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Stressfactor

05-29-2009, 08:38 AM

Will be sad when Tennant leaves , the new guy guy Matt smith doesn't exlude the same vibe and charm from what i seen of his interviews.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWtL8hjbhOkWell, that's kind of the point.

In over 45 years years we've been given:

1) A cantankerous old coot with a grandfatherly heart.

2) A cosmic hobo with a sense of humor and a tendency for manipulating people.

3) A master of sartorial style, with a sarcastic wit and an abundance of arrogance.

4) A mad bohemian whose thought processes often seemed to spin in circles but who had more on the ball then he let on.

5) A gentle soul who regretted the place the violence always seemed to hold in his life.

6) A loud (in voice and clothing), arrogant swaggerer who was completely convinced of his own superiority.

7) The master of manipulation whose short stature and easy smile often caused his enemies to underestimate him.

8) The romantic, the Byronic poet, the one who just wanted to make everything and everyone "better".

9) An angry, damaged, hurting soul who was, perhaps, far closer to actual madness than any of his previous incarnations.

10) The motormouth who sometimes seemed consumed by his own stream of consciousness but still carried some nasty scars.

11) ??????????

And THAT is where the fun is. "Doctor Who" is like a box of chocolates -- you never know what you're going to get.....

Although we could do without a repeat of the 6th Doctor's shouty arrogance.

Deathstroke

05-29-2009, 06:21 PM

Did you guys see the actress they've cast as the new Companion?

HOLY GAWD!

She's gorgeous.

21 year old Scots actress Karen Gillan.

Ontir

05-29-2009, 06:32 PM

I was OK with Eccleston leaving, his story had finished in a very real way, but Tennat... His "Doctor" is one I could watch for another 7 or 8 years, very easily. I wish he'd stuck around for @ least Moffatt's 1st season. He's become my favourite, even eclipsing Patrick Troughton, so it's not going to be an easy road, but I'm eager to meet Smith's "Doctor," none the less.

Stroke:

Where's the link?

Captain Jim

05-29-2009, 07:24 PM

I'd hoped that was the whole point of the lame "human Doctor" ending last season. Rose has her Doctor to be happy ever after, let people fanwank over that while the rest of us move on. Is there anything more to do with Rose at this point?

I think it would be cool to see Tennant and Piper return in a guest-star role in a couple of years to reprise the above roles.

Spike-X

05-29-2009, 09:34 PM

Did you guys see the actress they've cast as the new Companion?

Yes, we did. (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=9005580&postcount=7496)

@ least

Please don't do that. At. It's a word, not a symbol. Only one extra keystroke, it can't be that hard (or th@ hard, if you like).

Stroke:

Where's the link?

Has anybody actually been reading all the posts? (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=9005580&postcount=7496)

SUPERECWFAN1

05-29-2009, 09:40 PM

Did you guys see the actress they've cast as the new Companion?

HOLY GAWD!

She's gorgeous.

21 year old Scots actress Karen Gillan.

Yeah . I'd love if they wrote in she was some decendant of Jamie. And has his stubborn , always diving into trouble demeaner.

king mob

05-30-2009, 05:45 AM

I think it would be cool to see Tennant and Piper return in a guest-star role in a couple of years to reprise the above roles.

If you read back a few posts you'll read that a film featuring Tennant and Piper looks to be more than a rumour.

Stressfactor

05-30-2009, 05:55 AM

If you read back a few posts you'll read that a film featuring Tennant and Piper looks to be more than a rumour.Actually, Captain Jim is saying he would like Piper to reprise Rose and Tennant to reprise Dupli-Doc (A.K.A Clone Doctor, Doctor 10.5, Metacrisis Doctor, etc.)

fireSTRIKE!

05-30-2009, 07:10 AM

Did you guys see the actress they've cast as the new Companion?

HOLY GAWD!

She's gorgeous.

21 year old Scots actress Karen Gillan.

well, she looks cute and attractive, but I really don't find her THAT drop dead gorgeous...

but I'd still ask her out and buy her a drink... :cool:

Ryan K

05-30-2009, 09:38 AM

Joe no Sleep

05-30-2009, 10:39 AM

Will be sad when Tennant leaves , the new guy guy Matt smith doesn't exlude the same vibe and charm from what i seen of his interviews.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWtL8hjbhOk

Reminds me of Gordon Ramsey a bit. Needs a haircut. :biggrin:

Besides, Number 11 is also Moffat's idea of what the doctor would be like, a kind of Sherlock Holmes type who fights monsters that look like Scooby doo villains (spooky space kook/Vashta Nerada).

king mob

05-30-2009, 01:15 PM

Actually, Captain Jim is saying he would like Piper to reprise Rose and Tennant to reprise Dupli-Doc (A.K.A Clone Doctor, Doctor 10.5, Metacrisis Doctor, etc.)

