Ultimate Defenders cover ad

[Kirk G]

Did anyone see the full page ad in this week's Diamond retailer that shows, gasp, that Giantman is in the New Defenders? He's the only one I recognize...
except of course for the chick with the kitty cat ears on her head,... and the girl with at least four brassen balls (like old thor's six from his chest, except she had only four....two over the breasts...and two more below on the abdomen....go figure!) :eek:

[Typo Lad]

Here...discuss.

http://www.newsarama.com/Ultimate_Marvel/UltDefend.jpg

Taken from http://www.millarworld.net/lofiversion/index.php/t45740.html

[The Sentry]

Valkyrie, Hellcat, Nighthawk seem obvious, I think.
Is that Luke Cage ?
Is the punk guy ultimate Doc Strange ?

[Crimson]

Valkyrie, Hellcat, Nighthawk seem obvious, I think.
Is that Luke Cage ?
Is the punk guy ultimate Doc Strange ?

Ultimate Doc Strange looks just like the normal Doc Strange... so unless he has a big makeover I don't think so.

[riotgear]

I wonder if the clown-looking guy is "Manslaughter", one of the last Defenders.

[Typo Lad]

They should have the tagline:

The Defenders: Your Half Naked heroes.

[Crimson]

They should have the tagline:

The Defenders: Your Half Naked heroes.

Well that would make it sell out... hell I'll preorder 3 already. ;)

[Typo Lad]

I mean, poor Patsy's gonna catch her death of cold!

Oh, and what if the clownish guy is a new gargoyl?

[The Fury]

Hmm, Valkyrie is a bit on the 1/2 naked side, but I ain't complaining.

[StoneGold]

I think this has been discussed in other places, but more likely it's Ultimate Daimon Hellstrom.

[Red State Cap]

Hey, it's the T&A Squad! How is the blond girl going to fight when her bikini bottom falls down around her ankles? But, then, maybe that's a strategy.
The guy with wings looks suspiciously like Baron Blood.
And the clown? Sorry, I can't take a superteam seriously, that has an evil-looking clown on it.
I do like the looks of Kitty-Girl, though. Rrrrowww!

RSC

[BlackKnight]

This team has already be discuss it is:
Giant Man
Valkirye
Luke Cage
Hellstorm
Hellcat
Nighthawk
and supposed the Black Knight (not pictured)

[The Fury]

and supposed the Black Knight (not pictured)
Cool but I would have thought Black Knight would have suited the European Super Soldier Program better, the same thing Cap B is in.

[StoneGold]

Cool but I would have thought Black Knight would have suited the European Super Soldier Program better, the same thing Cap B is in.
Given that the Defenders are all washouts, maybe he's the loser who was kicked out in favor of Captain Britain?

[Arrjay]

Ha!
Look!
It's Team Scantily-Clad.
I like the puddy-tat lady. Yum.

[Ned Leeds]

Looks pretty good. I will be picking up this series when it comes out. A team of rejects worse than those already on the Ultimates? Man oh man.

[Dennis K]

This team has already be discuss it is:
Giant Man
Valkirye
Luke Cage
Hellstorm
Hellcat
Nighthawk
and supposed the Black Knight (not pictured)

And soon the kvetching will begin about the over exposure of Luke Cage.

Fanboy 1: "What? He's in both New Defenders and New Avengers? That sucks!"

Fanboy 2: "Yeah, Marvel sucks."

Fanboy 1: "And why'd they have to kill Hawkeye, he kicked major ass!"

Fanboy 2: "Luke Cage is such a sell-out"

Fanboy 1: "Yeah, Marvel sucks."

[BlackKnight]

Given that the Defenders are all washouts, maybe he's the loser who was kicked out in favor of Captain Britain?

Got one question, why do you like to try and antagonize? Just wondering. you do it a lot.. don't want to fight with you. Really just wondering what you get out of it?

[BlackKnight]

And soon the kvetching will begin about the over exposure of Luke Cage.

Fanboy 1: "What? He's in both New Defenders and New Avengers? That sucks!"

Fanboy 2: "Yeah, Marvel sucks."

Fanboy 1: "And why'd they have to kill Hawkeye, he kicked major ass!"

Fanboy 2: "Luke Cage is such a sell-out"

Fanboy 1: "Yeah, Marvel sucks."


