ACTION COMICs (latest ish)

[spike1205]

All i can say is wow--i thought that was a fantastic look at supes
awesome--fav. book of the week

[marshal99]

What ? Surprised that nobody so far has not written anything regarding the latest issues or complaining that Austen/Finn is leaving the title , oh boo-hoo.

Ah , if Austen had continue his run , he would have turned Doomsday into Juggernaut Mark II but as it is , i'm surprise he didn't have Gog teleported both Preus and Repo-man out too , too bad Xorn wasn't around to suck in all Austen plots storyline into his head here so Austen had to make do with Gog teleporting Doomsday out and Preus and Repo-man probably never to be heard from again.
Austen should have end it with Superman smirking a lot and cracking jokes like spider-man.

[Sean Whitmore]

Well, this issue is ample evidence to support the "Finn is Austen" theory. It was all but incomprehensible, which is Austen's M.O.

A shame. I'd really enjoyed his dalliance with Superman before this issue.


SEAN

[cactusmaac]

Hot damn.

This was probably my favourite Superman comic since Action #775.

Fan-fucking-tastic.

[JoshuaB]

Really enjoyed it......although I would have liked this explored over the course of a few more issues, I loved it.

[spike1205]

what do you think gog was talking about betrayal at the end?

[jam37wcc]

what do you think gog was talking about betrayal at the end?

I think he was talking about him betraying himself.

[marshal99]

what do you think gog was talking about betrayal at the end?

What knows ? Who cares ? Just another one of the loose dangling incomprehensible plotline of Austen that will never be revealed or continued.

There's also another one of Preus mumbling on the ground and all that incoherent junk of Doomsday carrying on superman's legacy and all that crap.

[Arune Singh]

Well, this issue is ample evidence to support the "Finn is Austen" theory. It was all but incomprehensible, which is Austen's M.O.

A shame. I'd really enjoyed his dalliance with Superman before this issue.


SEAN

Except Austin isn't Finn. I know that for a fact.

[cactusmaac]

Who is this glorious new talent then?

PM me if you want to keep it confidential.

[marshal99]

"Who is JD Finn?" ? So obvious it's Austen. "Finn" referes to Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain, while over on Chuck Austen's "Worldwatch" he's been replaced by "Sam Clemens," Mark Twain's real name. :rolleyes:

If he's not Austen , please pray do tell here on this board. I'm sure everyone here would love to know.

Fact remains , during Austen's run on Action , what storyline has been resolved ?

Doomsday is still on the loose
Gog is still on the loose
Preus is still on the loose

So many dangling plotlines that are just left hanging.

[Sean Whitmore]

Except Austin isn't Finn. I know that for a fact.


Hmm, that does raise a quandry. Does this Finn fellow deserve the flak for this issue, or was the poor guy stuck following Austen's outlines? Because I keep rereading Gog's origin and I simply don't get it.


SEAN

[kane]

The issue is very good and shows how good and interessting superman can be.

[Yoda]

Because I keep rereading Gog's origin and I simply don't get it.

SEAN

Stop. Your head is going to explode. Put the book down and console yourself with the knowledge that Gail Simone is taking over the book in May. Over time the last twelve issues will fade from memory and all will be right in the world again.

[mgs]

I found the whole issue to be odd, I did like when doomsday came to the 'rescue' tho, and it was kinda sad seeing that he changed into a good character, then, with the knowledge that to save superman and his family and the world, he knew he would have to become, the monster, again.

that whole thing with many supes battling many gog's thing was, a bit much for one issue, imo.

[stealthwise]

I found the whole issue to be odd, I did like when doomsday came to the 'rescue' tho, and it was kinda sad seeing that he changed into a good character, then, with the knowledge that to save superman and his family and the world, he knew he would have to become, the monster, again.

Wtf?????? :confused:

[Sean Whitmore]

Wtf?????? :confused:


Doomsday is a big, cuddly-wuddly teddy bear at heart. You didn't get that memo?


SEAN

[stealthwise]

That's scary. Sure, he had no real character when Jurgens originally created him (and then explained his origins in Hunter/Prey, only to remove him from existence "forever"), but it was better than whatever the hell they've apparently done to him.

[Sean Whitmore]

That's scary. Sure, he had no real character when Jurgens originally created him (and then explained his origins in Hunter/Prey, only to remove him from existence "forever"), but it was better than whatever the hell they've apparently done to him.


I take it you won't be getting the Doomsday: Lethal Protector mini series then? ;)


SEAN

[stealthwise]

Haha, thanks for reminding me how badly Marvel mangled Venom. Maybe they'll make a spinoff character called BloodMurder or something. :)

[mgs]

Wtf?????? :confused:
sorry, should'a put spoilers on that one. forgot.

