The Ultimate Warrior Was And Still Is The Most Physically Strongest Wrestler Ever

[Above Omnipotence]

He has picked up and held Andre The Giant over his head. He can/used to bench-press near 800 lbs. There's no wrestlers that's physically stronger than him. The only ones that would probably come close to having his strength are probably Batista, Big Papa Pump, Mark Henry, and Animal(Road Warriors/Legion Of Doom). Anyone here thinks they can prove me wrong? Post up links for proof.

[Donald Stone]

Ah, yeah, right. And Undertaker has come back from the dead a few times to.

[Crinos]

...? :confused:

[Chou Blaster]

And this wa sthe topic that sent my RP thread to the third page.

CBR ha sbecome Bendized or soemthing around here.

[Scorpion13]

There is no goddamn way in hell the Ultimate Warrior ever gorilla pressed Andre the Giant.

And he was a pussy. Ravishing Rick Rude knocked him out in one punch when UW started crap in the locker room.

And you want insanity? Read his comic book.

[Gaz]

There is no goddamn way in hell the Ultimate Warrior ever gorilla pressed Andre the Giant.

And he was a pussy. Ravishing Rick Rude knocked him out in one punch when UW started crap in the locker room.

And you want insanity? Read his comic book.
In all fairness, Lesnar could toss Paul Wight around, worked or not that's still pretty impressive. And Warrior looked in similar shape, if due to different means(or not)

[ShadowWarrior]

And he was a pussy. Ravishing Rick Rude knocked him out in one punch when UW started crap in the locker room.


Can you post a link to prove this? I find this hard to believe.

[Knightosis]

He has picked up and held Andre The Giant over his head. He can/used to bench-press near 800 lbs. There's no wrestlers that's physically stronger than him. The only ones that would probably come close to having his strength are probably Batista, Big Papa Pump, Mark Henry, and Animal(Road Warriors/Legion Of Doom). Anyone here thinks they can prove me wrong? Post up links for proof.

Mark Henry is damn well stronger than Ultimate Warrior. And I'm willing to
bet that Scott Steiner is stronger as well, not to mention that Andre is
stronger than UW.

You don't know what you're talking about.

[TomGun13]

Personally I HIGHLY doubt that the Warrior pressed Andre over his head. I mean seriously that's a 7'5, 500+ human being. If it was dead weight I would still have a problem with it.

Hulk Hogan once said in an interview he was worried about Andre at WMIII. Cause it was essentially up to Andre if Hogan would go over that night.

[Hiromi]

Hollywood Hogan beat him so blah

[Andross]

As Scorpion13 put it, the Ultimate Warrior has never gorilla pressed or even body slammed Andre the Giant. Whether he could or not is an entirely different matter, but since he hasn't then one can't consider it a feat. When the Ultimate Warrior wrestled the Earthquake he was able to body slam him, but he did not gorilla press him. Earthquake was pretty heavy weighing in at 468 pounds, but Andre was clearly heavier than even him.

As far as his bench pressing skills I have never seen none, so I have no idea about that. As far as people the Ultimate Warrior body slammed the Earthquake was the largest person I remember, and as far as the largest person he gorilla pressed was Hulk Hogan when he weighed 303 pounds, but the he was struggling a bit when he did that, but it should also be noted that they fought for over 25 minutes by that time.

Looking by the Ultimate Warrior and the biggest person he has slammed in wrestling does not put him on a level with others in terms of body slamming strength. Hulk Hogan was able to body slam Andre the Giant at Wrestlemania 3 when he weighed 525 pounds and once more at Wrestlemaina 4 when he weighed in at 575 pounds. Lex Luger was also able to body slam Yokozuna when he weighed in at 550 pounds, 568 pounds and 584 pounds. Ahmed Johnson was able to body slam Yokozuna when he weighed in at 641 pounds. Goldberg was able to Jackhammer the 500 pound Big Show and Brock Lesner was able to F-5 the Big Show at the 500 pound mark, as was Kevin Nash able to Power Bomb the near 500 pound Big Show. All of these above rank higher than the Ultimate Warrior.

[Flawless P]

Can you post a link to prove this? I find this hard to believe.
Watch Royal Rumble 91' he got owned.

[Hiromi]

Kevin Nash was barely able to Jack Hammer him, it turned out looking more like a pile driver(which is why it hurt The Giant/Big Show's neck so badly where generally it hits the back instead). Goldberg also Jackhammered that big guy from Raven's flock.

[Xombie]

There is that guy that is strong enough to hold a jet from taking off.

[CDTM]

There is no goddamn way in hell the Ultimate Warrior ever gorilla pressed Andre the Giant.

And he was a pussy. Ravishing Rick Rude knocked him out in one punch when UW started crap in the locker room.

And you want insanity? Read his comic book.

You have no idea how many "haha" moments this got on an old and now dead ECW message board, which was part of "The Extreme Icons Ultimate ECW Website".

Man, there were fanfics galore with Hellwig doing his shtich to an incredilous Vinny Mac, off camera, like he really believed his own press. Which all accounts point to this being more truth then fiction ^_^;

We basically made fun of everything too, my favorite being Vince telling the writers to just go with a main event between the two most over characters, whoever they were. Turns out that was Socko and Head... :D

And hillarity ensues: "Socko vs Head"!

[Flawless P]

GO SOCKO KICK HIS A$$ get that wimp, madible em' mandible em'

[Above Omnipotence]

I didn't say that Ultimate Warrior gorilla-pressed Andre The Giant. I said he picked him up over his head, NOT gorilla-pressing. The feats that some of you guys have listed are nothing compared to the Ultimate Warrior. None of those guys that was listed are stronger than The Ultimate Warrior. I see alot of posts but, still no links.

[Sharcque]

There is that guy that is strong enough to hold a jet from taking off.
LMAO! :D

UW never slammed Andre. He attempted several times, but never did it. Even the famous Hogan slam at WM3 took a jumping Andre to make that happen....

