Revolution to be backwards compatible

[Mike Pothier]

Oh, and wifi ready right out of the box.

http://cube.ign.com/articles/594/594935p1.html?fromint=1

No word yet on a hard drive. Perhaps they're saving that for E3?

[Headhunter]

It would be a PR blow to lose backwards compatibility, but does Nintendo really need it? Most of the Big N's customers are pretty hardcore to begin with, and already own the Cube.

Assuming 1 more price cut comes before the Revolution launches, if someone isn't willing to buy it at $50-60 US, I don't think they care. Better to launch the Revolution even cheaper (looking like 1/2 the PS3/Xenon cost so far, could be even less) and really undercut the competition for user share.

[Expletive Deleted]

But will it be televised?

[blackdragon6]

But will it be televised?lol funny..........

[ShinjiGohan]

For the HD, I've heard that microsoft is disappointed in the lack of actual use of the HD in their XBox system. And as a result, they're leaning towards the use of some flash memory instead.

[ShadowWarrior]

It's a shame that it'll come out in 2006. :(

We're gonna have to wait for a year.

[Mike Pothier]

It's a shame that it'll come out in 2006. :(

We're gonna have to wait for a year.

I actually want to wait. Give Nintendo time to work on some great launch titles. SSB3 is a given.

[Alex]

If im not mistaken, the intention has always been to make it cheaper, since nintendo has made it clear its a gam machine, where as the new xbox and playstation are going to have...wacky stuff going on.
Im not sure about the Xbox new verisons multiple model idea... probably just convince people.

[FunkyGreenJerusalem]

For the HD, I've heard that microsoft is disappointed in the lack of actual use of the HD in their XBox system.

Well then they shouldn't try and stop people from opening it up and using it.

[comic_lover]

Oh, and wifi ready right out of the box.

http://cube.ign.com/articles/594/594935p1.html?fromint=1

No word yet on a hard drive. Perhaps they're saving that for E3?but,will anyone care ? i wish I would have never bought a Gamecube now.....I never play it.Of course when I get the new Zelda game everything may change.....

[Smuggletrain]

but,will anyone care ? i wish I would have never bought a Gamecube now.....I never play it.Of course when I get the new Zelda game everything may change.....

You didn't play the last Zelda?

[comic_lover]

You didn't play the last Zelda? Wind Waker was horrible........I HATE " Cel Shading " .. :( :mad:

[Mike Pothier]

Eh, if you can get past the cel shading, its actually a wonderful game.

[Alex]

Wind Waker was horrible........I HATE " Cel Shading " .. :( :mad:
Ill never get that.
I HATED the idea when i first heard of it, and saw the still shots.
But when i actually saw that game moving...its still one of th emost impressive looking games ever.

[SuperSaiyaMan12]

Wind Waker was horrible........I HATE " Cel Shading " .. :( :mad:
Did you even play it or just judge by the graphics?

[Sanagi]

Swordfighting in Wind Waker was orgasmically good. I wish they were making another WW-style game.

[Mike Pothier]

The next Zelda is based on the same engine, only with a different style of graphics, AND it looks like it has a heavier emphasis on combat. So you're getting your wish.

Though I wish it was still cel shaded. Wind Waker was so fluid and teeming with life. The game was pure art.

[comic_lover]

Did you even play it or just judge by the graphics? Yep,didn't care for it either.The graphics were just so bad I couldn't care about it.It was like playing a game of Mickey Mouse....with a sword :(

[Mike Pothier]

Its too bad, because it really is a great game. I personally loved the style of graphics. In fact, the graphics are pretty deceptive. Wind Waker is NOT a kids game. Its by far one of the darkest Zelda games.

[SuperSaiyaMan12]

Yep,didn't care for it either.The graphics were just so bad I couldn't care about it.It was like playing a game of Mickey Mouse....with a sword :(
Yet, you are so wrong. Graphics(which were excellent) are not everything. The gameplay in Windwaker was so good, and the graphics are so excellent, you can't stop playing until the end.

Here is a tip, don't judge a game by it's graphics, judge it by it's gameplay. A game can have horrible graphics but the gameplay can be so good it more than evens it out.

[Alex]

Here is a tip, don't judge a game by it's graphics, judge it by it's gameplay. A game can have horrible graphics but the gameplay can be so good it more than evens it out.
But the graphics weren't horrible.

[SuperSaiyaMan12]

But the graphics weren't horrible.
I know, I was telling him that Alex. Comic_Lover thought they were and didn't even bother to play the game.

[Punchy]

I love my GC and I don't have WW. I don't game all that much. Maybe 5 hours or so a week. So I have a lot of games I haven't come close to finishing. But I have to get WW at some point, it's such a cool game (have the demo in the Zelda 4-pack) and the way I see it WW and Metroid: Prime are the defining GC games so far.

[Alex]

I love my GC and I don't have WW. I don't game all that much. Maybe 5 hours or so a week. So I have a lot of games I haven't come close to finishing. But I have to get WW at some point, it's such a cool game (have the demo in the Zelda 4-pack) and the way I see it WW and Metroid: Prime are the defining GC games so far.
Resident Evil 4.

[Punchy]

yeah, that too ... but it'll be available on the PS2 later on, part of GC's appeal is the exclusive liscencing

[Alex]

yeah, that too ... but it'll be available on the PS2 later on, part of GC's appeal is the exclusive liscencing
Rumor has it that since it was made specificly for gamecube, the PS2 version is going to blow.
Thats only a rumor though.

[Sanagi]

Rumor has it that since it was made specificly for gamecube, the PS2 version is going to blow.
Thats only a rumor though.
Yup, only a rumor. (http://www.gamesarefun.com/news.php?newsid=4410)

I still wouldn't be surprised if it turns out to be less pretty than the GC version, though.

[Mike Pothier]

Whether or not the PS2 version will be a good port remains to be seen.

But you can be sure that it WILL have to be downgraded somewhat graphically to run on it.

