OT: Episode titles/descriptions for the rest of JLU Season 2 (spoilers)

[MJC]

http://wf.toonzone.net/WF/jlu/guides/s02.php

:eek:

[Crinos]

SPOILERS



So Luthor does go bad again. damn.

Oh, and go Felix Faust.

[yeoman]

Waiit, 50 years in the future...

Let us take this moment and pray for the appearence of Terry.

[Dark Soul # 7]

Dude, this is gonna be awesome!

[SAMAS]

*reads*

Holyyy Sh-:eek:

[MegaRaptor Scribe]

Oh, and go Felix Faust.

Mmm. Karmic payback.

anyway, anything can sound awesome. In idea form.

[Tages]

.................holy crap..................

Cadmus manages to incapacitate most of the league? What the hell, do they have the Pre-Crisis Legion of Darkness on their payroll?

[OverMaster]

SPOILERS



So Luthor does go bad again. damn.



I actually was expecting it. Not hoping for it, mind you-- but I was convinced it was unavoidable. Luthor is too much of a world-known villainous icon to stay reformed for long.

[Scorpion13]

Yeah. I am looking forward to the upcoming, Karmic Bitch Slap tm.

And Captain Marvel! Woooooooo!!!

[Archyduke]

So, when are these episodes supposed to air? A lot of them seem pretty interesting to me, but I can predict a couple people around here suffering paroxysms about some of the Cadmus-related synopses....

[Sam]

Waiit, 50 years in the future...

Let us take this moment and pray for the appearence of Terry.

They've already confirmed it's another BATMAN BEYOND episode, yeah.

[lonewolf23k]

I actually was expecting it. Not hoping for it, mind you-- but I was convinced it was unavoidable. Luthor is too much of a world-known villainous icon to stay reformed for long.

Likewise. If nothing else, the fact that Luthor apparantly convinced members of the audiance that he had reformed just confirms his status as a master of manipulation to me.

But am I surprised he turned out to still be an evil bastard? Nnnnooope.... ;)

[MJC]

So, when are these episodes supposed to air? A lot of them seem pretty interesting to me, but I can predict a couple people around here suffering paroxysms about some of the Cadmus-related synopses....

They don't have airdates yet, outside of "this year". :(

Basically, whenever the hell CN feels like airing them. Could be May, could be September.

Considering they just ended a run of new episodes a few weeks ago, it could be a while. But who knows.

[OverMaster]

Oh, and are you too thinking that Question will be Superman's "fallen comrade"?

[Crinos]

Oh, and are you too thinking that Question will be Superman's "fallen comrade"?

Maybe it will be the flash...

[MegaRaptor Scribe]

well, I don't think it's that black and white, but the fact that Luthor waxed philosophical with Amazo doesn't make him a good guy.

[OverMaster]

Maybe it will be the flash...

He is my candidate number two. But considering how Question will be the one doing a questionable (pun intended) course of action with the Huntress, and then he will be the one nosing into Cadmus business (with him being one of the most vulnerable Leaguers), I would say he will be the one to fall.

[Captain Sarcasm]

Maybe it will be the flash...

Well, with a title called 'Flashpoint...'

Although most likely it'll be GL. I've heard insiders talking about killing him. Perhaps he'll die saving the Flash or something.

[Chuckg]

OK, my immediate reactions:

* So Luthor /is/ still a villain. How thoroughly wasteful and unexciting.

* Cadmus incapacitated most of the League -- and kept them that way for longer than 22 minutes? Wow, then that makes them more powerful than the entire fucking Thanagarian invasion fleet -- who had 5 years of prep time, and detailed inside knowledge about everything, /and/ an enormously higher tech base than Earth, /and/ were only facing the JLA, not the JLU.

/And/ had a strategic surprise advantage that Cadmus doesn't.

And even they didn't manage it for longer than, umm, 22 minutes.

* The final episode is 50 years in the future? The fug? Either the arc will end with a total time reboot... which is 'Voyager'-level in its wastefulness of events... or they're going for the ultimate sequel-proof ending, the one that makes it absolutely impossible to do *any* cartoons with this thing later, be it series continuation or one-shot. Which means the whole vibe of 'deliberately trying to kill off the show' just, umm, vibed a lot stronger.

* So, Cadmus takes out the entire JLA and the supervillains run riot? Gee, who couldn't see /that/ one coming?

