Doctor Who *spoilers*

[Spike-X]

Sky have this potential spoiler for series three. (http://showbiz.sky.com/showbiz/article/0,,50001-1230498,00.html)


Do bear in mind it could be utter shite.
Hmm. That sounds...well, like crap.

But we'll see, I guess.

I'm afraid to see what the folks at OG have to say about that, assuming their server hasn't exploded yet.

[rick]

Hmm. That sounds...well, like crap.

But we'll see, I guess.

I'm afraid to see what the folks at OG have to say about that, assuming their server hasn't exploded yet.


Honestly, I don't really like the idea either.

However, so far they have managed to keep the faith with us Whovians and I for one am willing to wait and see how it actually turns out.

[Mac Danny]

I just got the Dr Who 9th Doctor DVD set.. It's so cool. I recommend it!

Anyway I digress to my question.

So after watching the first season of the 10th doctor, which I love as much as I love my Magic Crystal Radio that brought it to me. I have a question about the episode "Doomsday"

Why didn't the TARDIS get all sucked into the void? Is it too damn heavy?

Thanks!

[ChrisIII]

Some photos have surfaced from season 3 filming:

http://www.historiccoventry.co.uk/pics/dr-who.html


Also despite earlier reports the Ice Warriors are not coming back, but we will see a suprising return villain (Not sure if they will be from the new series or classic).

[adamthered]

As much as I'm going to miss Rose, this new companion's going to be just as easy on the eyes :D

[Web of Fear]

Some photos have surfaced from season 3 filming:

http://www.historiccoventry.co.uk/pics/dr-who.html


Also despite earlier reports the Ice Warriors are not coming back, but we will see a suprising return villain (Not sure if they will be from the new series or classic).

Cool. Thanks for posting.

I'd like to see the return of the Ice Warriors (though I don't think their return was ever officially announced). Hope the "surprise return villain" isn't Cassandra.

[Ontir]

The Rani, perhaps?!?

Technically, the Master isn't a Timelord anymore, since he took over Nyssa's father's body all those years ago, and he was in some other body before that, so he may well have survived the Timewar.

[Web of Fear]

Given the amount of Daleks that survived the Time War, I'd suspect that one or two Time Lords might have survived as well.

[Popgun]

I have some pictures I snapped on the set of Torchwood the other week, but they aren't terribly exciting - it's a scene set in a supermarket where Torchwood receptionist Ianto (Gareth David-Lloyd) is chaperoning some people from the past played by Olivia Hallinan from Sugar Rush and Louise Delamere from No Angels, along with a ginger Welsh actor whose name escapes me.

[lonewolf23k]

The Rani, perhaps?!?

Technically, the Master isn't a Timelord anymore, since he took over Nyssa's father's body all those years ago, and he was in some other body before that, so he may well have survived the Timewar.


I once came up with the idea that the Master had survived the Timewars by downloading his consciousness into a Kamelyon robot, allowing him to assume any appearances he desired..

[Cyke]

I once came up with the idea that the Master had survived the Timewars by downloading his consciousness into a Kamelyon robot, allowing him to assume any appearances he desired..

It would be pretty bad if the Master and Cassandra had an affair.

[Sean Whitmore]

Hell. I waited until I'd seen all of Season 2 before coming to this thread, and now I've forgotten everything I wanted to say.

Just...what a good goddamn show.

I've enjoyed the worst episodes of the last two seasons more than I have most other shows currently being produced.

To anyone looking to covert non-Whovian friends: I've had incredible luck with "The Empty Child" and "The Doctor Dances". They hooked me cold when they aired on Sci Fi, and I just recently used them to hook my best friend on the series. :D Bastard's already seen more than I have...he's much better at working the Satellite Controlled Magic Crystal Radio Set than I am. :)


SEAN

[Ontir]

Maybe the Face of Bo is the Master!?!

[king mob]

The Rani, perhaps?!?

Technically, the Master isn't a Timelord anymore, since he took over Nyssa's father's body all those years ago, and he was in some other body before that, so he may well have survived the Timewar.

The Rani isn't iconic enough for the new series.

[Sean Whitmore]

The Rani isn't iconic enough for the new series.


You mean like the Nestene Consciousness? ;)


SEAN

[king mob]

The Rani isn't though. The Autons were from the era when the show was a mass audience show and it's that memory that Davies is trying to tap into. Getting Kate O'Mara or that bint from Footballer's Wives to ham it up doesn't tie into Davies use of 'classic' monsters and villians. I'd actually prefer the show to create its own monsters and villians.

Anyhoo, some casting news. (http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/news/jones.shtml)

For those who don't know, the phrase 'annoying twat' was invented for this bloke. Hopefully he'll shake that tag off.

[Web of Fear]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/news/cult/news/drwho/2006/08/31/36159.shtml

Looks good. Deleted scenes were, erm, missing from the season one set. Pleased to see the Children in Need special has made it in,as there was speculation that it wouldn't because it was for charity. It does explain why the TARDIS makes a crash landing at the start of the Christmas Invasion.

[ChrisIII]

According to sci-fi, the second season DVD box set will be available in region 1 on January 16th 2007.


Also probably coming next year to the USA-The Sontaran Experiment, The Invasion (With animated reconstructions of missing episodes), and the Master trilogy(Keeper Of Traaken/Logopolis/Castrovalva).


Coming this November of course is Mark Of The Rani and Hand Of Fear.

[Sean Whitmore]

What is it, exactly, with the release of old Doctor Who's stateside? I'm curious as to why they release so few at a time, but more curious about how they decide which ones to release. You'd think the Master episodes would have been some of the first, especially the final Baker episode.

What were the last two discs to be released, Inferno and Web Planet? I'm sure they're both fine episodes, but what makes them decide to release those instead of, say, the first Tom Baker episode? (Robot) The first time-travelling Dalek story? (The Chase) The final Patrick Troughton story? (War Games) The first Romana II story? (Destiny of the Daleks) The 8th Doctor movie? These are all rather pivotal episodes, and I know that all the footage still exists.

There may be a perfectly logical reason for it that I'm just not seeing, but I honestly don't get it.


SEAN

[ChrisIII]

The Eigth Doctor TV movie actually has been released in the UK, but due to some complicated rights issues it's been pretty much stuck there.

With 2 entertain helping out the WHO releases have gone up to 10 a year, from what I understand. So stuff should be coming up much faster. Sontaran Experiment for instance is the first stand-alone 2 parter that isn't a Colin Baker/Eccleston/Tennant story or part of a larger box set (ala t he Beginning)


Plenty of popular WHO has been released.
I think part of the reason is that they don't want to release all the 'hot' Who first. Otherwise, all they'd be left with are some not-so-good stories.

Inferno is pretty much considered a classic, it's the last series Seven parter and also ends Pertwee's darker-than-usual 1st season (season 7). It's Doctor Who's main 'evil alternate universe' episode ala Star Trek's MIRROR MIRROR, except in this one everyone who has facial hair in the regular universe is shaved clean in the alternate universe. :)


The Web Planet on the other hand, is pretty much bad Who...an attempt to create insect aliens which comes off as pretty laughable, and Hartnell flubs every other line.

[king mob]

What is it, exactly, with the release of old Doctor Who's stateside? I'm curious as to why they release so few at a time, but more curious about how they decide which ones to release. You'd think the Master episodes would have been some of the first, especially the final Baker episode.

What were the last two discs to be released, Inferno and Web Planet? I'm sure they're both fine episodes, but what makes them decide to release those instead of, say, the first Tom Baker episode? (Robot) The first time-travelling Dalek story? (The Chase) The final Patrick Troughton story? (War Games) The first Romana II story? (Destiny of the Daleks) The 8th Doctor movie? These are all rather pivotal episodes, and I know that all the footage still exists.

There may be a perfectly logical reason for it that I'm just not seeing, but I honestly don't get it.


SEAN

It's down to budget and popularity, plus they've tried to be representative of each Doctor which means you'll get an average Colin Baker story coming out before stuff like The Invasion.

As mentioned the releases have been bumped to about 10 a year, some stories will be released with stripped down extras (a commentary at best), while major stories will come with a full set of extras (the Return Of The Master set should come packed with stuff).

Also if The Invasion proves to be a success then the BBC would be able to release all the uncompleted Hartnell and Troughton stories. So that could mean we'll see an increase in releases.

[king mob]

The Web Planet on the other hand, is pretty much bad Who...an attempt to create insect aliens which comes off as pretty laughable, and Hartnell flubs every other line.


The Web Planet is huge fun, yes Hartnell fluffs lines but remember they never had time for a second take and they put out what they had. It's a nice example of early Who trying to explore something different.

[Ontir]

The Rani isn't though. The Autons were from the era when the show was a mass audience show and it's that memory that Davies is trying to tap into. Getting Kate O'Mara or that bint from Footballer's Wives to ham it up doesn't tie into Davies use of 'classic' monsters and villians. I'd actually prefer the show to create its own monsters and villians.

Anyhoo, some casting news. (http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/news/jones.shtml)

For those who don't know, the phrase 'annoying twat' was invented for this bloke. Hopefully he'll shake that tag off.

Given the Rani's genetic manipulations, she could be a really interesting return, perhaps trying to heal herself, or re-create the Timelords in the post-Time War universe. She may see the conclusion of that war, and the survival of the Doctor a bit less charitably than the way in which the Doctor has prevented the events, and his own continuation.

[Sean Whitmore]

I actually liked Hartnell flubbing his lines. Accidental or no, it was a nice character quirk to deflate the first Doctor's arrogance, and led to the "Chesterfield/Chesterton" running gag. And he proved he could deliver the goods whenever he had a powerful monologue.


Also if The Invasion proves to be a success then the BBC would be able to release all the uncompleted Hartnell and Troughton stories. So that could mean we'll see an increase in releases.


If so, I hope they do The Dalek's Master Plan next. Just from watching the reconstruction, it looks absolutely epic.


SEAN

[Matt]

I actually liked Hartnell flubbing his lines. Accidental or no, it was a nice character quirk to deflate the first Doctor's arrogance, and led to the "Chesterfield/Chesterton" running gag. And he proved he could deliver the goods whenever he had a powerful monologue.

Such as the phrase when Susan leaves the TARDIS. That's a great little speech.

[drwho]

Ok so Im in the us and just saw christmas invasion and first episode on sci fi. For some reason I found the christmas special extremely boring. Maybe because it is gonna take time to get used to this guy, but so far from what I've seen I'm not too crazy of David's portrayal as the Dr.

[ragnarok_2012]

Ok so Im in the us and just saw christmas invasion and first episode on sci fi. For some reason I found the christmas special extremely boring. Maybe because it is gonna take time to get used to this guy, but so far from what I've seen I'm not too crazy of David's portrayal as the Dr.

Try out the next episode (New New Earth).

If you don't like that episode, then you probably won't like season 2.

The Christmas Invasion doesn't really give you a good look at Tennant's Doctor IMHO.

[Sean Whitmore]

Try out the next episode (New New Earth).

If you don't like that episode, then you probably won't like season 2.

The Christmas Invasion doesn't really give you a good look at Tennant's Doctor IMHO.


It's funny, but I saw "New Earth" before I even knew there was a Christmas special, and I didn't think much of Tennant from that. It was the ending of "Christmas Invasion" that made me really respect the Tenth Doctor.


SEAN

[ragnarok_2012]

It's funny, but I saw "New Earth" before I even knew there was a Christmas special, and I didn't think much of Tennant from that. It was the ending of "Christmas Invasion" that made me really respect the Tenth Doctor.


SEAN

Really?

I know a lot of people went wild after seeing Tennant in the Christmas Invasion. Personally, I didn't feel I could get a very good grip on the character from his quickie "Let's figure out who I am" scene.

I enjoyed the Christmas Invasion. I really liked New Earth.

And I think it's fair to give the show another chance before deciding what one thinks about Tennant's Doctor.

[ragnarok_2012]

I don't want to spoil Season 3, but.....

http://pics.livejournal.com/assetic/pic/0010xfd1/s640x480

[Sean Whitmore]

Really?

I know a lot of people went wild after seeing Tennant in the Christmas Invasion. Personally, I didn't feel I could get a very good grip on the character from his quickie "Let's figure out who I am" scene.


I dunno, it just kinda worked for me. His flighty-to-merciless personality switches were a bit jarring at first, but after some thought it really defined him for me (especially if you subscribe to the theory that the previous Doctor's dying thoughts influence the following Doctor's personality).