[Sadyv]

Warrior never slammed Andre, and never benched 800 pounds. Lets see some proof of these ridiculous claims.

And besides, Royce Gracie can probably only bench his own body weight, but if he fought the Ultimate Warrior, he could quite literally kill him.

[XPac]

Warrior was more a body builder type than a power lifter.

The strongest wrestler was obviously Mark Henry, who could make a legitimate claim to being the strongest man in the world (even though I don't think at his peak he was). He's got legit world records and has won actually power lifting contensts.

[Infinity Chameleon]

I didn't say that Ultimate Warrior gorilla-pressed Andre The Giant. I said he picked him up over his head, NOT gorilla-pressing.

Isn't that what gorilla-pressing IS? It's been years since I followed pro wrestling but I think I still remember at least that much.

[VCreed32]

The only time I'd say Paul Wight was any where near 500 was when he got F-5ed.

[Shem the Penman]

Isn't that what gorilla-pressing IS? It's been years since I followed pro wrestling but I think I still remember at least that much.

Yeah. A gorilla press (aka military press) involves picking your opponent up and holding him parallel to the ground, over your head, with arms extended. UW's usual finisher was a gorilla press slam.

[VCreed32]

Isn't that what gorilla-pressing IS? It's been years since I followed pro wrestling but I think I still remember at least that much.
Not necessarily. Gorilla/Military pressing is with arms extended upwards.
A simple fireman's carry or body slam could be called lifting over the head.
Jim Warrior did neither of those to Andre though.

[Howard Allan]

Warrior was more a body builder type than a power lifter.

The strongest wrestler was obviously Mark Henry, who could make a legitimate claim to being the strongest man in the world (even though I don't think at his peak he was). He's got legit world records and has won actually power lifting contensts.

I disagree. Bill Kazmier is the strongest wrestler ever. He won the world strongman title 3 years in a row. Put Henry or any other wrestler in that competition and they get destroyed. No one else could even make it into that competition.

[VCreed32]

I think we're talking about actual prowrestlers though, not people that just did it as a side foray.

[StoneGold]

As Scorpion13 put it, the Ultimate Warrior has never gorilla pressed or even body slammed Andre the Giant. Whether he could or not is an entirely different matter, but since he hasn't then one can't consider it a feat. When the Ultimate Warrior wrestled the Earthquake he was able to body slam him, but he did not gorilla press him. Earthquake was pretty heavy weighing in at 468 pounds, but Andre was clearly heavier than even him.

As far as his bench pressing skills I have never seen none, so I have no idea about that. As far as people the Ultimate Warrior body slammed the Earthquake was the largest person I remember, and as far as the largest person he gorilla pressed was Hulk Hogan when he weighed 303 pounds, but the he was struggling a bit when he did that, but it should also be noted that they fought for over 25 minutes by that time.

Looking by the Ultimate Warrior and the biggest person he has slammed in wrestling does not put him on a level with others in terms of body slamming strength. Hulk Hogan was able to body slam Andre the Giant at Wrestlemania 3 when he weighed 525 pounds and once more at Wrestlemaina 4 when he weighed in at 575 pounds. Lex Luger was also able to body slam Yokozuna when he weighed in at 550 pounds, 568 pounds and 584 pounds. Ahmed Johnson was able to body slam Yokozuna when he weighed in at 641 pounds. Goldberg was able to Jackhammer the 500 pound Big Show and Brock Lesner was able to F-5 the Big Show at the 500 pound mark, as was Kevin Nash able to Power Bomb the near 500 pound Big Show. All of these above rank higher than the Ultimate Warrior.
Keep in mind, all those were their listed wrestling weights. God only knows how much they actually weighed. Just saying, since Andre was never anywhere near the 7'4" they had him listed as.

[marshal99]

Warrior at his WWF peak was scary , a real freak with veins popping out from his huge biceps and arms . When he came back later for his 2nd spell with the company , he was visibly much smaller and frankly looked like he shrunk.

[StoneGold]

Warrior at his WWF peak was scary , a real freak with veins popping out from his huge biceps and arms . When he came back later for his 2nd spell with the company , he was visibly much smaller and frankly looked like he shrunk.
It's called steroids. Or lack thereof.

[Genma:TheDestroyer]

There is no goddamn way in hell the Ultimate Warrior ever gorilla pressed Andre the Giant.

And he was a pussy. Ravishing Rick Rude knocked him out in one punch when UW started crap in the locker room.


Heh, and Papa Shango used a spell to start making him puke his guts up in the locker rooms.


UW doesn't do too well when something happens nearby lockers.

[Sadyv]

I believe the Big Show's highest weight was 483 pounds. Andre was over 400 as well, but no where near 7'5. In his physical prime, he was just a shade under 7 feet tall, but his body deteriorated, and later on his standing heigth was about 6'9.

[Bruceleehulk]

Mark Henry's best powerlifts are

Squat: 954lbs

Brench Press: 529lbs

Dead Lift: 903lbs

[Alex]

I noticed no one has mentioned the important thing.
Warrior is now insane, and legaly change dhis name to Warrior.

[CDTM]

I believe the Big Show's highest weight was 483 pounds. Andre was over 400 as well, but no where near 7'5. In his physical prime, he was just a shade under 7 feet tall, but his body deteriorated, and later on his standing heigth was about 6'9.

I kind of figured Monsoons 7'5 figure was trumped up....

[LibrarianThorne]

Andre was a legit 7'0" before back surgery, which reduced his height to 6'9".

Just saw the Hogan/Rock match from WMX8. Goddamn, I miss Hulkamania. Any shot of the Hulkster coming back and showing these wannabes what a real face is?

[CDTM]

Andre was a legit 7'0" before back surgery, which reduced his height to 6'9".

Just saw the Hogan/Rock match from WMX8. Goddamn, I miss Hulkamania. Any shot of the Hulkster coming back and showing these wannabes what a real face is?

