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Dark Soul # 7
03-12-2005, 07:36 AM
I donīt mean the organic stuff but the webbing from his web shooters.
Who was the strongest person they could hold without that person snapping it in seconds, and can you post some other feats for that webbing?

Venomous
03-12-2005, 07:53 AM
It was supposed to hold everyone below Spiderman's strenght level with ease

Dark Soul # 7
03-12-2005, 08:12 AM
It was supposed to hold everyone below Spiderman's strenght level with ease
Ok my bad, I formulated the question wrong.
Can the web hold the Thing?
If yes then how much further on the strength scale can it go?

Sean Whitmore
03-12-2005, 02:31 PM
I hate to throw in a "real life" answer, but the webbing is exactly as strong as the writer needs it to be for that issue. :)

There have been issues where Spidey became entangled in his own webs, and couldn't break free. But during the clone saga, Spidey says he can't use his web on the clones because he designed it so that he could break through it himself. In Secret Wars, Rogue couldn't break his web, but since then numerous people with less trength could do so. Sometimes Doctor Octopus' arms could be subdued by using "a lot of webbing", and other times no amount is enough to hold him. In one of the early Spider-Man annuals, it was said that a single strand of webbing could hold the Thing, and since then the Thing and weaker characters have snapped his webbing with ease.


SEAN

Artemis1
03-12-2005, 02:45 PM
It is so strong that enough of it could trap Thing for life.

Venomous
03-12-2005, 04:08 PM
the whole "Spidey's webb can hold the Thing" sheisse comes from waaay back when Spidey started when Ben was actually not stronger than class 10, and Spidey's webb has always been (or supposed to be) "class 10" so to speak

Jake V
03-12-2005, 04:46 PM
It is so strong that enough of it could trap Thing for life.
... except that it dissolves in an hour. :)

Reptisaurus!
03-12-2005, 08:28 PM
Ok my bad, I formulated the question wrong.
Can the web hold the Thing?


No.

It can't hold the Lizard, and the Thing's quite a bit stronger'n Curt. Or pretty much any of the other million and seven Spidey villains who have broken through his web.

That bit from ... was it Annual # 1?... was a bit of narrative hyperbole on Stan's part, or else was written before they'd figured out how strong the Thing really is. At best it can temporarily blind him, or slow him down for a minute or two.

onizuka
03-13-2005, 05:31 PM
i remember reading somewhere that it was strong enough to hold even the Hulk, if Spidey had the chance to wrap him up in enough of the stuff. there's a specific word they use that i can't quiet remeber now but basically the more there is the stronger it is, so even though one strand couldn't hold the Thing, if Spidey had the chance to pour enough webbing on him it'd reach a point where it could hold him until it would dissolve.

might've been a handbook or something. i remember it saying that then following with 'but when woulod Spidey get the chance to cover the Hulk in that much webbing,' or something to that effect.

man, this is gonna bug me till i rerember where it's from.

Ian Boothby
03-13-2005, 05:39 PM
... except that it dissolves in an hour. :)

Except when it doesn't. I was just reading the Essential Spectacular Spider-Man and he hdies his street clothes by webbing them up and then gets them hours to a day later the web is still there.

If his webs didn't dissolve couldn't a bad guy just follow them until he found out where Spider-Man lived?

chicainery
03-14-2005, 12:22 AM
I hate to throw in a "real life" answer, but the webbing is exactly as strong as the writer needs it to be for that issue. :)

There have been issues where Spidey became entangled in his own webs, and couldn't break free. But during the clone saga, Spidey says he can't use his web on the clones because he designed it so that he could break through it himself. In Secret Wars, Rogue couldn't break his web, but since then numerous people with less trength could do so. Sometimes Doctor Octopus' arms could be subdued by using "a lot of webbing", and other times no amount is enough to hold him. In one of the early Spider-Man annuals, it was said that a single strand of webbing could hold the Thing, and since then the Thing and weaker characters have snapped his webbing with ease.


SEAN

Not to sound too silly here, but I think that if you wanted to you could explain away many of those situations by saying that Spidey's web hadn't had quite enough time to fully solidify some of the times it got snapped. Other times it had.

That is, if you wanted to.

Trystenn
03-14-2005, 04:35 PM
Really it depemds, like some have said, depends on what the writer wants.

But if you want a better answer: Depends on the situation Spidey thinks he might be facing, if he knows he will be taking on bricks, hell pack up some good stuff, otherwise, just the standard Class 10 holders.

Also, it could be that some of his web cartridges are extra strength in case he has to web up debris or buildings.

Sean Whitmore
03-14-2005, 05:08 PM
Not to sound too silly here, but I think that if you wanted to you could explain away many of those situations by saying that Spidey's web hadn't had quite enough time to fully solidify some of the times it got snapped. Other times it had.