The 10th Doctor desperatley wanted to be all fun and zany, and played the part perhaps further than he should have (sort of like a mix of Patrick Troguhton and Tom Baker). But beneath that, he's over a thousand years old and sick to death of all this "evil" nonsense, demonstrated in how he handled both the Cyccorax and the P.M.

It'll be very interesting to see how the events of the second season finale affect him, since learning that too much of the "fun and zany" persona can have consequences.


SEAN

[ragnarok_2012]

Re: New Earth.

Yeah, I had to ask what "chav" meant.

I'm man enough to admit it.

[Matt]

The Christmas Invasion doesn't really give you a good look at Tennant's Doctor IMHO.

Which is a pity since I think some of the best 10th Doctor moments are in The Christmas Invasion - especially the end wherein he mentions he suffers no second chances and causes the start of the collapse of the British government.

That's the sort of Doctor, the one in control of almost any situation, that I like. The later, with the almost childish and irresponsible traits, portrayal really started to bug me.

[ragnarok_2012]

Which is a pity since I think some of the best 10th Doctor moments are in The Christmas Invasion - especially the end wherein he mentions he suffers no second chances and causes the start of the collapse of the British government.

That's the sort of Doctor, the one in control of almost any situation, that I like. The later, with the almost childish and irresponsible traits, portrayal really started to bug me.

Yeah, I agree with you there.

I'm all for a certain whimsy. I don't want the Doctor to be perfect. But he did act pretty irresponsibly in the second series.

The episode with Queen Victoria is an excellent example of their irresponsibility. They both acted as if human life was meaningless.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

I watched the Sci-Fi channel Dr.Who for what it was. Nice show with the cat creatures and all. I'm no huge fan but it was nice sci-fi moments. The whole hospital thing was played well.

[rick]

Honestly I think that one of the points to the second season was to “remind” both the characters and the audience that despite the fun of being around the Doctor, that for most people an introduction to the Doctor actually means that horror, death and destruction are coming along for the ride.

It’s one of the reasons why I was so fond of the episode Gods & Monsters.

I know that several people just hated this episode (I'm looking at you, Matt!), but despite the goofiness of the thing for me, it really did show the consequences of entering the Doctors universe.

This guys only friends and the woman he is falling for are all either killed or destroyed, and all the Doctor or Rose are concerned about is that he upset Jackie. What happened was most certainly not the Doctors fault in any way, but in season two it was almost like they were trying to show that the Doctor and Rose were growing to used to their life and were so wrapped up in each other that they weren’t really paying attention to the bad things going on all around them.

And of course by the end of the season, both of them were brought back down to Earth (so to speak), by this blasé attitude.

Finally I wanted to add that I wasn’t all that crazy about the current Doctor until School Reunion. Not only was his interaction with Sarah spot on perfect, but his conversation with Anthony Head at the swimming pool really for the first time got across to me that David’s Doctor was one old, mean and extremely tough bird who was more then capable of carrying out any threat he ever made.

It was one of the best Doctor Who episodes ever .

[ragnarok_2012]

Honestly I think that one of the points to the second season was to “remind” both the characters and the audience that despite the fun of being around the Doctor, that for most people an introduction to the Doctor actually means that horror, death and destruction are coming along for the ride.

It’s one of the reasons why I was so fond of the episode Gods & Monsters.

I know that several people just hated this episode (I'm looking at you, Matt!), but despite the goofiness of the thing for me, it really did show the consequences of entering the Doctors universe.

This guys only friends and the woman he is falling for are all either killed or destroyed, and all the Doctor or Rose are concerned about is that he upset Jackie. What happened was most certainly not the Doctors fault in any way, but in season two it was almost like they were trying to show that the Doctor and Rose were growing to used to their life and were so wrapped up in each other that they weren’t really paying attention to the bad things going on all around them.

And of course by the end of the season, both of them were brought back down to Earth (so to speak), by this blasé attitude.

Finally I wanted to add that I wasn’t all that crazy about the current Doctor until School Reunion. Not only was his interaction with Sarah spot on perfect, but his conversation with Anthony Head at the swimming pool really for the first time got across to me that David’s Doctor was one old, mean and extremely tough bird who was more then capable of carrying out any threat he ever made.

It was one of the best Doctor Who episodes ever .

School Reunion is a great episode. And yes, Anthony Stewart Head was underutilized. But they got everything oh so right.

My favorite episode is probably the Girl in the Fireplace.

Least favorite: Fear Her

Episodes I considered weak: Fear Her, the Idiot Lantern (though I'd love to have seen that kid as the new companion), and Love & Monsters (though there were some really great parts in L&M).

Weird bit o' Dragon*Con gossip: the panelists at the new Who panel (and a goodly portion of the audience) really disliked the new Cybermen....apparently because they were from the wrong planet.

I think Eccleston's season was stronger (and I really wish he had lasted 3 seasons). That said, I really like Tennant. The classic Doctor he most reminds me of is Pertwee.

And I'm still waiting for him to use Venusian Aikido.

[rick]

It's sort of funny, but the Idiots Lantern was actually one of my favorite episodes of the second season.

I thought it played well as an old style, fight the weird monster Doctor Who episode that could have been as easily played by anyone from Hartnell on.

And while I do like Tennant I do have to agree that Eccleston's season was far stronger.

Still I love the new series and am counting the days until Christmas.

[Sean Whitmore]

Weird bit o' Dragon*Con gossip: the panelists at the new Who panel (and a goodly portion of the audience) really disliked the new Cybermen....apparently because they were from the wrong planet.


How so? Wasn't Mondas just a twin of Earth anyway? :)


SEAN

[ragnarok_2012]

How so? Wasn't Mondas just a twin of Earth anyway? :)


SEAN

I'm personally very rusty on the Cybermen's origin, and I didn't agree with their argument.

I love the new Cybermen. I like the look. I like the new origin. I like their use in season 2.

The episodes of the new Who often have some incredibly glaring plot holes that I personally overlook because it's just so much fun. I think it's silly to overlook stuff like the "diamond + moonlight = 19th century deathray" business and then go off on the Cybermen for having a non-canonical origin on a parallel Earth.

[Cyke]

What I *loved* about the new Cybermen is that they were given a brand new origin, without retconning the old origin at all. It gives new fans and acquaintences a look to the past, while it gives old diehard fans a reminder of the way things to be. In my opinion, it was a genius move.

As for the second series, I do admit the writing is a bit weaker, but I do feel that the Tenth Doctor is more relatable.

When the Tenth Doctor was sternly lectured by Queen Victoria, I kept thinking to myself that no other Doctor would be talked down to like that. And to me, it's a good thing, because:
1. the Tenth Doctor deserved it
2. he's irresponsible and immature enough for someone to lecture/yell him (it happens again in the Satan Pit)
3. because of the past two reasons, it makes Tennant's Doctor unique -- virtually every Doctor would've gotten into a shouting match/brief battle of wits with the Queen
4. the Queen was ultimately proven right by the end of the season

[Matt]

I agree that no other Doctor would have tolerated the lecture - the 7th and the 1st, especially. The 1st would have blustered and gone all huffy, while the 7th would have given her a lecture straight back (probably referring to how the 7th saved her life in Ghost Light).

As for the original Cybermen's origin, it went something like this:
Earth and Mondas were twin planets (with humans on both) until Mondas' orbit went nuts one day and it spun off into space. As a result, it suffered massive cataclysms which threatened to wipe out all life on it. To save themselves, the inhabitants started to change parts of themselves, implant mechanical systems, etc ... implanting more and more so they could survive in their new conditions until they finally became machines entirely (except, possibly, for the brain).

Mondas' journey meant that it eventually made it's way back to Earth - as seen in the final 1st Doctor story The Tenth Planet. The conditions on Mondas as their society died is wonderfully detailed in the 5th Doctor audio Spare Parts.

[Sean Whitmore]

I really didn't mind Tennant's cavalier attitude throughout the season. First, as has been pointed out, he was proven wrong. Second, he's coming off a string of especially grim and dour regenerations.

The Seventh was obsessed with cleaning up his old messes.
The Eighth started out fine, but he ostensibly ended up destroyed two species, including his own.
The Ninth, despite his sarcasm, was plagued with loneliness over being alone and guilt over what he'd done. His last words were even about regretting that he didn't show Rose more fun.

So between that long period of gloom and the fact that he's been killed nine times, the Tenth was probably so desperate for fun that he turned everything into a game. He overdid it, and paid the price.


SEAN

[Matt]

The Seventh was obsessed with cleaning up his old messes.

Close but not quite.
The 7th was determined to stop fooling around and to get down to business. He, before being 'born', noted how ineffectual and clownish the 6th Doctor was and made a deal with Time to fix it. In return, the 7th was Time's Champion - an obligation he tried to forget about at the start of his tenure (hence his actions starting in Time and the Rani through to the end of Dragonfire).

At the end of Dragonfire, he hypnotised Mel to go off with Glitz and Ace came on board - who the Doctor recognised as being touched by Fenric. From that point on, the 7th started taking his role as Time's Champion VERY seriously and laid plans within plans within traps within schemes; even breaking his own timeline by leaving notes in his own past for himself.

Along the way, the Doctor made a deal with Death to save a human life - in return for the human, the Doctor would die in a meaningless accident (and thus, later on, the 7th Doctor was shot and operated on in the 1996 movie).

[Sean Whitmore]

Along the way, the Doctor made a deal with Death to save a human life - in return for the human, the Doctor would die in a meaningless accident (and thus, later on, the 7th Doctor was shot and operated on in the 1996 movie).


Yeah, I should have specified. McCoy started out rather similar to the rest and became more businesslike (ruthless?) as he went on. Death even remarked on it in that story, how the Doctor didn't have fun anymore. "You don't play your spoons or mix your metaphors."


SEAN

[ragnarok_2012]

The more I hear about McCoy, the more I'd like to watch his later episodes.

[Matt]

Indeed. The early McCoy stories were, to be blunt, rubbish. Time and the Rani, Paradise Towers, etc ... were simply bad.

Then the writers and McCoy decided what the 7th Doctor should be like and they came up with, in my opinion, the best and most effective incarnation of the renegade Time Lord yet seen. The Curse of Fenric, Ghost Light, Battlefield, Remembrance of the Daleks ... all fantastic stuff.

The really good 7th Doctor stuff, however, really came through in the novels and the audio adventures.

[adamthered]

Plan on watching these again (on the DVR) even though I have them burned to DVD and will buy the box set when it comes out in January.

The adventure of the 10th Doctor and Rose really turned me into a huge fan of this show. I'd always had a passing interest but the who overarcing plot of series two just really clicked with me. Can't wait to watch them all over again.

[Deathstroke]

Which is a pity since I think some of the best 10th Doctor moments are in The Christmas Invasion - especially the end wherein he mentions he suffers no second chances and causes the start of the collapse of the British government.

That's the sort of Doctor, the one in control of almost any situation, that I like. The later, with the almost childish and irresponsible traits, portrayal really started to bug me.

I liked Tennant's job as The Doctor, but I think it takes a bit of getting used to for those of us who REALLY liked Eccleston as the Doctor. I loved his manner of dealing with the Prime Minister.

[Deathstroke]

I just had to skip over a bunch of messages because of details from later in the second season. Maybe there should be a separate Doctor Who season 2 thread for those of us that haven't seen the season yet.

[Perry Holley]

I just had to skip over a bunch of messages because of details from later in the second season. Maybe there should be a separate Doctor Who season 2 thread for those of us that haven't seen the season yet.
This would be a good idea IMO.

[drwho]

Is torchwood out and any good? I think they are really over doing it with so many spin offs in a short period of time.

[adamthered]

Is torchwood out and any good? I think they are really over doing it with so many spin offs in a short period of time.

Torchwood's supposed to be out somtime in October (unless the date's been changed).

[Cyke]

I liked Tennant's job as The Doctor, but I think it takes a bit of getting used to for those of us who REALLY liked Eccleston as the Doctor. I loved his manner of dealing with the Prime Minister.

Yeah, that's completely understandable. I didn't start liking Tennant's Doctor until Tooth and Claw myself. I mean, I thought he was okay and had potential in the previous two episodes, but I started liking him a bit more after that point.

[ragnarok_2012]

Yeah, that's completely understandable. I didn't start liking Tennant's Doctor until Tooth and Claw myself. I mean, I thought he was okay and had potential in the previous two episodes, but I started liking him a bit more after that point.

Doctor Who did start out as a child's show that taught children about different historical eras...

And I found it fascinating to learn that there were Scottish Shaolin monks in the late 19th century :D

[Sean Whitmore]

Doctor Who did start out as a child's show that taught children about different historical eras...