... Cadmus, apparently. So much for 'We're the good guys!', eh, Amanda? You're either out-and-out villains or out-and-out morons. If the first, see prior complaint re: "too much Wildstorm". If the second, see prior complaint re: "too much stupid".

* And this especially leaped out at me...


Episode #22 - Question Authority

The Question discovers a secret that threatens to shake the very foundations of the Justice League.


... WHAT? WHAT 'DARK SECRET' DOES HE DISCOVER? WHAT THE HELL 'DARK SECRET' *IS* THERE TO DISCOVER, WITHOUT JAMMING IN SOME MASSIVE RETCON?

Is J'onn going to mindcontrol the President or something? Will Hawkgirl be revealed to have been working for Thanagar all along, with her entire exile a set-up?(*) Will the GL Corps be revealed to be agents for Grinsy the yellow fear monster, and the entire 'Guardians of the Universe' thing a cover for a cosmic domination plot? Come on!

You know all that griping I did about too much Iron Age in the Animated DCU? All that griping you said was bogus?

... the advance promo for episode 22 alone is a big honkin' "Nuh-uh" to said accusations of bogosity.



Edit -- ah yes, and then there's the spoiler of "And this episode... somebody DIES!"

... right. Like /that's/ never been done before in comics as a cheap lets-get-people-watching stunt or anything. No sir.

*yawn*

Bored now.




(*) And I notice that episode 21 specifically mentioned Shayera leading some teammates into a trap. Is it a trap she didn't know about... or a trap she /did/ know about? The mere fact that I even have to *ask* this question is enough to make me go "They have chosen the quick and easy path, and forever will it dominate their destiny."

[Rockman]

I thought the tptb said that batman beyond was possiable future but not the future that curtain to happen? But then again it could go a different way then batman beyond universe,but have the same element that still the same.

I can't wait for the episodes.

[Chuckg]

Another question -- so, the entire JLU got beat down (cough cough), and the villains are running amok?

Where's Dr. Fate and the 'Animated DCU Defenders'? (Which is another way of saying "And what excuse did they dream up this time to avoid having Amazo settle the problem by blinking?")

For that matter, if Aquaman's one of the casualties, where's Queen Mera with the entire Atlantean army? If the US govt slams the King of the Seas into the hurt locker, you'd think his kingdom would get upset...

[yeoman]

* The final episode is 50 years in the future? The fug? Either the arc will end with a total time reboot... which is 'Voyager'-level in its wastefulness of events... or they're going for the ultimate sequel-proof ending, the one that makes it absolutely impossible to do *any* cartoons with this thing later, be it series continuation or one-shot. Which means the whole vibe of 'deliberately trying to kill off the show' just, umm, vibed a lot stronger.


I will not hear you speak poorly of an episode that may contain Terry. [/Homer]

[Chuckg]

Try to remember that the last time Terry appeared on this show, it was to get massacred by DeeDee. Don't kid yourself into thinking that because they might use him, they'll respect him.

[Chuckg]

I'd say something in response to Chuckg's criticisms, but then I remembered that I'd have more luck winning a tug-o-war with the Blob then to get Chuck to change his mind when he's decided something sucks.

And frankly, I have better ways to waste my time then that. *walks away*

Ladies and gentlemen -- behold, the drive-by flaming.

[Kevinroc]

Considering that they are already confirmed at having a season 3, I don't see how they plan on screwing things over so they can't do another season.

I also question how long "The Conspiracy" has been plotting the fall of the Justice League. Sure, they claimed since "A Better World", but Doomsday already existed at that point and if he really was created by Cadmus, these people have been plotting the fall of the Justice League for quite awhile now. Makes one wonder if they have been plotting to take out the super hero community since super heroes first came out into the open.

But I REFUSE to bash the Suicide Squad episode at this point. That episode was written by Darwyn Cooke.

[yeoman]

Try to remember that the last time Terry appeared on this show, it was to get massacred by DeeDee. Don't kid yourself into thinking that because they might use him, they'll respect him.

DeeDee with a laser whip that puts the hurt on Green Lanterns and Madrox-like multiplying powers. Getting your ass kicked by that isn't a bad showing.

[lonewolf23k]

Considering that they are already confirmed at having a season 3, I don't see how they plan on screwing things over so they can't do another season.

