Doctor Who *spoilers*

[drwho]

I recall hearing that not all Galifryens are Time lords, but all Timelords are Galifreyens. It would kind of suck though for the face to tell the doc that he isn't alone and it turns out that the Master was who he was referring to.

[Gladiaria_Alata]

I thought that this was the best episode of the new series so far, with the Doctor's recollection of Gallifrey at the end being the highlight. The Doctor dropping down on all the cars was fun, and the death of a giant prosthetic face was strangely sad.

And the return of the Macra. Never saw that coming. Quite like to see the Ice Warriors return next......

The Face of Boh(?)

Also just wondering, did the Macra always look like crabs, or was that a side effect of them 'devolving'?

[Tobias March]

Given the way that Queen Elizabeth I acted I wouldn't be terribly surprised if we eventually find out that it has something to do with her. Although that would be a bit of a repeat of Victoria and Torchwood.

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From the teaser trailers on BBC that show John Simm standing before the Houses of Parliament I'm thinking the Master is Saxon. Which might also explain the scene with Elizabeth. The Master is travelling through England's history setting himself up as a benevolent dictator and identifying the Doctor as a villain acting against the interests of the Empire. That's my guess.

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[Web of Fear]

The Face of Boh(?)

Also just wondering, did the Macra always look like crabs, or was that a side effect of them 'devolving'?

They were crabs when they first appeared in "The Macra Terror", though as a result of CGI, they're now bigger and more nimble. :)

[Matt]

Are all Gallifreyans Time Lords? I don't know much about the history of Doctor Who but it occurs to me that whenever he's referred to or refers to himself as the last of his kind, it's always as the last Time Lord.

Not all Gallifreyans are Time Lord but all Time Lords are Gallifreyan.

I've read enough to know there's been some debate as to whether or not the Doctor's granddaughter Susan was a Time Lord

Yeah, she was.

though as with Romana we have to assume that she was also killed by the Daleks during the Time War.

Unknown. Either she's still back on an earth which doesn't exist anymore (dalek invasion of earth) married to David, or she's somewhere in the Universe joyriding in a former TARDIS of the Master's. Depending on what you accept as canon.

[Cyke]

Loved this episode. I found myself just completely immersed in all the concepts, especially the horror of an eternal traffic jam. Obviously Calypso was an intentional clue.

Also loved the fact that the Doctor pulled out the arrow from the last episode. That's such a great sight gag.

Question about the whole Time Lord/Gallifreyan thing: iirc, had the old series continued just a bit more, the Seventh Doctor would've sent Ace to Gallifrey to begin training and become a Time Lord. Is that true? I mean, if so, it would've been nice to see a human, a non-Gallifreyan, as a Time Lord. But then again, history might change :)

[oldscool]

also we will aparently find out who the face of boe realy was and why he nkows all the stuff he dous

and how could i forget this episode had KITTENS ......awwwwwwww:o

[drwho]

Ace turned out not even to be human. She, or her parents were from some other planet.

[Matt]

Ace was human as far as I know.

The Doctor's plan was to train Ace a bit himself (as see in 'Ghost Light') and then somehow get her into the Academy on Gallifrey. Whether or not that would make her an actual Time Lord is highly debatable ...but I'd say 'no'.

[drwho]

Did anyone watch Survival I think it reveals she was from another planet or something? Funny thing is she seemed one of the less qualified of all the companions in the brains department. Dont know where he had this idea that she could make it at TLU.

[ChrisIII]

Ace is 100% human, although she was manipulated by the intelligence known as Fenric (See Curse Of Fenric) who sent her off to Iceworld. Ace does joke in "Dragonfire" that she hoped that she was from another planet, but that wasn't intended to say that she was. In Survival she does fall under the influence of the Cheetah planet, however.


The Ace as a time lord idea was apparentally one of the storylines that would have been developed had the series not been canned in '89 and season 27 would have actually been made. Season 27 apparentally would have been McCoy and Aldred's last, with the new companion being introduced halfway through (I think) and the Doctor regenerating at the end of the season. Ace does go on to develop considerably in the books, though.

Some of the unused season 27 storylines have been reworked as novels, mainly those by Mike Tucker.

[king mob]

Question about the whole Time Lord/Gallifreyan thing: iirc, had the old series continued just a bit more, the Seventh Doctor would've sent Ace to Gallifrey to begin training and become a Time Lord. Is that true? I mean, if so, it would've been nice to see a human, a non-Gallifreyan, as a Time Lord. But then again, history might change :)

There's a really good documentary on the Survival DVD which goes into detail about this.

There was a funny story in the Sunday tabloids about an American remake of Doctor Who featuring Hugh Jackman. Yes, it's 99% likely to be bollocks.

[Spike-X]

Lloved the fact that the Doctor pulled out the arrow from the last episode. That's such a great sight gag.


I totally missed that the first time I watched! Nice touch.

[ChrisIII]

There's a rather big spoiler for the upcoming Dalek 2-parter on the Radio Times cover. Interesting, to say the least.


That being said, from what I've seen of DIM/EOTD it looks like it will be a sort of "bizzare" Dalek adventure ala Revelation of the Daleks as oppossed to the mostly action-oriented Dalek episodes we've had so far.

[drwho]

So I saw Gridlock. Let me just make sure I understand this because the Bliss drug was released the face of bo decided to trap all the people on the planet in the road ways that happen to be underground till the planet was free of the virus?

[Tobias March]

So I saw Gridlock. Let me just make sure I understand this because the Bliss drug was released the face of bo decided to trap all the people on the planet in the road ways that happen to be underground till the planet was free of the virus?

It was a class thing. Only the 'uppers', could afford pure bliss. As we see the lower classes were sold cheaper drugs/moods such as honesty, forget, happy-happy. Bo just took advantage of this class distinction to save those who remained unaffected.

[king mob]

That being said, from what I've seen of DIM/EOTD it looks like it will be a sort of "bizzare" Dalek adventure ala Revelation of the Daleks as oppossed to the mostly action-oriented Dalek episodes we've had so far.


If you get to see the trailers you'll see there's a lot of action by the look of things.

[king mob]

In case anyone is interested, here's the info on Pat Mills and John Wagner's script for Doctor Who (http://www.shannonsullivan.com/drwho/serials/6f.html) they submitted in 1982.

[Servo]

There's a rather big spoiler for the upcoming Dalek 2-parter on the Radio Times cover. Interesting, to say the least.

Click here (http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d129/drwhofan/rt-21-27-4-2007.jpg) to take a look at that cover. Beware though, cause as ChrisIII said, it's a rather big spoiler.

[Web of Fear]

I've seen the Radio Times cover, but any UK fans who want to avoid the spolier are going to have a hard time doing so until Saturday. They'd best avoid any newsagents.

[king mob]

I saw it the other day when buying a paper and thought ''that's a stupid thing to do''. Hey ho though.

[Eclips0]

Who else thinks Saxon is The Master, especially after the revelation that the Doctor is not alone.

[drwho]

Do we really know for a fact Saxon is evil? Perhaps is just some big character they are introducing into the show that doesnt necessarily get along with the doctor. Maybe there is some connection to the Claws of Axos aliens here.

[Eclips0]

Because the last episode of the season is called "Last of the Timelords" and it's all about Saxon. The proof is mounting.

[Tobias March]

Because the last episode of the season is called "Last of the Timelords" and it's all about Saxon. The proof is mounting.

I'll stake your theory up against mine (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?p=4683642#post4683642)

I got a 20 on the table :p

[Eclips0]

Ill put 20 on the table. :) Nice thoery though.

[ChrisIII]

There is another fan theory that Saxon is the Valeyard, the Doctor's 'dark side' from the Trial Of A Timelord season. Although somewhat of an obscure villain to non-fans, so were the Macra....

[Web of Fear]

Possible spolier theory:

Someone has pointed out (possibly in this thread) that "Mister Saxon" is an anagram of "Master No Six". Given that the Master used anagrams as an alias in the original series, the theory that Saxon is the Master seems plausable. Plus, John Simm would be the sixth on screen Master, if this correct.

The Master is a character that has repeatedly come back from what seemed to be certain death (often without explanation), so if anyone else could survive the Time War, he could.

[ChrisIII]

I wonder if they'll explain:


How the Master went from the "Bruce" form to "Saxon". It's possible I suppose that the Master just stole another body, although it's been rumored that perhaps Derek Jacobi's "professor" is also the Master, implying perhaps somehow the Master earned or stole another set of incarnations-maybe he even fought in the time war. Of course if you factor in the novels/comics the Master's timeline gets even more confusing.

I also wonder how Simm will play it. If the Master is indeed trying to rule Britain as prime minister, I think we'll have a return to the more Delgadoesque Master instead of the somewhat nuts Ainley Master. I wonder if he'll hypnotize anyone?

[Web of Fear]

As long as he says "I am the Master and you will obey me", I'll be happy! :D

[king mob]

There is another fan theory that Saxon is the Valeyard, the Doctor's 'dark side' from the Trial Of A Timelord season. Although somewhat of an obscure villain to non-fans, so were the Macra....

The Macra were a blank slate so they could use them in a new way without damaging the continuity some fans find so precious. The Valyard is a villian from a time the programme was dying on it's arse & I doubt Davies would reference that time much, if at all. The Master is different-he's a villian from a time the programme was huge (the Pertwee era mainly) and is as closely associated with it as the Tardis and the Daleks.

It'll be interesting to see Simm play an out and out bad guy but I doubt he'll ham it up as Ainley was told to do. The gossip seems to be that he's playing Saxon with as Tony Blair with a huge chunk of Alistair Campbell on top.

[ChrisIII]

It's also interesting that Simm kind of looks a little bit like Tennant-maybe they're trying to play up the possible 'brother' connection even though we know time lords can regenerate-although the Master hasn't (Maybe he stole a body that he thought kinda looked like the Doctor's?). We also have a Master without a beard, but we've sort of had that already with Roberts and of course the 'corpse' masters. What's potentially horrifying about the whole possible prime minister situation is that it could've been created by the Doctor himself by his taking down Harriet Jones in TCI. Of course there's also the question of how Jack fits into this whole situation.

[Eclips0]

Yeah I'm also getting pretty sick of the Daleks showing up multiple times each season. It's kinda liek the Borg on Voyager, they started being over-used.

The Master was trapped in the Heart of the Tardis. Rose accessed it in the parting of the ways. He may have escaped and slipped into time moving from person to person.

[mattx110]

Possible spolier theory:

Someone has pointed out (possibly in this thread) that "Mister Saxon" is an anagram of "Master No Six".

so... how is patrick macgoohan involved?

[Cyke]

Yeah I'm also getting pretty sick of the Daleks showing up multiple times each season. It's kinda liek the Borg on Voyager, they started being over-used.

The Master was trapped in the Heart of the Tardis. Rose accessed it in the parting of the ways. He may have escaped and slipped into time moving from person to person.