Or they could relize that one is in the ultimate universe and the other in the MU and not do that.. Hmmm yep I think I will go with the that since most fans are smarter then you just protraied them.

[Expletive Deleted]

Got one question, why do you like to try and antagonize? Just wondering. you do it a lot.. don't want to fight with you. Really just wondering what you get out of it?Not to get in the middle of this, but Millar has been very clear about the fact that this team is the Z-List of heroism in the Ultimate Universe. If Ultimate Black Knight is on the team, "loser" is probably an appropriate word choice, antagonistic or not.

That doesn't mean he won't be interesting to read about, of course. Just that he won't be Ultimates material.

[BlackKnight]

Not to get in the middle of this, but Millar has been very clear about the fact that this team is the Z-List of heroism in the Ultimate Universe. If Ultimate Black Knight is on the team, "loser" is probably an appropriate word choice.

That doesn't mean he won't be interesting to read about, of course. Just that he won't be Ultimates material.

That I don't have a problem with.. but you didn't make it sound like a slit at other poster. You explained and used information. Not just making a poor comment. (just an opinion)...

[Red State Cap]

I wonder if they will have the obligatory and gratuitous battle with a fellow super-team, namely the Avengers/Ultimates? But really that's more of a MU convention.
The UU has shown so far (which I really like) that battles have consequences, and everything isn't going to be AOK in the next issue. So, a knock-down-dragout is more than likely to end up with people getting killed.

RSC

[StoneGold]

Got one question, why do you like to try and antagonize? Just wondering. you do it a lot.. don't want to fight with you. Really just wondering what you get out of it?
Wow, someone is taking crap personally, aren't they? This has nothing to do with you. You never washed out of a British super soldier program, did you? The whole point of the Ultimate Defenders is they are the losers not fit for government work. That's been stated many times before. So if Black Knight is a member, odds are, he's as much a loser as the rest of them. If you want to go looking for hidden messages in all my writings, be my guest. But remember the whole speech from Jay and Silent Bob strike back about fictional characters? This isn't even about a fictional character based on you. This is about a permutation of a fictional character that you stole your name from. But beyond that, if you want to take your mad Miramax movie money to fly to LA to kick my ass, be my guest.

In other words, just because I'm talking about the Black Knight doesn't mean I'm talking about you.

[BlackKnight]

Wow, someone is taking crap personally, aren't they? This has nothing to do with you. You never washed out of a British super soldier program, did you? The whole point of the Ultimate Defenders is they are the losers not fit for government work. That's been stated many times before. So if Black Knight is a member, odds are, he's as much a loser as the rest of them. If you want to go looking for hidden messages in all my writings, be my guest. But remember the whole speech from Jay and Silent Bob strike back about fictional characters? This isn't even about a fictional character based on you. This is about a permutation of a fictional character that you stole your name from. But beyond that, if you want to take your mad Miramax movie money to fly to LA to kick my ass, be my guest.

In other words, just because I'm talking about the Black Knight doesn't mean I'm talking about you.

Look, man, I am sorry, bad day and all... I do appologize I overreacted. My bad.

[StoneGold]

Look, man, I am sorry, bad day and all... I do appologize I overreacted. My bad.
It's no problem. Honestly, I found the situation more funny than anything else. But believe me, it wasn't a jab at you, it was a jab at what the Defenders are supposed to be.


That said, if BK is a part of the team, I'm going to guess you're going to hate his portrayal in the book.

[tricksterpup]

Look, man, I am sorry, bad day and all... I do appologize I overreacted. My bad.
And Further more youre monkey is filled with Jello..
And if you dont like it, you dont have to read War and Peace.



;)

[BlackKnight]

It's no problem. Honestly, I found the situation more funny than anything else. But believe me, it wasn't a jab at you, it was a jab at what the Defenders are supposed to be.


That said, if BK is a part of the team, I'm going to guess you're going to hate his portrayal in the book.

Actual so far I have found most of the Ultimates to be refreshing in many ways. They are not the same charaters as there MU counterparts. I really enjoy Ultimates and Ultimate X-Men.. Truthfully I don't get the two universies confused.

[Kirk G]

They should have the tagline:

The Defenders: Your Half Naked heroes.