It's one of the ways RTD has apparently said he may use to get past Matt Smith being the current sitting Doctor & pass it off as the 'real' thing.

Cyke

05-30-2009, 02:16 PM

Reminds me of Gordon Ramsey a bit. Needs a haircut. :biggrin:

Besides, Number 11 is also Moffat's idea of what the doctor would be like, a kind of Sherlock Holmes type who fights monsters that look like Scooby doo villains (spooky space kook/Vashta Nerada).

Slightly off topic, but I love your sig :)

blackphoenix

05-31-2009, 04:03 PM

Stressfactor

06-01-2009, 08:11 AM

WOW. The new Companion, Karen Gillan, is a right looker! Another red headed hottie(after Donna Noble, natch)! I honestly don't see how the Doctor hasn't shagged at least one of his Companions by now...most of them have been dead sexy. I was watching the first apps of Teagan and Nyssa last week...they were dead sexy! I mean I know it's a kid's show and all, but come on! After 900 years, he's only wanted to have a go at Rose?? Seriously??Technically, 900 years old, seen one side of the galaxy to the other, intelligence level greater than probably the vast majority of races in the universe, plus being an alien (no matter how human looking).... a 20-something year-old human would probably seem like an infant to someone like that.

And for the record -- the Doctor snoggged Grace long before he ever snogged Rose.

Joe no Sleep

06-01-2009, 09:00 AM

Slightly off topic, but I love your sig :)

Thanks. There are others, but that one's the funniest.

Joe no Sleep

06-01-2009, 09:05 AM

I'm sure this has been asked before (Hell I may have even asked and forgot to check back for an answer).

Are any of the Tenth Doctor novels any good? I've always liked the look of those paperback-isized hardcovers they're releasing now. I have a plane ride coming up and I'm going through some Who-withdrawal. Any reccomendations on books or authors would be appreciated.

I enjoyed the Quick Reads more. They're paperback, but they use the rogues gallery and don't suffer from padding. Plus, you get Terrence Dicks writing David Tennant stories! There are four so far:

I am a Dalek - Gareth Roberts
Made of Steel - Terrence Dicks
Revenge of the Judoon - Terrence Dicks
The Sontaran Games - Jaqueline Raynor

I don't have that last one, but the first three are very good.

Sean Walsh

06-01-2009, 09:08 AM

Redhead...

Scottish...

*head explodes*

Indeed. Very much indeed. :biggrin:

Ontir

06-01-2009, 09:45 AM

WOW. The new Companion, Karen Gillan, is a right looker! Another red headed hottie(after Donna Noble, natch)! I honestly don't see how the Doctor hasn't shagged at least one of his Companions by now...most of them have been dead sexy. I was watching the first apps of Teagan and Nyssa last week...they were dead sexy! I mean I know it's a kid's show and all, but come on! After 900 years, he's only wanted to have a go at Rose?? Seriously??

The strong implication of the Davies years, is that the Doctor had a very complete relationship with Sarah Jane and then later Rose.

If the Doctor lived in one continuous life, he might be far more detached, but by regenerating, he becomes new, and can appreciate his companions the same way. I think it is this that separates him from the other Time Lords. Their regenerations were experienced on Gallifrey They didn't leave, or if they did, they didn't "go native" as the Doctor did.

Stressfactor

06-01-2009, 09:54 AM

I dunno. I rather preferred the take from the SJA ep "Secrets of the Stars". When the (supposedly) fake psychic is 'reading' Sarah Jane he says:

"Some years ago you traveled far and wide.. ah, the things you have seen. And there was a man -- a very special man -- No, no, let me think... it wasn't a romance... no, no, it was something much, much more than that."

king mob

06-01-2009, 01:00 PM

I enjoyed the Quick Reads more. They're paperback, but they use the rogues gallery and don't suffer from padding. Plus, you get Terrence Dicks writing David Tennant stories! There are four so far:

The fact that Dicks is still churning out Who books is amazing considering how long he's been in the business. God, I used to read the old Target books by Dicks when I was a kid.

king mob

06-01-2009, 01:02 PM

The strong implication of the Davies years, is that the Doctor had a very complete relationship with Sarah Jane and then later Rose.

As Stress says, not really. Now the Third Doctor and Jo Grant is another thing completely.