I barely follow anymore, but I don't think he's coming back, 'least not to WWE.

That Rock/Hogan things classic, in big part because of how the crowd sharply turned on Rocky.

He had a nice little match with Jericho on Raw, and took on Lesner too, but he didn't really dominate either, and in fact dropped the Lesner one.

But one of my favorites had Hogan, Nash and Hall against Austin and Rock. Just awesome seeing Austin and Hogan face off, and the whole thing ended with a Hogan legdrop on Rock that won the match.

[Leslie Lee III]

I guees he could be that strong since he obviously spent no time on cardio, or wrestling training. He'd get winded running to the ring, and lost after a couple of minutes in it.

[eJm]

Andre was a legit 7'0" before back surgery, which reduced his height to 6'9".

Just saw the Hogan/Rock match from WMX8. Goddamn, I miss Hulkamania. Any shot of the Hulkster coming back and showing these wannabes what a real face is?
Well, he's getting inducted into the Hall of Fame at Wrestlemania.

Which I thought wouldn't have happened for,what, another few years?

[Aubergine~!]

I noticed no one has mentioned the important thing.
Warrior is now insane, and legaly change dhis name to Warrior.

Yeah, I've been to his website and it was pretty much all insane rambling. Funny insane rambling, but insane rambling nonetheless. He's pretty much a poster boy for what steroids can do to your head.

[TomGun13]

Kevin Nash was barely able to Jack Hammer him, it turned out looking more like a pile driver(which is why it hurt The Giant/Big Show's neck so badly where generally it hits the back instead). Goldberg also Jackhammered that big guy from Raven's flock.

And then Goldberg got tooled backstage by Jericho!

[Above Omnipotence]

LOL I still see that nobody here has posted any links to prove me wrong.

[TomGun13]

LOL I still see that nobody here has posted any links to prove me wrong.

LOL Post something to prove yourself right. Then we will listen to your arguement.

[Gaz]

LOL I still see that nobody here has posted any links to prove me wrong.
Referencing actual events by date is just as valid.

[Greg Hatcher]

You know, a thread basically daring everyone to argue with you is bad enough, but if you're going to get testy about HOW people respond, I'm just going to close it.

[VCreed32]

I noticed no one has mentioned the important thing.
Warrior is now insane, and legaly change dhis name to Warrior.
Yeah, that's why I called him JIm Warrior.

[Dennis K]

Warrior Is Burning ... coming to ESPN2

[Howard Allan]

I think we're talking about actual prowrestlers though, not people that just did it as a side foray.


Kazmier was in the wrestling game as long as warrior was. If you discount Kazmier you have to discount warrior as well.

[Leslie Lee III]

Kazmier was in the wrestling game as long as warrior was. If you discount Kazmier you have to discount warrior as well.

Sounds like a good idea if there ever was one.

[VCreed32]

Kazmier was in the wrestling game as long as warrior was. If you discount Kazmier you have to discount warrior as well.
It's so tempting, isn't it?

[Howard Allan]

It's so tempting, isn't it?

So true. Kazmier was in Stampede wrestling for a few years so he probably faced tougher competition than warrior as well. Stampede had the best wrestlers for many years and the competition in Stampede wrestling was top notch.

[VCreed32]

Argh, begone vile temptress.

[Captain_Video]

I used to be a HUGE warrior fan as a kid and so I still have a copy of the Colleseum Video tape dedicated to The Ultimate Warrior and I can confirm that the Ultimate Warrior has indeed slammed Andre the giant, it was not a gorilla press but it was a slam, just like Hogans, I know that there is no way for me to prove these but if you are that way inclined pick up the old Warrior video tape from Colleseum Video, I presume it was released in the U.S the slam happened.

Andre lost the match via a count out.

Also on the same video is the hilarious Weasel suit match with Heenan.


Aaaah memories.

[Bright-Raven]

I dunno if Warrior was the strongest or not... some of those guys like Duke The Dumpster Drosey and the Brooklyn Brawler had to stink pretty badly... :D

[Bruceleehulk]

http://www.mcshane-enterprises.com/WSL/champs.html


http://www.mcshane-enterprises.com/ASL/kaz.html

http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/issues/2000-03-02/feature2.html

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[eJm]

Warrior Is Burning ... coming to ESPN2
I was just thinking that would be a sweet name for a music album.





Wait............

[berk]

Wasn't there an Australian guy who was a former World's Strongest Man (or some similar competetion) champion appearing on the WWE shows a few years ago? Not too long, maybe 2 or 3 years ago

[Shem the Penman]

Wasn't there an Australian guy who was a former World's Strongest Man (or some similar competetion) champion appearing on the WWE shows a few years ago? Not too long, maybe 2 or 3 years ago

Are you thinking of Nathan Jones?

[marshal99]

I do believe Nathan Jones did compete in the world's strongest man competition but i don't believe he won.

[Alex]

Yeah, that's why I called him JIm Warrior.
If i ever met him, id call him that, and then run 20 feet.
No way could he catch me!

[berk]

Yes, Nathan Jones was the guy. I imagine he would have been stronger than anyone at the time outside of Mark Henry. I think that, pound-for-pound, Kurt Angle would be one of the strongest. Olympic wrestlers are incredibly strong for their body mass.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

The Ultimate Warrior has a ton of negatives and positives. I'll list the positives 1st.



1. Monster Face: The Warrior emerged In the late 80's as a rival to Hulk Hogan's popularity. His whole act had Kids Intriqued and how he would snarl , spit and shake the ropes In furious Warrior anger.

Goldberg would copy his act , as Batista has copied some mannerism from them. Warrior could pull you Into his Matches at times with his lookin at his hands and questioning his God. The little Warriors would fuel him and his Impact lead to a WWF Title win , cleanly over Hulk Hogan.

That was one hell of an achievment for a wrestler to beat Hogan cleanly. Hulk even achnowlodged It and shook his hand and pretty much passed the torch.