[TJ Shoun]

Fact remains , during Austen's run on Action , what storyline has been resolved ?

Doomsday is still on the loose
Gog is still on the loose
Preus is still on the loose

So many dangling plotlines that are just left hanging.

The theme here is that Superman is a force of redemption and salvation that rescues not only the innocent but the worst monsters among us.

It centers around the idea that Superman is, ultimately a savior figure to any and all of us. Beautiful.

And it was told very well.

So you'd have gotten more closure by seeing the bad guys go to jail in the end, or something like that. Fair enough.

Finn, Austen, Bush, Clinton, O'Neal, my mom... who cares who wrote it? It was a kickass 12 issues with great art. Sucks that this team is leaving.

If I had one teensy-weensy gripe, it's that Superman's costume isn't supposed to be torn ( except for his cape ) because Byrne established back in the 80's that he has a very thin protective auroroa around him that prevented stuff like that.

Man... that makes me sound a big nerdy fanboy, doesn't it?

Anyhow, great issue, great run. I was pleased. :)

[cactusmaac]

Yeah but the more physical punishment he takes, the more his aura is worn down and his clothing then becomes tearable.

[Sean Whitmore]

If I had one teensy-weensy gripe, it's that Superman's costume isn't supposed to be torn ( except for his cape ) because Byrne established back in the 80's that he has a very thin protective auroroa around him that prevented stuff like that.


Wow, I thought I was the only one besides Byrne who even remembered that. :)

But I always figured that when Superman was hurt enough that he could bleed or bruise, the protective aura diminished as well. I think it's only real function was so the artist didn't have to draw lots of little holes in the costume every time Supes got shot. :)


SEAN

[Zero Hunter]

All I can say is that this was the first time I have enjoyed a long Supermen run in many many years. It was just good to read a fun Superman book again. I might stay on for the first few issues of Gails run just to see if it is any good, but I am honeslty going to miss Austen (and I have hated everything I have ever read from Austen except his exiles issues).

[CodeMonkey]

As usualy, we get a story that tries to be great, but ultimately resets everything back to the way it was before the story arc happened for a net effect of nothing.

Doomsday suddenly becomes a hero, simply because he can start feeling emotions and sees Superman sacrifice himself? Sure....

The concept of the Army of Supermen who formed in tribute to his last stand was a nice enough concept, as was Gog torturing Superman and trying to break him.

But again, nothing really innovative or new, and has no overall effect on the Superman series or Mythos.

[Sean Whitmore]

The Army of Supermen seemed a little dumb to me. Without a kryptonite weakness, is there any reason Doomsday or Captain Marvel or Wonder Woman or Dr. Fate or Green Lantern (and so on and so forth) couldn't defeat Gog?

That wasn't the dumbest thing about the issue, but it stood out.


SEAN

[cactusmaac]

As usualy, we get a story that tries to be great, but ultimately resets everything back to the way it was before the story arc happened for a net effect of nothing.

Doomsday suddenly becomes a hero, simply because he can start feeling emotions and sees Superman sacrifice himself? Sure....

The concept of the Army of Supermen who formed in tribute to his last stand was a nice enough concept, as was Gog torturing Superman and trying to break him.

But again, nothing really innovative or new, and has no overall effect on the Superman series or Mythos.

Doomsday eventually became a hero. Where do you get the suddenly from?

And this is comics. Lack of substantive change is a rarity at best.

[cactusmaac]

The Army of Supermen seemed a little dumb to me. Without a kryptonite weakness, is there any reason Doomsday or Captain Marvel or Wonder Woman or Dr. Fate or Green Lantern (and so on and so forth) couldn't defeat Gog?

That wasn't the dumbest thing about the issue, but it stood out.


SEAN

We don't know how long the gap was between the battle with the League and Gog and his fight with Superman. It could have been a few decades in the future and given that Gog said he conquered the world, it's presumable he wiped out all the other DC heroes too since most of them (including WW) were KO'd around Metropolis before he confronted Superman.

[ducktales]

I havent read regular Superman comics since the Death and Reign of the Supermen storylines in the early nineties. With the revamp last year, I picked up all three titles, AOS, S, and AC. Honestly, the most exciting comic of the three for me was Action. Its the one that really got me excited waiting for the next issue. Gog popped in out of nowhere, and then Doomsday was shown wandering the countryside; these are great villains, and they made for some thrilling scenes. It was also really cool seeing Superboy in the stories. This past year was filled with a ton of action and excitement for me, combined with great art by Ivan Reis. Superman is my favorite character in comics, and Im glad that the DC folks provided a little different perspective on him in each of his titles. Ive never really read Gail Simone, but Im looking forward to seeing what she does with the title.