You got that right.
I guess I should have guessed the Valkrie and Hell cat... But isn't anyone surprised by the Giantman in the background??? (Or was this announced before?)

[BlackKnight]

You got that right.
I guess I should have guessed the Valkrie and Hell cat... But isn't anyone surprised by the Giantman in the background??? (Or was this announced before?)

It has been fairly common knowledge for a while.

[StoneGold]

You got that right.
I guess I should have guessed the Valkrie and Hell cat... But isn't anyone surprised by the Giantman in the background??? (Or was this announced before?)
Not really, because A) the whole point of the team is Giant Man trying to redeem himself with a new team, and B) the pic is at least a couple of weeks old, so it's pretty much been discussed already.

[tricksterpup]

You got that right.
I guess I should have guessed the Valkrie and Hell cat... But isn't anyone surprised by the Giantman in the background??? (Or was this announced before?)
WE dont want to see Giant Man naked, even though his first foray into growth made him Naked.
Naw, I am actually all for this. This actually might be pretty cool read, but wow, a third version of NightHawk.
We will now have the
Ulitmate version
Supreme Powers version
and the Original.

[Jake V]

Looks pretty good. I will be picking up this series when it comes out. A team of rejects worse than those already on the Ultimates? Man oh man.
It's not a new series. They're just a team that will be part of the ongoing story in the Ultimates 2.

Guest stars.

[StoneGold]

WE dont want to see Giant Man naked, even though his first foray into growth made him Naked.
Naw, I am actually all for this. This actually might be pretty cool read, but wow, a third version of NightHawk.
We will now have the
Ulitmate version
Supreme Powers version
and the Original.
You're off by a version. You forgot the Squadron Supreme one. Even more, if you count Earth X.

[Indigo Al]

I think clown dude has been confirmed as Daimon Hellstrom, although why he'd be wearing a Kiss shirt and Insane Clown Posse makeup is beyond me. But hey, I guess if Ult. Val doesn't even see the need for underwear, it shouldn't surprise me too much.

It's clear that Millar wants to mock and rip apart the Defenders, and as a Defenders fan it should bug me, but if you think about it, nearly every character in Ultimates except for Cap and possibly Thor is a nasty joke on the 616 original.

Besides, even though they'll be losers, I get the feeling I'm gonna love this team!!!!

[StoneGold]

It's clear that Millar wants to mock and rip apart the Defenders, and as a Defenders fan it should bug me, but if you think about it, nearly every character in Ultimates except for Cap and possibly Thor is a nasty joke on the 616 original.


Man, you're going to be a happy camper when Giffen and DeMatties turn them into the Three Stooges, aren't you?

[Indigo Al]

Man, you're going to be a happy camper when Giffen and DeMatties turn them into the Three Stooges, aren't you?

Nope, because I personally don't even like the whole "Big Three" thing in the Defenders. Doc is fine, but I don't care if the Surfer or Hulk appear at all. I like my Defenders to be all odball, weird and random.

[tricksterpup]

See for me, I always felt that the main for the Defenders were
Hellcat
NightHawk
Valkrie
and Doc Strange
but I was a big fan of the original series and loved the later books were these guys were the main focus.

[Kirk G]

See for me, I always felt that the main for the Defenders were
Hellcat
NightHawk
Valkrie
and Doc Strange
but I was a big fan of the original series and loved the later books were these guys were the main focus.
Heck, I only bought them for the Sandy Plunket cover artwork!
(Did you know he lives in my town?)(line up for autographs and favors now...)

[Alan2099]

you know, if Giantman hadn't insited on having gloves with his costume there would have been enough cloth leftover to dress the rest of the heroes.

[tricksterpup]

Heck, I only bought them for the Sandy Plunket cover artwork!
(Did you know he lives in my town?)(line up for autographs and favors now...)
WHOO HOO i am first i line. :D

[thik_3rd]

has it been confirmed that the ultimate gaintman in the ultimate defenders is ultimate hank pym?
like an issue or 2 ago, he was toying around with becoming ultimate ant-man. so in the span of the next 3 issues (i think ultimate defenders debut in issue 6), he trys out being ultimate ant-man, abandons the idea, and develops his own new band of super heroes?
maybe its someone else, seeing as theres been a gang of people in the 616 who had access to pym particles and started changing their size, maybe its one of them.
probably not, just thinking out loud.