[Alex]

Whether or not the PS2 version will be a good port remains to be seen.

But you can be sure that it WILL have to be downgraded somewhat graphically to run on it.
Thats generaly the case with ports though, something is almost always lost.

[comic_lover]

I know, I was telling him that Alex. Comic_Lover thought they were and didn't even bother to play the game.Uh,is that a joke ? I bought the damn thing,full price,and was severely disappointed.It sucked ass.Sorry,that's just the way I feel about the game.I really,really,really, really,HATE it. :mad:

[comic_lover]

Yup, only a rumor. (http://www.gamesarefun.com/news.php?newsid=4410)

I still wouldn't be surprised if it turns out to be less pretty than the GC version, though.Oh,you'd better believe it will look worse....but it will probably play better,since the PS2 controller is more ergonomic.

[sikkbones]

nintendo rules.

[comic_lover]

nintendo rules.Not anymore ,bub.All they rule is third place in the hearts of the worldwide consumer console sales.....unless your talking about the Gameboy Advance.....but now that the PSP is here... :( I guess that's what they get for having such bad relationships with third party developers,designing the Gamecube to look like a lunchbox and putting out too many kids games.Let's hope the Revolution brings back the heydays of the Super Nintendo....but I seriously doubt it. :(

[sikkbones]

i own all three and find the cube to be the one i play the most.

[comic_lover]

i own all three and find the cube to be the one i play the most. I have eight different systems ; The X-Box,PS2,Playstaion,Dreamcast,Nintendo 64,Gamecube,Super Nintendo,and Sega Genesis...and I haven't played The Gamecube in ages....compared to the games on The X-Box and PS2 The Gamecube is just sad.....and that pisses me off because I really dig Nintendo.If they don't change their tune though they'll go the way of Sega...Third Party.Man, I sure hope they get it together..... :(

[Punchy]

Oh,you'd better believe it will look worse....but it will probably play better,since the PS2 controller is more ergonomic.

That's debatable. I love the GC controller.

Not anymore ,bub.All they rule is third place in the hearts of the worldwide consumer console sales.....

Sales have nothing to do with how good something is. If that were the case Britney Spears would be looked at as a great a artist.

[saintjon]

I couldn't disagree more about the playability of GC, I loves my Cube man. I think it's one of the best damn systems ever.

I'm not gonna try to tell you you should like wind waker though. I like it but to each their own. I agree about the third party developers too, but some of them are coming back. Waht pisses me off is that a lot of them, when they do come back, try their hand at some lame-ass junk game of a sort they have no experience doing. What in the blue blazes do I need a Koei shooter on my n-64 for?

Don't get me started on Square either....

Regardless, I don't feel I've missed out on a hell of a lot owning my Cube. I got me a whole stack of sweet games and you can't get half of 'em if you don't have one. I got my half hour fix playing GTA a few years ago and you know GTA is lauded as such a great game but I find it kind of repetitive. Maybe if I had time to sit and do the missions I'd get more out of it but I thought Mafia was better.

I've managed to keep up on my rpg's pretty decently, would like to try FFX someday but I can easily live without it (weapons look really truly aweful...), suikoden has gone downhill on ps2 according to my bro. Tales of Symphonia is a mega-sweet rpg anyways. Romance of the 3 Kingdoms is a bit of a burn but I think they peaked at 6 anyways, and I can always scoff that off my buddy Ran (actually I'll offer him twice what it's worht and just buy it, he has the newer ones anyways).

I moaned a bit over Fable, until I heard some commentary from people who acutally tried it. Sounds like a huge cop-out to me. Most everything else I could ever get interested in on X-box is on PC anyways, I've got a bunch of buddies who want me to play Halo with them sometime so I'll just do it at their place. I kind of hate online gaming and I REALLY hate the X-box controllers, not to mention the size and ridiculous appearance of the friggin things, the price and oh yeah Bill Gates can kiss my ass.

The only reason I may not get a Revolution is that I'm pretty damn happy wiht my gaming situation whereit is right now and I'm sick of spending money on new platforms all the time. backwards compatible may sell me yet though.

[Tish-the-Scorpion]

i love my cube and always will,it all comes down to taste i guess.as far as nintendo and game developers go i have no idea whats going on between the two.but they should work it out and get that papper.as far as the psp goes i'm kinda iffy about that,nintendo had serious competition in the hand held market before,and still camed out on top this won't be any different as i heard nintendo is working on a new gameboy.

[saintjon]

I really have no idea how a dual shock is more ergonomic than a GC controller. you forget you're holding the friggin thing!

[SuperSaiyaMan12]

I really have no idea how a dual shock is more ergonomic than a GC controller. you forget you're holding the friggin thing!
Sony is being sued big time for stealing the Dual Shock Controller, big time...

[saintjon]

they stole it?

[SuperSaiyaMan12]

they stole it?
They stole the design and everything, and marketed it as their own. And, to top it off, the controller was ALREADY pantented when it was stolen by Sony for their PS1 and PS2.

[saintjon]

May their testicles be properly sledgehammered then.

[SuperSaiyaMan12]

May their testicles be properly sledgehammered then.
I heard the suit was up to 25-40 million dollars. That is a proper sledgehammering to the testies.

[saintjon]

well when you think about the sheer VOLUME of those controllers they've sold it doesn't seem unfair.

[SuperSaiyaMan12]

well when you think about the sheer VOLUME of those controllers they've sold it doesn't seem unfair.
This suit may bankrupt them...

[Alex]

This suit may bankrupt them...
You can't bankrupt sony, sony could buy nintendo if they wanted.

[sikkbones]

I have eight different systems ; The X-Box,PS2,Playstaion,Dreamcast,Nintendo 64,Gamecube,Super Nintendo,and Sega Genesis...and I haven't played The Gamecube in ages....compared to the games on The X-Box and PS2 The Gamecube is just sad.....and that pisses me off because I really dig Nintendo.If they don't change their tune though they'll go the way of Sega...Third Party.Man, I sure hope they get it together..... :(
they dont need to they have the GBA, the DS and whatever cheaper handheld consoles they can produce as long as they have a share of the kiddie market nintendo will be fine.