I also question how long "The Conspiracy" has been plotting the fall of the Justice League. Sure, they claimed since "A Better World", but Doomsday already existed at that point and if he really was created by Cadmus, these people have been plotting the fall of the Justice League for quite awhile now. Makes one wonder if they have been plotting to take out the super hero community since super heroes first came out into the open.

But I REFUSE to bash the Suicide Squad episode at this point. That episode was written by Darwyn Cooke.

Well, we've had Volcana since back during the Animated Superman series, for starters. My guess is that "A Better World" just kicked the program into high speed.

[lonewolf23k]

Ladies and gentlemen -- behold, the drive-by flaming.

My apologies. It was my intention to avoid a fight, but apparantly I botched it and flamed instead.

Edit: So, back on topic, here are the points I wanted to make instead.

-Luthor still being a badguy: They telegraphed it at the end of "A Better World, part 2". If they hadn't used it, I would've called it bad writing.

-Cadmus turning out to have Big Guns capable of taking out the Justice League: Haven't they foreshadowed that point ENOUGH with Galatea, Doomsday and the Ultimen, just for starters?

-The Epilogue: As was pointed out, they've confirmed a third season to JLU. Which means that the story's not over.

[Chuckg]

> Luthor still being a badguy: They telegraphed it at the end of "A Better
> World, part 2".

And then they wrote in that awesome sequence during "The Return", as well as the cameo at Superman's funeral in "Hereafter", both of which were /after/ "A Better World".

Villains, we already had plenty of. Not-villain Luthors, much scarcer.

[Chuckg]

> Cadmus turning out to have Big Guns capable of taking out the
> Justice League: Haven't they foreshadowed that point ENOUGH with
> Galatea, Doomsday and the Ultimen, just for starters?

... given that Galatea was getting arsewhupped by her less experienced counterpart, the Ultimen barely lived long enough to stand up (and were being humiliatingly curbstomped by a few JLA'ers), and even Doomsday's been pounded flat twice... no, I'd say it wasn't foreshadowed /at all/. The only thing that /has/ been foreshadowed is that so far, Cadmus is as stupid as it is evil.

> The Epilogue: As was pointed out, they've confirmed a third season
> to JLU. Which means that the story's not over.

1) I'll believe it when I see it, and 2) even if it's true, that plus the '50 years later' and 'everybody's toast' ending only suggests some type of Voyager-like, JR-Ewing-like, "let's reboot the entire season so it never happened!" or somesuch.

:rolleyes:

Oh. Please. How cheesy can you get?

[lonewolf23k]

> Luthor still being a badguy: They telegraphed it at the end of "A Better
> World, part 2".

And then they wrote in that awesome sequence during "The Return", as well as the cameo at Superman's funeral in "Hereafter", both of which were /after/ "A Better World".

Villains, we already had plenty of. Not-villain Luthors, much scarcer.

-The Return: Luthor was saving his own ass first and foremost. Saving the world was a by-product. Although I admit, I liked his speech too. Although I noticed "to make the world a better place" wasn't a part of it.

-Hereafter: I can buy Luthor coming to Superman's funeral to pay his respects to an adversary. Doesn't mean I think he's a noble character.

Do I think that Animated Lex Luthor is a complex character? Sure I do. Timm's done great working giving three-dimensional complexity to otherwise flat characters like Scarecrow, Mr Freeze and Brainiac. Animated Lex Luthor is just one such complex character.

Do I think he's anything less then an utter bastard? Hell No.

[Chuckg]

> The Return: Luthor was saving his own ass first and
> foremost. Saving the world was a by-product. Although I
> admit, I liked his speech too. Although I noticed "to make
> the world a better place" wasn't a part of it.

That's why I said 'not-villain', not 'hero'.

The main point of that speech, though, was Luthor coming to terms with his own mortality in a manner that didn't involve ragey vengeance and/or taking out his hatred on other people. Which is a big change from how he used to be on the show.

And BTW, note, Amazo not only doesn't trust Luthor vs. a damn, but is telepathic. It's really beyond the bounds of credibility to suggest that Luthor was anything less than totally sincere in that scene.

Either that, or it's bad retcon that pays no attention to logic. Which I consider sadly likely.

> Hereafter: I can buy Luthor coming to Superman's funeral to
> pay his respects to an adversary.

The part where he hugged Lois? And comforted her in her grief? And admitted that 'I miss him too?'