ChrisIII

06-01-2009, 01:41 PM

There's a lot of fanon that the Doctor had a relationship with Romana. This is mostly due to the fact that Tom Baker was briefly married to Lalla Ward, who played Romana's second incarnation.

The classic series and the new series have of course mentioned the Doctor's family, and then of course there's Susan. The "New Adventures" novels of course introduced the concept that time lords are asexual and reproduce through genetic engineering (and don't really need to reproduce that much because of their long lifespans/regenerations), but this idea seems to have been thrown out in the new series.

Spike-X

06-01-2009, 04:22 PM

The "New Adventures" novels of course introduced the concept that time lords are asexual

Talk about pandering to the fan base!

Ontir

06-01-2009, 11:09 PM

As Stress says, not really. Now the Third Doctor and Jo Grant is another thing completely.

In the Davies years? There most certainly is!

Stressfactor

06-02-2009, 07:43 AM

In the Davies years? There most certainly is!Actually, no if you take "Journey's End". The Doctor tells Rose that Dupli-Doc there can giver her what he can't -- that he can grow old with her.

That, alone, proves that it wasn't a "complete relationship" not to mention the fact that the Doctor can't even tell her he loves her.

That's NOT a "complete relationship" -- that's dancing around the edges of a relationship.

On the other hand, the implications are the Dupli-Doc IS able to give Rose that complete relationship -- a comitment to Rose and the words that go with it.

Take a look at River Song even. She is supposed to be the Doctor's wife and yet they are not together and her implications are that they have not been together for some time which implies that, again, the Doctor is simply incapable of holding together a traditional relationship of living with someone and being with them through thick and thin.

Davies's Doctor is a perpetual adolescent playing at relationships.

king mob

06-02-2009, 02:08 PM

Davies's Doctor is a perpetual adolescent playing at relationships.

There is a theory that Tennant and Eccleston's Doctor represent different aspects of gay culture, so you have the older man looking for a steady relationship, while the younger man flits from one relationship to another.

It's an interesting idea, if a bit contrived but it does tie in with some of Davies's past work.

Captain Jim

06-02-2009, 06:10 PM

From Rich Johnston's new blog, http://www.bleedingcool.com/

Since Patrick Troughton replaced William Hartnell in the lead role in the ever-popular British sci-fi TV showDoctor Who, back in 1966, the titles of the show have displayed the Doctor’s face. Generally disembodied, staring at the camera, dissolving into swirly graphics or exploding into stars, occasionally animating into a grin or a wink.

However, after the first cancellation of the show in 1987, things changed. The doomed Fox pilot ten years later didn’t show Paul McGann’s face in the credits, and when Russell T Davies brought the series back starring Christopher Eccleston, he didn’t bring back that particular aspect of the show either. And when Eccleston was replaced by David Tennant, all that changed in the titles was the credit.

From next year, Steven Moffat is in charge of ths show. And, I understand, that this particular nostalgic aspect is returning. We’ll see the floppy haired Quitely-alike features of Matt Smith grinning at us as, probably, the time vortex swirls behind him.

Is this a big deal? For some, possibly. Maybe it indicates some other aspects of the original series that may be returning?

Ryan K

06-02-2009, 06:49 PM

fireSTRIKE!

06-02-2009, 07:26 PM

Matt

06-02-2009, 07:29 PM

That's been photo shopped, no question about it.

Stressfactor

06-02-2009, 07:38 PM

can anyone explain this photo?... is this possibly a promo shot or a deleted scene from Christopher Eccleston's first episode as the Doctor?...

is this what it looks like?... the 9th Doctor wearing the 8th Doctor's outfit?... or is this possibly a photomanip?... or is this something else entirely?... :confused:

http://www.tachyon-tv.co.uk/images/chrise.jpgThe fact that it comes from Tachyon TV is a dead give away -- the boys of Tachyon TV/Behind the Sofa are all about taking the piss out of "Doctor Who"....... Although to be fair a lot of the time they ARE funny. Check out some of their podcasts. The one they recorded live a few years back at one of the British Doctor Who conventions is hilarious. They put together a print version of their online fanzine and in it took an easy target -- that is Colin Baker -- but Baker, was THERE as it turned out and got a copy of the fanzine and proceeded to take the piss out of THEM in fine fashion at one of the panels. It's hysterical listening to them decribe it.

ChrisIII

06-03-2009, 12:25 PM

The long-running and controversial www.gallifreyone.com is closing, apparentally.