[Gaz]

I think clown dude has been confirmed as Daimon Hellstrom, although why he'd be wearing a Kiss shirt and Insane Clown Posse makeup is beyond me. But hey, I guess if Ult. Val doesn't even see the need for underwear, it shouldn't surprise me too much.

It's clear that Millar wants to mock and rip apart the Defenders, and as a Defenders fan it should bug me, but if you think about it, nearly every character in Ultimates except for Cap and possibly Thor is a nasty joke on the 616 original.

Besides, even though they'll be losers, I get the feeling I'm gonna love this team!!!!
Ultimate Jan, Tasha and Clint are fine. And Hank is pretty similar to his 616 version a while back.

[Red State Cap]

Ultimate Iron Man is probably the closest to his MU counterpart. Just trade "brain tumor" for "heart condition."
Ultimate Thor's personality has been completely altered -- he's not even close to his MU counterpart and I don't see how anyone can assert that he is.
Ultimate Cap is very much altered in some ways, and little altered in others -- for the better, IMPO. Millar kept the best traits and ditched the milquetoast image that Cap picked up over the years.
U-Wasp is close to her old shallow self.
U-Hank Pym is pretty close, but has been fleshed out by Millar in ways that were never done in the MU.
U-Black Widow is pretty darn close to her old MU self.
U-Hawkeye seems to be a totally different personality.
Ultimate Hulk is, well, a horny cannibal.

[Alan2099]

You actually think the hired thug personality is a better take on Cap? Sorry. I'll take the hero who's actually heroic rather than the one that insults other countries and takes cheap shots at people.

[static]

each character has the appearence of current popculture icons, the val is dressed like paris hilton if she was superpowered, cage looks like 50cent, Helstrom looks like Maryln Manson, black cat is a cute sexpot and giantman is the washout formerly famous celebrity that popup everywhere now a days. Black knight will probably look like ewen mcgregor in trainspotting and have a herion addiction:)

I like it already!!!!!!!!!!

[Gaz]

Ultimate Iron Man is probably the closest to his MU counterpart. Just trade "brain tumor" for "heart condition."
Ultimate Thor's personality has been completely altered -- he's not even close to his MU counterpart and I don't see how anyone can assert that he is.
Ultimate Cap is very much altered in some ways, and little altered in others -- for the better, IMPO. Millar kept the best traits and ditched the milquetoast image that Cap picked up over the years.
U-Wasp is close to her old shallow self.
U-Hank Pym is pretty close, but has been fleshed out by Millar in ways that were never done in the MU.
U-Black Widow is pretty darn close to her old MU self.
U-Hawkeye seems to be a totally different personality.
Ultimate Hulk is, well, a horny cannibal.
No-one thinks Ultimate Thor is the same, many people think he's better.
And Hawkeye isn't that different, MU Clint was always pretty faithful and devoted in his relationships, and his field persona seems similar too.

[thik_3rd]

No-one thinks Ultimate Thor is the same, many people think he's better.
And Hawkeye isn't that different, MU Clint was always pretty faithful and devoted in his relationships, and his field persona seems similar too.
who thinks he's better?
i really don't know many people who do...
and ultimate hawkeye barely has a persona yet...

[Alan2099]

Really most people I've actually talked to think he's worse.

[Beast]

I never liked the 616 Avengers all that much. I did read it due to Beast being a member, but it was never one of my top reads. So I much prefer the Ultimate versions of the characters. Especially Thor, I've never liked the 616 version of him at all. And feel that what failed in the 616 version, was successfully achieved with Ultimate Thor. :)

[Typo Lad]

Allegedly, they're going to be calling Kyle "DarkHawk" to prevent furhter Nighthawks popping into existance.

[Paradox]

Veja du. Did this thread accidentally get deleted and reposted, because I could SWEAR I've seen most of these posts before. :confused:

Unless it's just poster repetitivism, which is nothing new on this board. :)

[Tobias March]

Very cool I haven't seen Hellstorm much since Ellis had a crack at him in the 90's. Also nice to see Hellcat back in circulation (she's almost been gone as long as Night Nurse). Any chance the events in Ellis' Ultimate miniseries will spill over into the main title (people who've read it know what I mean)?