Sure, that could all be a lie. But making it a lie would retroactively suck all the goodness out of a great scene and make it nothing special, just another stereotypical villain moment. I consider that wasteful bordering on sinful.

> Do I think that Animated Lex Luthor is a complex character?
> Sure I do.

I don't see *how*, seeing as how returning Luthor to villainy requires /stripping away/ every moment of increasing complexity since the middle of JLA season 2...

> Timm's done great working giving three-dimensional
> complexity to otherwise flat characters like Scarecrow, Mr
> Freeze and Brainiac. Animated Lex Luthor is just one such
> complex character.

Not if he done gone back to being a villain for absolutely no reason given.

[snip]
> Do I think he's anything less then an utter bastard?
> Hell No.

So, he acts like a bastard because he's a bastard, bastard he always was, bastard he always will be?

This is about as 'complex' as counting by integers.

[lonewolf23k]

...Well, I've got nothing to top that argument, so you win.

*hands over the victory point to Chuck*

[Sam]

I also question how long "The Conspiracy" has been plotting the fall of the Justice League. Sure, they claimed since "A Better World", but Doomsday already existed at that point and if he really was created by Cadmus, these people have been plotting the fall of the Justice League for quite awhile now. Makes one wonder if they have been plotting to take out the super hero community since super heroes first came out into the open.

According to General Harcastle in "Fearful Symmetry," the government began active countermeasures against Superman after he was brainwashed by Darkseid and almost conquered the Earth back at the end of the original Superman series.

But I REFUSE to bash the Suicide Squad episode at this point. That episode was written by Darwyn Cooke.

Frankly, all of these episodes look badass. But then, I'm not on the, "Oh sweet merciful Zeus! It's... DARK SUBJECT MATTER! The sky is falling!" bandwagon.

I'm especially pleased that they're making Rorsc-- er, the Question a bigger character.

[Sam]

And BTW, note, Amazo not only doesn't trust Luthor vs. a damn, but is telepathic. It's really beyond the bounds of credibility to suggest that Luthor was anything less than totally sincere in that scene.

Go watch it again. Not a single thing Luthor says in that whole speech is anything that at all conflicts with his motives even at his most villainous. In fact, if you watch it knowing he's still a bastard, it actually works equally well as the reasoning behind much of Luthor's villainy. Especially the "staying in the game" bit.

The part where he hugged Lois? And comforted her in her grief? And admitted that 'I miss him too?'

Sure, that could all be a lie. But making it a lie would retroactively suck all the goodness out of a great scene and make it nothing special, just another stereotypical villain moment. I consider that wasteful bordering on sinful.

Or alternately, he wasn't faking, but was still the same old Lex.

Lex always liked Lois. And quite a few interesting Lex Luthor stories have played with the idea that Luthor enjoys a strange sort of symbiotic relationship with Superman, and would miss him terribly if he ever actually succeeded in killing him. (Elliot Maggin, in particular, played with this idea.)

I don't see *how*, seeing as how returning Luthor to villainy requires /stripping away/ every moment of increasing complexity since the middle of JLA season 2...

Not if he really meant it.

Not if he done gone back to being a villain for absolutely no reason given.

Dude, you're the first person I've seen even say they actually thought Luthor reformed, out of about four boards, one of which is the main messageboard of one of the show's head writers.

They weren't going for "Luthor reformed." They were going for "complex villain." He never stopped being a bastard. He also meant everything he said to Amazo and Lois.

So, he acts like a bastard because he's a bastard, bastard he always was, bastard he always will be?

No, he acts like a bastard because... well, he explained to Amazo better than I could explain it to you.

[lonewolf23k]

Darnit, Sam... You actually found just the arguments I was looking for earlier, but couldn't find. I take back every bad thing I ever said about you...

*Salutes*

[Chuckg]

Is Sam trying to score cheap points again by replying to me when he knows damn well I have him on my Ignore List... but hoping that the board will mistake my lack of response (because he's on ignore) for lack of having an argument?

Judging from LoneWolf's response, apparently yes.

*shrugs*

Ah well. Still not peeking. No baiting today, Sam.

[Sam]

Nah, Chuck. I just argue when I see BS. It's an instinct. I could really care less whether or not you're ignoring the response or not.

(Case in point -- you won't see this! Fortunately for me, I still don't care.)