Ontir

06-03-2009, 12:36 PM

Actually, no if you take "Journey's End". The Doctor tells Rose that Dupli-Doc there can give her what he can't -- that he can grow old with her.

That, alone, proves that it wasn't a "complete relationship" not to mention the fact that the Doctor can't even tell her he loves her.

Since when do you have to tell someone you love them, to have sex with them? Yes, he can grow old, which means that they will have a relationship as Rose can and should experience it. Had she stayed with him, it would not have been the case. There are still implications that he had relations with both Sarah Jane and Rose, hence the jealousy between the two when they first encounter each other.

Take a look at River Song even. She is supposed to be the Doctor's wife and yet they are not together and her implications are that they have not been together for some time which implies that, again, the Doctor is simply incapable of holding together a traditional relationship of living with someone and being with them through thick and thin.

Again, nothing you've mentioned implies that the Doctor hadn't had sex with her, either.

Davies's Doctor is a perpetual adolescent playing at relationships.

Maybe it's been too long for you, but a large number of adolescents have sex.

king mob

06-03-2009, 01:10 PM

The long-running and controversial www.gallifreyone.com is closing, apparentally.

I'm a tad torn about this. Yes, it's going to be nice to avoid the shitslinging, slagging offs & general wankery that Who fandom seems to encourage, & recently also saw the close of the Restoration Team forums.

However, it was a good resource & in it's older days, quite fun at times. The question is, where do the OG lot go now?

Joe no Sleep

06-03-2009, 01:54 PM

The fact that Dicks is still churning out Who books is amazing considering how long he's been in the business. God, I used to read the old Target books by Dicks when I was a kid.

I read Dick's novelization of The Armaggedon Factor that came with Doctor Who magazine last year. Only by reading that did I understand how that story was one of the doctor's finest hours (saving two planets from destruction and outwiting three villains, finding the complete key to time and using its powers while almost finished) but I didn't get that from watching it.
I went on ebay and found Terrence's novel of Meglos - when will that be on dvd?

Stressfactor

06-03-2009, 02:05 PM

Since when do you have to tell someone you love them, to have sex with them? Yes, he can grow old, which means that they will have a relationship as Rose can and should experience it. Had she stayed with him, it would not have been the case. There are still implications that he had relations with both Sarah Jane and Rose, hence the jealousy between the two when they first encounter each other.

Again, nothing you've mentioned implies that the Doctor hadn't had sex with her, either.

Maybe it's been too long for you, but a large number of adolescents have sex.On second thought... [Sylvester Stallone in "Demolition Man" voice] Skip it. [/Sylvester Stallone in "Demolition Man" voice]

king mob

06-03-2009, 02:16 PM

I went on ebay and found Terrence's novel of Meglos - when will that be on dvd?

If rumour is to be believed, 2010. The next release is the terrible Delta and the Bannermen, but after that is the 3-disc release of The War Games in July which I can't wait for.

thehod

06-03-2009, 02:20 PM

The question is, where do the OG lot go now?

Back to nursery for a fair number of them from my experiance.

Stressfactor

06-03-2009, 02:25 PM

If rumour is to be believed, 2010. The next release is the terrible Delta and the Bannermen, but after that is the 3-disc release of The War Games in July which I can't wait for.I've never seen most of the 6th and 7th Doctor stories.

Is "Delta and the Bannermen" really THAT bad? I mean, I found "Timelash" deeply flawed but not completely without merit and "Paradise Towers" had some interesting ideas if not terribly well executed.

ChrisIII

06-03-2009, 02:54 PM

McCoy was once my favorite Doctor but even I couldn't stomach "Delta".

The only real good thing about it is Don Henderson, who Americans will best remember as one of the Imperial bad guys from Star Wars.

Matt

06-03-2009, 03:04 PM

Yeah, it's a pretty bad story.

With McCoy the general rule is; his first season was rubbish. The second was some of the best Who ever made.

Captain Jim

06-03-2009, 08:21 PM

So Planet of the Dead is coming to Region 1 DVD by itself on July 28th (http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/news/Doctor-Planet-of-the-Dead/12008). Have they forgotten about The Next Doctor or did I miss something. I assumed they would wait until all 5 specials were out and release them together in one set for Region 1, but with this announcement I assume we should have heard something about The Next Doctor.

Same day as Torchwood: Children of Earth by the way. (http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/news/Doctor-Planet-of-the-Dead/12008)

I was expecting all five to be boxed together as well... and maybe they will be. Individual release does not rule out a later collection. I think I'll wait. (On the other hand, I'll probably pick up Children of the Earth.)

