It's a very distinguished publication right up there with the TV Guide, National Enquirer and Toronto Globe and Mail. I keep it right beside the lavatory.

The Globe and Mail should sue for the abovesaid characterisation. Not the "distinguished publication" tag, but for the company it's being asked to keep therein!

[Corey Dreher]

My current theory.... POTENTIAL SPOILERS Hi-Light to read.


I'm thinking that the ClueMaster isn't really dead and now he's back and sufficiently trained up and on his game to do something about how angry he is about what happened to Steph(his daughter).

He's come for Batman and Black Mask. He's probably going try to get at Batman through the remains of Jason Todd.


Thats a good theory.

[The Shadow]

Hey,it beats what they did to Blue Beetle in Countdown ! :(
Why? They'll just throw him in a pit.

Even the realistic deaths like dying in an explosion (Ollie and Jason) are being undone. Whats a bullet to the head?

[UniqueFrequency]

Why? They'll just throw him in a pit.

Even the realistic deaths like dying in an explosion (Ollie and Jason) are being undone. Whats a bullet to the head?

man, it was pretty graphic though