2. Quallity of Wrestlers: Warrior beat Andre , Rick Rude , Henning and Hogan. Its enough that he should go Into a WWE Hall of Fame at some point. Warrior's fued with Rude was a hot mid-card fued that featured Rick Rude capturing the IC Title from him as Warrior would avenge that loss later.

I have never seen Warrior slam or press Andre. The only one who I have ever seen body slam Andre was Hulk Hogan. That was at Wrestlemania 3. I did see Warrior Gorilla Press Bossman and Akeem at times In the late 80's.


Now these are the negatives.

Bad Interview skills: Warrior never cut a promo where you understood where he was going or what the hell he meant. In fact watch a Warrior promo from 1988 and then hit the FF Button and go to 1991. Did It change at all any from his snarlin , spitting and questioning the mighty Warrior God ?

I remember In a WCW Magazine a few years back that Gene Okerland said he hated Interviewing Warrior because he really didn't know how to respond back to the garabge Warrior would scream out.

Hell ya can tell Gene looked uncormforttable Interviewin him.

The lack of mic ability helped lead to his downfall as well because kids grow up. The Warrior never did. He was an 8 yearold kids dream. But at 15 the kids had enough and wanted Warrior to grow or do somethin else. Warrior tried changing....to Jungle Warrior and all. But by 1993 It was all over.


Backstage Behavior: If Hellwig didn't get his way he'd quit. This happened a few times In the WWF In the early 1990's. Finally Vince McMahon let him stay home so he wouldn't cause choas backstage.

In 1996 he came back and went over HHH In 30 seconds pretty clean fashion at Wrestlemania. Then he and McMahon got Into an arguement and he quit again.

Finally In 1998 WCW decided to sign him , not realizing he wasn't altogethor sane at this point. Hogan urged the signing since he felt him and Warrior could do huge business and they never had a rematch from 1990.

Someone should have stopped It. Warrior would proceede to cut the same exact promo for 3 weeks of Nitro and show up at the PPV In pretty blown up fashion. The spots were so bad , WCW Fans turned against It. A Spot with Hogan and a fireball was botched and quick thinkin had Hogan go over with Warrior takin a chair shot.

We were saved from seeing Warrior's classics repeated on Nitro..even though he was signed for so many Nitro's and 3 to 4 PPV's.


Not a Great Wrestler: Name a Warrior Match besides the Hogan one . You can't because he wasn't at all a good wrestler. He got a lotta help from Henning and Rude.

But Warrior was a face monster who just didn't have It In him to work long matches. He'd get wore down and blow spots like the Hogan affair In 1998.

The WWE plans to put out a 2 Disc Warrior DVD so I'm happy some fans of his will be able to enjoy It. But don't expect some classic highlights beyond him shakin the ropes and lookin at his hands and yellin.." Too meee my Warriors Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr"

[GremlinClr]

The lack of mic ability helped lead to his downfall as well because kids grow up. The Warrior never did. He was an 8 yearold kids dream. But at 15 the kids had enough and wanted Warrior to grow or do somethin else. Warrior tried changing....to Jungle Warrior and all. But by 1993 It was all over.




Exactly. I was a huge Warrior mark back then…until I grew up. Now I just look back at the old stuff and wonder how he got so over. He was pretty worthless in the ring and on the mic. I'm suprised adults didn't laugh him outta the building.

[TomGun13]

http://www.mcshane-enterprises.com/WSL/champs.html


http://www.mcshane-enterprises.com/ASL/kaz.html

http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/issues/2000-03-02/feature2.html

http://www.arnoldsstrongestman.com/2002%20Results.htm

http://www.mcshane-enterprises.com/ASL/reinhoudt.html

http://www.mcshane-enterprises.com/ASL/hatfield.html

http://www.mcshane-enterprises.com/ASL/davis.html

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What about Magnus ver Magnersson??? 4X WSM winner.

[Howard Allan]

What about Magnus ver Magnersson??? 4X WSM winner.


I thought Magnus was a 7 time winner. He dominated WSM as much as Kaz did.

[Aubergine~!]

My favorite Warrior memory is this promo for what was probably some 6-man tag match. It was Hogan-Warrior-Savage against whoever.

Hogan started ranting about his Hulkamaniacs, Warrior started ranting about his warriors, Mach just stood there.

Mach never got enough respect.

The Mega-Powers were awesome though.

[TomGun13]

I thought Magnus was a 7 time winner. He dominated WSM as much as Kaz did.

Maybe I misread his site. Could be. Even still pretty impressive whether its 4 or 7.

[Above Omnipotence]

Magnus Samuelson is strong as hell.

[params7]

has there even been a guy, who has defeated the 2 most well known wrestlers under one night one show ? Yes! And he lives in my sig :p

Ultimate warrior was just as good a mediocre Billy Gunn today (although i think Billy Gunn is just a lil' bit better entertainer)

[sgt.candy]

hes also a racist homophobe who makes up his own words

LMAO destrucity LMAO

[Dennis K]

Val Venis gave the Ultimate Warrior a dirty sanchez.

[Above Omnipotence]

Even though, Nathan Jones wasn't positioned correctly for the arm wrestling match in '95, Magnus Samuelsson broke Nathan's arm during the match. Nathan Jones was ripping prison cell doors from its hinges. You have to be EXTREMELY STRONG to break Nathan's arm in an arm wrestling match.

[JohnPopa]

Masked Superstar slammed Andre in Mid Atlantic wrestling. Andre and Eadie were close friends, in fact, Andre was the only reason Eadie went to WWF -- as a favor to his friend. Andre let his friends slam him, mostly. Inoki did it. Baba may have.

Neither Hennig nor Flair had much luck getting passable matches out of Warrior. Rude and Savage fared better. Savage basically danced with a broomstick. Rude just figured out a way to do it that nobody else could.

Hogan just wanted his win back when Warrior came to WCW. There's always been the joke that Hogan was going to take a ref to Yokozuna's grave, lay on the ground and have the ref count three so he could get that win back too.