[Predator]

Well, now I want to see all these episodes RIGHT NOW!!!

*ahem*

I'm thinking that the secret the Question discovers is Batman working with Cadmus to take the League down. Judging from Bruce's reactions at the end of Doomsday Sanction, I have the feeling he will do something royally stupid.

Has it been announced who will be on the Suicide Squad? I know Deadshot and Captain Boomerang, but who could the other three be?

What could be the weapon(s) to take the League out? Doomsday? A controlled Amazo? The Justice Lords? Should be interesting to see.

And who would be left to defeat Cadmus after the League is down? The JSA? Ok, maybe not. ;)

[Chuckg]

I'm thinking that the secret the Question discovers is Batman working with Cadmus to take the League down. Judging from Bruce's reactions at the end of Doomsday Sanction, I have the feeling he will do something royally stupid.

..................................

"Royally Stupid" would indeed be a very apt description of such a plot.

[Kevinroc]

According to General Harcastle in "Fearful Symmetry," the government began active countermeasures against Superman after he was brainwashed by Darkseid and almost conquered the Earth back at the end of the original Superman series.

But Volcana already existed at that point. Of course, they could have stepped up after the end of the Superman series and created Doomsday.


Frankly, all of these episodes look badass. But then, I'm not on the, "Oh sweet merciful Zeus! It's... DARK SUBJECT MATTER! The sky is falling!" bandwagon.

I'm especially pleased that they're making Rorsc-- er, the Question a bigger character.

The production team loves The Question. Not that I can blame them. He's a fun character.

I actually don't mind darker stories at all. Nor do I mind "Vast Government Conspiracy" stories (IF they are done well). So far, I'm enjoying JLU and am looking forward to the upcoming episodes.

But I do think people should calm down over the Suicide Squad episode in particular. Mostly because of Darwyn Cooke.

The "Vast Government Conspiracy" has also had massive prep time. And doesn't Hamilton know how to build a Phantom Zone projector? Hhmm...

[lonewolf23k]

..................................

"Royally Stupid" would indeed be a very apt description of such a plot.

Unless it's something like "Tower of Babel", where Cadmus somehow stole Batman's "just in case of evil corruption" plans...

[Chuckg]

Unless it's something like "Tower of Babel", where Cadmus somehow stole Batman's "just in case of evil corruption" plans...

Didn't they already *use* "Tower of Babel" -- in "Starcrossed"?

One 'a League member betrays them! how will the team survive?' arc per show is enough, don't you think? Let's not overuse the shtick.

[Sam]

What could be the weapon(s) to take the League out? Doomsday? A controlled Amazo? The Justice Lords? Should be interesting to see.

Well, they did take away that alien Von Neumann machine doomsday weapon that nearly beat the entire League. They've got nuclear missiles made with kryptonite. They've probably got access to the Phantom Zone, so that's Doomsday and the Phantom Zone criminals. Like you say, they likely have access to the Justice Lords -- we never did find out where they were taken after they lost their powers. They're in the process of trying to get their hands on Ares' faux-Destroyer armor. And, of course, an adult Supergirl clone. A pretty much limitless supply of Ultimen.

And if Luthor's involved with Cadmus, just picture all the other goodies that gives them access to.

[RagingDemon]

Try to remember that the last time Terry appeared on this show, it was to get massacred by DeeDee. Don't kid yourself into thinking that because they might use him, they'll respect him.

I totally agree with you. This thread gives some decent explanations on the matter.

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=45654

Anyway I hope they give a good showing for Terry in this new episode to make up for his very poor showing against Dee Dee :evilangry

[Chuckg]

Question -- upon looking at the spoiler page again, it's not an official page, it's a fan page.

I know Toonzone.net believes these guys, but has anyone confirmed their spoilers?

... becuase I admit that I would *really really* love them all to be wrong.

[SAMAS]

OK, my immediate reactions:

* So Luthor /is/ still a villain. How thoroughly wasteful and unexciting.

You should've seen it coming since Fearful Symmetry. It's been theorized that Luthor's been behind Cadmus since then.

Remember, it's only a plot. It could just be one of his more immediate Anti-League plans.

* Cadmus incapacitated most of the League -- and kept them that way for longer than 22 minutes? Wow, then that makes them more powerful than the entire fucking Thanagarian invasion fleet -- who had 5 years of prep time, and detailed inside knowledge about everything, /and/ an enormously higher tech base than Earth, /and/ were only facing the JLA, not the JLU.