The long-running and controversial www.gallifreyone.com is closing, apparentally.

This seems odd. If the owner doesn't want it anymore, why doesn't he just sell it? Does this mean the Doctor Who News Page is closing as well?

Captain Jim

06-03-2009, 08:25 PM

From Rich Johnston's new Bleeding Cool (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2009/06/02/comedian-to-kill-the-doctor/) website.

Lawry Lewin, British stand up comedian, will appear the last David Tennant episodes of Doctor Who, airing on Christmas Day 2009 and in the New Year.

Lewin is a character comedian, and I particularly remember him as a parody paranormal investigator from radio station XFM, taking calls from people who weren’t always in on the joke…

Could he be the one to shoot the Doctor/throw him over a cliff/drop a piano on his head? He may be the one qualified to bring the Doctor back from the dead.

LordEd1976

06-04-2009, 10:14 AM

Yeah, it's a pretty bad story.

With McCoy the general rule is; his first season was rubbish. The second was some of the best Who ever made.

I tend to avoid any 7th Doctor story that has Mel and focus on the ones with Ace.

blackphoenix

06-07-2009, 04:16 PM

Stressfactor

06-07-2009, 07:19 PM

Will Doctor Who:The Movie (the Eigth Doctor's only tv appearance)ever come out on DVD? Are rights issues with Fox keeping it from coming out? And is there any chance that The Chase(First Doctor/Daleks story) will be on DVD soon?
The TV movie was released in England but never in America, yes, due to rights problems that, as far as I know, have STILL not been resolved (facepalm). Personally, I suspect that there isn't much impetus TO resolve the rights problems since the movie was considered a flop and "Doctor Who" is still thought of as a niche market here in America so they wouldn't expect to get high sales from the release.

HOWEVER, considering the increasing availiblity of region free DVD players that may change as, with region free, one can buy a British copy of the DVD and play it.

As for "The Chase" -- haven't heard anything about it being on the schedule yet but King Mob is better at that ear-to-the-ground, picking up rumors about future releases stuff.

Aside from likely needing more clean-up work than the newer stuff there isn't much reason to delay it too far. It would be different if it were one of the stories that is missing episodes, like "The Tenth Planet" or "The Reign of Terror".

Matt

06-07-2009, 07:54 PM

I tend to avoid any 7th Doctor story that has Mel and focus on the ones with Ace.

Yes, that is also an excellent rule of thumb.

Though Paradise Towers wasn't terribly bad and had one or two good concepts in it.

king mob

06-08-2009, 02:01 PM

As for "The Chase" -- haven't heard anything about it being on the schedule yet but King Mob is better at that ear-to-the-ground, picking up rumors about future releases stuff.

There's no sign of The Chase on 2Entertain's release schedule for 2009, & we've had one Hartnell release (The Rescue/The Romans) with The Keys of Marinus coming up in September. The only Dalek story coming out this year is the Pertwee box set of Frontier in Space/Planet of the Daleks.

2010's releases are rumoured to include Planet of the Spiders, The Terror of the Zygons & one of the last Troughton's.

Aside from likely needing more clean-up work than the newer stuff there isn't much reason to delay it too far. It would be different if it were one of the stories that is missing episodes, like "The Tenth Planet" or "The Reign of Terror".

There could well be issues with the clip of The Beatles.

Stressfactor

06-08-2009, 02:35 PM

There could well be issues with the clip of The Beatles.Oh, I had forgotten about that clip. Still, wasn't it taken from one of the BBC TV programs of the day -- like the British version of "American Bandstand" or something?

I know that there is a story that the producers had approached the Beatles about doing the bit in "old age makeup" and having it be ostensibly in the band's "future" and the Beatles were game for it but THEIR producer nixed it because he didn't think the group appearing in old age makeup would be good for their image.

Alistair

06-09-2009, 09:02 AM

There could well be issues with the clip of The Beatles.

The issues with that clip were cleared up several years ago. There are no rights issues currently precluding The Chase being released on DVD.

fireSTRIKE!

06-09-2009, 09:11 AM

Mac Danny

06-09-2009, 09:19 AM

just passing thru and wondering... is there any idea as to when the Next Doctor and the Planet of the Dead eps will be broadcast here in the US on the SciFi channel, which is the Doctor's broadcast outlet here?... just curious as to when we can expect those eps... want to keep an eye open for them, you understand...