[Slappy san]

My favorite Warrior memory is this promo for what was probably some 6-man tag match. It was Hogan-Warrior-Savage against whoever.

Hogan started ranting about his Hulkamaniacs, Warrior started ranting about his warriors, Mach just stood there.

Mach never got enough respect.

The Mega-Powers were awesome though.

LOL

*tearing up*

that is just funny as hell thing to picture.

[marshal99]

Even though, Nathan Jones wasn't positioned correctly for the arm wrestling match in '95, Magnus Samuelsson broke Nathan's arm during the match. Nathan Jones was ripping prison cell doors from its hinges. You have to be EXTREMELY STRONG to break Nathan's arm in an arm wrestling match.

He didn't actually ripped the cell door , he kicked the door down. Strong legs he has.

Old WWE interview with Nathan ...

Jones: It was one day that the prison officers were all on strike. We were sitting in there and it was becoming (unbearable). We hadn't had breakfast; we hadn't had lunch. It was the middle of the day and we were all sweaty. I got pissed. Everyone was banging on his cell doors trying to break out, so I started kicking the cell door. Next thing, the thing started coming off the hinges. I got out. I thought, "I'm hungry." I went straight to the kitchen. I broke into the kitchen (and) I took a whole heap of food. I went back to the guys in the cells and I started feeding them through the holes in the cells. Then I went back and took a whole heap more food with me.

WWE.com: Is that the only time you ever broke a cell door?

Jones: Well, you know, once I realized I could do it, I started to use it to manipulate the system and get what I wanted. I wanted a special diet (and) I wanted a double ration -- because there wasn't enough food. They did adapt. They started to reinforce the cell doors. But I managed to kick off about a dozen cell doors in my time in my prison (and smash) armor-plated glass with my fist (laughs) -- it was supposedly armor-plated, but I kept on hitting it and kicking it until it caved in.

WWE.com: So how do they keep you in prison if you can literally break down the doors?

Jones: Well, I used it as a bargaining chip to get what I want. I never really had intentions to escape. I could never hide. Here's a 6-foot-10 guy running through 2,000 people. You could see me for miles away. It was kind of a power thing too. It scared the s*** out of them, and I enjoyed it. (Laughs)

WWE.com: The inmates never really messed with you, did they?

Jones: Oh, there are some people who don't give a f***. They wouldn't normally come at you head-on unless you got in their way. But that happened a few times. We had disagreements a few times. And then you got some people -- because of my size -- that would try to stab me (or) hit me over the head with certain things. Stuff like that happens. But I managed to do all right, and come out on top most of the time.

WWE.com: The article also said that one time in a Tasmanian jail it took 10 officers to restrain you.

Jones: Yeah, that's about right. They gassed me and ran in with their batons and their shields and tackled me, and I was throwing them around. They had it all videotaped -- you should get the videotape if you want action! (Laughs)

WWE.com: Didn't it start a controversy in Tasmania over the use of gas?

Jones: Yeah, they started using knockout gas because it took so many prison guards to restrain me. (Laughs) But I wouldn't say much for the prison guards -- they weren't very fit or in very good condition, I'll tell you that now. It wasn't that big of a feat.

WWE.com: Why was it necessary for 10 prison guards to restrain you?

Jones: I think it had something to do with my size and strength.

WWE.com: Yeah, but I mean, why did they jump you? Were you going crazy or something?

Jones: I broke out of solitary confinement, and they had to try to subdue me. The first time, they used normal gas on me; it just made me more pissed. (Laughs) It made me angrier. It made my eyes burn; it made my throat burn. I said, "This doesn't make me feel like submitting to them at all. I want to hurt them now." So then they started using a different sort of gas -- gas designed to actually knock you unconscious. Because, you know, they didn't want to get hurt. Prison officers were getting hurt trying to subdue me. They were all so scared of me -- a lot of them were sitting outside going, "You go in! I'm not going in first!" Because they knew the first guy that came in was going to get his head taken off. (Laughs)

WWE.com: It's funny that you're laughing about it.

Jones: Well, you know, the reason why they locked me up in solitary confinement in the first place was just simply because of my size. I hadn't done anything wrong. I just wanted to be treated like a normal prisoner. But because of my size, they overreacted, had a knee-jerk reaction (and) stuck me in solitary. I objected to it. I didn't think it was right that I should be treated differently because of the way I look.

WWE.com: How did you wind up in a Tasmanian jail anyway?

Jones: I got captured down there.

WWE.com: So this didn't have anything to do with the armed robbery?

Jones: No, this was because of armed robbery. I committed eight armed robberies altogether -- two of them down in Tasmania. I remember I was in a bank drawing some money out. It wasn't hard. A couple of plainclothes police officers came up to me and asked me to come with them. I said, "No." One went to grab me. I grabbed him and threw him into a wall. The other guy looked at me, I looked at him, and he started running out the door. So I jumped the counter, went out the backdoor of the bank.

[BoosterBronze]

Nathan Jones was ridiculously strong, as evident in his World Strong Man competitions, and the way he chucked Spike Dudley around with one hand. I know Spike Dudly wanst big, but ONE HAND throws. I really wish Jones had a passion for the business.

But the strongest ever might very well be Big Show. The stories I hear about that guys super strength.

Oh yeah, and the title of this thread should be "THE MOST PHYSICALLY STRONG" not Strongest... not that I care about grammar, but watch out, because Warrior does, and if he sees improper conjugation in the title of a thread about him, he might unleash destrucity on all of us. Beware!

[Phoney Bone]

The only reason anyone has ever slammed Andre the Giant or the Big Show is because Andre and Show posted for them.

Rey Mysterio could bodyslam the Big Show... as long as Show posts properly.

[marshal99]

The only reason anyone has ever slammed Andre the Giant or the Big Show is because Andre and Show posted for them.

Rey Mysterio could bodyslam the Big Show... as long as Show posts properly.