Yeah, because it was imperative the British youth learn about the Daleks taking over an alien planet in the far future. ;)


SEAN

[ragnarok_2012]

Yeah, because it was imperative the British youth learn about the Daleks taking over an alien planet in the far future. ;)


SEAN

Like the Cylons,

Doctor Who evolved.

[Sean Whitmore]

Like the Cylons,

Doctor Who evolved.


Yeah, but still...it was the second episode. That'd make even Darwin's head spin. :D


SEAN

[ragnarok_2012]

Yeah, but still...it was the second episode. That'd make even Darwin's head spin. :D


SEAN

Okay, you got me there.

It's my understanding that early on the producers wanted a large portion of Doctor Who episodes to be educational.

Then the episodes with monsters like the Daleks hit it big, and they concentrated on that.

My favorite Hartnell arc (from what I have seen and remember) is the Meddling Monk arc.

I'd love to see that guy return.

[Sean Whitmore]

My favorite Hartnell arc (from what I have seen and remember) is the Meddling Monk arc.

I'd love to see that guy return.


Did the Monk ever face any of the Doctors after Hartnell? Or did they decide that the Master was all the evil Time Lord they needed?


SEAN

[Sanagi]

Neither of the first two episodes was that great(New Earth in particular is a mess of plot details that don't make sense) but David Tennant is a lot of fun in the role, and I'm optimistic about the new season.

I just had to skip over a bunch of messages because of details from later in the second season. Maybe there should be a separate Doctor Who season 2 thread for those of us that haven't seen the season yet.
Yeah, I've been ignoring this thread for some time now, and only checked back to see if there was new discussion of the recently aired episodes. A no-spoilers thread would be nice.

[Deathstroke]

Yeah, I've been ignoring this thread for some time now, and only checked back to see if there was new discussion of the recently aired episodes. A no-spoilers thread would be nice.

Well there can be properly posted spoilers, but just on an episode by episode basis as they air here in the US.

[Matt]

It's my understanding that early on the producers wanted a large portion of Doctor Who episodes to be educational.

Then the episodes with monsters like the Daleks hit it big, and they concentrated on that.

That is more or less how it happened. Yet a lot of the 1st Doctor's adventures did concentrate very heavily on historical events - French revolution, The battle of 1066, Ancient egypt, Aztecs, etc.

My favorite Hartnell arc (from what I have seen and remember) is the Meddling Monk arc. I'd love to see that guy return.

'The Time Meddler' ... not a bad story for sure.
The Monk returned to battle the 1st Doctor again in The Dalek's Masterplan but was not heard from again for a long time. It was not until the novels featuring the 7th Doctor that the Monk caused more mischief.

The 7th Doctor, at the time, was leaving notes for his past self (to help him along fighting evil) and the Monk found out about it. So the Monk, being a shifty little sod, intercepted a few of the notes and changed them...

[Sanagi]

Well there can be properly posted spoilers, but just on an episode by episode basis as they air here in the US.
Yeah, that was more what I meant to say.


That is more or less how it happened. Yet a lot of the 1st Doctor's adventures did concentrate very heavily on historical events - French revolution, The battle of 1066, Ancient egypt, Aztecs, etc.
That's something I wish they'd do a little more of these days, rather than just transplanting the zombie monster of the week to whatever era they're in.

[Spike-X]

I think they are really over doing it with so many spin offs in a short period of time.

What other spinoffs have there been besides Torchwood?

[drwho]

What other spinoffs have there been besides Torchwood?

I read they have a Sarah Jane Smith series in development.

[Spike-X]

It's not a series, it's a one-off, one hour special. I just found out about it myself.

[Sean Whitmore]

It's not a series, it's a one-off, one hour special. I just found out about it myself.


Are they gonna call it K-9 and Company II?


SEAN

[Tadhg]

Are they gonna call it K-9 and Company II?


SEAN

Nah. K-9 is getting his own cartoon.

[drwho]

This article mentions it will be followed by a series.



http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=1&id=38387

[Matt]

There are three spin offs:
- Torchwood (featuring Captain Jack)
- Sarah Jane Adventures/Investigates (which K-9 will not be a regular part of)
- K-9 (animated/cgi)

[ragnarok_2012]

I think the best historical story of Season 2 is The Girl in the Fireplace.

Personally, I think of Doctor Who as a kid-friendly, light horror series that masquerades as sci-fi.

[Cyke]

I think the best historical story of Season 2 is The Girl in the Fireplace.

Personally, I think of Doctor Who as a kid-friendly, light horror series that masquerades as sci-fi.

Me being raised on Protestant-influenced American TV, I'd say the Ninth Doctor's adventures aren't really kid-friendly. Captain Jack's a good guy and I wouldn't say he's kid-friendly (though, hell, I love the guy and am eagerly waiting for his return).

Tenth Doctor's, maybe. I've been showing these episodes to my three 13-yr-old female cousins. They love it, but there've been times when they closed their eyes in sheer terror (which is great, especially since my cousins keep coming back for more). What surprised me the most is that "The Girl in the Fireplace" was among the scariest to them. Sure, the Impossible Planet and Doomsday scared them a bit, but I just thought it was neat. They also *loved* School Reunion, despite the fact that they have zero experience with the old series at all.

[king mob]

Personally, I think of Doctor Who as a kid-friendly, light horror series that masquerades as sci-fi.

Doctor Who has always been a primetime family show (with the excetion of the post Tom Baker years when it was either moved to weeknights from Saturday nights, or was just shite) and in it's current form shows that well. It's also got the advantage of being able to switch and mix genres on a regular basis, something few shows are able to do well.

Who will remain the family show, the Sarah-Jane series will be for kids and Torchwood will be for adults. There will of course be a huge crossover audience. But that should be it for spin offs, etc, three (the K9 thing is something seperate) is more than enough.


Torchwood starts October 22nd. It's plastered on buses and simply everywhere on a huge marketing campaign by the BBC. It's not quite the same level of exposure as the new Robin Hood the BBC are doing, but it's still a pretty big campaign.

[Captain Jim]

My memory is failing me. I had thought that Captain Jack was still with the Doctor at the end of season one, but I guess not. So, when did he leave?

Also, was The Christmas Invasion the first reference to Torchwood?

Put me down as another big Eccleston fan who's going to need awhile to adjust to Tennant.

[Lord of Denial]

My memory is failing me. I had thought that Captain Jack was still with the Doctor at the end of season one, but I guess not. So, when did he leave?

Also, was The Christmas Invasion the first reference to Torchwood?

Put me down as another big Eccleston fan who's going to need awhile to adjust to Tennant.


He was left by The Doctor and Rose after Rose brought him back from the dead on the station in Parting Of The Ways!

And I to really liked Eccleston but strangely I like Tennant right away.

[Sean Whitmore]

Also, was The Christmas Invasion the first reference to Torchwood?


It was Bad Wolf, actually. Torchwood was the answer to one of the questions on The Weakest Link. :)


SEAN

[Paul Newell]

Tenth Doctor's, maybe. I've been showing these episodes to my three 13-yr-old female cousins. They love it, but there've been times when they closed their eyes in sheer terror (which is great, especially since my cousins keep coming back for more).
That's all part of the Doctor Who experience, Cyke! I remember watching episodes, featuring John Pertwee, from behind the lounge back in the early 70's.

Particularly Carnival of Monsters. :)

[Mac Danny]

SO where is the Doctor from the parallel universe?

Really I was thinking.. That if Billie piper ever wants to come back as Rose for any reason, locating the Doctor of the parallel Universe would be the way. Perhaps in that universe the time lords are all still alive?

Since I am not a long time who fan, can anyone tell me if the time-lords did not just lord over space and time but also parallel universes? I know the 10th Doctor said that they monitored and controlled parallel dimension travel or something like that. Could there be other time lords in the "Papa Tyler" universe?

[kalorama]

Put me down as another big Eccleston fan who's going to need awhile to adjust to Tennant.

Same here. Eccleston's Doctor had a spark to him that I'm not seeing in Tennant.

[drwho]

I dont recall dimension hopping a typical scenario in Dr. Who. Usually the tardis malfunctions or some alien transports him to another dimension. I dont believe Time Lords have the ability to transverse dimensions regularly. The few times I can think were when he was sent to the antimatter universe and than when he somehow got into the espace dimension.

[Mac Danny]

I dont recall dimension hopping a typical scenario in Dr. Who. Usually the tardis malfunctions or some alien transports him to another dimension. I dont believe Time Lords have the ability to transverse dimensions regularly. The few times I can think were when he was sent to the antimatter universe and than when he somehow got into the espace dimension.


So there may be timelords in the Pa Tyler universe.. Maybe Eccleston's Doctor never had to regenerate... Hmmm.. perhaps a 2 docotros reunion, but also a reunion or Rose and the Doctor..

A Malfunction is just a design element that has yet to be named.

[Cyke]

I'm thinking the Time Lords at least had the ability to rescue people from parallel dimensions and/or seal the rifts with their own technology. I doubt they popped in and out as easily as they do time and space, but that they at least dabbled in it.

I love the fact that the Ninth and Tenth Doctors have been getting into troubles that the Time Lords could fix in a jiffy... if the Time Lords were still around.

[Ontir]

That is an interesting aspect of the show. I remember Colin Baker's "Dr" specifically referring to the millenia of absolute power that the Timelords had enjoyed, and seeing him now have to make do, in the absence of that power makes for a great turnabout.

[Sean Whitmore]

So there may be timelords in the Pa Tyler universe.. Maybe Eccleston's Doctor never had to regenerate... Hmmm.. perhaps a 2 docotros reunion, but also a reunion or Rose and the Doctor.


I'd love to see Eccleston and Tennant team up, but I believe Davies has said he's not interested in doing multiple Doctor stories.

Of course, he said the same thing about using Cybermen, so hope springs eternal. :)


SEAN

[Matt]

SO where is the Doctor from the parallel universe?

According to the 6th Doctor novel Spiral Scratch, there aren't any other Doctors. Well, there were but ... better not spoil it.

Alternative dimension travel was never really done in the old Who series, except for odd occurences such as that shown in Inferno. I would assume that the Time Lords didn't rule over alternative universes but instead guarded the barriers between their home universe and others, stopping things coming and going through.

The Time Lords didn't know that the Anti-Matter Universe existed for sure (as seen in The Three Doctors) though they did know that the pocket universe of E-Space was around. Other realms, such as that of the Land of Fiction were shown.

[Mac Danny]

According to the 6th Doctor novel Spiral Scratch, there aren't any other Doctors. Well, there were but ... better not spoil it.

Alternative dimension travel was never really done in the old Who series, except for odd occurences such as that shown in Inferno. I would assume that the Time Lords didn't rule over alternative universes but instead guarded the barriers between their home universe and others, stopping things coming and going through.

The Time Lords didn't know that the Anti-Matter Universe existed for sure (as seen in The Three Doctors) though they did know that the pocket universe of E-Space was around. Other realms, such as that of the Land of Fiction were shown.


Spoil it Spoil it!

Tell me a story. I am really interested.

I think the 9 and 10 Dr team up with Rose in the middle would be a great story to write. It's almost the reversal of the Sarah Jane Episode with the two compnaions fighting over the one Dr.

Go Pete Tyler Universe Dr!

[LordEd1976]

I'm curious about a few things regarding Torchwood.

1. If Torchwood was established during the time of Queen Victoria, how come the organization didn't take part in any of the Doctor's previous Earth bound adventures?

2. how is it Torchwood and UNIT exist side by side when they pretty much do the same thing?

3. Also, the Doctor's third incarnation was a part of UNIT for a long time. Why didn't Torchwood do anything about that?

[Matt]

Spoil it Spoil it! Tell me a story. I am really interested.

To be honest, it wasn't a good book. Basically, all various alternate versions of the 6th Doctor came together at some cosmic library where the head guy was doing bad stuff - they pooled their artron energy to undo an evil universe wrecking effect and the effort wiped them all out except for 'our' Doctor.

1. If Torchwood was established during the time of Queen Victoria, how come the organization didn't take part in any of the Doctor's previous Earth bound adventures?

See below.

2. how is it Torchwood and UNIT exist side by side when they pretty much do the same thing?

UNIT is a United Nations organisation, whereas Torchwood seemed exclusively British. Also, UNIT is far more military based and minded - they're out there shooting alien menaces while Torchwood seemed content to sit back doing R&D.