I watched planet of the Dead on youtube in 10 min sections. I do not know when it will air in the US

adamthered

06-09-2009, 11:07 AM

just passing thru and wondering... is there any idea as to when the Next Doctor and the Planet of the Dead eps will be broadcast here in the US on the SciFi channel, which is the Doctor's broadcast outlet here?... just curious as to when we can expect those eps... want to keep an eye open for them, you understand...

BBC America actually got the first broadcast rights to the Specials. They're suppose to air some time over the summer (can't recall the exact dates).

fireSTRIKE!

06-09-2009, 11:29 AM

BBC America actually got the first broadcast rights to the Specials. They're suppose to air some time over the summer (can't recall the exact dates).

thanks for the info, adam... will have to go to BBC America's website and check their scheduling... maybe it'll be listed there somewhere... thanks again, man... :cool:

king mob

06-09-2009, 01:06 PM

Oh, I had forgotten about that clip. Still, wasn't it taken from one of the BBC TV programs of the day -- like the British version of "American Bandstand" or something?

It's a clip from Top of the Pops, and in a horrible irony it's the only surviving clip from that episode of TOTP as it was wiped in the 60's.

king mob

06-09-2009, 01:09 PM

The issues with that clip were cleared up several years ago. There are no rights issues currently precluding The Chase being released on DVD.

Ah jolly good. Then I'd imagine we'll see it fairly soon as 2Entertain are starting to get into the home straight with Who DVD's. Colin Baker's run will be complete when The Twin Dilemma comes out during the summer, Troughton only has a few left, as does McCoy, though there are still big chunks of Tom Baker and Pertwee to get through.

I beleive the plan is to finish sometime around 2013 for the programme's 50th anniversary.

Stressfactor

06-09-2009, 02:26 PM

Ah jolly good. Then I'd imagine we'll see it fairly soon as 2Entertain are starting to get into the home straight with Who DVD's. Colin Baker's run will be complete when The Twin Dilemma comes out during the summer, Troughton only has a few left, as does McCoy, though there are still big chunks of Tom Baker and Pertwee to get through.

I beleive the plan is to finish sometime around 2013 for the programme's 50th anniversary.Weeeellll that all depends on what they do with several of the partially missing episodes.

"Reign of Terror" had NO clips on the "Lost in Time" DVD and is only missing two episodes out of the six.

"The Tenth Planet" is only missing one episode out of four and it also had no representation on the "Lost in Time DVD.

"The Ice Warriors" is only missing two episodes out of six and it, too, had no representation on the "Lost in Time" DVD.

One would think they would have to do SOMETHING with those three stories. All of the other partial stories had the surviving parts and/or clips on the two "Lost in Time" DVD's. If they don't animate the missing parts of those three then they'll have to do a third "Lost in Time" DVD to cover them.

If they wanted to double dip they could also re-release "The Crusade" and "The Moonbase" with the missing portions animated since both of those stories are only missing two out of four segments.

Captain Jim

06-09-2009, 06:41 PM

BBC America actually got the first broadcast rights to the Specials. They're suppose to air some time over the summer (can't recall the exact dates).

From the Doctor Who News Page (June 1) -

BBC America has announced that their new BBC America HD channel will launch in July with the HD broadcast of Torchwood: Children of Earth and the latest Doctor Who special, Planet of the Dead. Torchwood: Children of Earth will air on BBC America HD and BBC America on five consecutive nights, beginning on Monday, July 20. Planet of the Dead will follow on Sunday, July 26. (As previously announced, the 2008 Christmas special, The Next Doctor, will air on BBC America on Saturday, June 27.)

fireSTRIKE!

06-10-2009, 08:09 PM

From the Doctor Who News Page (June 1) -

Quote:
BBC America has announced that their new BBC America HD channel will launch in July with the HD broadcast of Torchwood: Children of Earth and the latest Doctor Who special, Planet of the Dead. Torchwood: Children of Earth will air on BBC America HD and BBC America on five consecutive nights, beginning on Monday, July 20. Planet of the Dead will follow on Sunday, July 26. (As previously announced, the 2008 Christmas special, The Next Doctor, will air on BBC America on Saturday, June 27.)

thanks for the heads-up on this, Jim... much appreciated... didn't realize how close they were to broadcasting all this...

king mob

06-11-2009, 02:09 PM

Weeeellll that all depends on what they do with several of the partially missing episodes.

"Reign of Terror" had NO clips on the "Lost in Time" DVD and is only missing two episodes out of the six.

"The Tenth Planet" is only missing one episode out of four and it also had no representation on the "Lost in Time DVD.

"The Ice Warriors" is only missing two episodes out of six and it, too, had no representation on the "Lost in Time" DVD.