[Kid Seven]

I would just love it if Brian Hitch just kept on redesigning characters for the Ultimate universe. They just look...awesome. I loved his Captain Britain on the Ultimates cover, and I love these Defenders. They make even the 70's Legion of Super-Heroes blush.

They also make Emma Frost say "Amatuers." ;)

[Ned Leeds]

It's not a new series. They're just a team that will be part of the ongoing story in the Ultimates 2.

Guest stars.

Really? Well that sucks. Thought it was a new series. I pick up Ultimates anyway so I guess I will still get my fix. Thanks for the info.

[handOFfate]

Man, if I were the Ultimates, i'd keep those women on the main team no matter how much they sucked as heroes! I wonder if Ult.Iron Man bagged them. ;)

I find the Ultimate version of Thor a thoroughly more interesting character than 616 Thor. The two are nothing alike.
Ultimate Iron Man is very similar to 616 Iron Man.
I prefer the Ultimate version of Cap (who's tougher and less corny than his 616 counterpart).
Ultimate Hawkeye has no personality. I think Millar put him on the team to appease fans.
Ultimate Black Widow is similar to her 616 counterpart. I don't care about the character, so it really doesn't mean anything to me.
Ultimate Hank Pym is more of a bastard than 616 Hank. I mean, 616 Hank never went so far as to sic an army of ants on his wife, did he? I'm guessing that Millar kills him off just after he reforms.
Can't stand Ultimate Wasp. Prefer the 616 character. Same thing with Hulk.

[Ned Leeds]

I find the Ultimate version of Thor a thoroughly more interesting character than 616 Thor. The two are nothing alike.
Ultimate Iron Man is very similar to 616 Iron Man.
I prefer the Ultimate version of Cap (who's tougher and less corny than his 616 counterpart).
Ultimate Hawkeye has no personality. I think Millar put him on the team to appease fans.
Ultimate Black Widow is similar to her 616 counterpart. I don't care about the character, so it really doesn't mean anything to me.
Ultimate Hank Pym is more of a bastard than 616 Hank. I mean, 616 Hank never went so far as to sic an army of ants on his wife, did he? I'm guessing that Millar kills him off just after he reforms.
Can't stand Ultimate Wasp. Prefer the 616 character. Same thing with Hulk.

I agree with everything except the Hulk. I think the Ultimate Hulk/Bruce Banner is spot on.

[tricksterpup]

Hey, I love the new Hippie, possible Crazy Thor. I think he is great and I love the arrogance that he has. Favorite scene is where Capt shouts to him to stop someone and his reply was no. :) Priceless.

[Forefinger]

I haven't been able to read an Avenger title for about 15 years other than sporadic buying of crappy Captain America comics. Ultimates is great. All the characters are what they should have been from the start. Well, Millar's characters all seem to be sexual deviants, so maybe not in every way. Now though, I actually enjoy reading about these characters. The Ult Iron Man is great too. I'm waiting on an Ult Cap mini now.

[BobC]

What's wrong with sexual deviants?

[Ken Ashcroft]

I never liked the 616 Avengers all that much. I did read it due to Beast being a member, but it was never one of my top reads. So I much prefer the Ultimate versions of the characters. Especially Thor, I've never liked the 616 version of him at all. And feel that what failed in the 616 version, was successfully achieved with Ultimate Thor. :)

Sorry if this question has been asked before what what does the 616 version mean?

[T Rath]

Wow, I like Ult Hawkeye. While everyone else is larger than life, Hawkeye is a talented soldier that just wants to do his job and go home to his family. I think he offers a nice contrast to the rest of the team. Not that I dislike the rest of the team, it's just nice to have balance.

[Kirk G]

Sorry if this question has been asked before what what does the 616 version mean?

I just recently learned that in one of the Marvel Universe titles, we (the marvel characters) were informed that in all the known multi-universes.... cataloged and numbered, the Marvel Universe was number 616.... as opposed to all the other What Ifs... the Ultimate universe.... etc.

Therefore, the latest term for the Marvel Superheroes universe is now, "The 616 Universe".