Err, you would still need a certain amount of strength to do that because the wrestler doing the bodyslam have to be carrying the momentum through and still be able to carry the weight a bit. I would love to see Rey Mysterio try to bodyslam the big show , i imagine Rey would get squash half way through a slam. :D

[Kaiju]

Masked Superstar slammed Andre in Mid Atlantic wrestling. Andre and Eadie were close friends, in fact, Andre was the only reason Eadie went to WWF -- as a favor to his friend. Andre let his friends slam him, mostly. Inoki did it. Baba may have.


Kamala slammed him in Mid-South as well.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Theres a reason why Nathen Jones was kicking cell doors and pressing guys with one hand. He was taking massive amounts of steriods. In fact during his last WWA show against Jarrett , Jones was so on the juice that Jeff nearly decided to not do the match because he felt Jones would hurt him and himself during the match.

To get a WWE Development deal Jones flew over and once told people he was lacktating from his chest due to the massive amounts of rods he was on. Thats not a good thing at all.

Jones was such a bad wrestler everyone had jokes about how bad he was. One match on Smackdown had to be restarted 2 or 3 times due to miss kicks. Fans turned pretty quick on the guy. This led to them keeping him off Wrestlemania as well.

The WWE finally realized he maybe 6-10 and rod'ed like hell but he wasn't really worth the time.

[VCreed32]

I know he was roided, but I don't think they would have let him take them in jail.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

I know he was roided, but I don't think they would have let him take them in jail.


Jails have been known to be able to sneak nearly anything inside. I'm thinking Jones got the hook up there.

[VCreed32]

Or he could have already been juicing so much before he got locked up.

[sgt.candy]

too bad he cant wrestle his way out of a wet paper bag

[SUPERECWFAN1]

too bad he cant wrestle his way out of a wet paper bag


He can...all you need is to do a taped show and maybe 3 or 4 takes of him tryin to bust loose from the paper bag.

[sgt.candy]

He can...all you need is to do a taped show and maybe 3 or 4 takes of him tryin to bust loose from the paper bag.
his destrucity will help him out

[Jared]

I last saw Nathon Jones as the guy who got killed by Achilles at the beginning of Troy? Has he done anything since?

[Above Omnipotence]

I last saw Nathon Jones as the guy who got killed by Achilles at the beginning of Troy? Has he done anything since?

Nope.

Remember guys, Magnus Samuelsson broke Nathan's arm in an arm wrestling match.

[Phoney Bone]

Err, you would still need a certain amount of strength to do that because the wrestler doing the bodyslam have to be carrying the momentum through and still be able to carry the weight a bit. I would love to see Rey Mysterio try to bodyslam the big show , i imagine Rey would get squash half way through a slam. :D

Watch closley the next time someone is body slammed, especially a smaller guy slamming a bigger guy. Pay real close attention to where the hands are of the guy being slammed.

98 lb. weaklings body slam 300 pound guys all the time on crappy indy shows.
The reason they don't have guys like Rey slamming guys like Big Show is because it would expose the business even more than it already has... and it would just look stupid. :p

But, trust me on this, Rey can body slam Big Show.

[Phoney Bone]

I last saw Nathon Jones as the guy who got killed by Achilles at the beginning of Troy? Has he done anything since?

He's doing "Got Milk?" ads.


:D

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Watch closley the next time someone is body slammed, especially a smaller guy slamming a bigger guy. Pay real close attention to where the hands are of the guy being slammed.

98 lb. weaklings body slam 300 pound guys all the time on crappy indy shows.
The reason they don't have guys like Rey slamming guys like Big Show is because it would expose the business even more than it already has... and it would just look stupid. :p

But, trust me on this, Rey can body slam Big Show.


Andre getting slammed by Warrior was unique. On the DVD you can see Andre helping him out by the way the slam went. That takes a lot for a man with a bad back to do what he did there.

[sgt.candy]

didnt andre crap himself during a match?

[Kid Kamikaze10]

There have been five Ultimate Warriors, most of them were probably on steroids.

Which one are you talking about?

Oh yeah, Brock Lesinar did a suplex on the Big Show, who was in the ranges of Andre, so no, UW (which ever one you are talking about) is not the strongest wrestler, but he was really strong (and my favorite wrestler of all time).

[Above Omnipotence]

There have been five Ultimate Warriors, most of them were probably on steroids.

Which one are you talking about?

Oh yeah, Brock Lesinar did a suplex on the Big Show, who was in the ranges of Andre, so no, UW (which ever one you are talking about) is not the strongest wrestler, but he was really strong (and my favorite wrestler of all time).

LOL There was NEVER 5 Ultimate Warriors. There was ALWAYS 1 Ultimate Warrior. I don't know where you came up with that. lol

[marshal99]

I last saw Nathon Jones as the guy who got killed by Achilles at the beginning of Troy? Has he done anything since?

Well , he will be one of the opponent for Tony Jaa in his latest movie "Tom Yum Goong" after Ong Bak.

[JohnPopa]

There have been five Ultimate Warriors, most of them were probably on steroids.

Which one are you talking about?

Oh yeah, Brock Lesinar did a suplex on the Big Show, who was in the ranges of Andre, so no, UW (which ever one you are talking about) is not the strongest wrestler, but he was really strong (and my favorite wrestler of all time).

Man this post amused me.

No, there were not 5 Ultimate Warriors. There was one Ultimate Warrior, Jim Helliwig. Anyone who's said otherwise is either a) a liar or b) stupid.

Seriously.

[Slappy san]

Man this post amused me.

No, there were not 5 Ultimate Warriors. There was one Ultimate Warrior, Jim Helliwig. Anyone who's said otherwise is either a) a liar or b) stupid.

Seriously.

I'm not sure I'm a) or b) but I could have sworn one of the Von Errich(sp)s filled in for him due to injury.