[SuperSaiyaMan12]

You can't bankrupt sony, sony could buy nintendo if they wanted.
Nintendo will never sell, Alex. And, this lawsuit has already ruined their name in Japan I hear.

[sikkbones]

That's debatable. I love the GC controller.

.

i love it too..
best wireless on the market is easily the wavebird...

[Alex]

Nintendo will never sell, Alex. And, this lawsuit has already ruined their name in Japan I hear.
I was speakig of finances, not the actualy possibility.
This won't affect sony, the company can afford to put 100 dollar bills inside their hardware and still turn a profit.
And thank god, i like having three systems to choose from.

[SuperSaiyaMan12]

I was wrong about the 25-40 million dollar lawsuit. Just read it over again and I saw that Sony has to pay up to 82 million dollars AND if it's repeal isn't passed, it'll have to quit selling PS2 and PS1 games and systems. The company that sued them, Immersion Corp, also sued Microsoft last year for 26 million dollars for the same copyright infringement.

[Mike Pothier]

Oh,you'd better believe it will look worse....but it will probably play better,since the PS2 controller is more ergonomic.

The thought of playing RE4 on the PS2 controller makes me cringe.

[saintjon]

yeah taste is taste but for my money the Wavebird is the best thing to ever happen to controllers.

[sikkbones]

yeah taste is taste but for my money the Wavebird is the best thing to ever happen to controllers.
amen.......

[comic_lover]

I really have no idea how a dual shock is more ergonomic than a GC controller. you forget you're holding the friggin thing!
That controller (Gamecube's ) is the worst controller I've ever had the displeasure of playing games with.What was it made for,midgets that practice yoga with six fingers ? It's too small.The Wavebird is better,but compared to Logotech's wireless pS2 controller it comes in second.I mean,no force feedback ? Give me a break.... :rolleyes: Madcatz new wireless 2.4 GHZ PS2 and X-Box controllers are better than the Wavebird.....and Punchy,the Gamecube's controller is one of the major problems people have with the system.Ask anyone at Babbages or on the web....there's a reason Nintendo is in third place,and system design is one of those reasons.Not even classics like Metroid Prime could pull this system from out of the gutter.. :( Damn greedy,egotistical,self centered bastards at Nintendo....when are they going to start listening to fans and third party developers ? It makes me sad and mad all at the same time.

[sikkbones]

anyone see the wireless controllers that have been produced for the Nes and Snes?

[comic_lover]

anyone see the wireless controllers that have been produced for the Nes and Snes?
ARE YOU SERIOUS ? WHERE ????? I GOTTA HAVE EM ! :eek:

[sikkbones]

http://www.viewonline.com/pages/articles/messiahnescontroller.htm

[Punchy]

and Punchy,the Gamecube's controller is one of the major problems people have with the system.Ask anyone at Babbages or on the web....there's a reason Nintendo is in third place,and system design is one of those reasons.

I don't agree at all. The controller feels the best in your hand out of the big three and the button layout makes a lot of sense. PS and XBox buttons can get confusing since they are all right next to each other and of the same shape. But GC buttons lay nicely and are easy to differentiate by touch.

But I geuss it's just taste.

And YES Nintendo is in third place when it comes to consoles. But that's really a lame point when you're debating its merit. You could point to ANY quality about the system and say "see, that's why it's in third place" be it game exclusivity, system design, or what friggin' color the connection cables are. Doesn't mean it's true.

And like I said earlier, I could care less which system sells the most. Have you noticed what CDs and movies sell the most? A lot of them are crap!

[saintjon]

That controller (Gamecube's ) is the worst controller I've ever had the displeasure of playing games with.What was it made for,midgets that practice yoga with six fingers ? It's too small.The Wavebird is better,but compared to Logotech's wireless pS2 controller it comes in second.I mean,no force feedback ? Give me a break.... :rolleyes: Madcatz new wireless 2.4 GHZ PS2 and X-Box controllers are better than the Wavebird.....and Punchy,the Gamecube's controller is one of the major problems people have with the system.Ask anyone at Babbages or on the web....there's a reason Nintendo is in third place,and system design is one of those reasons.Not even classics like Metroid Prime could pull this system from out of the gutter.. :( Damn greedy,egotistical,self centered bastards at Nintendo....when are they going to start listening to fans and third party developers ? It makes me sad and mad all at the same time.

Okay, first wavebird comes in second to logitech's ps2 controller (except it doesn't, no force feedback also means no annoying rattling out of your controller) and then in your next sentence the 2 mad catz controllers are also better, so basically I'm guessing you're a flow of consciousness kind of guy?

I've met people who don't like the Cube controller and I'm all too happy to dismiss their opinion as "not mine".

couldn't agree more with Punchy.

[Mike Pothier]

That controller (Gamecube's ) is the worst controller I've ever had the displeasure of playing games with.What was it made for,midgets that practice yoga with six fingers ? It's too small.The Wavebird is better,but compared to Logotech's wireless pS2 controller it comes in second.I mean,no force feedback ? Give me a break.... :rolleyes: Madcatz new wireless 2.4 GHZ PS2 and X-Box controllers are better than the Wavebird.....and Punchy,the Gamecube's controller is one of the major problems people have with the system.Ask anyone at Babbages or on the web....there's a reason Nintendo is in third place,and system design is one of those reasons.Not even classics like Metroid Prime could pull this system from out of the gutter.. :( Damn greedy,egotistical,self centered bastards at Nintendo....when are they going to start listening to fans and third party developers ? It makes me sad and mad all at the same time.

The Gamecube is in third place because it gets the least support from 3rd party developers.

It gets the least support because 3rd party games generally don't sell as well as 1st party games.