3. Also, the Doctor's third incarnation was a part of UNIT for a long time. Why didn't Torchwood do anything about that?

The Doctor has had a long association with UNIT, starting with the 2nd Doctor and lasting until the 7th. The 8th Doctor even met up with the Brigadier again in The Gallifrey Chronicles. However, while he was working with UNIT he used an alias and his exact role was kept more or less hush-hush. Also, if Torchwood did try to act against the Doctor during his UNIT days then they would have had to deal with Brigadier Lethbridge-Stewart and ... well, nothing I saw Torchwood have could have handled that.

In short, it's dubious Torchwood knew that the Doctor was working with UNIT and even if they did, they wouldn't have been able to do anything about it.

[LordEd1976]

UNIT is a United Nations organisation, whereas Torchwood seemed exclusively British. Also, UNIT is far more military based and minded - they're out there shooting alien menaces while Torchwood seemed content to sit back doing R&D.

It seems that by the time of "the Christmas Invasion". Torchwood has moved from just R&D to full blown defense against alien invasion. After all, it was Torchwood that fired the laser that destroyed the alien vessel.

what gets me is that from the way Queen Victoria was talking, the idea for Torchwood seemed to be not just an R&D, but also a defensive organization. Of course, one could theorize that Torchwood has been plagued by budget problems owing to the fact that I doubt Parliment would fund such an organization. In all likelyhood, Torchwood probably only recently recieved serious funds, following the Slaveen incident. which is why our first serious look at them was Christmas Invasion.

[Sean Whitmore]

It should also be noted that Torchwood didn't seem to create much of their technology from whole cloth. They reverse-engineered a lot of the alien technology they came across...technology which likely came into Earth's possession during all the time UNIT was fighting aliens.


SEAN

[Matt]

I would assume that while UNIT went in with guns blazing and defeated the menaces, they'd then send whatever artefacts they found to the national war ministry (it was seen, quite often, that the Brigadier had to answer to the war minister - though he could go over his head in an emergency) and from there those artefacts undoubtedly found their way into Torchwood's hands.

I have to say, however, that I find the concept of UNIT a far superior concept to that of Torchwood.

[rick]

I would assume that while UNIT went in with guns blazing and defeated the menaces, they'd then send whatever artefacts they found to the national war ministry (it was seen, quite often, that the Brigadier had to answer to the war minister - though he could go over his head in an emergency) and from there those artefacts undoubtedly found their way into Torchwood's hands.

I have to say, however, that I find the concept of UNIT a far superior concept to that of Torchwood.


I completely agree with you there.

I've never been a fan of secret societies and honestly with the huge history it has in the Whoniverse, I would think that UNIT would be a far more logical place to have research into alien technology.

Still, I am looking forward to the show. If nothing else it will help hold me over until Christmas.

[Cyke]

I have to say, however, that I find the concept of UNIT a far superior concept to that of Torchwood.

Well, I do have to say that I love the origin of Torchwood. A government agency created, in part, to hunt down the Doctor, and whose creation is a reminder that the Doctor's adventures do indeed have repercussions.

The idea that Torchwood is an X-Files type organization, though, could use a bit of a touch-up. But hey, Capt. Jack is getting a show and I'm a-okay with that.

[king mob]

I'm curious about a few things regarding Torchwood.

1. If Torchwood was established during the time of Queen Victoria, how come the organization didn't take part in any of the Doctor's previous Earth bound adventures?

2. how is it Torchwood and UNIT exist side by side when they pretty much do the same thing?

3. Also, the Doctor's third incarnation was a part of UNIT for a long time. Why didn't Torchwood do anything about that?


All this will be explained in Torchwood and the next series of Who.

I notice that Virgin have fuckloads of Doctor Who DVD's (old and new versions) in their sale for 8 quid each. Bargain!

[Captain Jim]

Just finished watching School Reunion on SciFi and absolutely loved it. I remember Sarah Jane from the "old days" and was thrilled to see her again. I even had a tear running down my cheek at the end.

[ragnarok_2012]

Just finished watching School Reunion on SciFi and absolutely loved it. I remember Sarah Jane from the "old days" and was thrilled to see her again. I even had a tear running down my cheek at the end.

Agreed.

Plus, it has one of the classic lines of season 2.

"I'm the tin dog."

[drwho]

Baah I'm missing out on all the assistants bickering. I really hope eventually we get to see more than one in the tardis at a time. I always enjoyed it when they were fighting with each other.

[ragnarok_2012]

Baah I'm missing out on all the assistants bickering. I really hope eventually we get to see more than one in the tardis at a time. I always enoyed it when they were fighting with each other.

Next week. :D

[Deathstroke]

Agreed.

Plus, it has one of the classic lines of season 2.

"I'm the tin dog."

That was awesome!

[Deathstroke]

Just finished watching School Reunion on SciFi and absolutely loved it. I remember Sarah Jane from the "old days" and was thrilled to see her again. I even had a tear running down my cheek at the end.

No tears here, but otherwise I felt the same about the episode as you did. Just wonderful.

[Matt]

School Reunion was definitely one of the better episodes of the season.

[ragnarok_2012]

School Reunion was definitely one of the better episodes of the season.

And just think: we have the Girl in the Fireplace to look forward to next week!

[LordEd1976]

Agreed.

Plus, it has one of the classic lines of season 2.

"I'm the tin dog."

I actually found myself enjoying more the exchange between K-9 and the Headmaster

"Bad dog!"

"Affirmative"

Here's hoping Sara Jane's appearence will pave the way for the Brigader, Capatin Yates, Benton, Nyssa, Peri, Ace, and more of the Doctor's old companions to show up.

[drwho]

I think it is safe to say that sarah jane will pop up again on Dr. Who right before her own show starts. I have a question about the final episode season 2. Does the doctor go and tell Mickey and Rose's mom what happend to Rose?

[ragnarok_2012]

I think it is safe to say that sarah jane will pop up again on Dr. Who right before her own show starts. I have a question about the final episode season 2. Does the doctor go and tell Mickey and Rose's mom what happend to Rose?

Do you really want to know?


First off, Mickey only lasts a few more episodes, then leaves for a parallel Earth where his grandmother is alive...and his counterpart, Ricky, gets killed by Cybermen. I personally love the two-parter.

Mickey does show up for the season finale. Rose survives, but is stuck on the parallel Earth with her Mom, Mickey and the alternate Earth counterpart to her dead father Pete. She doesn't die. She's legally dead now on her own Earth.

The parallel Earth is "impossible" to get to again according to the Doctor....even though he's proven wrong in the season finale (it's using a technology the Doctor is completely unfamiliar with). And since Mickey, Rose and Rose's Mom are all together on the parallel Earth the Doctor doesn't have to tell her Mom.

[ragnarok_2012]

I actually found myself enjoying more the exchange between K-9 and the Headmaster

"Bad dog!"

"Affirmative"

Here's hoping Sara Jane's appearence will pave the way for the Brigader, Capatin Yates, Benton, Nyssa, Peri, Ace, and more of the Doctor's old companions to show up.

I would love to see the Brigadier.

I just looked him up on wikipedia. Nicholas Courtney (the actor that plays the Brigadier) is 76 years old.

[drwho]

Aaah. well that is a somewhat happy ending. Is it very common for british shows to have spinoffs? Better than Rose getting stuck with a parallel world Mom and Mickey

[ragnarok_2012]

Aaah. well that is a somewhat happy ending. Is it very common for british shows to have spinoffs? Better than Rose getting stuck with a parallel world Mom and Mickey

It's certainly not unheard of.

Three's Company was based on a popular British show (Man About the House) that had a couple successful spinoffs.

That's all I can think of offhand.

[king mob]

Aaah. well that is a somewhat happy ending. Is it very common for british shows to have spinoffs?

Yup, The Day Today saw Alan Partridge spin off, Only Fools and Horses has The Green Green Grass, and so on.

[king mob]

Baah I'm missing out on all the assistants bickering. I really hope eventually we get to see more than one in the tardis at a time. I always enjoyed it when they were fighting with each other.

Davies has said he'll stick to the Doctor plus one companion format. Mainly because it's the best format, but also because he wants to avoid the show getting cluttered as it did during the start of Peter Davidson's run.

[Deathstroke]

I think it is safe to say that sarah jane will pop up again on Dr. Who right before her own show starts. I have a question about the final episode season 2. Does the doctor go and tell Mickey and Rose's mom what happend to Rose?

You couldn't post a spoiler hiding that last sentence, here in America we don't know anything happened to Rose. Or at least we didn't before that last sentence.

[Deathstroke]

Davies has said he'll stick to the Doctor plus one companion format. Mainly because it's the best format, but also because he wants to avoid the show getting cluttered as it did during the start of Peter Davidson's run.

Peter DAVISON?

[rick]

You couldn't post a spoiler hiding that last sentence, here in America we don't know anything happened to Rose. Or at least we didn't before that last sentence.


Trust me on this.

That post wasn't even slightly a spolier for what happens this season.

[king mob]

Peter DAVISON?

Him as well.

[king mob]

They've also announced this years Children In Need contribution.

Get ready for a Doctor Who celebration!

The BBC plots a spectacular concert in aid of Children In Need…

[09 Oct 2006 5:42pm]

Since last year's extra Who footage caused a sensation on the Children In Need show, plenty of people have been wondering whether something similar would happen this year.

While it's not yet known whether we'll see a snippet between The Bride (Catherine Tate) and David Tenant's Doctor, the Beeb are certainly planning a small Who-related event to benefit the appeal.

Oh, it's not much - just a gigantic, star-laden concert that will feature the BBC National Orchestra of Wales performing chunks of Murray Gold's themes set to a selection of visuals from the series at Cardiff's Millennium Centre. You might recall that the Centre features in the likes of Dalek and Boom Town, and will be invaded for the night by Daleks, Cyberman and, er, Russell T Davies with a microphone. The show's executive producer will be dragging current Who David Tenant and Murray Gold on stage with him for a Q&A session.

The concert will be recorded by BBC Radio Wales to be aired later and will also be filmed by the Doctor Who Confidential team for a special documentary likely to be timed with the arrival of the second Christmas special. "We are delighted to join forces with the BBC National Orchestra of Wales in aid of BBC Children in Need," Davies blabbed in a press release. "The evening promises to be an audio-visual spectacular. I can't wait to hear Murray Gold's extraordinary scores live on stage." And he really talks like that all the time, you know. No, honestly. He genuinely says things like "The evening promises to be an audio-visual spectacular" out loud.

It all kicks off at 6:30pm on Sunday 19 November. Tickets will cost between £10 and £20, with half price deals for those under 16. Ticket prices will include a donation to BBC Children in Need and the official programme will also have proceeds going to the BBC Children in Need Appeal. Tickets can be bought and booked directly from the Wales Millennium Centre from 20 October 2006, via their website here or by phoning 08700 40 2000.

Source: Press release

James White

http://www.sfx.co.uk/news/get_ready_for_a_doctor_who_celebration

[Deathstroke]

Trust me on this.

That post wasn't even slightly a spolier for what happens this season.


I started a separate Doctor Who Series 2 thread for US viewers anyway. Damn people who have already seen the season are starting to irritate me with all their knowledgeable talk.

[rick]

I started a separate Doctor Who Series 2 thread for US viewers anyway. Damn people who have already seen the season are starting to irritate me with all their knowledgeable talk.

It's just damm obnoxious of us, ain't it? :D

[Spike-X]

You couldn't post a spoiler hiding that last sentence, here in America we don't know anything happened to Rose. Or at least we didn't before that last sentence.
The *spoiler* in the THREAD TITLE wasn't enough?

[drwho]

I am in the US, but I also read interviews and it has been pretty much announced everywhere that the actress that is Rose was leaving this season. So something was bound to happen in order for her to leave the show.:evilsmile

[adamthered]

Knowing what you know won't take away your enjoyment of series two/28. I knew before watching and it definitely proved to be one of those "it's the journey, not the destination" type things. Though the "desitination" is pretty kick ass too :D

[Ontir]

I'd love to see Eccleston and Tennant team up, but I believe Davies has said he's not interested in doing multiple Doctor stories.

My assumption from the beginning of this show, was that team-ups between Doctors, that is Eccleston and any previous Doctor, would be impossible, because of what the Dr. had done to end the war with the Daleks, which I took as something that happened, involving all the Timelords, across all time and regenerations, leaving not only the Dr. as the last Timelord, but that specific Dr., in all of time and space. As if he were now sort of a Paradox, in that all the things he did in previous incarnations still happened; but that they all exited those adventures at some point, and entered the final fray, from which he alone emerged. Having said that, now that there are two versions of him, co-existing, Tennant and Eccleston could team-up.