[JohnPopa]

I've heard that rumor before but I've never heard any actual story confirming it. It would have been Kerry Von Erich who was on the roster at the time and had a similar, albeit noticeably thinner look to Warrior. It also could have been a situation where they were using a body double for a special effect (the gent who played Renegade did that in WCW.)

But, unless someone provides a story from a reliable source, I'd chalk it up to being a wrestling legend. But, still, even if Von Erich did don the make-up for something, that doesn't mean there were five Warriors or that any of them died or that Von Erich spent any real time portraying Warrior. It's still always been Hellwig.

[sir_snikt'alot]

dont listen to this guy,he only makes threads which he knows are wrong or will get people annoyed,he did a thread in the games forum that was titled 'the dead or alive series is better than virtua fighter and tekken!!' without giving a reason,he's pretty much a troll.

[sir_snikt'alot]

Nope.

Remember guys, Magnus Samuelsson broke Nathan's arm in an arm wrestling match.

no he didnt,stop lieing.

[VCreed32]

no he didnt,stop lieing.
If nothing else, he was right about that one.
Magnus did break his arm.

[marshal99]

This competition ? Looks more like his wrist would break more than his arm.

http://www2.bk-sportsmag.se/webblogg/bilder/samuelsson.jpg

[Lubichev]

Didn't one of the Ultimate Warrior's (I think there were 2) heart explode or something. Like a steriod meltdown? I just remember him being HUGE!!! Kinda like Lex Luger, the "Ultimate Package." Shit, haven't thought of that bastard in years.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

I've heard that rumor before but I've never heard any actual story confirming it. It would have been Kerry Von Erich who was on the roster at the time and had a similar, albeit noticeably thinner look to Warrior. It also could have been a situation where they were using a body double for a special effect (the gent who played Renegade did that in WCW.)

But, unless someone provides a story from a reliable source, I'd chalk it up to being a wrestling legend. But, still, even if Von Erich did don the make-up for something, that doesn't mean there were five Warriors or that any of them died or that Von Erich spent any real time portraying Warrior. It's still always been Hellwig.


Also Vince did say that he was relunctant to call Hellwig anything close to Warrior due to how many he had. In one part he pointed at Kerry Von Erich and said he was the Modern Day Warrior , which was his nickname in World Class. ;)

[VCreed32]

This competition ? Looks more like his wrist would break more than his arm.

http://www2.bk-sportsmag.se/webblogg/bilder/samuelsson.jpg
I have no idea what type of break it was or where along his arm, but it happened.

[Captain Trips]

As Scorpion13 put it, the Ultimate Warrior has never gorilla pressed or even body slammed Andre the Giant.

I didn't read all the posts in this thread so maybe someone mentioned it, but the Warrior did bodyslam Andre. There's a whole portion on "The Self-Destruction" DVD about the Warrior/Andre feud, and they show (several times) Warrior bodyslamming Andre in a match. Now Bobby Heenan goes on to tell how Andre would get pissed at Warrior for not listening to him during matches and nearly knocking him out by just putting his fist up as Warrior ran in to clothesline him, but Warrior did slam Andre. The guy was strong.

[Howard Allan]

I didn't read all the posts in this thread so maybe someone mentioned it, but the Warrior did bodyslam Andre. There's a whole portion on "The Self-Destruction" DVD about the Warrior/Andre feud, and they show (several times) Warrior bodyslamming Andre in a match. Now Bobby Heenan goes on to tell how Andre would get pissed at Warrior for not listening to him during matches and nearly knocking him out by just putting his fist up as Warrior ran in to clothesline him, but Warrior did slam Andre. The guy was strong.

No one slams Andre unless Andre allows himself to be slamed and any slams I saw of Andre were never more than waist high anyway. Andre posted up for all those slams.

[bigman45]

no you wrong the hulk slamed him .. and pressed him 2 times :eek:

[Above Omnipotence]

No, the Ultimate Warrior didn't need Andre's help for the body slam. Warrior body slamed him as if he was a lightweight. Warrior was one of the top strongest wrestlers ever. His 1RM bench press was almost 700 lbs.

And Warrior was bigger and stronger than Lex Luger.

[sir_snikt'alot]

No, the Ultimate Warrior didn't need Andre's help for the body slam. Warrior body slamed him as if he was a lightweight. Warrior was one of the top strongest wrestlers ever. His 1RM bench press was almost 700 lbs.

And Warrior was bigger and stronger than Lex Luger.

maybe its time you changed your name to 'above incompitence',or maybe just 'lier lier pants on fire'

[Howard Allan]

Picking up a person is a lot more difficult than picking up a weight on a barbell. you might be able to press 300 lbs on a barbell but you'd have a damn difficult time doing the same with a body. It's many times more difficult. The only reason Andre was ever slammed was because he allowed and helped in it and I never saw it go higher than waist high at that. As far as pressing him, that's pure Bullsh*t. It was never done.

[Captain Trips]

No one slams Andre unless Andre allows himself to be slamed and any slams I saw of Andre were never more than waist high anyway. Andre posted up for all those slams.

I'm not saying Andre didn't help him, but this slam was more than waist high. If you don't believe me rent the DVD. They show the slam several times. I just watched it the other night.

[Phoney Bone]

Ultimate Warrior, The Texas Twister (Kerry Von Erich "The Modern Day Warrior') and the Legion of Doom (The Road Warriors) were a Survivor Series Team.


There have been five Ultimate Warriors.


Hulk Hogan not only press slammed (NOT body slam... PRESS slam) Andre twice, he spun him on his finger like a Harlem Globetrotters basketball, then threw a bucket of confetti on Bobby Heenan.


Two of these statements are false.

[Above Omnipotence]

Ultimate Warrior, The Texas Twister (Kerry Von Erich "The Modern Day Warrior') and the Legion of Doom (The Road Warriors) were a Survivor Series Team.


There have been five Ultimate Warriors.


Hulk Hogan not only press slammed (NOT body slam... PRESS slam) Andre twice, he spun him on his finger like a Harlem Globetrotters basketball, then threw a bucket of confetti on Bobby Heenan.