It has nothing to do with the controller, nor the shape of the console. Really, get a clue. Nintendo not listening to fans?

HELLO? Realistic Zelda? If thats not listening to fans, I don't know what is. And they also have a reputation now of being VERY helpful to outside developers. But there is only so much they can do to get the games on their consoles if those games don't sell enough to make money.

[Sanagi]

Wavebird = best controller ever.

It used to take copious amounts of caffeine and inflamed thumbs to achieve the video game zen trance. With the Wavebird, it just happens.

And as a bonus, you can save yourself the trouble of pushing up on the joystick in order to move in Zelda/Metroid/whatever by just switching it off and holding down while you turn it back on. Auto-walk!

[saintjon]

That's bloody brilliant :O.

[Tish-the-Scorpion]

But there is only so much they can do to get the games on their consoles if those games don't sell enough to make money.
this however is probably nintendo's fault.they have maketed themselves in such a way it hendered their non 1st party games from selling.their now being pigieon held as a kiddie console,and thats the mojority of ninterndo's fan base now lil kids.all the other consumers moved on to the other consoles.nintendo have to get their older fans back buy changing their image a little bit..

[Mike Pothier]

this however is probably nintendo's fault.they have maketed themselves in such a way it hendered their non 1st party games from selling.their now being pigieon held as a kiddie console,and thats the mojority of ninterndo's fan base now lil kids.all the other consumers moved on to the other consoles.nintendo have to get their older fans back buy changing their image a little bit..

Nintendo has been taking huge strides in trying to change their image. Resident Evil exclusivity, Eternal Darkness and other attempts have been made. Aside from completely dropping Mario and friends, which would be suicide for them, what else can they do to remove the stigma?

The problem isn't Nintendo, but Nintendo's consumers. They buy the console and typically only get Nintendo games for it. A few third party games manage to get successful sales, but they tend to belong to the big hitters in the industry, such as Namco, Capcom, EA, Ubisoft, etc. If you are a relative no name, then you wouldn't dare touch the GC. Its unfortunate, but true.

[saintjon]

this however is probably nintendo's fault.they have maketed themselves in such a way it hendered their non 1st party games from selling.their now being pigieon held as a kiddie console,and thats the mojority of ninterndo's fan base now lil kids.all the other consumers moved on to the other consoles.nintendo have to get their older fans back buy changing their image a little bit..

Pretty much every one of my 20+ friends who own games at all have a Cube, and most of them have only that.

[Tish-the-Scorpion]

Nintendo has been taking huge strides in trying to change their image. Resident Evil exclusivity, Eternal Darkness and other attempts have been made. Aside from completely dropping Mario and friends, which would be suicide for them, what else can they do to remove the stigma?

The problem isn't Nintendo, but Nintendo's consumers. They buy the console and typically only get Nintendo games for it. thats true too................

[saintjon]

Yeah when a 3rd party puts out a good game I make a point of trying to get my hands on it.

[blackdragon6]

another thing is that nintendo probably should promote the third party products as much as their own that might help as well

[Astonishing X-Fan]

So there's Eternal Darkness and Resident Evil...and...?

Like it or not, the Gamecube IS a kiddy system. I own one and there are some great games on it...but anyone trying to say it's NOT a kiddy system can't be serious. For every game aimed at mature gamers, there's about 20 aimed at the tweens. Almost every hyped game for it is obviously designed to appeal to the kids. Almost every hyped game is pathetically easy. Wind Waker was by the far the easiest game in the core Zelda series, for example.

The Gamecube lacks demographic variety. Look at the PS2. There's a big handful of kiddie games, a big handful of mature games, and a big handful of games in between.

The X-Box doesn't do it as well as the PS2, but they definately do it better than with the Gamecube.

Everything about the Gamecube from it's design to it's game collection just screams "I'm for little kids"...and it's THAT image that is keeping them in third place.

[saintjon]

A system that puts priorities on fun games with universal appeal does not a kiddy system make. Seriously, when was the last time you went to a good go-cart track? Sure it's more grown up and mature to drive around on the highway, but go-carts are GODDAMN fun (especially when you go someplace where they have the crazy fast ones, which is about where I rank the Cube in this comparison). I am so sick of this equating the Cube wiht latent childishness...

To me it's way more childish to write off one of the best systems ever as "by the kids, of the kids and for the kids" because there isn't enough "mature" (what the hell was mature about robbing cars and creating untold chaos with little to no consequence again?) content.

[Alex]

So there's Eternal Darkness and Resident Evil...and...?

Metroid prime, 1 and 2.

[Alex]

another thing is that nintendo probably should promote the third party products as much as their own that might help as well
They tried with Viewtiful Joe, which reviews and people who played it loved, but no one bought it.
If im not mistaken, the hardware company doesn't generaly promote 3rd party software, could be wrong, but it wouldn't make a lot of sense if they did.

[blackdragon6]

i bought viewtiful joe and loved it(havent played the 2nd one yet) i'm shocked that no oine bought it.

[Convoy]

They tried with Viewtiful Joe, which reviews and people who played it loved, but no one bought it.
If im not mistaken, the hardware company doesn't generaly promote 3rd party software, could be wrong, but it wouldn't make a lot of sense if they did.

But it was on the Player's Choice collection. Doesn't that indicate it sold well? Resident Evil 1 was and RE4 will probably be included too.

[Punchy]

Look at the PS2. There's a big handful of kiddie games, a big handful of mature games, and a big handful of games in between.


Yeah. And a lot of them are crap.

[Genma:TheDestroyer]

For a moment there, I almost thought I had the answer to your prayers, comic_lover.


The recent issue of EGM reported that, starting April 1st, those who plunk down at least 10 dollars on the pre-order for the newest Legend of Zelda Gamecube game get a special disc. A re-make of the Wind Waker, but with the mature style of the new game. Plus two dungeons that were cut from the original version. They even had a sweet looking screenshot. I was actually getting pretty psyched.