Oh, that's got its own set of inconsistencies! :)

In an old Peter Parker, Spider-Man shot Sabretooth in the eyes with webbing. Sabretooth promptly tore the web right off, and took off most of his face with it.

In a later ASM, Venom completely covers a guy's face with webbing. Spider-Man thinks something akin to "Venom's webbing hardens as fast as mine" and then, a couple of panels later, tears it off with no harm no foul.

I'm not bothered by the inconsistencies (if I were, I might question how Spidey swings from a web that's supposed to be sticky), I just point out that there are a rather lot of them. :)


SEAN

Flawless P
03-15-2005, 01:17 PM
The more he uses the longer it holds.

Luigi
03-15-2005, 05:36 PM
I have a book titled "The Science of Superheroes" by Dean Koontz. It's a book that discusses the actual science behind many of the superheroes. Very interesting book. It has an insert about Spiderman's webbing.

"In Spiderman's origin story, Peter created his web shooters working on some odds and ends in his room at Aunt May and Uncle Ben's house. The invention of the devices took place in two panels. As Peter remarked a few panels further, "only a science major could have created a device like this." In the next panel, Peter mentioned that by using some "strong liquid cement at the end", of his web, he could use his webs to pull himself anywhere.

In the feature at the rear of The Amazing Spiderman #2, we're told that Peter Parker is perhaps the world's greatest authority on webs and their creation. We also discover that Peter makes his webs in a lab and keeps if in containers like "miniature toothpaste tubes". By adjusting the nozzle of his web shooters, Peter can spray his web as thinly as a rope, in a spray to form a web, or thickly, to create a strong adhesive.

Spiderman's webslingers are Batman's silk rope pushed to the limits of technology, then beyond. Creating a small gun that attached under the wrist and fired a thin rope line would be a difficult job, but it could be done. Storing a supply of extremely high tensile strength silk beneath a costume would be equally difficult, but it could be done also. Unfortunately, that's where the coulds stop and the could-nots begin.

Spiderman's webbing solution is beyond anything that could be invented by a genius science student in his bedroom. Or even working in his well-equipped high school lab. There's no chemical compound on Earth that hardens from a liquid spray to a silken rope in an instant. Nor is there a substance that sticks to buildings and/or ceilings but not to hands. No substance exists that can be woven in seconds into a large netting that can be used to hold criminals captured for the police- and that flakes away when dry."

Anywho, just thought I'd post what he has to say. I go with the stronger as time goes theory though.

Cody H
03-15-2005, 08:05 PM
Thanks for the info Luigi. Hope it's alright that I'm imagining your post being read by the voice of Luigi from the old Super Mario Brothers Cartoon.

Luigi
03-15-2005, 10:20 PM
Thanks for the info Luigi. Hope it's alright that I'm imagining your post being read by the voice of Luigi from the old Super Mario Brothers Cartoon.

I would not have it any other way! :D

Cody H
03-16-2005, 05:13 PM
I would not have it any other way! :D
Excellent then!

Cyc
03-17-2005, 05:09 AM
i remember reading somewhere that it was strong enough to hold even the Hulk, if Spidey had the chance to wrap him up in enough of the stuff. there's a specific word they use that i can't quiet remeber now but basically the more there is the stronger it is, so even though one strand couldn't hold the Thing, if Spidey had the chance to pour enough webbing on him it'd reach a point where it could hold him until it would dissolve.

might've been a handbook or something. i remember it saying that then following with 'but when woulod Spidey get the chance to cover the Hulk in that much webbing,' or something to that effect.

man, this is gonna bug me till i rerember where it's from.

In a 90's ASM pre-clone saga Bagley run issue, Spidey gets the chance to dump two entire cartridges on a insane with fever savage smash style Hulk, and Peter admits and we see it last only a few seconds.

Cyc

cable guy
03-20-2005, 08:15 AM
i remember reading somewhere that it was strong enough to hold even the Hulk, if Spidey had the chance to wrap him up in enough of the stuff. there's a specific word they use that i can't quiet remeber now but basically the more there is the stronger it is, so even though one strand couldn't hold the Thing, if Spidey had the chance to pour enough webbing on him it'd reach a point where it could hold him until it would dissolve.

might've been a handbook or something. i remember it saying that then following with 'but when woulod Spidey get the chance to cover the Hulk in that much webbing,' or something to that effect.

man, this is gonna bug me till i rerember where it's from.

It was in Wizard magazine. It had to be because I remember the article as well. It was the only source I read.

They brought it up because of how easy everyone was breaking out of it. And they said it could Just about Hold Hulk, so how could all these other smackers break out of it.

onizuka
03-22-2005, 05:52 AM
It was in Wizard magazine. It had to be because I remember the article as well. It was the only source I read.

They brought it up because of how easy everyone was breaking out of it. And they said it could Just about Hold Hulk, so how could all these other smackers break out of it.

thanks fella. i knew i wasn't just making up stuff in my head.