Two of these statements are false.

LOL This post was funny.

Anyway, Andre DID NOT help out Warrior for the slam. Warrior WAS extremely strong. His 1RM bench press was almost 700lbs.

[sgt.candy]

ultimate warrior can wrestle



the above statement is false

[onizuka]

anyone who thinks warrior is any good seriously has to do themselves a favor and watch 'the selfdestruction of the ultimate warrior'.

i hated him back then, and after seeing all the stuff that was said about him it made me hate him more.

this dude was one of the most unprofessional guys out there. even mean jean has a go at him.

[Waffles]

Ok, while I admit that Warrior is a tad nutso I wouldn't exactly rely on the WWE revisionist history to be your goto guide on the subject.

[marshal99]

He was never a warrior fan in the first place so to him , anything that bashes warrior is a bible to him.

It's the same with Erik , he's not a HBK fan so anything or anyone that bashes HBK , he will endorse it 100 %.

[VCreed32]

Ok, while I admit that Warrior is a tad nutso I wouldn't exactly rely on the WWE revisionist history to be your goto guide on the subject.
I was going to say the same thing.

[Phoney Bone]

Ok, while I admit that Warrior is a tad nutso I wouldn't exactly rely on the WWE revisionist history to be your goto guide on the subject.

Yeah... this is the same Vince McMahon that tried to portray himself as a poor widdle underdog to WCW in the Monday Night Wars dvd.

Then there was one dvd with Wrestlemania moments (can't remember which one right off the bat) where Sgt. Slaughter was talking about how excited he and all the rest of the guys in the back were about WrestleMania III and how amazed they all were huddled around the monitor watching Hogan slam Andre.

No small feet for Slaughter... seeing as how he WORKED FOR AWA AT THE TIME!

[Captain Trips]

Yeah... this is the same Vince McMahon that tried to portray himself as a poor widdle underdog to WCW in the Monday Night Wars dvd.

Then there was one dvd with Wrestlemania moments (can't remember which one right off the bat) where Sgt. Slaughter was talking about how excited he and all the rest of the guys in the back were about WrestleMania III and how amazed they all were huddled around the monitor watching Hogan slam Andre.

No small feet for Slaughter... seeing as how he WORKED FOR AWA AT THE TIME!

Actually, I thought that was when he was fighting the forces of Cobra as a member of G.I. Joe.
;)

There's always two sides to every story, and while I am sure that what is on the Warrior DVD is true for the most part (I did see it), I have a pretty good feeling that the Warrior had his share of legitimate issues with Vince and company as well.

[Waffles]

Yeah... this is the same Vince McMahon that tried to portray himself as a poor widdle underdog to WCW in the Monday Night Wars dvd.

And? This is not an untrue statement. He was the underdog. How big of an underdog may have been altered for dramatic purposes. Regardless, he was the underdog against a multi million dollar company that was trying to put him out of business. Don't see your beef with him stating a well known fact...

The Slaughter criticism is just silly. The particular match was quite possibly the biggest moment in modern wrestling history. Whether Slaughter was with the company our not. I have no doubt that he watched the match and stood in awe wherever the hell he was at the time. There are plenty of other more valid complaints you can make. Don't be nitpicky.

I was actually thinking that a better way to get a true understanding of Warrior's career is just to go right to the source. Nothing Vince can create is as interesting as the parody of human being that Warrior has created on his very own website. Nothing.

[Phoney Bone]

And? This is not an untrue statement. He was the underdog. How big of an underdog may have been altered for dramatic purposes. Regardless, he was the underdog against a multi million dollar company that was trying to put him out of business. Don't see your beef with him stating a well known fact...

The Slaughter criticism is just silly. The particular match was quite possibly the biggest moment in modern wrestling history. Whether Slaughter was with the company our not. I have no doubt that he watched the match and stood in awe wherever the hell he was at the time. There are plenty of other more valid complaints you can make. Don't be nitpicky.

I was actually thinking that a better way to get a true understanding of Warrior's career is just to go right to the source. Nothing Vince can create is as interesting as the parody of human being that Warrior has created on his very own website. Nothing.


You were the one who brought the subject of WWE revisionist history. All I did was add some more examples.

No, Vince was not the underdog. Vince had already spent years raiding each and every territory for their best workers simply because he could. then he started doing the same to the AWA and WCW. Ted Turner had already owned WCW for a few years before he started channeling money into it. WCW was so desperate that they put the guy who created the AWA Team Challenge Series... THE TEAM CHALLENGE SERIES... in charge. The only thing WCW ever took from WWF that worked to their benefit was Hall and Nash.

[onizuka]

i don't doubt that warrior did have some legitimate issue with vince and the company. but when a guy like JR starts to get stuck in i can't help but go along.

i just think the guy is absurd in a business where things absurd are not uncommon.

and his matches were boring. there was no doubt about that.

[eJm]

Ok, while I admit that Warrior is a tad nutso I wouldn't exactly rely on the WWE revisionist history to be your goto guide on the subject.
I pretty much have to say that.

Hell, WWE even tried to say Hogan beat The Rock at WM 18. How the hell am I going to believe the Ultimate Warrior DVD?

[marshal99]

I pretty much have to say that.

Hell, WWE even tried to say Hogan beat The Rock at WM 18. How the hell am I going to believe the Ultimate Warrior DVD?

Hogan's promo is hogan himself saying it so as his ego is certainly large enough for that. WWE probably doesn't have anything to do with that. As far as the dvd goes , all it matters for WWE is it sells , who cares what.

[BoosterBronze]

I have an old Colleseum tape, "History of WrestleMania 1-9" where the highlights are cut in such a way, and the narration claims that Ultimate Warrior won the belt at WM6, then defended the belt against Randy Savage at WM7. (which isn't the case, by WM7 warrior had lost the belt to Slaughter).

Thought that was a little wierd.

[Frank777]

Warrior slamming Andre:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-uIs1LU9dg