Then I noticed it was the April issue of EGM. And the deal starts 'on April 1st'.


Sure enough, all the other boards and forums seem to be treating it as a joke, as well. Dang.

[sikkbones]

a local store was advertising a demo of quake 4 for xbox to anyone who bought doom 3 for xbox on apr. 1

[comic_lover]

Yeah. And a lot of them are crap.
Could be worse,the Gamecube,from what i've played has bad games eight times out of ten.Games like Mario Sunshine,Kirby,Mario Golf,Mario Tennis,and other assorted junk.If they would have only came out with a better system,controller, and games like Resident Evil 4,Resident Evil 0,Metroid Prime,and Eternal Darkness maybe they would be selling more ' cubes.Personally,I see the console market all but finished for Nintendo.Give it enough time and Sony's PSP will own the handheld market as well.Has anyone compared the PSP to the DS ? The differences between PSP's version of Ridge Racer and the DS version is shocking to say the least.Nintendo had better start making playing cards again,because they just might end up doing it permanently.Although they used to be the best,the world has grown up,and Nintendo has fell the way of the dinosaur.Can Sony make it three for three system wise ? I dunno,but there's no way a company like Nintendo can compete with gigantic companies like Sony and Microsoft.

[comic_lover]

For a moment there, I almost thought I had the answer to your prayers, comic_lover.


The recent issue of EGM reported that, starting April 1st, those who plunk down at least 10 dollars on the pre-order for the newest Legend of Zelda Gamecube game get a special disc. A re-make of the Wind Waker, but with the mature style of the new game. Plus two dungeons that were cut from the original version. They even had a sweet looking screenshot. I was actually getting pretty psyched.




Then I noticed it was the April issue of EGM. And the deal starts 'on April 1st'.


Sure enough, all the other boards and forums seem to be treating it as a joke, as well. Dang. I hate April Fools day. :mad:

[sikkbones]

Could be worse,the Gamecube,from what i've played has bad games eight times out of ten.Games like Mario Sunshine,Kirby,Mario Golf,Mario Tennis,and other assorted junk.If they would have only came out with a better system,controller, and games like Resident Evil 4,Resident Evil 0,Metroid Prime,and Eternal Darkness maybe they would be selling more ' cubes.Personally,I see the console market all but finished for Nintendo.Give it enough time and Sony's PSP will own the handheld market as well.Has anyone compared the PSP to the DS ? The differences between PSP's version of Ridge Racer and the DS version is shocking to say the least.Nintendo had better start making playing cards again,because they just might end up doing it permanently.Although they used to be the best,the world has grown up,and Nintendo has fell the way of the dinosaur.Can Sony make it three for three system wise ? I dunno,but there's no way a company like Nintendo can compete with gigantic companies like Sony and Microsoft.

if the revolution fails or the xenon fails i can see the next next generation console being a microsoft/nintendo collobration.

[saintjon]

I bought Viewtiful Joe when it first came out and made sweet love to it... er played it for a long time.

Anyways how the frig could you say that RE 0 was better than Wind Waker?

[Alex]

Anyways how the frig could you say that RE 0 was better than Wind Waker?
Hate cell shading, good controls, originality.

[Sanagi]

I always hated the RE controls until RE4.

[Sanagi]

So there's Eternal Darkness and Resident Evil...and...?Metroid prime, 1 and 2.
And lots of multi-platform games like Soul Calibur 2 and the various Timesplitters, Mortal Kombat, Tom Clancy, and Bond games.

And F-Zero GX isn't particularly mature-oriented, but it's way too hard to be a game for kids.

The PS2 has a lot more variety, true, but the Cube isn't terribly lacking in variety(or maturity) either.

[saintjon]

Hate cell shading, good controls, originality.

Don't forget cameras that know how to move and variety of gameplay.

[SuperSaiyaMan12]

Could be worse,the Gamecube,from what i've played has bad games eight times out of ten.Games like Mario Sunshine,Kirby,Mario Golf,Mario Tennis,and other assorted junk.If they would have only came out with a better system,controller, and games like Resident Evil 4,Resident Evil 0,Metroid Prime,and Eternal Darkness maybe they would be selling more ' cubes.Personally,I see the console market all but finished for Nintendo.Give it enough time and Sony's PSP will own the handheld market as well.Has anyone compared the PSP to the DS ? The differences between PSP's version of Ridge Racer and the DS version is shocking to say the least.Nintendo had better start making playing cards again,because they just might end up doing it permanently.Although they used to be the best,the world has grown up,and Nintendo has fell the way of the dinosaur.Can Sony make it three for three system wise ? I dunno,but there's no way a company like Nintendo can compete with gigantic companies like Sony and Microsoft.
I think you are just a Nintendo hater troll.

[Punchy]

Could be worse,the Gamecube,from what i've played has bad games eight times out of ten.

Well, there's no accounting for taste.

[Alex]

And F-Zero GX isn't particularly mature-oriented, but it's way too hard to be a game for kids.
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Despite its look, i find it hard to beleive a kid would have an easy time getting through wind waker.

[comic_lover]

I think you are just a Nintendo hater troll. Then why would I own Nintendo's systems ? I call it as I see it.Nintendo has crapped all over third party developers and that will cost them dearly.

[comic_lover]

Well, there's no accounting for taste.Apparently someone here likes kiddie games,and its not me.

[comic_lover]

Despite its look, i find it hard to beleive a kid would have an easy time getting through wind waker.Never underestimate children.Some kids are quick learners....

[Punchy]

Apparently someone here likes kiddie games,and its not me.

Now you're resorting to personal attacks?

Dude, you REALLY have to relax about this. You're starting to sound like a troll.

Here's my list of games for the GC: Metroid Prime, MP: Echoes, Sould Caliber 2, Madden '05, RE 4, Robotech, Zelda 4-pack

Only the Zelda games could be thought of as kiddie games. So just because someone likes the GC doesn't mean they like kiddie games. But even so I'd take Super Smash Bros. Melee over most of the junk that PS2 puts out.