To be fair this time around, the Daleks are being used in the middle of the season, as opposed to the end (well, as far as we know, of course). Which means that the finale has to be on a bigger scale than even the Daleks.

The last time we had Daleks, it also had Cybermen, Hell, and the departure of the entire supporting cast. That's pretty major, but that was at the end, not episode 04.

[Paul McEnery]

To be fair this time around, the Daleks are being used in the middle of the season, as opposed to the end (well, as far as we know, of course). Which means that the finale has to be on a bigger scale than even the Daleks.

The last time we had Daleks, it also had Cybermen, Hell, and the departure of the entire supporting cast. That's pretty major, but that was at the end, not episode 04.

Unless I've got it wrong, Man U vs. Chelsea is an even bigger threat to the Doctor than the Daleks.

It'll likely run to extra time. And preempt the second part of the two-parter.

And that will be very, very irritating.

[mattx110]

Unless I've got it wrong, Man U vs. Chelsea is an even bigger threat to the Doctor than the Daleks.

It'll likely run to extra time. And preempt the second part of the two-parter.

And that will be very, very irritating.

time to go back in time, and convince maggie thatcher to ban football.
she'd totally do it too.
don't mess with the doctor.

[king mob]

Yeah I'm also getting pretty sick of the Daleks showing up multiple times each season. It's kinda liek the Borg on Voyager, they started being over-used.



The BBC paid a fuckload of money to the estate of Terry Nation to use them and they're getting their money's worth. Plus kids love Daleks so don't expect them to go away while they're the biggest selling toys every Christmas.

[king mob]

Unless I've got it wrong, Man U vs. Chelsea is an even bigger threat to the Doctor than the Daleks.

It'll likely run to extra time. And preempt the second part of the two-parter.

And that will be very, very irritating.

The FA Cup final isn't until the 19th of May so it won't affect the Dalek two-parter.

[Cyke]

The FA Cup final isn't until the 19th of May so it won't affect the Dalek two-parter.

Well, there ya go. I was right: bigger things than the Daleks ARE coming later.

[kingdom2000]

Season Big Bad: The Master (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_(Doctor_Who))

[Web of Fear]

According to the FA Cup website, the final kicks off at 3, and while I know nothing about football, I would have thought that even if the game did go to extra time or penalties, if Doctor Who gets scheduled in its usual 7 p.m slot, it would take to seriously prolonged coverage for a postponement.

[ChrisIII]

A new box set is apparentally coming out with the theme of Tegan, one of the longest-running companions. Apparentally we'll get Time-flight, Arc Of Infinity and Snakedance in one set. Bit of an odd choice for a box set, especially considering that they could've done the Black Guardian trilogy instead, and "Snakedance" is a sequel to "Kinda", would'nt it have made better sense to release "Kinda" first?


Also, regarding the Borg/Dalek comments-it can be argued that they became ineffective in the late 70s and early 80s, where they were largely shadowed by their creator Davros ala the Borg Queen in ST. By not featuring Davros (Apart from a short mention in "Dalek"), the Daleks have been able to recapture much of their former glory. The Daleks appeared every other season during the Hartnell and Pertwee eras too.

[Cyke]

Frankly, I'd love to see Captain Jack Harkness Vs. The Master. Sure, Jack would ultimately lose, but it's such a great combination of bravado, skill, melodrama, and arrogance that both characters are known for. I'm rooting for Jack, knowing full well that he'd have to lose (logically and character-wise) in order for the Doctor to step in.

[king mob]

According to the FA Cup website, the final kicks off at 3, and while I know nothing about football, I would have thought that even if the game did go to extra time or penalties, if Doctor Who gets scheduled in its usual 7 p.m slot, it would take to seriously prolonged coverage for a postponement.

It won't be that late. Last year's final went all the way & it finished about 6ish.

[king mob]

A new box set is apparentally coming out with the theme of Tegan, one of the longest-running companions. Apparentally we'll get Time-flight, Arc Of Infinity and Snakedance in one set. Bit of an odd choice for a box set, especially considering that they could've done the Black Guardian trilogy instead, and "Snakedance" is a sequel to "Kinda", would'nt it have made better sense to release "Kinda" first?


A Black Guardian set has been planned for ages but I think there was a issue over one of the stories. I'll try to dig up what the crack is.

Also, regarding the Borg/Dalek comments-it can be argued that they became ineffective in the late 70s and early 80s, where they were largely shadowed by their creator Davros ala the Borg Queen in ST. By not featuring Davros (Apart from a short mention in "Dalek"), the Daleks have been able to recapture much of their former glory. The Daleks appeared every other season during the Hartnell and Pertwee eras too.

Part of the problem is that Terry Nation allowed the BBC use of the Daleks but Davros had to be included in the stories. This effectively reduced the Daleks to not very scary henchmen and although there was a few good Dalek stories after Genesis Of The Daleks, they were never the same until the new series put them back to their former glories.

[adamthered]

Frankly, I'd love to see Captain Jack Harkness Vs. The Master. Sure, Jack would ultimately lose, but it's such a great combination of bravado, skill, melodrama, and arrogance that both characters are known for. I'm rooting for Jack, knowing full well that he'd have to lose (logically and character-wise) in order for the Doctor to step in.

And if all else fails we know Cap'n Jack can just hit on him :D

[Paul McEnery]

According to the FA Cup website, the final kicks off at 3, and while I know nothing about football, I would have thought that even if the game did go to extra time or penalties, if Doctor Who gets scheduled in its usual 7 p.m slot, it would take to seriously prolonged coverage for a postponement.

Thanks all. I am now a much happier puppy.

BTW, I recommend listening to a BBC Radio 4 show called The Now Show (last Friday's episode).

[king mob]

Mitch Benn would be great if he was actually funny.

[king mob]

It's on at 6.30 tonight for some reason.

[king mob]

This series is amazing me as each episode is better than the previous one. That one tonight was a bloody cracker (within the exception of some dodgy accents and a meandering middle section) & one of the best Dalek stories in the programme's history.

The hybrid Dalek Sec was well done but it really would have been a bigger surprise if it hadn't been on this weeks cover of Radio Times.

[rick]

To be honest, while I liked tonights episode well enough, it really didn't rock the world or anyhting like that. While it was cool to see the Daleks with an actual plan, the story itself was just kind of so-so.

Still I'm sure it will pickup during the second part.

[roguespirit]

I enjoyed it but the pig creatures....why?

[king mob]

The pig hybrids were probably early attempts by the Daleks to see if they could combine two species together into a hybrid. Or it could be that RTD really likes pigs.

[drwho]

I saw it and liked it much more than last episode. My only question is if there were only 4 daleks left how are they gonna mass produce so many. The human dalek effects at the end were cool with the tentacles moving. I'm still annoyed that the writers are trying to make Martha have the hots for the doctor.

[Gorthaur]

Well, yeah. I'm not immediately seeing how a comparatively soft and weak (going by appearances, anyway) Humalek is in any better a position to take over da world, much less the universe, than a traditional one-man army squid-in-a-trashcan Dalek, either. Especially when Dalek Sec seemed to think that just one such Dalek was enough to defeat an entire Cyberman army not too long ago.

Still, "pigmen" didn't convince me as an idea based on the previews, either. And yet, each and every 3rd season episode has so far managed to surpass my not inconsiderable expectations. I'm starting to feel relatively confident that any apparent plot holes actually will be addressed and explained.

[Web of Fear]

I saw it and liked it much more than last episode. My only question is if there were only 4 daleks left how are they gonna mass produce so many. The human dalek effects at the end were cool with the tentacles moving. I'm still annoyed that the writers are trying to make Martha have the hots for the doctor.

Maybe the Daleks are relying on the ladies finding a man with one eye and six tentacles on his face irresistible ..... ;)

[mattx110]

it felt like the DS9 episode where they time travelled to well, the early federation version of hoovervilles. well, that plus the storyline between knights into dreams with all this spire gateway to the heavens thing.
that should probably come into play a bit more in part 2.

and the daleks are trying to understand why they keep winding up getting destroyed. they're willing to try anything. they're probably planning on experimenting on recreating a dalek-human without the dalek too if that helps.

[ChrisIII]

It's nice to see Hugh Quarshie again, I was wondering what happened to him after Star Wars Episode I.

Certainly the most offbeat Dalek episode since "Revelation"....which also had a half-human Dalek...

[Karl H]

It's nice to see Hugh Quarshie again, I was wondering what happened to him after Star Wars Episode I.

Certainly the most offbeat Dalek episode since "Revelation"....which also had a half-human Dalek...

he's been in Casualty on BBC 1 for years!!!!!

[king mob]

he's been in Casualty on BBC 1 for years!!!!!

Holby City actually. I keep seeing him in various pubs round Bristol as well.

[Jack]

Well, yeah. I'm not immediately seeing how a comparatively soft and weak (going by appearances, anyway) Humalek is in any better a position to take over da world, much less the universe, than a traditional one-man army squid-in-a-trashcan Dalek, either. Especially when Dalek Sec seemed to think that just one such Dalek was enough to defeat an entire Cyberman army not too long ago.I'm guessing genitalia.

[Deathstroke]

The third season will debut on the Sci-Fi Channel in July.

[Tobias March]

It's only just occured to me that the latest episode seems to have taken inspiration from that Circe episode of Ulysses 31 with the giant tower being made by pig-people and such...

[ChrisIII]

One thing I've sort of noticed about this season is that there's kind of a theme running through it-and I'm not talking about Saxon.

In "Daleks In Manhatten" we see the Daleks realize they must become human-or half-human-to survive.


In SPOILERS the upcoming Human Nature, we also see the Doctor become a Human. Granted, this is based on an old novel but you catch my drift...

[Karl H]

Holby City actually. I keep seeing him in various pubs round Bristol as well.

My bad... I pay surprisingly little attention to Auntie's hospital based output these days...

[king mob]

My bad... I pay surprisingly little attention to Auntie's hospital based output these days...

I wouldn't worry, I only know because I keep tripping over filmcrews round here shooting both programmes.

[Deathstroke]

The third season premiere will feature the Christmas special "The Runaway Bride" and then the first actual episode of season 3, "Smith and Jones."

[ragnarok_2012]

If not for the fact that the first Cthulu story appeared in 1928, it'd be fun to see H.P. Lovecraft appear in this two-parter somehow.

[Deathstroke]

The official premiere date in the US for the third season of Doctor Who will be Friday July 6th.

[Cyke]

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=170791

Rumbles Survivor: LGBTQ Edition.

If anyone's interested, Capt. Jack Harkness is in the running. He used to be at the voting cap, until one very dedicated Jack-hater decided to take him down by double digits. If anyone's interested in lending a hand, here ya go :)

[king mob]

Tonight's episode is on early again.

[Cyke]

Tonight's episode is on early again.

Is it showing at 6:30 again?

I ask because now I have to remember what that means in Central Standard Time. Dammit!

[Spike-X]

Well, that was a bit of a mess.