[Captain Jim]

Agreed.

Plus, it has one of the classic lines of season 2.

"I'm the tin dog."

Yeah, I ment to mention that too. I laughed like crazy when I heard that.

[Captain Jim]

Do you really want to know?


First off, Mickey only lasts a few more episodes, then leaves for a parallel Earth where his grandmother is alive...and his counterpart, Ricky, gets killed by Cybermen. I personally love the two-parter.

Mickey does show up for the season finale. Rose survives, but is stuck on the parallel Earth with her Mom, Mickey and the alternate Earth counterpart to her dead father Pete. She doesn't die. She's legally dead now on her own Earth.

The parallel Earth is "impossible" to get to again according to the Doctor....even though he's proven wrong in the season finale (it's using a technology the Doctor is completely unfamiliar with). And since Mickey, Rose and Rose's Mom are all together on the parallel Earth the Doctor doesn't have to tell her Mom.


Does that mean that season three is going to start with a clean slate as far as supporting cast is concerned?

[Captain Jim]

You couldn't post a spoiler hiding that last sentence, here in America we don't know anything happened to Rose. Or at least we didn't before that last sentence.

Come on, DS, that vague comment is something akin to "Something happens to Sue Dibney in Identity Crisis #1."

Besides, I suspect that most US posters (like myself) had already heard something about this. When you're frequenting an international forum, and watching episodes several months after much of the rest of the world, how can you expect not to run across such stuff?

[Ontir]

That comment wasn't all that vague!

Anyway there's a runaway bride whom the Doctor finds in the TARDIS, which leads into the Christmas episode which starts off season 3, then he gets a new companion, the black woman who was an employee of Torchwood in the season finale, though playing an entirely different character.

Stroke, somehow it just seems wrong to be upset by people with fore-knoweldge, when talking about a Timelord! :p

[ragnarok_2012]

Does that mean that season three is going to start with a clean slate as far as supporting cast is concerned?


Excepting an appearance by Captain Jack, pretty much.

Catherine Tate is playing a character in the Christmas special. In the series proper, the Doctor is getting a new companion.

The actress that plays the new companion plays a bit part in the two-part season 2 finale, but it's a different character then the one she'll play in season 3.

There are promotional photos out showing the new companion, by the way. She's cute.

Oh, and David Tennant's Doctor gets a new suit in season 3. No pinstripes.

John Barrowman, Captain Jack, will show up in season 3. But I believe it's at the end of the season. Barrowman on his website, in talking about it, kept repeating (I'm paraphrasing) "Remember. I don't know what he looks like now."

Personally, I think it'd be fun if he sees Tennant with the TARDIS and just assumes that this guy has stolen it from the Doctor.

[Deathstroke]

I am in the US, but I also read interviews and it has been pretty much announced everywhere that the actress that is Rose was leaving this season. So something was bound to happen in order for her to leave the show.:evilsmile

Yes, but for all we in the US who haven't read the spoilers we don't know what happened. It could something bad that got Rose written out or simply she decided to stay at home now. The other post makes it obvious things don't end well.

[Deathstroke]

The *spoiler* in the THREAD TITLE wasn't enough?

Thank you for the snark.

I'll be avoiding this thread from now on.

[Deathstroke]

Come on, DS, that vague comment is something akin to "Something happens to Sue Dibney in Identity Crisis #1."

Besides, I suspect that most US posters (like myself) had already heard something about this. When you're frequenting an international forum, and watching episodes several months after much of the rest of the world, how can you expect not to run across such stuff?

No worries, I'm staying out of the thread.

[Deathstroke]

And since I was accused of simply starting the other thread for the sake of starting the thread, instead actually wanting to discuss the second season with people who didn't already know anything, that thread has been locked.

I'm done.

[Lord of Denial]

And since I was accused of simply starting the other thread for the sake of starting the thread, instead actually wanting to discuss the second season with people who didn't already know anything, that thread has been locked.

I'm done.


Thanks for the attempt Deathstroke.

I for one would have liked it to stay open seeing as how us Americans have not seen series 2 and all. But I guess another thread for us was to much to ask.

[ragnarok_2012]

I'm more than happy to post spoilers under spoiler tags.

I do take exception to getting griped at for posting spoilers in a spoilers thread. So long as people ask nicely, I'm fine with spoiler tags.

[king mob]

Tate is a real love/hate figure over here. She's a passable comedian but fucking hugely overexposed using material which is done better bt others. However Davies likes his celeb cameos, sometimes they work (Maureen Lipman), sometimes they don't (Peter Kay). As long as we don't have Ken Dodd then things are great.

The new companion will have a supporting cast, how they'll pan out remains to be seen. Oh yes, Mark Gatiss (Unquiet Dead, Idiots Lantern) will be cameoing on the next series.

And there might be a 'classic' monster in this new series but it might not be what you expect....

[boondoggle]

I don't see why we can't have a Doctor Who season 2 thread. There was a separate season 1 thread (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=114911) going on when it was airing on SciFi. Seems a lot simpler than coming to this spoiler thread and then having to tip-toe around said spoilers.

[Conn Seanery]

Folks, if you want to start up a US schedule Dr. Who thread, you're welcome to. All i'm asking is that whoever starts it follows the same thread starting guidelines expected of every one else who posts on TV/Film. Put some effort into it, don't just grunt out a line or two just to get the ball rolling for the sake of it.

[Popgun]

They've also announced this years Children In Need contribution.



http://www.sfx.co.uk/news/get_ready_for_a_doctor_who_celebration

I think I might pop along to that.

[king mob]

Theres also the cinema previews of Torchwood this Wednesday that i'm trying to blag a ticket for. Hopefully my BBC contacts can reserve a ticket for the Children In Need concert.

[king mob]

There's a Catherine Tate interview in today's Observer which should give some background to those who are unaware of her.

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/review/story/0,,1922507,00.html

[ChrisIII]

BTW for those who want to know more about Sarah Jane here's a little more info:




Sarah Jane meets the Doctor

Sarah Jane first met the Doctor in his Third incarnation when she was an undercover reporter in "The Time Warrior". She found herself unexpectedly transported to medieval times, and initially suspected the Doctor was behind the mischeif. However, she grew to trust him and joined him in the fight against the Sontaran Linx and his adversaries.
Eventually upon the return to present-day Earth, she started to hang around with UNIT and the Doctor. With the third Doctor she fought Dinosaurs, Daleks, and Ice Warriors. On an adventure on Metebellis Three, the Doctor was forced to regenerate and became the fourth Doctor.


The Third Doctor regenerates


With the Fourth Doctor, Sarah Jane's trips in the TARDIS became far more frequent (She also travelled for a time with UNIT doctor Harry Sullivan). She encountered Sontarans and Daleks again, and met enemies such as the Wirrn, Cybermen, Sutekh, Krynoids, and the Zygons.


Sarah Jane and the Fourth Doctor





Eventually, after being posessed by the being Eldrad (In the Hand Of Fear) Sarah Jane had a minor tantrum and packed her bags-but she didn't mean it. However, the Doctor received a summons from Gallifrey, and Sarah couldn't come along...so he had to leave her behind. Unfortunately, he left her in the wrong place.



However, the Doctor didn't forget Sarah Jane. He built her a new K-9 unit, based on the Doctor's previous two models which served as companions. The K-9 helped her solve a mystery involving a cult.

A few years later, Sarah Jane, despite K-9's warning, was sucked into a time scoop and deposited into the Death zone on Gallifrey, where she teamed up with the Third Doctor once again. She also met the Master for the first time during this adventure and once again confronted the Cybermen. She also met the Doctor's other incarnations, but was somewhat confused and didn't really have a proper reunion with the Fifth Doctor. She later was returned to her own time.


In the years that followed, K-9 fell into disrepair and Sarah Jane continued her investigations. A few WHO books and audios continue her adventures, however their canonicity remains in dispute (Especially her adventures with the Seventh Doctor in the DWM comic strips and Bullet time).

It's been thirty years since the Doctor dropped her off, and she's about to have a unique "School reunion"...



Of course, Wiki has more than I do:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Jane_Smith

[Matt]

In the events of Bullet Time, Sarah Jane was shot and killed (the end sequence where the Doctor says goodbye is very well written) - yet this happened in the same sequence of novels which a few of the Doctor's past companions were supposedly killed in various ways.

A later novel revealed that these deaths were the work of creatures that lived within the Time Vortex and were working against the Doctor as a part of one of their schemes. By the end of that adventure, the various deaths were retroactively erased (to put it simply, it got somewhat complicated) and therefore the companions were just fine.

The memory loss, in regards to Sarah Jane not knowing the Doctor's later incarnations, can easily be explained by either the 7th Doctor using his remarkable hypnotism abilities or the companions recollection of the events being wiped due to the massive disruptions to their own time lines.

[king mob]

It's worth searching out K9 & Company, not because it's any good, it's not. It's total rubbish. It does however have one of the worst theme tunes you'll ever hear.

Feel free to laugh at Ian Levine here. (http://www.bbc.co.uk/cult/classic/titles/K9andco.shtml)

[ChrisIII]

Some episode details about Torchwood-spoilers highlight to read...




EPISODE 1: 'Everything Changes' by Russell T Davies
When Torchwood arrives on the scene of a brutal murder, WPC Gwen Cooper's burning curiosity is challenged. Their attitude, their approach and their technology is at odds with everything she believes in. But investigating the investigators leads her into a dark, paranoid world she never imagined existed.

EPISODE 2: 'Day One' by Chris Chibnall
An alien addicted to sex is let loose on Cardiff's nightlife. Torchwood must track down the creature's new host and in doing so, confront a violent new form of love in the 21st century.

EPISODE 3: 'Ghost Machine' by Helen Raynor
Torchwood discovers a machine that allows them to view the ghosts that walk among us. Using it, prompts Owen to investigate an unsolved crime - one that could change all their futures. (ChrisIII:Return of the Gelth?)

EPISODE 4: 'The Trouble With Lisa' by Chris Chibnall
There's a dark secret in the basement of the Hub. Even Jack is unaware of it, but Ianto knows. And he'll go to any lengths, sacrifice anything and anyone, to protect what's down there. (ChrisIII: Looks like this might be the Cyberwoman one).

EPISODE 5: 'Small Worlds' by Peter J. Hammond
Jasmine is a withdrawn but intelligent child whose new 'friends' exploit her suppressed anger, and while investigating this, Jack encounters elemental enemies from his past that are determined to harm those closest to him.

EPISODE 6: 'Countrycide' by Chris Chibnall
Upon entering an apparently deserted village in the Brecon Becons, the Torchwood team is separated. Finding his people are the prey in a savage game of cat and mouse Jack faces a team of ruthless hunters far more skilled in surviving outside the confines of the city than he.

EPISODE 7: 'Greeks Bearing Gifts' by Toby Whithouse
Tosh gains the ability to read the minds of those closest to her but as she becomes party to their darkest secrets, she realises not only is this is a powerful curse, but one impossible to break.

EPISODE 8: 'They Keep Killing' by Paul Tomalin & Dan McCulloch
Using alien technology to interrogate the victims of a serial killer, Gwen learns that the common link is dangerously close to home. And the resurrection device has a deadly secret of its own. (Or maybe this is the Cybermen one.)

EPISODE 9: 'Invisible Eugene' by Jacquetta May
A hit-and-run victim, Eugene, was a bit of a nobody, and always convinced that aliens were coming to Earth, specifically to retrieve technology in his possession. Now Gwen finds herself drawn into his world and realises Eugene may still be helping her locate the 'aliens' - despite him being dead.

EPISODE 10: 'Combat' by Noel Clarke
The team discovers a ring who are kidnapping Weevils - wild alien creatures that have come through the Rift and are hiding on Earth - which leads Owen down a dark path to confront the future of his own existence.

EPISODE 11: 'Out of Time' by Cath Tregenna
A small passenger plane from the 1950's flies through the rift and lands in Cardiff 2006. Torchwood is drawn into strong personal relationships as they help the three temporal immigrants adapt to contemporary life.

EPISODE 12: 'Captain Jack Harkness' by Cath Tregenna
Transported back to the Blitz, Jack and Tosh find themselves facing a dark secret from Jack's past, one he hoped and believed had been buried for good. (Probably a sequel of sorts to Jack's debut story).

EPISODE 13: 'Apocalypse' by Chris Chibnall
The Rift is violently fracturing further, and Jack realises that Torchwood is destined to be drawn into one vast battle that will leave nothing and no one at Torchwood unchanged...