[SuperSaiyaMan12]

Now you're resorting to personal attacks?

Dude, you REALLY have to relax about this. You're starting to sound like a troll.

Here's my list of games for the GC: Metroid Prime, MP: Echoes, Sould Caliber 2, Madden '05, RE 4, Robotech, Zelda 4-pack

Only the Zelda games could be thought of as kiddie games. So just because someone likes the GC doesn't mean they like kiddie games. But even so I'd take Super Smash Bros. Melee over most of the junk that PS2 puts out.
How can the Zelda games be kiddie games? Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask were not kiddie, and even though it looked kidde, Windwaker had a really dark plot. Oh, have you seen the new trailer for the Zelda Gamecube game?

[blackdragon6]

the new zelda game is really gonna put nintendo back on the map it looks boss as hell!!!

[Punchy]

How can the Zelda games be kiddie games? Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask were not kiddie, and even though it looked kidde, Windwaker had a really dark plot. Oh, have you seen the new trailer for the Zelda Gamecube game?

I agree actually.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

I don't own a PSP or Nintendo Gameboy. Never really got Into em.


I sold my Gamecube because I didn't see any games I wanted and I'm pretty happy. If Revolution actually kicks ass and has a game I want...maybe.

[comic_lover]

Now you're resorting to personal attacks?

Dude, you REALLY have to relax about this. You're starting to sound like a troll.

Here's my list of games for the GC: Metroid Prime, MP: Echoes, Sould Caliber 2, Madden '05, RE 4, Robotech, Zelda 4-pack

Only the Zelda games could be thought of as kiddie games. So just because someone likes the GC doesn't mean they like kiddie games. But even so I'd take Super Smash Bros. Melee over most of the junk that PS2 puts out. personal attacks ? My goodness,man,what kind in insecurity issues do you carry around,anyways ? ;) I have kiddie games myself ( Luigi's Mansion for one,man I love that game ) Dude,you really need to get a grip.....most of the games that are on the Gamecube are for kids.It's made for children.Look at the Gamecube for a second : Small,portable,handle on the back,many colors,etc. Not that there is anything wrong with a kid's system,( because the die hards are going to buy it regardless of it's appearance or amount of easy games ) but Nintendo is lousy at marketing...and your average gamer is in his mid twenties,or so the statistics say.Uh,Zelda looks kiddie,but it's not a kids game really.....You prefer Super Smash Melee over Soul Calibur ? I'm stunned. :eek:

[comic_lover]

the new zelda game is really gonna put nintendo back on the map it looks boss as hell!!! It looks good,that's for sure...but playing it on that controller is going to make my hands cramp. :(

[Punchy]

personal attacks ? My goodness,man,what kind in insecurity issues do you carry around,anyways ? ;) I have kiddie games myself ( Luigi's Mansion for one,man I love that game ) Dude,you really need to get a grip.....most of the games that are on the Gamecube are for kids.It's made for children.Look at the Gamecube for a second : Small,portable,handle on the back,many colors,etc. Not that there is anything wrong with a kid's system,( because the die hards are going to buy it regardless of it's appearance or amount of easy games ) but Nintendo is lousy at marketing...and your average gamer is in his mid twenties,or so the statistics say.Uh,Zelda looks kiddie,but it's not a kids game really.....You prefer Super Smash Melee over Soul Calibur ? I'm stunned. :eek:


Nice back-pedal. You just said you DIDN'T like kiddie games. And I never said I prefer Smash Bros over Soul Caliber, I said I'd prefer it over a lot of crapola that comes out on PS2. This is a stupid argument. Start another thread to vent about how much you think the GC sucks instead of jumping on one about the Revolution.

[comic_lover]

Nice back-pedal. You just said you DIDN'T like kiddie games. And I never said I prefer Smash Bros over Soul Caliber, I said I'd prefer it over a lot of crapola that comes out on PS2. This is a stupid argument. Start another thread to vent about how much you think the GC sucks instead of jumping on one about the Revolution. I'm an " in your grill " kind of guy ; I never have to " back pedal "...I like all games,but I really dislike too many of one type of game.What,you dont care for variety ?Gamecube has way too many easy,overly colorful,mascot oriented,goofy, child like games.The proportion between games such as this and games like Resident Evil 4 are mind blowing.Does The Gamecube suck ? If you compare the library to that of the other two,yes.It let down alot of gamers wanting Nintendo to reclaim the market.There are alot of bad games that come out on the PS2,but that's because there are alot of games period.Gamecube really doesn't have that many games that are on the system,and alot of the games are simply rehashed from the 64.People want the next big thing,not the same old thing.Look at the sales numbers,they tell the whole story.As for the Nintendo Revolution,have you heard what Nintendo wants to do ? A non standard controller that is touch screen ? Innovative to be sure,but it wont fly with most people.I'll reserve my judgement of the system when I see it,just like all the others,but from what I and alot of other gamers( read some posts on gamewinners and gamefaqs ) have seen lately,it's just disappointing.

[sikkbones]

they should make a system that is affordable... under 150$ when first released.

[comic_lover]

they should make a system that is affordable... under 150$ when first released......or better yet,if it's got to be 200 + package it with two controllers and a game.

[sikkbones]

or better yet... a light gun 2 controllers and a game with 2 games on it...
only reason i bought an xbox is because it came with amped 2 and top spin....

[comic_lover]

or better yet... a light gun 2 controllers and a game with 2 games on it...
only reason i bought an xbox is because it came with amped 2 and top spin.... I bought an X-Box because alot of games that were on the PS2 were on the X-Box and most of them looked and played better.I also bought one because of exclusives like Halo 2,Fable,KOTOR, and Doom 3.As for a light gun,man I do miss the light gun games.House of the Dead is by far a favorite of mine....and so is Vampire Night.It's always fun to shoot the creepies,dont ya know.

[sikkbones]

duck hunt is still king.