/And/ had a strategic surprise advantage that Cadmus doesn't.

I'm not so sure about that. That might be the big secret behind Question Authority and Epilogue, if you know what I mean.

And even they didn't manage it for longer than, umm, 22 minutes.

Partially because Hawkgirl grew her consience back.

* The final episode is 50 years in the future? The fug? Either the arc will end with a total time reboot... which is 'Voyager'-level in its wastefulness of events... or they're going for the ultimate sequel-proof ending, the one that makes it absolutely impossible to do *any* cartoons with this thing later, be it series continuation or one-shot. Which means the whole vibe of 'deliberately trying to kill off the show' just, umm, vibed a lot stronger.

No, it means that something that happened with Batman in the previous episodes comes back 50 years later to bite him in the ass. I think Batman might side with Cadmus at least partially before this is over.

At worst, it's Bruce's ending. Re-read the synopsis:

50 years in the future, the history of the Justice League is the key to Batman’s darkest secret –and his final destiny.

If you think about it, 80% of the Timmverse has been Batman's story. Even in the two related series that don't feature him, he's appeared in them. I think that's why the episode was made, possibly before they knew they had two more seasons coming up.

* So, Cadmus takes out the entire JLA and the supervillains run riot? Gee, who couldn't see /that/ one coming?

... Cadmus, apparently. So much for 'We're the good guys!', eh, Amanda? You're either out-and-out villains or out-and-out morons. If the first, see prior complaint re: "too much Wildstorm". If the second, see prior complaint re: "too much stupid".

Wouldn't be the first political/military blunder in history, real or fictional. Won't be the last. It could just be that the government underestimated the Supervillian threat because they weren't as visible or organized as the League was(thanks to the actions of the heroes in the League, of course). Or maybe they just underestimated the League's strength, and the fight leaves them too weak to contain the supervillians as well.

* And this especially leaped out at me...



... WHAT? WHAT 'DARK SECRET' DOES HE DISCOVER? WHAT THE HELL 'DARK SECRET' *IS* THERE TO DISCOVER, WITHOUT JAMMING IN SOME MASSIVE RETCON?

Is J'onn going to mindcontrol the President or something? Will Hawkgirl be revealed to have been working for Thanagar all along, with her entire exile a set-up?(*) Will the GL Corps be revealed to be agents for Grinsy the yellow fear monster, and the entire 'Guardians of the Universe' thing a cover for a cosmic domination plot? Come on!

You know all that griping I did about too much Iron Age in the Animated DCU? All that griping you said was bogus?

... the advance promo for episode 22 alone is a big honkin' "Nuh-uh" to said accusations of bogosity.

Watch 'Doomsday Sanction,' then reread the 'Epilogue' blurb.

Edit -- ah yes, and then there's the spoiler of "And this episode... somebody DIES!"

... right. Like /that's/ never been done before in comics as a cheap lets-get-people-watching stunt or anything. No sir.

*yawn*

Bored now.

Dude, that's cynical, even for you.

(*) And I notice that episode 21 specifically mentioned Shayera leading some teammates into a trap. Is it a trap she didn't know about... or a trap she /did/ know about? The mere fact that I even have to *ask* this question is enough to make me go "They have chosen the quick and easy path, and forever will it dominate their destiny."

The fact that you even *asked* this question makes me think you should take a break from comics until these episodes air. You seem to have too much Identity Crisis/War Games/Dissassembled/etc... coloring your perception.

Call me an optimist(and I'll call you a pessimist), but so far, Timm hasn't proven to make the same kind of mistakes that DC and Marvel have. Even if you could arguably say that his present work isn't as good as his earlier stuff, that's a sheer drop in quality I don't think he's capable of making without mild-altering drugs invovled.

[Kevinroc]

Well, they did take away that alien Von Neumann machine doomsday weapon that nearly beat the entire League. They've got nuclear missiles made with kryptonite. They've probably got access to the Phantom Zone, so that's Doomsday and the Phantom Zone criminals. Like you say, they likely have access to the Justice Lords -- we never did find out where they were taken after they lost their powers. They're in the process of trying to get their hands on Ares' faux-Destroyer armor. And, of course, an adult Supergirl clone. A pretty much limitless supply of Ultimen.