[ChrisIII]

It seems that the Dalek 2-parter got the same reaction the Cybermen 2-parter got last year...sort of underwhelming.

[rick]

My wife didn't really like it either, but I thought it was good fun.

Not all that scary or anything, but still an interesting look at why the Daleks are what they are.

I enjoyed it.

[ChrisIII]

Next up's the Lazarus Experiment-apparentally Martha's family comes back in this one...Also think that's the one with Mark Gatiss.


Apparentally there's also going to be a clue to the season finale in this one as well....

[king mob]

Well, that was a bit of a mess.


It wasn't bad, it was possibly the closest to McCoy era Who they've had, and it suffered from much of that era's flaws(underwritten characters, massive plot holes). It was a decent story and they tried to do a big epic story but it never really worked. Mainly because the idea of humanising Dalek's is now done to death, not only in the new series but it was in the old one as well.

Daleks are bastards, they should remain bastards. We'll see how they're handled next year but I'm sure they'll be humanised again or some such bollocks.

[Karl H]

I actually enjoyed it. I think that given that next week's episode is set in the present there'll be some Saxon related tidbits.

[Popgun]

I actually enjoyed it. I think that given that next week's episode is set in the present there'll be some Saxon related tidbits.

RTD stated in the Radio Times a few weeks ago that we should pay special attention to "Dr Lazarus' enigmatic paymaster". *Taps nose*

[Tobias March]

Didn't anyone else notice the Blade Runner shot when the Doctor was climbing the Empire State building?

[drwho]

I didnt like this episode and thought some of the science done here had too many plotholes. I mean what was the point of the dalekinium :rolleyes: . God how would Martha know that was the name of it. What exactly was the gene juice goop? oy vey. And the oh let me just mix some stuff and turn a dial an cure the pig man from dieing. I wasn't too crazy about this episode because you kind of figured where it was gonna go. And I think if I hear any more Rose related comments im gonna poor acid down my ears. Really rose is gone we dont need to have it harped every episode. I was really expecting more out of Martha as a character than the writers are giving us.

[mattx110]

i think they should have made the lab a bit more impressive so things like saving laszlo made more sense.

it's also getting harder to follow when the daleks do things off screen that they need fingers to do.

and the blue stuff being a small container that provides blue stuff for hundreds of people.
anyway, it was fun. and it would have been nice to have a hint that the daleks had this massive army ready to be build so we don't go "what the hell, but there's only 4 daleks, this plan sucks" when they were gonna show us that that was only part A. and planning to leech energy off of a solar flare using a lightning conductor. i'm not sure it works like that.

plus, the daleks not killing the doctor on sight is getting annoying. in episode 12 and 13 of last season they kept them separated and put an army of cybermen in the way.

and i really liked the cybermen 2 parter from last time.
i liked this one too.not as much, but that's ok.

edit: apparently the director ran out of time when it came to filming the doctor doing his chemistry stuff.

[Spike-X]

It seems that the Dalek 2-parter got the same reaction the Cybermen 2-parter got last year...sort of underwhelming.
I liked the Cybermen story a lot more than I liked this one.

Also, is it just me, or did the Dalek/human hybrid (with the really, really bad accent) look a lot like Curt Swan's version of the Luthor/Brainiac hybrid from Whatever Happened To The Man Of Tomorrow?

[Popgun]

I liked the Cybermen story a lot more than I liked this one.

Also, is it just me, or did the Dalek/human hybrid (with the really, really bad accent) look a lot like Curt Swan's version of the Luthor/Brainiac hybrid from Whatever Happened To The Man Of Tomorrow?

The actor is from Boston, Mass, apparently. He may have been based in the UK for a while, however.

[ChrisIII]

Given the return of the Macra recently, should any other obscure villains from the past appear in Who/Torchwood/Sarah Jane? Apparentally the Zygons are going to show up in a 10th Doctor/Martha novel...

[king mob]

Given the return of the Macra recently, should any other obscure villains from the past appear in Who/Torchwood/Sarah Jane? Apparentally the Zygons are going to show up in a 10th Doctor/Martha novel...

The Zygons are a favourite of Russell Davies so I wouldn't be surprised to see them pop up on the programme in the future in the same way the Macra did. Oddly enough Tennant joked in the commentary for 'Gridlock' that ''this week the Macra, next week the Monoids (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ark_(Doctor_Who))''.

[ChrisIII]

There is a certain resemblance between Sec and the Monoids (As well as the Jagaroth)....


Interestingly enough the Ood are also said to be related to the Sensorites.

[Cyke]

Wouldn't it be weird if, retroactively, Dalek Caan was the same Dalek from, um, Dalek?

Of course, that wouldn't be too interesting as a potential story down the line, but eh, it's a possibility.

[ChrisIII]

Unless it somehow had it's memory wiped, that would'nt work...

[king mob]

The Chris Chibnall episode, '42', might be postponed. This is not because he was partly responsible for the abortion that was Torchwood. No, it's because of the juggernaut that is Eurovision.

Or it might be shown stupidly early, it depends what you decide to believe.

[Cyke]

Unless it somehow had it's memory wiped, that would'nt work...

We just had a Dalek who changed his mind. Anything's possible, my friend.

Anyway, my one gripe for this season: Will the Doctor please stop getting knocked tha f*ck out? He's been KO'd in three of the four episodes so far in this series.

[ChrisIII]

^Didn't Tom have a tendency to get knocked out, especially in his first season?

[ChrisIII]

Also, I suppose the Dalek could've developed amnesia, but I'm pretty sure they're saving Caan for a later story. However, I think the "Daleks rebuilding their race/getting humanized" plot has pretty much been done to death already; not sure where they can take the Daleks from here....


One thing I'd like to see is different color Daleks. Although I do like the Gold and the return of the black "boss" Dalek in Sec, it'd be nice to see Silver Daleks again with the redesign. (One of the rumors for the two-parter had Chrome Daleks, but I think it was just a false rumor or a photo error).

[Cyke]

Also, I suppose the Dalek could've developed amnesia, but I'm pretty sure they're saving Caan for a later story. However, I think the "Daleks rebuilding their race/getting humanized" plot has pretty much been done to death already; not sure where they can take the Daleks from here....


I'm certainly not trying to say it's a foreshadow for 'Dalek,' just that it would be a neat (if ultimately futile) little tidbit if the writers decide to go that way. I'm well aware that it's close to an impossibility, like 90% of all other Whovian guesswork

[king mob]

Also, I suppose the Dalek could've developed amnesia, but I'm pretty sure they're saving Caan for a later story. However, I think the "Daleks rebuilding their race/getting humanized" plot has pretty much been done to death already; not sure where they can take the Daleks from here....


The three year licensing deal with the Terry Nation estate is up and I'd imagine they'll be asking even more stupid money to extend it. The Daleks will be back but if too much money is being asked then it might not be next year.

[mattx110]

^Didn't Tom have a tendency to get knocked out, especially in his first season?

he kept getting punched by robots :D

[rick]

The three year licensing deal with the Terry Nation estate is up and I'd imagine they'll be asking even more stupid money to extend it. The Daleks will be back but if too much money is being asked then it might not be next year.


I guess I'm not at all sure why exactly it is that the people who own the rights to the Daleks shouldn't get paid an appropriate amount of money for their use?

Care to explain?

[ragnarok_2012]

So long as the Daleks get a couple good episodes per incarnation of the Doctor, I'm happy.

And the Daleks got a good couple episodes with Tennant last series. The two-parter this series wasn't anything special IMHO.

I would have set it in New York in the 20's, had the Human Dalek look very Cthulu-like....and included H.P. Lovecraft as a character.

Lovecraft would, of course, act like the huge racist that he is....and get put into his place by Martha.

The adventure would serve as an inspiration for the Cthulu stories.

[Cyke]

So long as the Daleks get a couple good episodes per incarnation of the Doctor, I'm happy.

And the Daleks got a good couple episodes with Tennant last series. The two-parter this series wasn't anything special IMHO.

I would have set it in New York in the 20's, had the Human Dalek look very Cthulu-like....and included H.P. Lovecraft as a character.

Lovecraft would, of course, act like the huge racist that he is....and get put into his place by Martha.

The adventure would serve as an inspiration for the Cthulu stories.

That's too close of a premise to the Shakespeare story. Though, it might've been a bit tighter, too.

[ragnarok_2012]

That's too close of a premise to the Shakespeare story. Though, it might've been a bit tighter, too.

I know it's similar in premise to the Shakespeare story, and I'm glad you like my idea.

I personally loathed the Shakespeare story.

I accept that Doctor Who is a fantasy/family friendly horror show thinly disguised as science fiction.

But the witches were too blatantly magical for my tastes.

[ChrisIII]

BTW the DVD set containing Time-flight and Arc Of Infinity (apparentally not Snakedance-best to save that until Kinda's been released) is set for a Summer UK release.


Also a special bonus thing is going to play at the end of the Lazarus Experiment, due to the postponement of 42. There's a picture of John Simm as "Saxon" next to the home page announcement, so it might have something to do with him.

[Cyke]

I know it's similar in premise to the Shakespeare story, and I'm glad you like my idea.

I personally loathed the Shakespeare story.

I accept that Doctor Who is a fantasy/family friendly horror show thinly disguised as science fiction.

But the witches were too blatantly magical for my tastes.

Hey, any chance to include Lovecraft into any other work of fiction, I'm completely for. Even the Power Rangers had a Cthulu-type end-boss in a season finale.

Frankly, I was hoping that's what the Ood would be in the Satan Pit two-parter last yar. It would've been great to see 'Satan' and descendents of Cthulu working together.

And yes, much of Lovecraft would've been more Who-like than the witches, I agree.

[king mob]

I guess I'm not at all sure why exactly it is that the people who own the rights to the Daleks shouldn't get paid an appropriate amount of money for their use?

Care to explain?

The problem is the Nation estate happily licensed out the Daleks to the likes of Nestle to use in Kit-Kat ads, or let Victor Lewis-Smith use them in 'TV Offal' (http://www.bbc.co.uk/comedy/guide/articles/t/tvoffal_66602210.shtml). Then the new series came along and they asked ridiculous money from the BBC along with conditions of use as the estate was worried they might not use the Daleks 'right'. Russel Davies was fully prepared to go with a new monster than use the Daleks, it got that bad in negotiations.

The problem is the BBC is not a limitless resource, it has to account for money spent to the government and us lot who pay the license fee. The BBC made an offer which ended up being much, much higher than one would expected them to pay. This is partly why the Daleks are so heavily marketed as toys, it's a way for the BBC to get it's, and our, dosh back.

[king mob]

But the witches were too blatantly magical for my tastes.

That would have lost an obvious Shakespeare reference if the witches hadn't been included.

[lonewolf23k]

Consider.. Dalek Cann is now the last of it's race. Effectively, it's now just "The Dalek". In short, it's now a perfect "Arch-Enemy" for the Doctor. What if it decided to just go "screw rebuilding the Dalek race, I'll just conquer the Universe for myself"? It could become obsessed with destroying the Doctor, and the two would end up waging the Last Battle of the Time War over and over again...