[Ontir]

Looks pretty cool!

[ChrisIII]

^Just bumping this....


Any thoughts on the USA airing of the Cybermen two-parter? Also two classic series DVDs came out yesterday in the USA, Hand Of Fear and Mark Of The Rani. HOF has Sarah Jane's exit from the series, for those curious about where "School Reunion" got it's stuff....and Mark Of The Rani-the best offering by the otherwise poor writing team of Pip and Jane Baker-has the Doctor take on not one but two evil time lords-the Master and the Rani. Plus it's got some nice historical scenery in it.

[king mob]

Mark Of The Rani is rubbish. Hand Of Fear is meh. I have a nifty copy of The Invasion and the animated episodes look bloody brilliant.

[ChrisIII]

Apparentally the Invasion is scheduled for a March release in the USA along with The Sontaran experiment. I would probably expect the Master trilogy (Keeper Of Traaken, Logopolis, Castrovalva) box set in June.

That and of course the series 2 set in Jan.

I expect we'll see a lot of classic series 2-parters (Minus Colin's 2-parters, which are as long as 4-parters) cranked out pretty quickly-stuff like Black Orchid, Awakening etc....

[Ontir]

It's been a long while since I've seen Mark of the Rani; but I always liked her, and it seems she's among the few Timelords who would be able to escape the destruction of everything.

Logopolis just blew my mind when I saw it. The mathematics of existence and all that stuff. It leapt to mind, many years later when reading Greg Bear's Moving Mars, and his talk about the Bell Continuum.

[king mob]

Apparentally the Invasion is scheduled for a March release in the USA along with The Sontaran experiment. I would probably expect the Master trilogy (Keeper Of Traaken, Logopolis, Castrovalva) box set in June.

That and of course the series 2 set in Jan.

I expect we'll see a lot of classic series 2-parters (Minus Colin's 2-parters, which are as long as 4-parters) cranked out pretty quickly-stuff like Black Orchid, Awakening etc....


The BBC are upping the amount of releases as of next year thanks to the success of the new series. About half will be cheap discs with minimal extras like The Sontaran Experiment (a great story and stripped of much of the padding which plagued Who), the rest will be full-on efforts that we've been used to.
The Invasion is great. A good story done on naff all budget and a nice performance by Troughton. The animations are great and work very, very well and it's a experiment worth repeating.

[Ravenheart]

I just finished off watching the complete Doctor Who 2006 and it was a great season.Some of my favorite episodes were School Reunion,Rise of the Cybermen/The Army of Steel,The Impossible Planet/The Satan Pit,Army of Ghosts/Doomsday.I got choked up at the ending of Doomsday much like I did at the end of last season's finale,The Parting of the Ways.

I've been thinking of checking out some of the older series.I wouldn't mind seeing The Two Doctors and I'm sure I'll be checking out some of the Baker stuff.

[ragnarok_2012]

I just finished off watching the complete Doctor Who 2006 and it was a great season.Some of my favorite episodes were School Reunion,Rise of the Cybermen/The Army of Steel,The Impossible Planet/The Satan Pit,Army of Ghosts/Doomsday.I got choked up at the ending of Doomsday much like I did at the end of last season's finale,The Parting of the Ways.

I've been thinking of checking out some of the older series.I wouldn't mind seeing The Two Doctors and I'm sure I'll be checking out some of the Baker stuff.

Talons of Weng Chiang is a popular Tom Baker-era story.

The Meddling Monk storyline is my favorite William Hartnell story.

I would love to see Sci-Fi pick up all the episodes of the old show.

[Sean Whitmore]

I've been thinking of checking out some of the older series.I wouldn't mind seeing The Two Doctors and I'm sure I'll be checking out some of the Baker stuff.

If you like Patrick Troughton in "Two Doctors", you should check out his own "Tomb of the Cybermen." One of my favorites from when the show was still black and white.


SEAN

[Kirayoshi]

Thought you'd like to know that BBC America will begin airing Christopher Eccleston's run on Doctor Who on November 21, for those Americans who either missed out on the Sci-Fi channel, or don't have Sci-Fi, or simply want to catch it again!

[ChrisIII]

Here's some recommendations, Ravenheart, of some stuff currently available on DVD....


WILLIAM HARTNELL

The Beginning-Where it all began. Sure, it's in black and white and it drags a bit, but it's still interesting if you want to see the beginnings of the Doctor, the Daleks and the companions. (Although don't expect a full-blown origin for the Doctor-the character is intended to be mysterious, after all).

The Aztecs-Fun, thoughtful story which has the Doctor and co. travelling to ancient Central America. An example of the historical genre of Doctor Who, episodes with no sci-fi content apart from the Doctor and co.



PATRICK TROUGHTON

Tomb Of The Cybermen-Has Troughton take on the Cybermen as well as some nutty scientists. Dated, but still great fun.

The Mind Robber-A fun story which has the Doctor and his companions trapped in a bizzare dimension packed with literary characters. Think of THE TWILIGHT ZONE meets SHREK.


JON PERTWEE

Spearhead From Space-Jon's debut story and the first appearence of the Nestenes/Autons, seen later in ROSE. Probably their most effective appearence as well.

Inferno-A dark, atmospheric story which is Doctor Who's answer to Star Trek's MIRROR, MIRROR.(Except about three times longer!)

The Green Death-Great Pertwee story with all the right ingredients of the era, plus a really sad ending.

TOM BAKER

Genesis Of The Daleks-Perhaps the best of the early Tom adventures, as he goes back to the Dalek's beginnings and meets their creator (Who would become a recurring villain) and debates whether to eliminate them at their beginning.

Pyramid Of Mars-Eerie story has the Doctor try to prevent a nihillist alien who inspired the Egyptian gods from escaping his earthbound prison.

Robots Of Death-On a mining vessel run mostly by robots the Doctor tries to solve a murder mystery.

Talons Of Weng-Chiang-The Doctor travels to the late 19th century for a Sherlock Holmes style adventure as he tries to solve mysterious dissiapearences linked to a theather.

City Of Death-Featuring a lot of guest-stars (Julian Glover, Catherine Schell, John Cleese) as the Doctor tries to prevent an alien from stealing the Mona Lisa to finance a dangerous time travel experiment. Shot on location in Paris.

PETER DAVISON

Earthshock-The Doctor once again battles the Cybermen and this time the cost might be too high.


The Five Doctors-This anniversary special has three of the Doctor actors unite (William hartnell died so Richard Hurdnall takes his place; Tom Baker only appears in archival footage) as they are summoned to a strange arena on Gallifrey (The Doctor's home planet) and battle Daleks, Cybermen, and the Master.

Caves Of Androzani-Peter Davison's final adventure has him get involved in a dangerous drug war while trying to find an antidote to a poison that has affected both him and his companion.


COLIN BAKER

Vengeance On Varos-The Doctor finds himself on a world run by deadly reality TV.

Revelation Of The Daleks-The Doctor once again confronts the Daleks in a funeral parlor. A bit weird, but tightly directed and lots of fun.


SYLVESTOR MCCOY

Rememberance Of The Daleks-The Doctor faces off against two factions of Daleks after a time lord artifact.

Ghost Light-the Doctor finds himself in a strange house where the laws of evolution have run amok.

Curse OF Fenric-In a military base in the 40's The Doctor plays a deadly game with an ancient force of evil.

[Kirayoshi]

City Of Death-Featuring a lot of guest-stars (Julian Glover, Catherine Schell, John Cleese) as the Doctor tries to prevent an alien from stealing the Mona Lisa to finance a dangerous time travel experiment. Shot on location in Paris.Trivia note; this ep was written by Douglas Adams(under an alias), and he recycled elements of the story in his novel "Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency".

For Tom Baker, I would also recommend the Key of Time arc. A season-long sprawling epic in which the Doctor and his new companion Romana are recruited by the all-powerful White Guardian to hunt down six fragmented segments of the Key of Time, a device needed to restore universal balance. While the first story was kind of spotty, the whole arc was generally entertaining(my favorite was The Pirate Planet, also written by Douglas Adams), and the final epic, The Armageddon Factor, was a white-knuckle ride from start to finish! Giving the Doctor a specific task for the season really opened the door for some cool adventures.

[ChrisIII]

^Actually that's CITY OF DEATH. ROBOTS OF DEATH was written by Chris Boucher, who would later write for Blake's 7 and write a few WHO novels.

[Kirayoshi]

^Actually that's CITY OF DEATH. ROBOTS OF DEATH was written by Chris Boucher, who would later write for Blake's 7 and write a few WHO novels.Oops! I copied the wrong text for the quote. Thanks for keeping me honest. I corrected the post, so all's good.

[ChrisIII]

Regarding THE TWO DOCTORS, it features a somewhat controversial Doctor who was the 'current' Doctor at the time-Colin Baker. He's somewhat obnoxious and wears a gaudy-colored coat-although personally I feel he's underrated, especially since his Doctor has been redeemed somewhat through the audio dramas he's done (The audio dramas are audio-only plays that are released featuring 'retired' Doctors in new adventures-with the exception, unfortunately, of Tom Baker, Eccleston and the deceased Doctors). Also if you know anything about the continuity of the second Doctor's adventures, TD can give you a headache since it contradicts that history.

Two Doctors is also one of the few WHOs filmed outside Britain, since it was shot in Spain. However it's strictly average WHO, even though it's written by arguably the classic series's best writer, the late Robert Holmes.

[ChrisIII]

Any thoughts on Idiot's lantern and the impossible planet?

[drwho]

I like how they are starting to do the multiarc stories where one leads directly into the other like in the old days.

[Spike-X]

Any thoughts on Idiot's lantern and the impossible planet?
I thought Idiot's Lantern was pretty ordinary.

The Impossible Planet I liked a lot. I'm thankful they avoided the cliche of, "All this trouble only started when you two showed up, therefore you must be the cause of it!" That's been done to death.

[rick]

I thought Idiot's Lantern was pretty ordinary.




Really?

I actually thought that the Idiot’s Lantern was one of the better episodes of the season.

They didn’t just catch the feel of 1950’s Britain, but they also did a fantastic job of catching that mid 1960’s Who vibe. Honestly, Troughton or Pertwee could have walked onto the screen at any moment and not been at all out of place. Plus we get to see just how pissed off the Doctor can get when you hurt his companion.

And I also have to say that I really, really, loved the Wire.

She was just a good, old fashioned nasty piece of work, invading the Earth for no other reason then to eat our brains.

She was my kind of monster.

Anyway, I would definitely put it in my top three for the whole season.

[ragnarok_2012]

Really?

I actually thought that the Idiot’s Lantern was one of the better episodes of the season.

They didn’t just catch the feel of 1950’s Britain, but they also did a fantastic job of catching that mid 1960’s Who vibe. Honestly, Troughton or Pertwee could have walked onto the screen at any moment and not been at all out of place. Plus we get to see just how pissed off the Doctor can get when you hurt his companion.

And I also have to say that I really, really, loved the Wire.

She was just a good, old fashioned nasty piece of work, invading the Earth for no other reason then to eat our brains.

She was my kind of monster.

Anyway, I would definitely put it in my top three for the whole season.

I thought the teenage boy would have made a fantastic companion.

[rick]

I thought the teenage boy would have made a fantastic companion.


I thought so to.

The kid was great, and keep it mind, he is who actually saves the day.

[Kirayoshi]

Really?

I actually thought that the Idiot’s Lantern was one of the better episodes of the season.

They didn’t just catch the feel of 1950’s Britain, but they also did a fantastic job of catching that mid 1960’s Who vibe. Honestly, Troughton or Pertwee could have walked onto the screen at any moment and not been at all out of place. Plus we get to see just how pissed off the Doctor can get when you hurt his companion.

And I also have to say that I really, really, loved the Wire.

She was just a good, old fashioned nasty piece of work, invading the Earth for no other reason then to eat our brains.

She was my kind of monster.

Anyway, I would definitely put it in my top three for the whole season.Another thing I liked about the ep was the subplot involving the overbearing father who, after having fought fascism in WWII, ended up becoming a fascist by informing on his mother-in-law when she became one of the Wire's faceless victims. I thought it drew a nice parallel to the narrow-minded attitudes of many, in England and here in the states, regarding people who were "different"; minorities, liberals, beatniks, whatever. One of this season's most satisfying moments was toward the end of the ep, when his wife handed him a suitcase and told him, "This was never your house. The lease is with my mother. And on her behalf, I'm telling you, get out!"