And if Luthor's involved with Cadmus, just picture all the other goodies that gives them access to.

Another thought occurs to me. What if they have a mole within The League? If I were to take a guess as to who, I would guess Captain Atom.

Purely speculation on my part but I think it makes some degree of sense. Having a mole would make it easier to get the Suicide Squad on board. As far as guessing Captain Atom, he's a pretty powerful character and is a soldier (I know GL is supposed to be a soldier in JL continuity but he has spent far too much time with the GLC).

Pure speculation on my part, though.

[Chuckg]

> Call me an optimist(and I'll call you a pessimist), but so far, Timm hasn't
> proven to make the same kind of mistakes that DC and Marvel have.

If these spoilers are true... then they just did.

[GremlinClr]

Yea, I'm thinking the last 4 eps will be a "Tower of Babel" type thing with Cadmus using Bruces failsafes instead of Ras al Ghul. Especially after the way he was acting at the end of "Doomsday Sanction".

And Chuck I know the internet was invented for fanboys to complain but your taking jumping to conclusions to an artform.

I think I'll wait for the actual eps before I start to yell about the sky falling. :D

[Chuckg]

And Chuck I know the internet was invented for fanboys to complain but your taking jumping to conclusions to an artform.

You know, if I had a nickel for every time somebody's told me that and was wrong, I could buy a coffee at Starbucks.

Twice.

So far, my lifetime batting average re: predicting comic book disaster is around .850.

That's good enough odds for me.

[SAMAS]

I still say you should prepare for a third. :D

[MJC]

BTW, there WILL be a third season of JLU. But it wasn't renewed until recently, so the season was planned out with the idea that this was very possibly the last season of JLU, and the DCAU as well. I know this b/c Bruce Timm posts at Toonzone from time to time.

[Gaz]

You know, if I had a nickel for every time somebody's told me that and was wrong, I could buy a coffee at Starbucks.

Twice.

So far, my lifetime batting average re: predicting comic book disaster is around .850.

That's good enough odds for me.
Based off of deliberately cryptic and incomplete one line synopses?

[Chuckg]

Based off of deliberately cryptic and incomplete one line synopses?

Diamond Distributors advance solicits ain't much better, but we managed.

[Gaz]

Diamond Distributors advance solicits ain't much better, but we managed.
Let's just say I'm an optimist and you're a realist. That suit you?

[Z-man]

Waiit, 50 years in the future...

Let us take this moment and pray for the appearence of Terry.

comicscontinuum.com has already confirmed it.

[Chuckg]

comicscontinuum.com has already confirmed it.

Confirmed what? /All/ the spoilers? Or just Terry's appearance?

[lonewolf23k]

Yea, I'm thinking the last 4 eps will be a "Tower of Babel" type thing with Cadmus using Bruces failsafes instead of Ras al Ghul. Especially after the way he was acting at the end of "Doomsday Sanction".

So, I'm guessing one of the ongoing subplots for Season 3 will be having Batman regain the Justice League's trust...

[LtMarvel]

Wow. This is a lot of moaning and complaining about something you haven't seen yet. Sounds just like the fanboys between the announcement and debut of Batman Beyond.

[Sanagi]

I trust the JLU creators to do it right. They've done an amazing job so far. Taking that into account, these episode descriptions sound pretty cool.

I still want to see a good GL corps episode, though. The ones so far have been weaker episodes.

[The Real Nemo]

Go watch it again. Not a single thing Luthor says in that whole speech is anything that at all conflicts with his motives even at his most villainous. In fact, if you watch it knowing he's still a bastard, it actually works equally well as the reasoning behind much of Luthor's villainy. Especially the "staying in the game" bit.



Or alternately, he wasn't faking, but was still the same old Lex.

Lex always liked Lois. And quite a few interesting Lex Luthor stories have played with the idea that Luthor enjoys a strange sort of symbiotic relationship with Superman, and would miss him terribly if he ever actually succeeded in killing him. (Elliot Maggin, in particular, played with this idea.)



Not if he really meant it.



Dude, you're the first person I've seen even say they actually thought Luthor reformed, out of about four boards, one of which is the main messageboard of one of the show's head writers.

They weren't going for "Luthor reformed." They were going for "complex villain." He never stopped being a bastard. He also meant everything he said to Amazo and Lois.