[ragnarok_2012]

That would have lost an obvious Shakespeare reference if the witches hadn't been included.

I appreciate references in the context of a well told story.

It didn't work for me.

I did appreciate the "dark lady" reference though, Shakespeare geek that I am.

[rick]

The problem is the Nation estate happily licensed out the Daleks to the likes of Nestle to use in Kit-Kat ads, or let Victor Lewis-Smith use them in 'TV Offal' (http://www.bbc.co.uk/comedy/guide/articles/t/tvoffal_66602210.shtml). Then the new series came along and they asked ridiculous money from the BBC along with conditions of use as the estate was worried they might not use the Daleks 'right'. Russel Davies was fully prepared to go with a new monster than use the Daleks, it got that bad in negotiations.

The problem is the BBC is not a limitless resource, it has to account for money spent to the government and us lot who pay the license fee. The BBC made an offer which ended up being much, much higher than one would expected them to pay. This is partly why the Daleks are so heavily marketed as toys, it's a way for the BBC to get it's, and our, dosh back.


I just don't see the problem, the Daleks are after all, the Nations estates property to do with as they will.

There is no doubt at all, that through merchandising, the BBC makes a huge sum of money off of the Daleks and it is just perfectly resonable for the Nation estate to expect to get a nice cut in the process.

It is not like the BBC or the British public is somehow losing money on the deal.

[king mob]

I just don't see the problem, the Daleks are after all, the Nations estates property to do with as they will.

There is no doubt at all, that through merchandising, the BBC makes a huge sum of money off of the Daleks and it is just perfectly resonable for the Nation estate to expect to get a nice cut in the process.

It is not like the BBC or the British public is somehow losing money on the deal.

It's best to put Doctor Who into context for a minute.

The BBC post Hutton Report (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hutton_Inquiry) was a place under severe government scrutiny, not to mention a place that was extremely nervous so spending 13 million quid (a fairly small amount in US terms for a programme, a huge amount in UK terms as it was the biggest budget for any drama series that year) on Doctor Who was a huge risk.

The BBC (or British telly in general) had pretty much given up doing telefantasy in prime time. Only Vic & Bob's 'Randall & Hopkirk' revamp and 'Sea Of Souls' had popped up on BBC One schedules before Who returned. ITV had made 'The Second Coming' (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Second_Coming_%28TV_serial%29) (which was pretty much a dry run for the revamp of Doctor Who) but these were rare exceptions to normal programming.

So this is why so much was riding on New Who being a hit. It'd had millions spent on a programme that when it was last on had become a joke and was reduced to being watched (yes, the BBC had engineered this by sticking up against Corrie) by it's diehard fans. So the last thing the production team need was the Nation estate getting pissy about the BBC's use (some background here (http://www.shannonsullivan.com/drwho/serials/2005f.html)) of the Daleks.

It wasn't so much the money(which from reports was lots more than the programme had budgeted for), but as Davies has said in interviews it was the conditions the estate put upon them that proved a problem initially.

Thankfully the programme was a hit, the BBC and the Nation estate are coining it as the Daleks have been the top selling kids toys the last few years. However the situation at the BBC is that the current Director General Mark Thompson is cutting jobs and budgets in order to meet the reduced resources the BBC currently have. The fear is that the Nation estate will play the same games in order to have the Daleks in the programme. Now the BBC are making money out the programme but it would be a shame if something else had it's budget cut (or wasn't even made) in order to boost the funds of Doctor Who.

At the minute this is fairly academic. There's a feeling the Daleks have been overused and need a rest and might not come back for a while.

[king mob]

That was a nice old-school type of episode (reverse the polarity indeed) with a nice touch of Quatermass about it, especially the ending. Nice to see Mark Gatiss in a serious part for a change as well, plus Martha's family actually seem to be there to service the plot than be rejects from 'Eastenders' as Rose's family was in the start.

The Mr. (Harold?!) Saxon storyline fully kicked into gear as well. Shame that there's no episode for two weeks because of Eurovision. Ah well, it did mean the trailer is rather good because of the two week gap.

[rick]

That was a nice old-school type of episode (reverse the polarity indeed) with a nice touch of Quatermass about it, especially the ending. Nice to see Mark Gatiss in a serious part for a change as well, plus Martha's family actually seem to be there to service the plot than be rejects from 'Eastenders' as Rose's family was in the start.

The Mr. (Harold?!) Saxon storyline fully kicked into gear as well. Shame that there's no episode for two weeks because of Eurovision. Ah well, it did mean the trailer is rather good because of the two week gap.



I thought it was a decent enough episode, but in it's own way, mostly filler.

But I am really glad to see Saxon finally start making his move.

I think the second half of the season is going to be classic, but man am I sorry I have to wait two weeks to see it.

[TCJohnson]

I didn't like this episode, although it was better than evolution.

It was just too predictable. When the biggest plot twist is that somebody named Dr. Lazerus comes back from the dead, then it is not a very good Doctor Who episode.

[rick]

Here is the real reason that Christopher Eccleston (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLrmm8zfjvA&mode=related&search=) quit Doctor Who. :eek:

[king mob]

I thought it was a decent enough episode, but in it's own way, mostly filler.

But I am really glad to see Saxon finally start making his move.

It was filler but it was fun filler, even if it did 'borrow' heavily from Quatermass.

I think the second half of the season is going to be classic, but man am I sorry I have to wait two weeks to see it.

The Doctor cannot defeat the camp juggernaut of Eurovision.

[Cyke]

Posted on another board:

I thought this episode was okay. The Doctor does bring up a good point, though: why does everyone's moms hate him? :)

My main problem with the episode was the conclusion. I was pleasantly surprised when Lazarus was defeated the first time and hauled into the ambulance, only for the medics to bite it and Lazarus getting away. I thought the dialogue between Lazarus and the Doctor in the cathedral was sweetly poetic.

But, once Martha jumped the gun and ran off, turning into a standard chase once again, that's when I felt a bit disappointed. I would've preferred a subtler approach to end the conflict rather than one big action sequence, simply because we gain so much insight into the Doctor's present character, and that maybe Lazarus should've at least tried to redeem himself by accepting that the Doctor was right. Was the final chase complex and expensive looking? Yes. Was it anti-climactic? In my opinion, also yes.

Note on the series-remainder preview: John Simm looks *extra* creepy for the mere 5 seconds we see him. A nearly homicidal-maniac look would be a GREAT change for the Master, as opposed to the mustache-twirling Master we're generally used to seeing (which isn't a bad thing, of course. I just like the new change. The Doctor's approach and personality can change, so why can't the Master?).

[tricksterpup]

I personally enjoyed it. I thought it was fun watch on a quiet sunday after noon.

But what does everyone think of this years Theme?
So far it looks to be failed evolution of man by outside sources.

[Cyke]

I personally enjoyed it. I thought it was fun watch on a quiet sunday after noon.

But what does everyone think of this years Theme?
So far it looks to be failed evolution of man by outside sources.

Hm, I could see the 5 Billion episode, the Dalek two-parter, and this episode as part of the theme.

What about Smith and Jones and The Shakespeare Code?

[Jack]

Something I meant to bring up yesterday... as I was watching the episode, I wondered to myself if Lazarus had been seen before - specifically, in the Empty Child and the Doctor Dances, the episodes set in London during the Blitz, and featuring advanced alien medical technology. That would make a certain degree of sense, if he was exposed to something that miraculous as a child and went on to do what he did.

[Cyke]

Something I meant to bring up yesterday... as I was watching the episode, I wondered to myself if Lazarus had been seen before - specifically, in the Empty Child and the Doctor Dances, the episodes set in London during the Blitz, and featuring advanced alien medical technology. That would make a certain degree of sense, if he was exposed to something that miraculous as a child and went on to do what he did.

The thought had occurred to me, too. But I perished the thought simply because, if that kind of retroactive connection could be forged between those episodes, then it would make 40+ yrs of 'continuity' (take that as you will) even THAT more confusing. All those Egyptian pharoah stories are connected, all those London blitz stories are connected, etc. etc.

With all that said, I think the only stories that are connected in such a fashion are the Dalek stories.

[king mob]

My main problem with the episode was the conclusion. I was pleasantly surprised when Lazarus was defeated the first time and hauled into the ambulance, only for the medics to bite it and Lazarus getting away. I thought the dialogue between Lazarus and the Doctor in the cathedral was sweetly poetic.

But, once Martha jumped the gun and ran off, turning into a standard chase once again, that's when I felt a bit disappointed. I would've preferred a subtler approach to end the conflict rather than one big action sequence, simply because we gain so much insight into the Doctor's present character, and that maybe Lazarus should've at least tried to redeem himself by accepting that the Doctor was right. Was the final chase complex and expensive looking? Yes. Was it anti-climactic? In my opinion, also yes.



I didn't mind the end. Yes it was something that would have made Nigel Kneale spin in his grave, but it was fun and featured a lovely little performance by Gattiss who managed to show his range beyond 'The League Of Gentleman'.

The thing is it was really old Who revamped. So the Doctor stumbles across an idea or plot, it goes horribly wrong and then an elongated chase takes place. If that had been a story during the latter years of Who then it would have been spun out for twice the length.

I'm surprised how organised this series is-the Saxon storyline hasn't been rammed down our throats and the introduction to Martha (something hugely risky considering how popular Rose was) has been a joy. Perhaps Davies has finally settled in and found out what he wants to do?

[Gorthaur]

Here is the real reason that Christopher Eccleston (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLrmm8zfjvA&mode=related&search=) quit Doctor Who. :eek:That's brilliant.

Even if it makes me miss Eccleston that much more.

[Cyke]

I didn't mind the end. Yes it was something that would have made Nigel Kneale spin in his grave, but it was fun and featured a lovely little performance by Gattiss who managed to show his range beyond 'The League Of Gentleman'.

Maybe my reaction to the scene in the cathedral just says that much about Gattiss: that his performance was so good with Tennant that I wanted to see more exchange. The debate between Lazarus and the Doctor was REALLY engaging, I think.

I'm surprised how organised this series is-the Saxon storyline hasn't been rammed down our throats and the introduction to Martha (something hugely risky considering how popular Rose was) has been a joy. Perhaps Davies has finally settled in and found out what he wants to do?

Also agreed. After a while, I was kind of getting sick of the Torchwood references and the burgeoning romance between Rose and Rose's fantasy (I'll still argue vehemently to this day that the Doctor loved Rose, but wasn't IN love :) ).

Methinks that Series 3 won't be as good as Series 1, but certainly better than Series 2. At least, I hope for a little bit of consistency. Series 2 was good but just all over the place; when it stunk, it stunk, and when it was great, it was fantastic.

[The Fury]

Was behind by 3 weeks until yesterday. All good, and look forward to where this is going.