One would think they would have to do SOMETHING with those three stories. All of the other partial stories had the surviving parts and/or clips on the two "Lost in Time" DVD's. If they don't animate the missing parts of those three then they'll have to do a third "Lost in Time" DVD to cover them.

The Tenth Planet and The Ice Warriors are to have animated replacement episodes, the other odds and sods have nothing confirmed as yet. 2Entertain will possibly do something, but they're busy recolouring old Pertwee episodes so they can get more out in 2010.

Captain Jim

06-12-2009, 09:11 PM

king mob

06-13-2009, 05:20 AM

Oh joy, Daleks. They've not been overused at all.

Stressfactor

06-13-2009, 08:22 AM

Oh joy, Daleks. They've not been overused at all.
I hate to say it but.... yeah, I agree.

After all, what's left for the crazy pepper pots to DO even? Over the decades they've done damn near everything from attempting to invade the Earth multiple times to even just stealing the planet.

And it's getting to the point where they've stopped being a threat since the Doctor just blows the shit out of them each and every time.

If they're going to use some old monsters I wish they'd use some OTHER ones besides the Daleks. Better yet.... BRING ON THE NEW MONSTERS, YEAH!

I'm looking forward to a new batch of scaries.

Ontir

06-13-2009, 08:29 AM

From what Moffat has said, that's what you're going to get.
He thinks "Who" is best when new, and beyond Davies, the BBC hasn't renewed its lease of the Daleks from the Nation estate. That can, of course, change, but for the immediate future, no Daleks.

I think Davies was in a rough spot re: "old monsters." If he didn't bring in the Dalkes and the Cybermen, not to mention the Master, people would've been upset. Of course the flip-side is "How much is too much?" For me, the Daleks were used enough. I don't want to see them, unless they can really come up with something interesting, for a few years.

Charles RB

06-13-2009, 08:49 AM

According to Russell Davies, the eleventh Doctor will be facing Daleks in his very first episode.

Oh for fuck's sake.

thehod

06-13-2009, 12:49 PM

According to Russell Davies, the eleventh Doctor will be facing Daleks in his very first episode.

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2009/06/12/russell-t-davies-at-the-national-film-theatre-torchwood-doctor-who-and-daleks/

Russell Davies has got a habit of telling us one thing and meaning something totally different.

I wouldn't be surprised if this ended up being a story where the Dalek's were nothing more than a 'behind the scenes' type threat.

Charles RB

06-13-2009, 01:01 PM

Extra points if the Doctor goes to a future Maddam Tussard's and literally looks into the face of a wax Dalek.

king mob

06-14-2009, 05:31 AM

From what Moffat has said, that's what you're going to get.
He thinks "Who" is best when new, and beyond Davies, the BBC hasn't renewed its lease of the Daleks from the Nation estate. That can, of course, change, but for the immediate future, no Daleks.

There's been rumours that the BBC renegotiated the deal with the Nation estate to ensure they can still sell Dalek merchandise as well as using the Daleks in Who.

I think Davies was in a rough spot re: "old monsters." If he didn't bring in the Dalkes and the Cybermen, not to mention the Master, people would've been upset. Of course the flip-side is "How much is too much?" For me, the Daleks were used enough. I don't want to see them, unless they can really come up with something interesting, for a few years.

Davies had to bring back the old, popular monsters like the Cybermen & the Daleks, but he did himself a mischief by undoing all the good work he did returning the Daleks to actually being powerful & scary, by turning them into camp Carry On characters.

Hopefully this is just Davies talking bollocks, but I can see the BBC telling Moffat that he has to get the Daleks in series five in order to try to get high ratings.

LordEd1976

06-14-2009, 12:09 PM

According to Russell Davies, the eleventh Doctor will be facing Daleks in his very first episode.

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2009/06/12/russell-t-davies-at-the-national-film-theatre-torchwood-doctor-who-and-daleks/\

(sigh)

If he had to use an old enemy why not the Sontarans, Ice warriors, Sea Devils, Celestial Toymaker, Meddling Monk, War Chief, Silurians, Autons, Axos, Zygon, Rutans, or countless other races/enemies that have appeared before?

blackphoenix

06-14-2009, 02:34 PM

double post. sooory1

blackphoenix

06-14-2009, 02:36 PM

According to Russell Davies, the eleventh Doctor will be facing Daleks in his very first episode.

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2009/06/12/russell-t-davies-at-the-national-film-theatre-torchwood-doctor-who-and-daleks/

UGH.....I am SOOO sick of those bleedin' pepper pots! I thought the Moff was gonna use mostly new monsters??? And I would love to see the Zygons return as well....didn't they only have one appearance like a zillion years ago?