That said, it was also a nice touch when Rose encouraged the boy to talk to his father. She knows what it's like to lose a father, so it made sense for her to hope that he wouldn't lose his, no matter how big a jerk he turned out to be.

[king mob]

Oooo, season 2 is out on DVD tomorrow.

http://www.sendit.com/video/item/7001000128157

And it's payday on Friday, woooooo.

[Captain Jim]

But not until January in the US. :(

[Perry Holley]

Tonight BBCAmerica is runnign the first episode of the 9th Doctor ("Rose") at 10 pm EST, and again at 1 am, so if anyone missed the Christopher Eccleston episodes, this is your chance to watch them.

Actually, I'm going to tape them anyways, as BBCAmerica isn't anywhere nearly as commercial-happy as Sci-Fi Channel, so there's a fair chance that these will be aired as they were originally in Britain, as opposed to Sci-Fi cutting some 10-odd minutes out of each episode.

[Captain Jim]

Are you serious? SciFi routinely edits these episodes?

[Perry Holley]

Are you serious? SciFi routinely edits these episodes?I was under the impression that the original British broadcasts ran about 50-55 minutes, and the Sci-Fi airing was edited for time purposes. However, the BBCAmerica airing was pretty much identical to the Sci-Fi airing, so I may well have been working under a false assumption.

[Spike-X]

I just checked the first couple of episodes in the second series, recorded from the original BBC broadcast. They run about 44 minues.

[king mob]

The original showings run approx. 45 minutes. The show was tailored to be sold to a foreign audience so it could make our money back. The fact Sci-Fi cut episodes when it's not really needed is a bit shite of Sci-Fi.

[king mob]

I bought the series two DVD box set yesterday (along with Peep Show series three, it was a good days shopping) and i thought i'd give it a quick once over before nipping to the pub. Sadly i never made it to the pub after watching everything up to Girl In The Fireplace.

Like most of RTD's stuff you don't realise what he's actually doing til it's all done. Even episodes that i though were crap (New Earth being one so far) make sense in the bigger plot for the series. If only such effort and planning went into Torchwood but hey ho, we can't have everything.

The packaging is big improvement on the first series box set, it won't fall apart after five minutes for a start, plus there's a funky lentincular Dalek and Cyberman on the back.

[ChrisIII]

Anybody see the Runaway Bride clip that was shown at some convention? It's pretty nifty-the TARDIS gets involved in a chase scene involving the robot santas (The "Pilot fish") from the last special.

[king mob]

I've watched 12 episodes in three days, three days! I'm saving the final two parter for later but watching virtually the entire season has changed my opinion on it. The whole thing is much, much stronger when seen as a whole, episodes such as New Earth and Love & Monsters shine when seen as part of a bigger picture. Even the (still) poor Rise of the Cybermen makes sense and somehow works when you realise the Daleks are coming and RTD had to establish the Cybermen as an enemy nearly, but not quite, up to the level of the Daleks.

The whole series is really great and the Torchwood build up is handled better than i remembered. It really does get the juices flowing for Christmas Day and series three. I only hope we don't get an overkill of Daleks in series three and they just stay in the two parter they're scheduled for.

[drwho]

Read an interview saying Captain Jack was coming back for a few episodes.The funny thing is the actor stated Dr. Who was a kids show. MY question is does the UK consider topics of people having multi gender sexual interests really a kid topic there?

[adamthered]

Will the Christmas episode actually air on Christmas Day? I've been having problems with my Magic Remote Controlled Radio Crystal and may need this time to make sure it's finely tuned :D

[ChrisIII]

Who is sort of a family show, not exactly solely aimed at the younger set.

Pixar films are sort of the same way.


WHO has crossed the line in the past and has attracted controversy for it-mainly for the Monsters in the Pertwee era (In particular the Autons, who you saw in ROSE) the violence of the early Tom Baker era and also the late Davison and early Colin Baker era. Interestingly, the show has periods that have been a reaction to this crticism as well-the later Tom Baker era focused on humor rather than dangerous adventures, while Trial Of A Time Lord and the McCoy era also scaled back the violence considerably (Although it had pretty much returned in McCoy's final season, with the Vampiric Haemavores Of Curse Of Fenric and the flesh-eating cats of Survival)



Regarding next season (SPOILERS AHEAD!!!!!!Highlight)


There will be a new race called the Judoon, who look like Sontarans except more Rhinoceros-like, a Shakesphere episode, and apparentally a two-parter involving Dalek Sec and co. in New York city. Plus possibly an appearence by the Wavils.

[king mob]

Read an interview saying Captain Jack was coming back for a few episodes.The funny thing is the actor stated Dr. Who was a kids show. MY question is does the UK consider topics of people having multi gender sexual interests really a kid topic there?

As Chris says, Who has always been a family show, normally shown at primetime on Saturday nights to a mass audience. Who has always had a camp or gay element to it. This ranges from characters speaking Polari (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polari) during the Jon Pertwee run to the openly bisexual nature of Captain Jack.

As RTD said in an interview on tv, there's few, if any, gay or bisexual role models for kids or teenagers in popular culture, having Jack in Who and having him as the main action hero sets that example. Yes it's preaching a message but if we can't effect a change of attitudes through populist shows like Who then where can we do it?

[king mob]

Will the Christmas episode actually air on Christmas Day? I've been having problems with my Magic Remote Controlled Radio Crystal and may need this time to make sure it's finely tuned :D

Yep, 7ish on Christmas Day once we've eaten our turkey and Christmas pud and have cracked open the 3rd bottle of sherry.

[Tadhg]

I just got my DVD set. The Cyberman head is neat, though it's a bit cheaper than I thought it'd be.

[Cyke]

As RTD said in an interview on tv, there's few, if any, gay or bisexual role models for kids or teenagers in popular culture, having Jack in Who and having him as the main action hero sets that example. Yes it's preaching a message but if we can't effect a change of attitudes through populist shows like Who then where can we do it?

I never thought of it that way, but wow, RTD has a great point. And Capt. Jack is such a great character to begin with.

[rick]

I have been really enjoying the reruns of the Christopher Eccleston episodes on BBC America.

Is it just me or are their broadcast prints of a higer resolution then the SCI-Fi editions?

Somehow they just look better.


By the way, saw my first ever commercial tonight for Patrick Stewarts new series The 11th Hour, which I guess ran last year in Great Britain but somehow I never heard a word about it.

Another great looking show.

Now I just need to see the new Cracker.

[king mob]

By the way, saw my first ever commercial tonight for Patrick Stewarts new series The 11th Hour, which I guess ran last year in Great Britain but somehow I never heard a word about it.

Another great looking show.

It's ok, it's trying to be a Doomwatch (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doomwatch) for the 21st century but doesn't quite work. Stewart carries the show as you'd expect, however Ashley Jensen really can't act.



Now I just need to see the new Cracker.

I was hugely disapointed with it. The last Prime Suspect is great though.

[Spike-X]

Read an interview saying Captain Jack was coming back for a few episodes.The funny thing is the actor stated Dr. Who was a kids show. MY question is does the UK consider topics of people having multi gender sexual interests really a kid topic there?
I guess the UK are a bit less cranio-rectal about that topic than the US.

[ChrisIII]

From what I've read, the only episode that attracted a bit of controversy was "Dalek" for the scene where Van Stratten is scanning the Doctor.Got me.

[Cyke]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RS6wirBwRxs

Sneak peak of The Runaway Bride.

Enjoy the car chase! I know I did :)

[king mob]

That was just Mediawatch trying to cause a fuss on the back of the Jerry Springer Opera fiasco. It didn't really work at all.

[ChrisIII]

It looks like they're going for a very cinematic feel with Doctor Who lately.


Who's the director for Runaway Bride? If it's Graeme Harper it's no suprise, his stories have always been the most movie-like out of WHO.

[adamthered]

Yep, 7ish on Christmas Day once we've eaten our turkey and Christmas pud and have cracked open the 3rd bottle of sherry.

Excellent. So 7 your time is 1 PM my time which means by the time 7 PM my time rolls around this signal should be picked up no problem.

God, I can't wait for my Doctor Who. Been watching the reruns on Sci-Fi and getting Torchwood but it's definitely been a very long summer/fall so far. Still going to (Spoiler) miss Rose

[adamthered]

I bought the series two DVD box set yesterday (along with Peep Show series three, it was a good days shopping) and i thought i'd give it a quick once over before nipping to the pub. Sadly i never made it to the pub after watching everything up to Girl In The Fireplace.

Like most of RTD's stuff you don't realise what he's actually doing til it's all done. Even episodes that i though were crap (New Earth being one so far) make sense in the bigger plot for the series. If only such effort and planning went into Torchwood but hey ho, we can't have everything.

The packaging is big improvement on the first series box set, it won't fall apart after five minutes for a start, plus there's a funky lentincular Dalek and Cyberman on the back.

That's exactly what I loved about series two, is how there was this major theme running throughout all 13 episodes. Sometimes it was very subtle, other times right in your face but it all leadup to it exploding in said face in the last two episodes. I thought it was brilliant and completely solidified my being a fan of Doctor Who.

[Web of Fear]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RS6wirBwRxs

Sneak peak of The Runaway Bride.

Enjoy the car chase! I know I did :)

That was pretty cool :)

[Cyke]

The original showings run approx. 45 minutes. The show was tailored to be sold to a foreign audience so it could make our money back. The fact Sci-Fi cut episodes when it's not really needed is a bit shite of Sci-Fi.

Ugh. I'm watching the Satan Pit right now on the Sci-Fi channel, and they noticeably cut out the part where Jefferson dies of asphyxiation. It was such a good scene for his character, too.

[king mob]

Why on earth do they cut episodes? They're very tightly plotted and cutting even a minute long scene would change the entire feel of a story.

[LordEd1976]

That was pretty cool :)

wow. I'd hate to be a traffic reporter having to explain that.

[Cyke]

Why on earth do they cut episodes? They're very tightly plotted and cutting even a minute long scene would change the entire feel of a story.

My only reasoning is to let in just a few more advertising spots on so that the channel can get paid more. Suddenly, with a show of high regard as Doctor Who, it turns into story quality Vs. advertising dollars.

It's a shame, too. American shows are so used to portraying military types as violent lunkheads who shoot first and ask questions later, but Jefferson was a sympathetic, likeable, and pretty intelligent character.

[Spike-X]

It's a shame, too. American shows are so used to portraying military types as violent lunkheads who shoot first and ask questions later, but Jefferson was a sympathetic, likeable, and pretty intelligent character.

He was, and it was a refreshing change.

I'm also glad they avoided the cliche of, "This trouble only started when you two showed up, therefore you must be the cause of it!"

[ChrisIII]

Some sad news today...Doctor who novelist Craig Hinton has died.




http://www.gallifreyone.com/news.php#newsitemEEyVEZEEFlqQwBOokl

[king mob]

My only reasoning is to let in just a few more advertising spots on so that the channel can get paid more. Suddenly, with a show of high regard as Doctor Who, it turns into story quality Vs. advertising dollars.



Channel 4 did the same with Lost when they screened it over here. We have strict rules as to how many ad-breaks per hour can be shown on commercial tv, C4 broke those rules and got a serious bollocking. They never cut Lost though, not even to make the bloody thing any good.

[ChrisIII]

http://www.gallifreyone.com/images/news/SarahJane2.jpg


First pic from the new Sarah Jane show.

Apparentally Moneypenny from the Pierce Brosnan Bond films is in it too.

[drwho]

Is that the current dress style in the uk, or are they supposed to be trapped in the 80s?

[Spike-X]

'Trapped in the 80s' is the current dress style, I believe.

[king mob]

Is that the current dress style in the uk, or are they supposed to be trapped in the 80s?

Well they look like any number of people so yes.

[king mob]

And as for Elizabeth Sladen-I would.

[Paul McEnery]

If only such effort and planning went into Torchwood but hey ho, we can't have everything.

Ah, but it is starting to fall into place.

*coded spoilery bits*

Russell "whistling in the graveyard" Davies has another show that's all about death and grief.

Ninth Doctor: grief, and how to get over it.
Tenth Doctor: fear of loss, and how to get over it.
Torchwood: Sex and Death; aka The Dead Come Back.

Risen Mitten (DCB), Day One (Alien SaD), Game Controller that shows you past and future (DCB, with a bit of sex = death), Cyberwoman (DCB + SaD), Greaks (Lesbian Alien Sex = Death!), More Risen Mitten (DCB).

Then coming up, we've got a ghost, and two blast from the past stories. All DCB.

And now the underlying theme of There's Something Nasty in the Woodshed, which appears to be NDE related.