[ChrisIII]

Has anybody seen BabelColour's Doctor Who music videos on Youtube? Hilarious and well-timed stuff:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzrcwXKikBI

[Paul McEnery]

I thought it was a decent enough episode, but in it's own way, mostly filler.


Oh I don't know. By the end of the series, I think we'll see this as a key episode.

What with the other theme throughout being alien species artificially extending their own lives. The witches. The vampire. The face of Bo. The Daleks. And now, with Lazarus, humans trying to do it (no doubt with the help of the Master).

Which all puts The Doctor in a bit of a sticky position, what with the recurrent line "everything has its time".

[rick]

Oh I don't know. By the end of the series, I think we'll see this as a key episode.

What with the other theme throughout being alien species artificially extending their own lives. The witches. The vampire. The face of Bo. The Daleks. And now, with Lazarus, humans trying to do it (no doubt with the help of the Master).

Which all puts The Doctor in a bit of a sticky position, what with the recurrent line "everything has its time".



Actually I agree that the information passed along this episode was important, but the actual front action was sort of just there to fill time while the big stuff got passed on.

As for the Master, he certanly fits the bill of a person trying to artifically extend their lives.

I mean forget regeneration, isn't he on like his fourth replacement body already.

[ChrisIII]

Apparentally this clip is from the new Arc DVD-like "Dalek Invasion of Earth" "Ark in Space" "Earthshock" and "Revelation of the Daleks" it'll apparentally have the option of improved FX:

http://www.purpleville.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/temp/ArcNewEffects.wmv

[ultramandingo]

weeeeeeeee! my girlfreind just came back from london and brought me back the " 12 " radio -controled dalek " and a 30 year old bottle of scotch! im gona start drinking and make the dalek fight my roomba vaccum cleaner to the death!!!!!

[ChrisIII]

^There's actually a few variants of that toy, such as the "Sec" version and also extremely rare "Pyro-flame" and Royal Guard models.

Product Enterprise also has R/Cs of the classic series Daleks, but they're pretty hard to find.

[king mob]

Kylie is apparently confirmed for the Christmas special.

Kylie Minogue has confirmed that she will be appearing in an episode of Doctor Who.

Rumours that the Australian pop star was being lined up to play a "sexy Cyberwoman" in this year's Christmas special first hit the tabloids last month.

Asked by InStyle magazine if the reports were true, Kylie replied: "Yes. My gay husband [her stylist, William Baker] is so excited about it! But I'm not going to play a villain."

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/cult/a46473/kylie-confirms-doctor-who-role.html

[blackphoenix]

I've finally getting to see the first season of the new series(which probably would count as season 27 if you add in the old series) on my local PBS station and I luv it to bits! A few questions:

1)Without spoiling anything major, do the Doctor and Rose ever become a couple?

2)Why didn't they ever do anything with the 8th Doctor that appeared in that BBC/Fox co-produced TV movie? Whatever happened to his Companions(that blonde doctor chick[a MEDICAL doctor] and that Asian dude)?

3)Why does the Doctor call himself "Doctor?" Does he have any actual medical training at all?

[torippu]

Kylie is apparently confirmed for the Christmas special.



http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/cult/a46473/kylie-confirms-doctor-who-role.html

I'm kind of excited about this news.

[Sean Whitmore]

3)Why does the Doctor call himself "Doctor?" Does he have any actual medical training at all?

I think he's a doctor like Doctor Pepper's a doctor.


SEAN

[Paul McEnery]

I've finally getting to see the first season of the new series(which probably would count as season 27 if you add in the old series) on my local PBS station and I luv it to bits! A few questions:

1)Without spoiling anything major, do the Doctor and Rose ever become a couple?

You wouldn't thank me if I told you.


2)Why didn't they ever do anything with the 8th Doctor that appeared in that BBC/Fox co-produced TV movie? Whatever happened to his Companions(that blonde doctor chick[a MEDICAL doctor] and that Asian dude)?

It was crap.

However, Paul McGann appeared in many Big Finish cassette adventures that have been aired on BBC radio (not to mention many many novels).

3)Why does the Doctor call himself "Doctor?" Does he have any actual medical training at all?

He likes to neuter cats.

[ChrisIII]

The Doctor has said he has had a doctorate in a few things over the course of the series. I think in the classic series THE MOONBASE he mentions it.
However, why he chose the particular title is still a mystery.

As for Paul Mcgann, as mentioned above he still plays the Doctor in Big Finish's audio adventures, along with Davison, Colin Baker and McCoy. In addition to about a hundred novels the Eigth Doctor also appeared in a monthly comic strip in DWM. As for Grace and Chang Lee, Grace made an appearence in the comic strips and Daphne Ashbrook played another character in the audio series. Same with the guy who played Chang Lee, he's been in a few audios as well such as REAL TIME as different characters. However, the Eigth Doctor has been given new companions in most spin-off media.

[Captain Jim]

1)Without spoiling anything major, do the Doctor and Rose ever become a couple?

How can anyone possibly respond to that without spoiling anything?

[Matt]

The Doctor does have medical training, it was mentioned somewhere in the classic series, but it's not terrible modern even by 20th century standards.

When people asked him what he was a Doctor of, his usual reply was along the lines of "just about everything."

[Cyke]

The Doctor does have medical training, it was mentioned somewhere in the classic series, but it's not terrible modern even by 20th century standards.

When people asked him what he was a Doctor of, his usual reply was along the lines of "just about everything."

What I *do* like about the Doctor is that, despite all his genius, he's failed some of his classes in his youth. It gives regular folks like me a bit of comfort that even the mighty Doctor can fail in class and still be a Doctor (maybe he failed b/c of just sheer disinterest, like so many other college students?).

It also says something of his personality, too, that he takes the time to learn a *heck* of a lot (science, culture, history, etc. etc) in his spare time just for recreation, despite being bored at the Academy when he was younger.

[Karl H]

Apparently Woody Allen has been confirmed for this year's Christmas special in addition to Kylie. Wow...

[Matt]

If you include the EU, then the Doctor failed on purpose so he wouldn't be given a high ranking (but also really, really boring) job in the Time Lord citadel. It didn't impress his family as shown in Lungbarrow

[Matt]

Apparently Woody Allen has been confirmed for this year's Christmas special in addition to Kylie. Wow...

I wouldn't believe either of those.

[Karl H]

I wouldn't believe either of those.

true, it did come from the Sun's website!!!! lol

[king mob]

I wouldn't believe either of those.


The Kylie rumour does appear to be confirmed which is why Outpost Gallifrey are crying into their milk. After all casting a cheery pop singer would mean disaster for the programme.

[Karl H]

The Kylie rumour does appear to be confirmed which is why Outpost Gallifrey are crying into their milk. After all casting a cheery pop singer would mean disaster for the programme.

yeah. who would want to risk the off chance that it might attract ratings and get more people into well written sci-fi.

[LordEd1976]

yeah. who would want to risk the off chance that it might attract ratings and get more people into well written sci-fi.

They should get over it. And they should recall that the Beatles put in an appearance early in the old series. I believe it was in a Troughton story.

[Cyke]

They should get over it. And they should recall that the Beatles put in an appearance early in the old series. I believe it was in a Troughton story.

Hartnell story, I believe. But seeing an old coot smiling to the Beatles was such a (delightfully) drastic thing to do back in the day.

Leave it to the Doctor to legitimize the devil music known as 'Rock and/or Roll.' :)

[mattx110]

The Kylie rumour does appear to be confirmed which is why Outpost Gallifrey are crying into their milk. After all casting a cheery pop singer would mean disaster for the programme.

this time it's only a cameo and she's got acting experience.
some people will cry about anything.

[Tobias March]

Hartnell story, I believe. But seeing an old coot smiling to the Beatles was such a (delightfully) drastic thing to do back in the day.

Leave it to the Doctor to legitimize the devil music known as 'Rock and/or Roll.' :)

http://youtube.com/watch?v=6UkbNlTAIPI

Thanks for inspiring me to look this up

[Tobias March]

this time it's only a cameo and she's got acting experience.
some people will cry about anything.

Unlike you I remember The Delinquents :p

[ChrisIII]

I think some fans are a little nervous that RTD will turn into a JNT clone-guest stars and all that....


Anyway, the show had Billie Piper for two years, and she of course was a fairly famous pop singer before WHO....


Plus Kylie's a WHO fan. Apart from the whole Cyberwoman thingy, there's also that candid photo of her reading "Camera obscura" one of the who books.

[Karl H]

Unlike you I remember The Delinquents :p

you forgot Streetfighter... lol!

[king mob]

I think some fans are a little nervous that RTD will turn into a JNT clone-guest stars and all that....



JNT was very guilty of genuine stunt casting with the likes of Nicholas Parsons, Ken Dodd, Beryl Reid, Hale & Pace and Bonnie Langford. Davies has pretty much avoided it with the exception of Catherine Tate, though if you look at OG you'd think he'd stuck the cast of Eastenders and Home & Away in every episode.

[ragnarok_2012]

2)Why didn't they ever do anything with the 8th Doctor that appeared in that BBC/Fox co-produced TV movie?


I am under the impression that it would have cost too much money to secure the rights to the Paul McGann era Doctor for the first episode of the new series (to show him regenerating).

The television character is at least partly owned by an American company, I believe. So he can apparently appear only in books & audio series.

I thought the movie was bad, but McGann was great in the role.

I also loved the TARDIS set. That's my favorite version of the TARDIS.

[ChrisIII]

Paul was actually willing to do a regeneration, but was never asked. Apparentally RTD didn't want to confuse new viewers by starting the show with a regeneration, and also wanted a fresh, different take on the Doctor than Mcgann's.

There are apparent rights issues which have prevented a Region 1 release of the TV movie. Although it's far from the best WHO story, it'd be nice to have it on a format other than VHS recorded off TV.


BTW The Time Warrior-The opener of Pertwee's final season and the first appearence of Sarah Jane Smith and the Sontarans-is rumored for a September UK release along with the long-awaited R2s of season 16, The Key To Time.

[Cyke]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=6UkbNlTAIPI

Thanks for inspiring me to look this up

Courtesy of your link, I had to watch it again. And I have this to say:

BAH! No shots of George Harrison?! That's CRIMINAL.

The title of that clip should be Doctor Who and the Beatles (minus George). :mad:

[Paul McEnery]

There are apparent rights issues which have prevented a Region 1 release of the TV movie. Although it's far from the best WHO story, it'd be nice to have it on a format other than VHS recorded off TV.

Really, it wouldn't.

[king mob]

Paul was actually willing to do a regeneration, but was never asked. Apparentally RTD didn't want to confuse new viewers by starting the show with a regeneration, and also wanted a fresh, different take on the Doctor than Mcgann's.

Davies wanted a fresh start for a new audience that were unfamiliar with the programme, there was no problem with McGann but they never wanted to make the mistake of the film and clog it down with continuity from the start.