[Sanagi]

I'm an " in your grill " kind of guy ; I never have to " back pedal "...I like all games,but I really dislike too many of one type of game.What,you dont care for variety ?Gamecube has way too many easy,overly colorful,mascot oriented,goofy, child like games.
And yet, none of the games I've ever played on the cube truly fits that entire description.

Super Monkey Ball comes close, but it gets insanely difficult as you get further into it.

And please get out of my grill. I'm trying to make hamburgers.

[SuperSaiyaMan12]

I'm an " in your grill " kind of guy ; I never have to " back pedal "...I like all games,but I really dislike too many of one type of game.What,you dont care for variety ?Gamecube has way too many easy,overly colorful,mascot oriented,goofy, child like games.The proportion between games such as this and games like Resident Evil 4 are mind blowing.Does The Gamecube suck ? If you compare the library to that of the other two,yes.It let down alot of gamers wanting Nintendo to reclaim the market.There are alot of bad games that come out on the PS2,but that's because there are alot of games period.Gamecube really doesn't have that many games that are on the system,and alot of the games are simply rehashed from the 64.People want the next big thing,not the same old thing.Look at the sales numbers,they tell the whole story.As for the Nintendo Revolution,have you heard what Nintendo wants to do ? A non standard controller that is touch screen ? Innovative to be sure,but it wont fly with most people.I'll reserve my judgement of the system when I see it,just like all the others,but from what I and alot of other gamers( read some posts on gamewinners and gamefaqs ) have seen lately,it's just disappointing.
Comic Lover, can you get out of the bridge already? They have jobs for the trolls now at the castle :p :D ;)

[saintjon]

personal attacks ? My goodness,man,what kind in insecurity issues do you carry around,anyways ? ;) I have kiddie games myself ( Luigi's Mansion for one,man I love that game ) Dude,you really need to get a grip.....most of the games that are on the Gamecube are for kids.It's made for children.Look at the Gamecube for a second : Small,portable,handle on the back,many colors,etc. Not that there is anything wrong with a kid's system,( because the die hards are going to buy it regardless of it's appearance or amount of easy games ) but Nintendo is lousy at marketing...and your average gamer is in his mid twenties,or so the statistics say.Uh,Zelda looks kiddie,but it's not a kids game really.....You prefer Super Smash Melee over Soul Calibur ? I'm stunned. :eek:

Easily your lamest offering yet. Yes I'm looking at my Cube, if has a compact, easy to move design, it's simple, minimalist. the new PS2 doesn't look TOO bad to me but I found the original design to be a bit of an eyesore with the pointless ridges along the sides... and then you have the X-box. Shit, looks like a lot of black and neon shit kids used to run around with when I was in grade 4. Where I found PS2 to be a bit of an eyesore the X-box is rather an over-sized one.

As for Smash over Soul Calibur, wtf are you talking about? Cube had soul calibur 2, I like it very well.

PS: I did have a bit of Fable envy until I heard from people who played it that it was a monstrous cop-out and pretty much sucked.

[sikkbones]

hmm lemme look at my cube collection...

wm 18... kinda kiddy
x2:wolverines revenge kinda kiddy
def jam vendeta not kiddy at all...
splinter cell too hard for the kids.
star wars bounty hunter maybe older kids... and you can't kill jar jar binks in the damn game
18 wheeler... ok this ones for kids... and rednecks..
madden 2002... if i cant figure out the controls 3 years later how can anyone else?
spawn armageddon: not kiddy
nba street: kid game fun for any age... fo shizzo...
enter the matrix.. too hard for most kids...

bloody roar... if this is a kiddy game why cant i beat it?
batman: rise of sin tzu kiddy game but fun as hell....
final fantasy crystal chronicles... good game.. the kid version of ffx


ya i guess my cubes a kiddy system... with adult games.

[blackdragon6]

It looks good,that's for sure...but playing it on that controller is going to make my hands cramp. :(
i think your exaggerating, the ps2 controler actually doesn't feel all that different from the cube controller.though the button layout is confusing as hell on ps2.i why in the hell does they have shapes instead of letters?!

[MissKale]

i think your exaggerating, the ps2 controler actually doesn't feel all that different from the cube controller.though the button layout is confusing as hell on ps2.i why in the hell does they have shapes instead of letters?!


The PS2 controller makes my hand cramp. The GC controller is just that little bit bigger so it fits perfectly.

I also have problems with the button layout on the Playstation controllers. But then the two systems I have (Xbox and Gamecube), have the same button layout.

[Tish-the-Scorpion]

The PS2 controller makes my hand cramp. The GC controller is just that little bit bigger so it fits perfectly.

I also have problems with the button layout on the Playstation controllers. But then the two systems I have (Xbox and Gamecube), have the same button layout.
ps controllers are a pain in the ass if you don't play them as often.me myself im usually glued to re4.so i hardly play my ps2

[Astonishing X-Fan]

If you look at Gamecube EXCLUSIVE games, there IS a LOT of kiddie stuff in there.

For example: Wind Waker is kiddie, like it or not. Is it fun? Yes. But everything from art direction to sound to difficulty is clearly pandering to the kids.

The same problem exists for the majority of Cube exclusives, not all, but most.

Seriously, anyone who says the system isn't "kiddie" is in denial. I like the system and own one of my own, but the reason it's in last place, and the reason it's not taken very seriously, is because it's marketed to the kids. Most of it's "big" games are simple, VERY easy, and look like they've jumped straight out of a cartoon.

[Sanagi]

If you look at Gamecube EXCLUSIVE games, there IS a LOT of kiddie stuff in there.

For example: Wind Waker is kiddie, like it or not. Is it fun? Yes. But everything from art direction to sound to difficulty is clearly pandering to the kids.