No, he acts like a bastard because... well, he explained to Amazo better than I could explain it to you.
That's what it looked like to me...

[cactusmaac]

Wow. This is a lot of moaning and complaining about something you haven't seen yet. Sounds just like the fanboys between the announcement and debut of Batman Beyond.

Which is a pretty weird response since it's not like you can point to anything Timm's done and say, "Yeah that really sucked, that was a War Games\IC\Disassembled level of suckage."

Anyway I wouldn't be surprised if Captain Atom was the one marked for death.

[GremlinClr]

Which is a pretty weird response since it's not like you can point to anything Timm's done and say, "Yeah that really sucked, that was a War Games\IC\Disassembled level of suckage."

Anyway I wouldn't be surprised if Captain Atom was the one marked for death.

Oh, good job! The writers are gonna read this and and change it so Hawk dies! Way to screw the Hawk and Dove fans! :D

(if you don't get the reference than just chaulk it up to just woke up-no coffee syndrom.) :)

[Adaptoid]

Who's bright idea was it to include the lame "Captain Marvel" character into the Justice League? This reminds me of John Byrne's ressurection of obscure characters in the She-Hulk comic books or Kurt Busiek's use of obscure villains to create the Thunderbolts.

[Chuckg]

Not only that, but according to comicscontinuum, Captain Marvel's appearance will be for a slobbernocker with Superman.

Great. Isn't the 'Marvel Misunderstanding' getting old?

[Captain Sarcasm]

Not only that, but according to comicscontinuum, Captain Marvel's appearance will be for a slobbernocker with Superman.

Great. Isn't the 'Marvel Misunderstanding' getting old?

Speaking as a member of the show's core audience of people that *don't* have more than a basic knowledge of comic books but have been following the cartoons for years - No.

[Greg Hatcher]

Speculate all you want but do it politely. I'm not singling anyone out and I realize this thread originated on Rumbles, but we're not there now. I've had several complaints about this thread already today and if I get any more I'm shutting it down.

[davids]

Every one asumes it might be he death of the Flash. I think the lost of a JLU member that makes superman go after the goverment outfit will be the lost of supergirl. only the lost of Lois or his parents would send him quicker over the edge!

[Gorthaur]

But Volcana already existed at that point. Of course, they could have stepped up after the end of the Superman series and created Doomsday.And of course, the reason that Superman's invasion of Earth was stopped in "Legacy" was that Luthor and the military had been devising countermeasures against Superman.

[SAMAS]

Speaking as a member of the show's core audience of people that *don't* have more than a basic knowledge of comic books but have been following the cartoons for years - No.

In fact, I think it's only the second time it's even happened in the Timmverse, not counting the Static Shock/BB crossover.

[Captain Sarcasm]

In fact, I think it's only the second time it's even happened in the Timmverse, not counting the Static Shock/BB crossover.

Yeah, and those guys weren't nearly as powerful as Superman and Captain Marvel are. It'll be a completely different cinematic experience. I don't think Superman has fought another Kryptonian-like being in the JL/JLU yet.

[RagingDemon]

I'm going to speculate here.

Based on the JLU episode where they go into the future and they meet up with Terry, we learn that there was a big "battle" or "event" that caused most of the Justice League to DIE.

I think that what could happen is the events as predicted in that future episode, and Batman ofcourse was one of two people in the league who could remember that mission.

And so Batman decides to go 50 years into the future again to try to find some way to alter time and save his friends from that (JLU Fatal) event.

Ahh well, that's my hypothesis :D

[Captain Sarcasm]

I'm going to speculate here.

Based on the JLU episode where they go into the future and they meet up with Terry, we learn that there was a big "battle" or "event" that caused most of the Justice League to DIE.

I think that what could happen is the events as predicted in that future episode, and Batman ofcourse was one of two people in the league who could remember that mission.

And so Batman decides to go 50 years into the future again to try to find some way to alter time and save his friends from that (JLU Fatal) event.

Ahh well, that's my hypothesis :D

Nah, that was an alternate timeline, caused by the interference of Cronos. In the real timeline, the JLU survived well into the Batman Beyond years.

[RagingDemon]

Nah, that was an alternate timeline, caused by the interference of Cronos. In the real timeline, the JLU survived well into the Batman Beyond years.

ohh ok...doh. There goes that theory, haha :p