BTW The Time Warrior-The opener of Pertwee's final season and the first appearence of Sarah Jane Smith and the Sontarans-is rumored for a September UK release along with the long-awaited R2s of season 16, The Key To Time.

It's a (by Robert Holmes standards) poor story but it's ten times more fun than some of the later historicals.


And now, spoilers possibly, so don't look.















The gossip site Popbitch had this snippet in this week's mailout. Take it with a pinch of salt but they have been spot on in the past.


>> Dr What <<
Season-end spoilers. Possibly.

We're told this is how Dr Who ends this year...

* John Simm as Mr Saxon, the PM, gets taken
over by The Master.
* The Master did this by hiding from the
time war in the Tardis and waiting for the
right body to come along (like in Hellraiser 3)
* The Master becomes a Timelord again by
splicing The Doctor's DNA and temporarily
taking over Dr Who's body.
* cliff-hangers at end are whether The Doctor
rids himself of The Master, and whether the
big explosion you see is Galifrey or Earth.

[ChrisIII]

Apparentally now "Planet of Evil" is rumored for a fall release.


"Planet of Evil" is kind of considered one of the lesser Hinchcliffe/Baker serials, but I think it's pretty good-it's in keeping with the sci-fi take on horror movie themes from most early Bakers-this time, Dr. Jekkl and Mr. Hyde....It's also the first Tom Baker with a TARDIS interior shot. Michael Wisher also appears in another of his WHO roles. (Wisher was the original Davros but has done a lot of other WHO stuff).

Interestingly, elements of this serial seem similar to THE LAZARUS EXPERIMENT, in particular the bad guy leaving behind mummified corpses.

[blackphoenix]

Alrighty, maybe it was a might foolish to ask about the Rose/Doctor thing. I'll just wait and see how it unfolds.

There was a DR. Who movie that was released to theatres back in the'60's with Peter Cushing(I think) in England. Did that one ever go to DVD?

[king mob]

There was a DR. Who movie that was released to theatres back in the'60's with Peter Cushing(I think) in England. Did that one ever go to DVD?

There were two films released in the UK in the 60's (Dr. Who and the Daleks and Dalek Invasion Earth) and both are available on DVD in the UK, i'm not aware of their availability in the US.

[king mob]

Apparentally now "Planet of Evil" is rumored for a fall release.




There's probably at least two new DVD's coming out in the autumn as the BBC tries to up it's release schedule.

[ChrisIII]

Both films are available in the US individually as well in a set with the "Dalekmania" documentary.


Basically, the films are loose color adaptations of the TV stories, "The Daleks" and "The Dalek Invasion of Earth". They star Cushing as a watered-down version of the first Doctor, somewhat more whimsical and friendlier than Hartnell-and also clearly a human inventor as oppossed to an alien exile. The companions have also been recast and altered as well-Barbera is now the Doctor's granddaughter and both she and Ian (Ian is reduced to comic relief) are written out of the next film, replaced by a police officer and a niece of the Doctor's. The films have arguably dated worse than the serials they're based on, with some very 60's art direction. As for the Daleks, they're given a nifty redesign and do okay, some of which would be incorporated into the most recent Dalek look.

[ChrisIII]

Also, they are in no way, shape or form part of the WHO 'canon' (Although canon is sort of a loose term in WHO...) although I suppose you could make it work as some sort of bizzare alternate universe :)


There was a film planned on the serial "The Chase"-the story which had the Daleks pursue the Doctor and co. through time and space (Such as a Tatooineseque desert planet, the Marie Celeste, New York, an odd haunted house and an abandoned colony ruled by the "Mechanoids"). However box office returns on Dalek Invasion Earth were dissiapointing so nothing further was ever done with Cushing's Doctor. (Although I believe there is one or two WHO spin-off fictions which feature him).

[ChrisIII]

A clip from Utopia (Definite spoilers here):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFr9IF746JI&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fcommunity%2Elivejournal%2Ecom%2F lifeonmartha%2F151255%2Ehtml%3Fview%3D1525719

[rick]

That looked just awsome.

I did like the way the Doctor started speeding things up when he noticed who was running toward the TARDIS.

Seems that somebody was trying to shake off the past a little.

[king mob]

Well Chris Chibnall managed to turn out a script that nearly made one forget about the horror of 'Torchwood'. Anyhow 42 was another cracking episode (even if it did share some similarities with Danny Boyle's 'Sunshine') with some tight performances, something new Who seemed to lose last series. The Mr. Saxon plotline was moved on without being jarring which is good, it's also shaping up brilliantly.

So another good episode and next week is the first of a great looking two-parter.

[rick]

This might be one for Matt to answer, but isn't the two parter coming up next week more or less the same story as one of the Who novels?

[king mob]

This might be one for Matt to answer, but isn't the two parter coming up next week more or less the same story as one of the Who novels?

It's based on Paul Cornell's own book 'Human Nature' & according to what Cornell was saying last week at the Expo, he's been allowed to do a very faithful adaptation of his own book.

[ChrisIII]

Here's a summary of the novel(Spoilers of course)

http://www.drwhoguide.com/who_na38.htm

[Tobias March]

Well Chris Chibnall managed to turn out a script that nearly made one forget about the horror of 'Torchwood'. Anyhow 42 was another cracking episode (even if it did share some similarities with Danny Boyle's 'Sunshine') with some tight performances, something new Who seemed to lose last series. The Mr. Saxon plotline was moved on without being jarring which is good, it's also shaping up brilliantly.


Bits of Solaris thrown in for good measure too - mixed with a dash of 24 :)

I was afraid what with all the ominous 'Burn with Me', talk that we were dealing with another of those damn demon things, like Abaddon and the creature in the Satan Pit. But no, thankfully, they swerved to avoid that.

Plus nice to see yet another cast member of Shameless appear :) I feel like I should start a drinking game. If Frank shows up thats worth two shots.

[drwho]

Is MArtha starting to turn into the the new Mel? I really had high hopes, but her character gets worse as the series progresses. I mean if you look back at Rose she is coming off as being more useful than Mrs. Jones has been.

[Tobias March]

Is MArtha starting to turn into the the new Mel? I really had high hopes, but her character gets worse as the series progresses. I mean if you look back at Rose she is coming off as being more useful than Mrs. Jones has been.

You think? The only disadvantage I can see to Martha is that her relationship with her mother is being exploited by Mr. Saxon to capture the Doctor.

[ragnarok_2012]

I feel that Martha's mum is entirely too sympathetic and likable.

Perhaps she could knife a homeless person to death or strangle some kittens.

I came across this earlier. It's a picture of the Colin Baker Doctor in his blue outfit:

http://www.monitorduty.com/mdarchives/SixthDoctorBlueCoat4.jpg

[Matt]

This might be one for Matt to answer, but isn't the two parter coming up next week more or less the same story as one of the Who novels?

Yes.

I'm not sure how well the story from the book will translate to the 10th Doctor, though. It worked for the 7th because that Doctor was becoming more and more detached, to the point where the Doctor realised he needed to do something.

Was what he did a good thing? Yes and no. The final chapter of the book certainly had mixed results for the Doctor.

[Cyke]

I feel that Martha's mum is entirely too sympathetic and likable.

Perhaps she could knife a homeless person to death or strangle some kittens.



Thank you so much for making my day :)

[ragnarok_2012]

Thank you so much for making my day :)

You are quite welcome.

[king mob]

Is MArtha starting to turn into the the new Mel? I really had high hopes, but her character gets worse as the series progresses. I mean if you look back at Rose she is coming off as being more useful than Mrs. Jones has been.


Yes it's shocking that she's coming over as charming and is only another positive role model for girls.

Bonnie Langford was stunt casting, Agyeman isn't and has given the series the kick up the arse it probably needed last time round.

[ChrisIII]

Mel-Much like the Doctors she worked with-had potential, just needed better scripts (as well as dress sense)-and for the most part, she's done well in the audios.


Apparentally "Human Nature" is getting really good advance word of mouth.

[ChrisIII]

Apparentally some documentary footage is being shot for the "Sea Devils" DVD. Interesting that it might get a release ahead of "Silurians" but "Devils" is probably much easier to restore.

So here's the release dates so far:

USA


New Beginnings US box set (Keeper Of traaken/Logopolis/Castrovavla)-June 6

Robot and Survival-August 14



UK


Robot-May 28

Timelash-June 25

Time Flight & Arc Of Infinity box set-August 6

Time Warrior & Key To Time Box Set-September

Planet Of Evil-October? November?

Sea Devils-?????

[ChrisIII]

The Sun says Freema will leave:


http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2001320029-2007240235,00.html


Then again, it's the Sun....they aren't always right.


If it's true, Freema's not the only one-season-only companion. Several of Hartnell's companions only stayed one year; so did Perwee's Liz Shaw; Harry Sullivan didn't stick around for long, Mary Tamm's Romana was only in the Key To Time Arc (Although Lalla's stuck around for a while) Kamelion only appeared in two stories, Mel hardly stuck around and more recently Adam and Captain Jack didn't appear too much, although Jack of course got his own show. Plus there's the one-story companions like Grace & Donna.

[Donald M.]

Aren't always right? When it comes to stuff like this it seems like they gleefully make stuff up just to fill space in the paper.

Weren't they saying that Billie Piper was going to leave after the first series too?

Plus, they continue to insist Eccleston quit after the first series, but hasn't it been established that he only ever intended to do one series?

[ChrisIII]

Reliable or not this has set off a bit of craziness at various WHO BBs.


I think Martha has, for the most part, been received positively by the fans. If Freema is leaving, I think it would probably have something to do with some kind of money dispute than her acting-I mean, come on, this is Doctor Who, not a show known especially for it's acting (Although there has been plenty of good performances on Who over the years).

[Monkey]

THAT was a great Doctor Who, I can't wait for part 2! Really liking this new series.

[ChrisIII]

I wonder if we'll see any more novel adaptation episodes? Although certain episodes have incorporated elements from the novels and audios ("Dalek" especially), this is the first time we've seen a mostly faithful translation, I think.


I'd like to think "Father Time" would make a cool episode or episodes.

[king mob]

THAT was a great Doctor Who, I can't wait for part 2! Really liking this new series.

It really was magnificent wasn't it? Wonderfully acted (Tennant turns in a great performance, Jessica Stephenson was lovely and Ageyman is just great again) and scripted. It threw enough nice little touches, Tennant saying his parents were called Sydney and Verity was a glorious moment and then there was the sketchbook. The sketchbook was one of those lovely little bits that play to the fanboys but don't detract from the larger story.

And here's a screengrab nicked from Outpost Gallifrey...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v305/Deadman97/doctors.jpg

A truely great bit of Who and a great bit of Saturday night telly. Plus it had scarecrows, a nice romance and genuinely scary bits for the kiddies. If the second part lives up to this part then it could well be my favourite bit of Who ever. It was that perfect.

[king mob]

Aren't always right? When it comes to stuff like this it seems like they gleefully make stuff up just to fill space in the paper.