Seriously, anyone who says the system isn't "kiddie" is in denial. I like the system and own one of my own, but the reason it's in last place, and the reason it's not taken very seriously, is because it's marketed to the kids. Most of it's "big" games are simple, VERY easy, and look like they've jumped straight out of a cartoon.
I'm not in denial, here, because I don't care who says what is "kiddie," I just play the games that I like.

I'm just wondering which ones you think are "VERY easy." Mario Sunshine took some aggravation, the Metroid games aren't exactly a breeze, nor is Wind Waker. Pikmin takes some work. And F-Zero GX is insane... What other "big" games am I forgetting? Pokemon? Mario Kart?

[sikkbones]

I'm not in denial, here, because I don't care who says what is "kiddie," I just play the games that I like.

I'm just wondering which ones you think are "VERY easy." Mario Sunshine took some aggravation, the Metroid games aren't exactly a breeze, nor is Wind Waker. Pikmin takes some work. And F-Zero GX is insane... What other "big" games am I forgetting? Pokemon? Mario Kart?
final fantasy crystal chronicles?

[Mike Pothier]

If you look at Gamecube EXCLUSIVE games, there IS a LOT of kiddie stuff in there.

For example: Wind Waker is kiddie, like it or not. Is it fun? Yes. But everything from art direction to sound to difficulty is clearly pandering to the kids.

The same problem exists for the majority of Cube exclusives, not all, but most.

Seriously, anyone who says the system isn't "kiddie" is in denial. I like the system and own one of my own, but the reason it's in last place, and the reason it's not taken very seriously, is because it's marketed to the kids. Most of it's "big" games are simple, VERY easy, and look like they've jumped straight out of a cartoon.

You're right. And Pixar movies are totally aimed at kids too.

[saintjon]

You're right. And Pixar movies are totally aimed at kids too.

EXACTLY.

You guys can tell me I'm playing kid games til you're blue in your collective faces, the fact is that they're damn good.

[Astonishing X-Fan]

Hey, I'm not saying the games are bad, I'm not saying the games aren't fun.

I'm saying that Nintendo markets to kids, and they suffer because of it. That's all.

But on a side note, I don't know how anyone can say Wind Waker was not EXTREMELY easy. It's the biggest downside the game has. It's the biggest downside a lot of Cube games have. Pretty much every major Cube game save the T and M ones has the same problem. It kills the fun for me when I can go through a game as big and epic as Zelda and never even come close to dying once.

[sikkbones]

Hey, I'm not saying the games are bad, I'm not saying the games aren't fun.

I'm saying that Nintendo markets to kids, and they suffer because of it. That's all.

But on a side note, I don't know how anyone can say Wind Waker was not EXTREMELY easy. It's the biggest downside the game has. It's the biggest downside a lot of Cube games have. Pretty much every major Cube game save the T and M ones has the same problem. It kills the fun for me when I can go through a game as big and epic as Zelda and never even come close to dying once.

nintendo marketing to kids worked in 85 and 92 they think that they can still make money by marketing to kids... they are #2 for a reason among kids... the xbox is not a kid freindly system.

[Astonishing X-Fan]

Yes, but in 85 and 92 kids were the big target when it came to video games. But it's not the same anymore. Just like how comic books have grown up, so have video games. But Nintendo refuses to grow up and they lose in the market because of it.

[Sanagi]

I'm saying that Nintendo markets to kids, and they suffer because of it.
Nintendo suffers because they treated 3rd parties badly. Nintendo suffers because they didn't upgrade to optical media on the N64. Nintendo suffers because they got arrogant and complacent and Sony came along and stole the dominant spot in the market.

The perceived maturity level of Nintendo's games has little to do with it, relatively.

[blackdragon6]

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The perceived maturity level of Nintendo's games has little to do with it, relatively.
pretty much.........................

[sikkbones]

Yes, but in 85 and 92 kids were the big target when it came to video games. But it's not the same anymore. Just like how comic books have grown up, so have video games. But Nintendo refuses to grow up and they lose in the market because of it.
i acknowlege this...
but nintendo needs to create a kid freindly system better than the preffered ps2 and psp...
price wise GBA will always be king... and i think it will be the childs portable for a long time seeing how the original green GB outlived the lynx, the game gear, the nomad, etc. many systems which were better than the GB
if nintendo is smart they make the R system connectable with both the GBA and the DS and drop the ds price... personally i dont like either of the newer portable... but im a GBA fan.

[Astonishing X-Fan]

Nintendo definately knows what they're doing when it comes to handhelds.

[blackdragon6]

yep psp is no real competition

[SuperSaiyaMan12]

yep psp is no real competition
For every PSP that is sold, 100 GBA's are sold at the same time.

[Leslie Lee III]

I really have no idea how a dual shock is more ergonomic than a GC controller. you forget you're holding the friggin thing!

The dual shock is the best controller ever. Totally not feeling the Gamecubes button layout. Sure, it seems like a good idea at launch, but once people start actually making games for it it's not so hot.

[saintjon]

I dunno man the only time the GC button layout has caused me trouble was when I was trying to re-program my Smash Brothers skills to a totally different layout. Other than that I've found it to be consistently pretty good.

[Sanagi]

The GC controller is terrible for Capcom VS. SNK 2. That game has lots of moves that require different combinations of buttons to be pressed at the same time, and the GC controller is designed so that you can combine the A and Z buttons with other buttons, but anything else is either impossible or very awkward. It took me some trial and error to come up with a control scheme that let me make the most of things, but it's not perfect - I can only do half of the SF2-style teleports, for instance.

(By the way, Capcom made the attempt to make a new control scheme based on the dual analog sticks, but it's so cheesily easy to do specials and supers that it breaks the game in half.)

I also have wished there was a "Z-2" button. I mean, why not?

Due to these issues I'll grant that the PS2 button layout is better. It should be, they copied it from the SNES.

Anyways, I still like the GC controller, especially the wavebird.

[saintjon]

Well I don't find any of the console controllers to be very good for playing 2d arcade fighters on. I needs me a big ol' joystick and flat 6 button layout or I'm pretty damn useless.