Go figure! :p


I would have thought it would make more sense for it to be the 625 or 675 universe.... corresponding to the old address on Madison Avenue for Marvel comics when they were dreamed up by the Bullpen and Stan and Jack back in the 1960s, but I guess the writer wasn't that clever when the above story was penned. Sorry, I don't recall what book or which Watcher-type character labelled us... maybe someone else can help with that attribution. :rolleyes:

[Kirk G]

Wow, I like Ult Hawkeye. While everyone else is larger than life, Hawkeye is a talented soldier that just wants to do his job and go home to his family. I think he offers a nice contrast to the rest of the team. Not that I dislike the rest of the team, it's just nice to have balance.

I don't know. Having a governmental sponsored killer with a bow in the house is not my idea of leading a normal family life.... :D

[tricksterpup]

I don't know. Having a governmental sponsored killer with a bow in the house is not my idea of leading a normal family life.... :D
Wait, its the Chainsaw, right? ;)

[Ken Ashcroft]

Thanks for the info Kirk G.

I don't know if I can ever get used to calling the Marvel Universe the 616 Universe. To me the Marvel Universe will always be the Marvel Universe and the Ultimates Universe is ...... um, the Ultimates Universe. :p

[tricksterpup]

Thanks for the info Kirk G.

I don't know if I can ever get used to calling the Marvel Universe the 616 Universe. To me the Marvel Universe will always be the Marvel Universe and the Ultimates Universe is ...... um, the Ultimates Universe. :p
I am with you on that Ken, you are not the only one who feels the same.

[ragnarok_2012]

Is it just me, or does Ultimate Nighthawk look a bit like Baron Blood?

[DarkSoldier]

I just recently learned that in one of the Marvel Universe titles, we (the marvel characters) were informed that in all the known multi-universes.... cataloged and numbered, the Marvel Universe was number 616.... as opposed to all the other What Ifs... the Ultimate universe.... the Age of Appolcolips (sp) etc.Age of Apocalypse is an alternate timeline for 616.

I would have thought it would make more sense for it to be the 625 or 675 universe.... corresponding to the old address on Madison Avenue for Marvel comics when they were dreamed up by the Bullpen and Stan and Jack back in the 1960s, but I guess the writer wasn't that clever when the above story was penned. Sorry, I don't recall what book or which Watcher-type character labelled us... maybe someone else can help with that attribution. :rolleyes:
I believe it was Alan Moore, while he was writing Excalibur, who created the Captain Britain Corps, Otherworld, and the Omniverse, where every universe and parallel dimension are connected to every other universe and parallel dimension. He chose "616" to make the main MU sound like just another part of the grand scheme, as opposed to DC's "Earth-1."

[RonnieThunderbolts]

and that FF number one was from 1961, I've been told.

[Captain Shady]

Alternate timelines are alternate universes. The multiverse theory is there is a universe for every decision. Yes, so an infinite number of alternate timelines and universes.

[The Fury]

Age of Apocalypse is an alternate timeline for 616.


I believe it was Alan Moore, while he was writing Excalibur, who created the Captain Britain Corps, Otherworld, and the Omniverse, where every universe and parallel dimension are connected to every other universe and parallel dimension. He chose "616" to make the main MU sound like just another part of the grand scheme, as opposed to DC's "Earth-1."
It was Alan Moore that came up with it, and I think it was due to the thing Ronnie said above, he did it for his Captain Brtiain work (not Excalibur, he's never writen that).

And I think the AoA's number was 626. I think.

as opposed to all the other What Ifs... the Ultimate universe.... etc.
The What if's do have numbers but the UU, does not, it is completely separate from the MU Multiverse.

[Paradox]

tricksterpup makes me reach for a napkin:

I am with you on that Ken, you are not the only one who feels the same.

**spittle flies**

NO HE CERTAINLY IS NOT!!!

I really am quite rabid and pathological in my hatred for the use of that term. ;)

[Forefinger]

What's wrong with sexual deviants?
Nothing. After reading too much of Millar's work, it seems like a plot device that he uses too much. I'm just glad that Ult. CA doesn't have a compulsion to rape everyone like Millar's parody in The Authority did.

[Kirk G]

**spittle flies**

NO HE CERTAINLY IS NOT!!!

I really am quite rabid and pathological in my hatred for the use of that term. ;)
Yeah, I agree, guys.... :(