Weren't they saying that Billie Piper was going to leave after the first series too?

Plus, they continue to insist Eccleston quit after the first series, but hasn't it been established that he only ever intended to do one series?

There's no sign that this is anything but space filling bollocks, plus not to mention slightly libellious, not something The Sun is averse to printing. There is a source they have who manage to get them some stories (return of K9 for example) but most tend to be half-true rumours or outright rubbish.

[Spike-X]

If the second part lives up to this part then it could well be my favourite bit of Who ever. It was that perfect.

I couldn't agree more. I honestly think I have just watched the best Doctor Who episode ever (so far).

[Spike-X]

Also, did anyone catch the "You are not alone" reference? Iiiiiiiiiiiiiiinteresting!

[Karl H]

Also, did anyone catch the "You are not alone" reference? Iiiiiiiiiiiiiiinteresting!

yeah i thought that was a really nice touch. Another great episode in keeping with the "transformation" idea running through the series.

[king mob]

Also, did anyone catch the "You are not alone" reference? Iiiiiiiiiiiiiiinteresting!

I did. I'm glad the Saxon plotline is being handled better than Torchwood last year.

[drwho]

Ok that episode was very good. Great acting and a few observations.

1. That little psychic kid looks weird lol.

2. Uh why couldnt the doctor turn human and still know he is ?
3. No more Martha have a love jones crush for the doctor, please. I mean give us a break already. She is like a mopey puppy chasing after him.

[Spike-X]

Uh why couldnt the doctor turn human and still know he is ?

a. Because the standard human brain would probably explode if it had to contain the amount of knowledge a travelling Time Lord acquires over a thousand or so years.

b. Because it makes for a much better story!

[rick]

I did really like the way they quietly brought the Paul McGann Doctor into continuity.

Plus whatever the badguys are, they were pretty creepy.

I wasn't all that nuts about last weeks episode since it really was just your typical Doctor Who, "run around the space ship set in a panic" episode, but last nights was really well done.

I am really looking forward to part two, with the combination of all the WWI imagery, the scarecrows and a obviously doomed love for the Doctor it should be great.

[Paul McEnery]

I did really like the way they quietly brought the Paul McGann Doctor into continuity.

Plus whatever the badguys are, they were pretty creepy.

I wasn't all that nuts about last weeks episode since it really was just your typical Doctor Who, "run around the space ship set in a panic" episode, but last nights was really well done.

I am really looking forward to part two, with the combination of all the WWI imagery, the scarecrows and a obviously doomed love for the Doctor it should be great.

Yeah, but the "I see your 24 and I raise you one 42" was pretty funny.

[Cyke]

Man, that was easily the best episode of this current series. I know fans are prone to saying something like that EVERY week, but this time, I do mean it. The pacing was great, the writing was great, and there were even some moments that got me just a bit angry (due to the Doctor being a human and thus fairly shallow and culturally ignorant, especially given the time period. His condescension at Martha was played perfectly, and I really wanted to hit Tennant, too )

The pacing and the suspense is definitely old school, I agree with that. But but but, one key difference I feel between this episode and much of Who (past and present) is that this story definitely feels a lot more multi-faceted with a different narrative approach. Sometimes it works well (Human Nature) and sometimes it doesn't (Love and Monsters), but this time around, words escape me.

Plus, yes, seeing McGann *finally* get props alongside the other veteran Doctors was a great treat. Hell, seeing five legends on one page on the official screen would normally be enough for me to wet my pants :)

(on a shallow and petty note: I'm pretty sure seeing the other Doctors on one page must've thrown the Outpost Gallifrey boards for a loop. I know there's still a small contingent who refuse to believe RTD Who is a continuation of the old show)

[ragnarok_2012]

It really was magnificent wasn't it? Wonderfully acted (Tennant turns in a great performance, Jessica Stephenson was lovely and Ageyman is just great again) and scripted. It threw enough nice little touches, Tennant saying his parents were called Sydney and Verity was a glorious moment and then there was the sketchbook. The sketchbook was one of those lovely little bits that play to the fanboys but don't detract from the larger story.

And here's a screengrab nicked from Outpost Gallifrey...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v305/Deadman97/doctors.jpg

A truely great bit of Who and a great bit of Saturday night telly. Plus it had scarecrows, a nice romance and genuinely scary bits for the kiddies. If the second part lives up to this part then it could well be my favourite bit of Who ever. It was that perfect.

Really nice episode.

Could anybody correct me on this? I'm gonna guess who's who

(back row, l to r) Sylvester McCoy, Paul McGann, William Hartnell

(front row, l to r) No idea, Peter Davison

Who's the guy pictured next to Peter Davison, anyway?

[Cyke]

Really nice episode.

Could anybody correct me on this? I'm gonna guess who's who

(back row, l to r) Sylvester McCoy, Paul McGann, William Hartnell

(front row, l to r) No idea, Peter Davison

Who's the guy pictured next to Peter Davison, anyway?
http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h101/DoomsdayZone/WHOWHO.gif

There ya go :)

[drwho]

that is way cool

[ragnarok_2012]

http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h101/DoomsdayZone/WHOWHO.gif

There ya go :)

that is way cool

Definitely.

Thanks!

Man, that so didn't look like Colin Baker to me.

[king mob]

(on a shallow and petty note: I'm pretty sure seeing the other Doctors on one page must've thrown the Outpost Gallifrey boards for a loop. I know there's still a small contingent who refuse to believe RTD Who is a continuation of the old show)


I took a quick look the other day to see if someone grabbed a screengrab of the sketchbook (as seen) and it was utter insanity. I find OG scary at the best of times but this was mental.

[ChrisIII]

I just got banned from OG-not because of any argument, spam, insult or others-but because I posted a clip of Jon Pertwee playing Star Wars: Dark Forces from Youtube! (Well, it's only a day ban, but still :( )

[king mob]

I got a week ban for telling someone (who I later found out was one of the moderators best mates) that he was being hysterical and should calm down a bit.

It's not a place I especially enjoy but it is very good for news.

[Cyke]

I got a week ban for telling someone (who I later found out was one of the moderators best mates) that he was being hysterical and should calm down a bit.

It's not a place I especially enjoy but it is very good for news.

News, reviews, and trivia, it's all pretty dependable, insightful, and interesting.

Community and message boards? Hoo-boy... :)

[Pro]

Just saw 42, great episode. Had me on the edge of my seat.

[Donald M.]

I did really like the way they quietly brought the Paul McGann Doctor into continuity.


I wasn't sure what you meant at first, but are you referring to the page in the journal with sketches of the Doctor's past incarnations? I noticed Sylvester McCoy's likeness but didn't get a good look at any of the others.

Edit: Nevermind, I should read the thread more closely.

[ragnarok_2012]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v374/Ragnarok_2012/Animated/Who-Davison.gif

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v374/Ragnarok_2012/Animated/Who-McCoy-1.gif

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v374/Ragnarok_2012/Animated/Who-McGann.gif

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v374/Ragnarok_2012/Animated/Who-Hartnell.gif

I was feeling creative tonight.

I think I like the Sylvester McCoy one best.

[Donald M.]

I think I like the Sylvester McCoy one best.

Yes, easily the most instantly recognizable. Hartnell and Colin Baker would be totally unrecognizable if you didn't have such a small pool to work from in figuring out who they are.

[ragnarok_2012]

Yes, easily the most instantly recognizable. Hartnell and Colin Baker would be totally unrecognizable if you didn't have such a small pool to work from in figuring out who they are.

McCoy's question mark handle & hat make it pretty dang easy.

I'm honestly surprised that there wasn't a Tom Baker picture on that page, given his popularity.

[Cyke]

McCoy's was the best rendered, though I recognized McGann's first simply because it took up so much of the page.

And, hell, seeing the Eighth Doctor in the center was such a big treat that I had to do a double take :)

[ChrisIII]

Interestingly Eccleston isn't there, but then again viewers are probably mostly aware who he is anyway....and it's possible he didn't want his likeness there (Might be the same with Tom Baker-out of all the Doctors, despite his long time on the program Baker has been the most reluctant about reprising his role-he didn't appear in any new footage in Five Doctors, he didn't do much in Dimensions in Time, and won't do any Big Finish plays). I'm not sure how the actor's likeness laws or whatever work in Britain.....

Also no Pertwee or Troughton, although that's clearly Hartnell.


Did anybody else spot K-9?


Also on a related note, Paul Cornell might be writing NEW EXCALIBUR.

[Captain Jim]

Did anybody else spot K-9?


Uh, no. Where?

[ChrisIII]

I think he's on the second page as the Doctor's flipping through.


BTW there's another look at the book at www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho showing all ten doctors.

[Captain Jim]

I think he's on the second page as the Doctor's flipping through.


Oh, I thought you ment on that page with the doctors. (I thought I must be going blind.)

[king mob]

Interestingly Eccleston isn't there, but then again viewers are probably mostly aware who he is anyway....and it's possible he didn't want his likeness there (Might be the same with Tom Baker-out of all the Doctors, despite his long time on the program Baker has been the most reluctant about reprising his role-he didn't appear in any new footage in Five Doctors, he didn't do much in Dimensions in Time, and won't do any Big Finish plays). I'm not sure how the actor's likeness laws or whatever work in Britain.....



Tom Baker is easing himself back into being involved with the programme again, his outpouring on the New Beginnings DVD seemed to chill him out. Plus a long time has passed and he has (possibly jokingly) said he'd do something on the new series.

The thing is Baker is now known to a new generation as the voice on 'Little Britain'; his time on Doctor Who is unknown to a large number of people and probably a large amount of current viewers of the programme of a younger age. He seems to be quite happy living off his second big burst of fame and I doubt if Baker (or any previous Doctor) will appear on the new programme.

[Donald M.]

Tom Baker is easing himself back into being involved with the programme again, his outpouring on the New Beginnings DVD seemed to chill him out. Plus a long time has passed and he has (possibly jokingly) said he'd do something on the new series.

The thing is Baker is now known to a new generation as the voice on 'Little Britain'; his time on Doctor Who is unknown to a large number of people and probably a large amount of current viewers of the programme of a younger age. He seems to be quite happy living off his second big burst of fame and I doubt if Baker (or any previous Doctor) will appear on the new programme.

That would be too bad. I still say they should get McGann and Eccleston on for a guest appearance so we can get a proper death and resurrection for the eighth Doctor. Since the novels and audios aren't canon, all he's really got is that one crummy tv movie.

[ragnarok_2012]

That would be too bad. I still say they should get McGann and Eccleston on for a guest appearance so we can get a proper death and resurrection for the eighth Doctor. Since the novels and audios aren't canon, all he's really got is that one crummy tv movie.

And the best TARDIS ever.

My favorite TARDIS set, at least.

I think the tv movie is awful, but I really did like McGann as the Doctor.

[Cyke]

And the best TARDIS ever.