[Sean Whitmore]

We don't know how long the gap was between the battle with the League and Gog and his fight with Superman. It could have been a few decades in the future and given that Gog said he conquered the world, it's presumable he wiped out all the other DC heroes too since most of them (including WW) were KO'd around Metropolis before he confronted Superman.


I wonder what happened to Batman's plan to "beam the whole damn mess into the Phantom Zone"?


SEAN

[stealthwise]

sorry, should'a put spoilers on that one. forgot.

Oh, no worries, I wasn't worried about that, more that it just sounded completely ridiculous.

[cactusmaac]

I wonder what happened to Batman's plan to "beam the whole damn mess into the Phantom Zone"?


SEAN

He and Martian Manhunter may have been killed in the explosion.

In any event his plan didn't work.

[HartyPotter]

I enjoyed the issue. A bit convoluted, but good stuff. I was wondering how they were going to resolve the storyline, and even though we have to suspend our belief a few times, it was a nice ending.

[marshal99]

Nice ending ? What has been resolved actually ??!

Nothing it seems have been resolved .
Doomsday still at large
Gog still at large
Preus still at large

[Justin D.]

Nice ending ? What has been resolved actually ??!

Nothing it seems have been resolved .
Doomsday still at large
Gog still at large
Preus still at large

How are Gog and Doomsday still at large? They said it was because of Superman's ability to hold onto a moral belief that they changed. If they're no longer the villains they were before, then how can they still be "at large"? Even it was ghost-penned by Austen, which I don't know for sure, and I don't care for his writing much, I still really liked this issue. There are a lot of writers who don't wrap up everything at the end of every story. We don't always attack them. Hell, sometimes we praise them for leaving stories open-ended so the readers aren't spoon-fed.

[Sean Whitmore]

Even if they are all "at large", I don't see a problem with that. What's the alternative, killing them all? Sending Doomsday off to Apokolips again? Putting all three of them in jail, where they'll just break out again the very second a future writer wants to use them?


SEAN

[marshal99]

How are Gog and Doomsday still at large? They said it was because of Superman's ability to hold onto a moral belief that they changed. If they're no longer the villains they were before, then how can they still be "at large"? Even it was ghost-penned by Austen, which I don't know for sure, and I don't care for his writing much, I still really liked this issue. There are a lot of writers who don't wrap up everything at the end of every story. We don't always attack them. Hell, sometimes we praise them for leaving stories open-ended so the readers aren't spoon-fed.

"They said it was because of Superman's ability to hold onto a moral belief that they changed."
U do know that it's the future version of Gog & Doomsday that said that ? Not the current timeline Gog & Doomsday.

Even if they are all "at large", I don't see a problem with that. What's the alternative, killing them all? Sending Doomsday off to Apokolips again? Putting all three of them in jail, where they'll just break out again the very second a future writer wants to use them?


SEAN

Except for the fact that from the very first issue by Austen to his last , they have concentrated on the storyline that Doomsday has escaped from Darkseid and is free on earth and dangerous. A lot of the Austen issues have actually been concentrated on that fact.

[HartyPotter]

Nice ending ? What has been resolved actually ??!

Nothing it seems have been resolved .
Doomsday still at large
Gog still at large
Preus still at large

Which means they escaped to fight another day, just like in olden days. Why does every fight have to end in a death? Sometimes, it's enough that the superhero foiled the plans/made an impact to protect everyone else, and that's still a victory.

[marshal99]

Which means they escaped to fight another day, just like in olden days. Why does every fight have to end in a death? Sometimes, it's enough that the superhero foiled the plans/made an impact to protect everyone else, and that's still a victory.

Yes , so it isn't really a nice ending. A confusing crap ending , yes but nice ending , think not. :)
It isn't that superman foiled the plans , superman has absolutely nothing to do with it. For some crappy reason , the future "heroic" Doomsday & Gog changed the plans of the present and foiled the present day Gog. How did it happened ? I don't know , only Austen can give the answer.

[TJ Shoun]

Yes , so it isn't really a nice ending. A confusing crap ending , yes but nice ending , think not. :)
It isn't that superman foiled the plans , superman has absolutely nothing to do with it. For some crappy reason , the future "heroic" Doomsday & Gog changed the plans of the present and foiled the present day Gog. How did it happened ? I don't know , only Austen can give the answer.