That leaves one upcoming and two screened episodes to take care of:
Countrycide is just death. But is it? Where are the kids? And we're looking at a twisted death-orientated tradition.
And the Fairies episode has Blast from the Past, but also a thwarted puberty = immortality riff (straight out of J.M. Barrie, if you think about it).

And all along, we've got a crew who can't have normal lives, and the issue of Gwen's "someday I'll have kids with my boyfriend" being displaced), and the Jack Can't Die dealie.

So, sex = death, freakish immortality (Greeks, Cyberwoman, risen mitten, Jack, fairies), and thwarted generativity (check out mister shotgun).

Oh, and alien = death. That's a big given of the show, what with the defence of earth through alien weapons bit.

So there's a big Freudian issue of a false preservation of the self by refusing to engage with the other and give rise to the next generation, which leads to the previous generation returning and returning and returning. Return of the repressed!

*/coded spoilery bits*

There's your thematic continuity.

[mattx110]

couldn't find a boston legal thread but we just had our first boston legal, doctor who crossover. some lady was suing cybus industries (sadly, their cell phone did not turn her into a cyberwoman, but got her husband killed by lightning)

[Sean Whitmore]

couldn't find a boston legal thread but we just had our first boston legal, doctor who crossover. some lady was suing cybus industries (sadly, their cell phone did not turn her into a cyberwoman, but got her husband killed by lightning)

Denny Crane could get the Cybermen off.

Rose too, but business before pleasure.


SEAN

[mattx110]

Denny Crane could get the Cybermen off.

Rose too, but business before pleasure.


SEAN

nevermind, you just post faster than ghandi.

[king mob]

All of RTD's stuff has been about death, loss and grief in some way. Normally it's well done, Torchwood is the exception so far though i expect the Sarah Jane show to be less the Tracy Beaker clone it looks like and instead will be about the kids coping with the loss of their parents/brothers/sisters/teeth.

[king mob]

There's just been a very brief clip of the new Sarah Jane series on breakfast telly. Nothing too spectacular unfortunately.

[Web of Fear]

wow. I'd hate to be a traffic reporter having to explain that.

"On the M25 today there are long tailbacks caused by a flying police box chasing a taxi......"

[ChrisIII]

A clip from Sarah Jane adventures is on the official site...mainly Samantha Bond chewing scenery...looks good, though.

[rick]

A clip from Sarah Jane adventures is on the official site...mainly Samantha Bond chewing scenery...looks good, though.


Do you have a link for it?

I can't find the darn clip.

[Web of Fear]

Do you have a link for it?

I can't find the darn clip.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/

You need to click on the "9" and that should bring up the clip. Not sure if this will work outside the UK, but it's probably on YouTube by now anyway ...:)

[rick]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/

You need to click on the "9" and that should bring up the clip. Not sure if this will work outside the UK, but it's probably on YouTube by now anyway ...:)



It works.

Thank you very much.

[Web of Fear]

It works.

Thank you very much.

You're welcome. :)

[Captain Jim]

So, has season three started in the UK yet?

[Tadhg]

So, has season three started in the UK yet?

Not yet. It'll start in spring 2007. There will be a Christmas episode on Christmas though.

[Kirayoshi]

Is that Dave Allen in your avatar, Tadhg? I haven't seen that show in a coon's age! Very droll humor, IIRC. And I distinctly recall a Dr. Who-related gag, in which a priest is attacked by a baptismal font shouting, "EXTERMINATE!" before he ducks into a pulpit which vanishes to the TARDIS sound effect. Pretty odd, IIRC.

[king mob]

It is Dave Allen in Tadhg's avatar and the reason you probably haven't seen his show in a while is that he died a few years back. His shows are rarely repeated (outside of a run last Christmas) on the main BBC channels.

[ChrisIII]

A teaser trailer for the Runaway Bride has shown up on the official site; also SURVIVAL has been confirmed as the new DVD. SURVIVAL is of course, the final serial of the classic series, and features the Master and evil cats. In some ways it's first episode is very similar to this Friday's US episode, FEAR HER. Lot of Ainley Masters being released lately...

[king mob]

There is the spiffy New Beginnings (http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/news/cult/news/drwho/2006/11/27/36478.shtml) box set coming out next month and the past two years has seen the classic releases back up the new series.
Whether it's anymore than coincidence is debatable, but if you believe the rumours then RTD is leaving after the 4th series and he'll bebringing back The Master before he goes. Most of these rumours come from Ian Levine so take it with a pinch of salt.

[Paul McEnery]

he'll bebringing back The Master before he goes.

Well I should think so!

[Captain Jim]

Since both the daleks and cybermen have been back, I was wondering how long it would take to see the Master again. Where is he, continuity wise, dead or alive? I know he was in the movie that came between the classic series and the new one, but I don't remember the outcome. And has he been back in the intervening novels?

[Matt]

The current state of The Master depends on what you count as continuity/canon.

In the 8th Doctor novel 'The Gallifrey Chronicles', he's still trapped within the TARDIS' eye of Harmony for example.

In the 8th Doctor novels that cover the War in Heaven (which no longer took place due to the Doctor destroying Gallifrey), the Master became President of one of the cloned Gallifreys and was one of the most successful campaigners against The Enemy.

In the animated short 'The Scream of the Shalka', his consciousness inhabits an android body the Doctor built. (This probably isn't counted by anyone).

[rick]

The current state of The Master depends on what you count as continuity/canon.

In the 8th Doctor novel 'The Gallifrey Chronicles', he's still trapped within the TARDIS' eye of Harmony for example.

In the 8th Doctor novels that cover the War in Heaven (which no longer took place due to the Doctor destroying Gallifrey), the Master became President of one of the cloned Gallifreys and was one of the most successful campaigners against The Enemy.

In the animated short 'The Scream of the Shalka', his consciousness inhabits an android body the Doctor built. (This probably isn't counted by anyone).

I would truly love to see the return of the Master, but I have to say that finding someone to play a modern version would be a fairly difficult bit of casting.

Not impossible mind you, just hard.

Also, I'm not sure that I would want to change the Doctors status of last time lord, even for the Master.

[Web of Fear]

I would truly love to see the return of the Master, but I have to say that finding someone to play a modern version would be a fairly difficult bit of casting.

Not impossible mind you, just hard.

Also, I'm not sure that I would want to change the Doctors status of last time lord, even for the Master.

Simon Pegg was a fairly "Master-ish" character in The Long Game and I think he'd do a grand job in the role. I'm sure that some excuse could be concocted to bring him back in this role (if the Beeb was to take up my suggestion, which is highly unlikely :D )

[Sean Whitmore]

Also, I'm not sure that I would want to change the Doctors status of last time lord, even for the Master.

Hell, the Master's been in so many different bodies by now, he's almost a Time Lord in name only.

Hmm...TLINO?


SEAN

[Bored at 3:00AM]

I was a lapsed fan of the old Doctor Who and a friend of mine who is an absolute fanatic of show lent me his DVDs of the first two seasons of the new show.

Well, I'm hooked.

David Tennent, in particular, has filled the shoes of The Doctor really well. His manic energy and child-like enthusiasm is so infectious. Yet he also balances it out with The Doctor's strong sense of morality, wisdom and loneliness.

While I was sad to see Rose, Mikey and her mum go, I think it was probably for the best. I don't think they could have taken that relationship much further before it got a little bit too repetitive.

Looking forward to the next season with whoever that bride was. I take it she's the next companion? I'll also be checking out Torchwood to see if it tickles my fancy as well, but I'm not sure if it'll quite work for me as well as Doctor Who does. The variety of settings and eras and scenarios this show offers the viewers is staggering. I'm not sure if an Earth-based show will work for me as well.

[Matt]

No, the bride is not the next companion.

As for Torchwood ... so far I don't think it's very good at all.

[adamthered]

No, the bride is not the next companion.

As for Torchwood ... so far I don't think it's very good at all.

Let's just put it this way about Torchwood. I have the last five episodes still sitting, waiting to be watched, and I'm in no rush to get to them. Not that it's bad, per se, it just doesn't match up to the first or second series of the new Doctor Who, which had me wanting to watch the next episode right away.

[king mob]

The big Christmas Doctor Who push is well underway. Every shop is full of Daleks, Tardis' and Cybermen, the trailers are barely off the Beeb and Billie Piper is being interviewed left, right and centre. Yup, it's a Doctor Who Christmas again.

[drwho]

Fear her has to be the worst episode of the season.

[Spike-X]

Fear her has to be the worst episode of the season.
Yeah.

It was an interesting premise, but it just kind of fizzled out at the end there.

[Matt]

The end of 'Fear Her' made me physically cringe. It really did.

[Spike-X]

The bit with the Olympic Torch?

Bloody hell. What were they thinking?

[drwho]

Fear her would have gone a lot better if they used the twilight zone route where she was either a demon kid or a pod person cus I thought the concept of drawing people trapping them was pretty cool. Just thought the whole evil father subplot in the closet, singing dumb songs, and the flying lonely jelly fish was lame. Also the love of the heat of a torch. WTF

One thing I did like was they kind of tied it to the Olympics and in the past i always thought it was neat how they tied the story into other events. I'd like to see more of that. One of my fave episodes was with jon pertwee where he battles the devil alien and at the end they are all doing the ribbon dance thing. Kind of exposes you to new cultures.

Have they at all hinted what type of personality the new companion will have? I always love it when there is someone the doctor butts heads with.

[LordEd1976]

I didn't hate "Fear Her" but then again I didn't enjoy it as much as any of the other episodes in the season.

I did like the bit with the torch at the end.

And is it just me or was the Doctor's line about having been a father a reference to Susan?

[drwho]

Other than the 5 doctors special was susan ever mentioned again?

[Matt]

In the novels, yes.

[Spike-X]

is it just me or was the Doctor's line about having been a father a reference to Susan?

That's how I took it as. But Lordy, you should have seen the shitfight over on Outpost Gallifrey about that line!

[Sean Whitmore]

That's how I took it as. But Lordy, you should have seen the shitfight over on Outpost Gallifrey about that line!

Was it from the "Time Lords are asexual" crowd?


SEAN

[Spike-X]

Was it from the "Time Lords are asexual" crowd?


SEAN
I believe so, yeah.

"Just because he said that, and he was portrayed as being a grandfather at the start, doesn't mean anything! He might have adopted! The Doctor doesn't do sex! Especially when I haven't got to do it yet!"

[king mob]

The bit with the Olympic Torch?

Bloody hell. What were they thinking?


It's all part of the BBC's pushing the 2012 Olympics into the public eye on behalf of the government. The idea is that high profile shows like Doctor Who will show us how great it's going to be rather than the sucking money pit it's becoming.

[king mob]

I believe so, yeah.

"Just because he said that, and he was portrayed as being a grandfather at the start, doesn't mean anything! He might have adopted! The Doctor doesn't do sex! Especially when I haven't got to do it yet!"

I remember that post well. The fact that so many actually agreed with it ('The Doctor can't have sex, he's my father figure!!!!!') and caused an almighty fuss (including several who complained to the BBC) speaks more about the mindset of some fans than the merits of an average at best episode of Doctor Who.

[drwho]

I'm hoping the next companion is a mix of Tegan, Adric, and Romana 1. Doctor has had it too easy wth Rose and has been spoiled.

[ChrisIII]

^The Doctor's family is mentioned a few times in season 1 of the new series, and also sporadically in the old series post-Susan. Notable mentions include the Doctor's speech to Victoria in TOMB OF THE CYBERMEN, the mention in THE TIME MONSTER, and the Doctor's mention that he doesn't know about his family in CURSE OF FENRIC.

There were plans to unveil more about the Doctor's family had the original series continued, but most of those ideas ended up in the novels, specifically in "Lungbarrow".


Susan is also mentioned here and there in the audios (Although she only stars in one of the alt-universe ones).

[Tobias March]

All these references to him being the last of the Timelords. Would the Daleks have tracked down his granddaughter and killed her? Or is her life preserved by the 'timeline', as so the Doctor won't interfere with the course of her life (so she basically grew old and died).

[Sandoz]

I think there's a good chance that Susan is still alive, since she was left in a time and place that was presumably unaffected by the Time War. I'd like it if Susan were re-introduced into the series (if only for a single episode, like Sarah Jane) despite the controversy it would probably cause.

[drwho]

Was it ever revealed that she was his biological daughter, or any info of the mother given? The way I see it now since they seem to be focusing on the doctors loner aspect it would make more sense to me if he had actually adopted her.