My favorite TARDIS set, at least.

I think the tv movie is awful, but I really did like McGann as the Doctor.

I think that's the general concensus among Who fans: Great Doctor, crap movie.

I'm thinking the only way there'll ever be a multi-Doctor story in the near future is through a quick film series like Infinite Quest. And even the cartoon's canonicity is unclear, despite Tennant and Agyeman being in the production.

[king mob]

I think that's the general concensus among Who fans: Great Doctor, crap movie.

I'm thinking the only way there'll ever be a multi-Doctor story in the near future is through a quick film series like Infinite Quest. And even the cartoon's canonicity is unclear, despite Tennant and Agyeman being in the production.


Who really cares about 'canonicity' as long as it's a good story?

[Cyke]

Who really cares about 'canonicity' as long as it's a good story?

Outpost Gallifrey. ;)

[adamthered]

Sorry to change the subject for a sec...

I saw a blurb about a show on BBC1 called "Hustle" that's now on it's fourth series. It looked interesting. Worth checking out or should I run for the hills?

[Karl H]

Sorry to change the subject for a sec...

I saw a blurb about a show on BBC1 called "Hustle" that's now on it's fourth series. It looked interesting. Worth checking out or should I run for the hills?

it's utter crap and supurious bile. Ignore it.

Watch Spooks instead (I think it's called MI5 in the US).

[rick]

Sorry to change the subject for a sec...

I saw a blurb about a show on BBC1 called "Hustle" that's now on it's fourth series. It looked interesting. Worth checking out or should I run for the hills?



Season 4 of Hustle is not quite as good as the earlier seasons, however it is still one of the best shows on BBC.

I highly recomened it.

[rick]

it's utter crap and supurious bile. Ignore it.

Watch Spooks instead (I think it's called MI5 in the US).


Spooks is great, Hustle is better.

Both are in their own way very much in the style of the ITV shows from the 1960's.

[Karl H]

Yeah I just couldn't enjoy Hustle found it really up it's own arse.

[mattx110]

hustle has a great cast.
i haven't actually seen it. but marc warren is great, robert vaughan is better than his filmography, and it's got a glenister in it. and that can't be bad.

i want to see it eventually, but with doctor who and life on mars, i've got high standards for BBC programming. and there's no time travel...wtf.
edit: plus i like mr. writer producer tony jordan.

[king mob]

Hustle is ok, the first series is the best but Spooks is right to be recomended above it.

[king mob]

Outpost Gallifrey. ;)

I actually posted the same thing about 'canon' on OG a couple of years back and got a raging mob on my arse. Not a good thing really.

[adamthered]

Thanks for the recommendations guys. Since summer's here I'm looking for new stuff to fill the empty void in my viewing schedule.

[ChrisIII]

Canon's a tricky subject in Doctor Who fandom. Whereas Star Wars licensing says their spin-off stuff is canon, whereas Star Trek says it isn't, Doctor Who's production staff hasn't really had a clear position-this is probably because the majority of spin-off novels and audios were produced while the show was off the air.


Granted, Doctor Who seems to have a better relationship between the show and spin-off material than most shows do. A good chunk of the writers-RTD himself, Paul Cornell, Mark Gatiss, Gareth Roberts, Robert Sherman and Matthew Jones-wrote at least one novel or audio. So a few of the ideas carry over, and the latest episode-Human Nature/Family of Blood is of course an adaptation of a Seventh Doctor novel, although one wonders what happens to the continuity of that novel...and "Dalek" of course borrowed heavily from the audio Jubilee. Also I think the 2005 series had a few references to the spin-off novels spread throughout.


One explanation by fans for stuff that clashes with the new series is that the Time War erased some of the Doctor's past adventures from time, such as the original version of Human Nature. Another-one favored by Human Nature writer Paul Cornell-is that Doctor Who has always had a very loose continuity, somewhat like the James Bond series....after all, this is a series which has several Ends of the world (The Ark, Trial Of A Time Lord, End of the World) Several ends of Atlantis (Underwater Menace, Daemons, Time Monster) and several Loch Ness Monsters (Terror of the Zygons, Timelash etc.)

[ragnarok_2012]

I dearly love the first two seasons or so of Spooks/MI-5.

I feel it goes downhill as the original cast leaves, to be replaced by amoral adventurers. Weirdly enough, around the same time, transnational corporations seem to become the primary antagonists.

It's still written well, but it feels like there are absolutely no lines after the original characters leave.

Hustle I enjoyed for the first few episodes, but it felt a bit too repetitive.

[Paul McEnery]

That would be too bad. I still say they should get McGann and Eccleston on for a guest appearance so we can get a proper death and resurrection for the eighth Doctor. Since the novels and audios aren't canon, all he's really got is that one crummy tv movie.

Oh, once we've done the Master -- that is what's going to happen, right? -- then we've got to do a multiple Doctors story.

Which will give us the chance to have Rose back for a story, right?

[darkhanamaru]

Which will give us the chance to have Rose back for a story, right?

please no more ROSE...PLEASE (though i know it is kind of inevitable)

[Paul McEnery]

please no more ROSE...PLEASE (though i know it is kind of inevitable)

C'mon.

Rose has a three way with Tennent and Ecclestone. You know you want to see it.

[darkhanamaru]

C'mon.

Rose has a three way with Tennent and Ecclestone. You know you want to see it.

the doctor should be able to do better than that chav..

[mattx110]

the doctor should be able to do better than that chav..

you talking eccleston or billie with that comment?
cause one of them is a pop sensation...

plus, it'd be nice to have a story where tennant-doc ignores rose and brags about how much better martha is cause she's a doctor.

and then leela shows up.

don't ask me how, but i can give a reason why.

[Matt]

Nah. Susan shows up and because she's family, the Doctor ignores everyone else.

I mean, he hasn't seen her since 'The Five Doctors'.

[king mob]

Which will give us the chance to have Rose back for a story, right?

With the way Billie Piper's career is going it's unlikely she'll be able to come back to the programme, especially if Davies does leave after the fourth series.

[ChrisIII]

Maybe she'll return for a 50th anniversary special or something like that-perhaps by 2013 they'll be enough new Doctors to have a multi-Doctor story without Doctors from the classic series.

[king mob]

She's not ruled out a return, it's just she's apparently booked for the next few years. By 2013 we could have had another two Doctors as Tennant seems likely to be gone by 2009 and his replacement may only stay for the usual three year run.

[ChrisIII]

There seem to be some indications in the press that we'll see Tennant and RTD leave by the end of next year (The Sun of course is stating that the show will be cancelled once they leave(!) but the BBC have stated they'll continue with WHO post-RTD and Tennant). Although Tennant has stated he'll stay, three or four seasons is usually the norm for most Doctors, with the exception of Jon Pertwee, The Bakers, Mcgann and Eccleston.


The fan choice for replacement producer seems to be Stephen Moffat, but we'll probably end up with somebody else.


As for Tennant's replacement, some fans have expressed that an older, Pertwee-style Doctor would be nifty. Bill Nighy was rumored as a possible lead in 2005, but we got Eccleston instead. Bill would be a good choice; I think....

[mattx110]

There seem to be some indications in the press that we'll see Tennant and RTD leave by the end of next year (The Sun of course is stating that the show will be cancelled once they leave(!) but the BBC have stated they'll continue with WHO post-RTD and Tennant). Although Tennant has stated he'll stay, three or four seasons is usually the norm for most Doctors, with the exception of Jon Pertwee, The Bakers, Mcgann and Eccleston.


The fan choice for replacement producer seems to be Stephen Moffat, but we'll probably end up with somebody else.


As for Tennant's replacement, some fans have expressed that an older, Pertwee-style Doctor would be nifty. Bill Nighy was rumored as a possible lead in 2005, but we got Eccleston instead. Bill would be a good choice; I think....

so a phil glenister doctor wouldn't be out of the question? "G*ddamn F*cking Daleks, they're as bad the chinese. what are you staring at you pansy? get back in the Tardis and fetch me a beer, there's a mini-fridge under the bi-temporal transfixduceritiatior"

[adamthered]

so a phil glenister doctor wouldn't be out of the question? "G*ddamn F*cking Daleks, they're as bad the chinese. what are you staring at you pansy? get back in the Tardis and fetch me a beer, there's a mini-fridge under the bi-temporal transfixduceritiatior"

I can't stop laughing at this.

"Who are you?"

"I'm the sodding Doctor, you nancy boy Manc supportin' poof!"

Teeheheheeheee...

[ragnarok_2012]

As for Tennant's replacement, some fans have expressed that an older, Pertwee-style Doctor would be nifty. Bill Nighy was rumored as a possible lead in 2005, but we got Eccleston instead. Bill would be a good choice; I think....

I'd be fine with Nighy.

I think Richard Coyle would make a great Doctor.

[king mob]

There seem to be some indications in the press that we'll see Tennant and RTD leave by the end of next year (The Sun of course is stating that the show will be cancelled once they leave(!) but the BBC have stated they'll continue with WHO post-RTD and Tennant). Although Tennant has stated he'll stay, three or four seasons is usually the norm for most Doctors, with the exception of Jon Pertwee, The Bakers, Mcgann and Eccleston.

The BBC won't kill off one of their cash-cows at a time when they need as many of them as possible. As mentioned in The Guardian the other day, what seems likely is that after the next series there will be a shake up of staff but Davies will stay on as some form of consultant producer.



As for Tennant's replacement, some fans have expressed that an older, Pertwee-style Doctor would be nifty. Bill Nighy was rumored as a possible lead in 2005, but we got Eccleston instead. Bill would be a good choice; I think....

It won't be an older Doctor, well, not one as old as Nighy. There's a few more realistic names being thrown about but it's just too early to say while Tennant is still in the role and intends to go on for at least one more year.

[ChrisIII]

If Saxon is the Master wouldn't it be great if His hynotism powers and tissue decompression eliminator-the shrinking ray-came back?

[mattx110]

If Saxon is the Master wouldn't it be great if His hynotism powers and tissue decompression eliminator-the shrinking ray-came back?

then he holds up a Rose action figure just to mess with the doctor's head.

[Tobias March]

Nice conclusion (apart from the episode suddenly turning into a Spielberg film at the end) but I have to wonder.....where did they get the actor who played Baines? What an odd face.

Plus now we've had two actors from Spaced on the show. Any hopes of Brian Topp showing up? Or perhaps even Mike (that would be good)?

:D

[Monkey]

I didn't think a 2 part ending could be that good. Seriously the ending was like being hit by a sledge hammer.

[king mob]

I liked the end, even if it was a bit like a poppy appeal ad. It was one of many quivering lip moments in a very good conclusion to one of the best stories ever, which sounds very fanboyish but the praise is deserved. Another episode that showed off the casts acting abilities and should pretty much cement Martha as one of the best companions.

Next week is the Moffat episode and the trailer looks great, 'don't blink' indeed!

[jadrax]

Really good episode, very tragic on a lot of levels!