The ending was simple.

The future Gog is inspired by Superman's strength of conviction and goes back to change things.

So ultimately, yes, Supes was responsible for the victory.

[Thondred]

I quit this run about half way through because I really couldn't stand that Preus character. And now, after hearing the end result, I'm very happy that I quit. I cannot believe that Doomsday is changed into a hero. This was a character that was a true force for a while, someone who Superman actually needed help to defeat. Unfortunately he was made too powerful with the ability to evolve past what defeated him. Had they left that part out, or have it reach its limit, Doomsday could have been a very powerful Superman enemy. Lets face it, Superman needs better foes. Other than Lex Luthor, how many really stand out? Now that they have done away with Doomsday and Gog, how many interesting villains of Superman are left?

[Sean Whitmore]

I cannot believe that Doomsday is changed into a hero. This was a character that was a true force for a while, someone who Superman actually needed help to defeat. Unfortunately he was made too powerful with the ability to evolve past what defeated him. Had they left that part out, or have it reach its limit, Doomsday could have been a very powerful Superman enemy.


I dunno, I kinda stopped seeing Doomsday as a real threat the second Superman knocked him out with one good punch in that one Loeb story. :)


SEAN

[chriskenny]

This comic was horrendous.

There were ay too many villains in the book and dthey have nothing to do with each other. Throwing every powerful villain at Superman at once isn't a compelling story to me, especially when none of the villains get the time or development they deserve.

The plot doesn't make any sense whatsoever. Batman talks about these Doomsday Protocols--why the hell don't they intiate the protocol right in the beginning of trouble? Why would Martian Manhunter and Batman sit on a building top and watch an entire city be decimated by an army of Gogs and the surprise appearance of Doomsday and think to only use a Phantom Zone teleporter as a last resort? They are standing RIGHT NEXT TO THE SOLUTION TO THIS CONFLICT? HOW FREAKING DUMB CAN THIS COMIC GET? Fighting them in the middle of a city should be the last resort, not the other way around! It was so stupid and counter to common sense, it was like a middle schooler wrote the script.

Doomsday shows up for two pages to beat up Gog and it led nowhere. All this build up to him showing up and this is what we get? What the hell?

I did appreciate the idea that Doomsday's newfound emotions could potentially lead to him being a disciple of Superman, but I felt that the story was not explored nearly as much as should have been. A good idea is a good idea, but within the confines of limited space and a stupid story, it just dies on the vine.

The ending was silly and muddled. What was the purpose of Preus? He showed up, did some randomly evil things with little or no motivation, fought Superman for an issue, and then escaped??? What the hell? What was the point? What direction was he taking that subplot in? Was it going anywhere at all? The Repo Man bit was such a waste, too! I mean, what a bunch of garbage.

Someone mentioned that Gog and Doomsday saw the error of their ways and so are not "at large." Well, those were the future versions of those characters. Doomsday was only aiding Superman because he wanted the pleasure of killing him. Gog and Doomsday of the present day still loath Superman and wish for his death. It is the their future selves that count themselves as his allies.

I felt like the previous issues were so boring... as if Superman punches things numerous times was somehow compelling. But it isn't. This issue had some good ideas that could have been expanded and explored in a more coherent story.... the alternate future where Superman dies, a reformed Doomsday, etc. However, the comic was just rushing toward a resolution after issue upon issue of worthless, needless fighting (a full issue of Superman fighting Repo Man but we don't get so much of a conversation between Doomsday and Superman... what a rip!).

[Captain Smith]

This is an old thread but I must agree with the last post. The issue was a total muddle.

When Supes is saved by Doomsday in Superman Underoos and at the end Gog is still smirking - nothing was resolved. I thought it was just a mess.

[Dante]

Resolution is for whinning girls!

I thought the whole thing was great. Even without resolution.

Dante

[ohmygosh]

Resolution is for whinning girls!

I thought the whole thing was great. Even without resolution.

Dante

The whole of Chuck Austen arc has been about Doomsday being free out there , from the first to the last issue. Without a resolution , it's all so entirely pointless , without a resolution , what's the purpose of the storyline ?
Think of it as a movie , imagine u go and watch a mission impossible movie , some bad guy is loose and has a powerful weapon , tom cruise tries to find and stop him but ultimately at the end , he couldn't and the bad guy just escape easily. Movie ends. How would u feel ? U would feel cheated because there's no payoff , no resolution at all and so utterly pointless.

[PatrickG]

So WAS Finn in fact Eddie Berganza as Austen has suggested?