Ontir

06-14-2009, 03:52 PM

Maybe there's a carry-over in story from Davies to Moffatt, or maybe the new Doctor will carry a larger part of Davies' last story than we've thought.

Ratings are always a slave-driver, though seemingly far less so for the Beeb.

I actually liked most of what Davies did with the Daleks. They were as diminished as the Timelords, but unlike the Doctor, refusing to be "the last." I also liked the way the Doctor's actions brought about the Dalek Empire at the end of season 4.

Stressfactor

06-14-2009, 06:10 PM

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(sigh)

If he had to use an old enemy why not the Sontarans, Ice warriors, Sea Devils, Celestial Toymaker, Meddling Monk, War Chief, Silurians, Autons, Axos, Zygon, Rutans, or countless other races/enemies that have appeared before?I agree wih any of these except the War Chief -- because I think he's dead, and the Autons because they got used for the 9th Doctor and, really, once you get past the "Shop window dummies?!" surprise they're not as effective.

I'd REALLY like to see the Rutans again because we've only seen them once and we don't know *that* much about them so they're a pretty blank slate.

Stressfactor

06-14-2009, 06:12 PM

I also liked the way the Doctor's actions brought about the Dalek Empire at the end of season 4.Wait... What? There wasn't any Dalek Empire at the end of Season 4. There were the Daleks sitting on 27 planets and trying to destroy the rest of the universe. Not CONQUER it, DESTROY it.

Also, how the Doctor's actions did this? Uh, what? It was Dalek Caan. He was the one who brought Davros back from out of the Time War.

king mob

06-15-2009, 12:33 PM

Maybe there's a carry-over in story from Davies to Moffatt, or maybe the new Doctor will carry a larger part of Davies' last story than we've thought.

Moffatt has hinted that they'll be a clear start point for his Dovtor & we'll notice the difference.

Ratings are always a slave-driver, though seemingly far less so for the Beeb.

Not any more, the BBC is going through a huge transition (who'd have thought that it'd be a Labour government that broke them) & ratings is a huge thing, especially programmes on BBC One.

ChrisIII

06-16-2009, 05:52 AM

IO9 confirms a rumored guest star for the finale :

Big spoilers!!!!!!

http://io9.com/5291509/your-first-look-at-doctor-whos-next-big-guest-stars

LordEd1976

06-16-2009, 09:07 AM

I agree wih any of these except the War Chief -- because I think he's dead, and the Autons because they got used for the 9th Doctor and, really, once you get past the "Shop window dummies?!" surprise they're not as effective.

I'd REALLY like to see the Rutans again because we've only seen them once and we don't know *that* much about them so they're a pretty blank slate.

the War Chief is a Time Lord. Just say he regenerated.

Agree that the Autons were already used for the 9th Doctor's first adventure. Heck, they helped start Pertwee's 3rd Doctor adventures before that. Maybe team them up with another villian?

the Rutans need more than just one appearance and some mentions everytime the Sontarans show up.

Stressfactor

06-16-2009, 09:09 AM

Hmmmm Dalton as a High Council Dignitary? Could I be smelling flashback?

king mob

06-16-2009, 12:48 PM

Hmmmm Dalton as a High Council Dignitary? Could I be smelling flashback?

Possibly, or Davies is bringing back the Time Lords & Gallifrey.

Stressfactor

06-16-2009, 02:20 PM

Possibly, or Davies is bringing back the Time Lords & Gallifrey.Five years of..... "They're dead! They're all dead! Boo-hoo, lonely Time Lord" only to get wave of magic wand "They're back, they're all back! Now I have to run away again and be rebellious!".......? I'm not sure I can see it.

Of course, I suppose it would fit a trend of "putting all the toys back in the toybox where you found them" that a lot of TV and comic book writers seem to have these days when they finish their runs.

king mob

06-16-2009, 02:45 PM

Five years of..... "They're dead! They're all dead! Boo-hoo, lonely Time Lord" only to get wave of magic wand "They're back, they're all back! Now I have to run away again and be rebellious!".......? I'm not sure I can see it.

Of course, I suppose it would fit a trend of "putting all the toys back in the toybox where you found them" that a lot of TV and comic book writers seem to have these days when they finish their runs.

It may well be that Moffatt wants the Time Lords back, or simply that Davies is tired of the 'I'm so ronrey' bollocks like the rest of us. We'll see come Christmas.

Oh yes, Series five starts filming in Cardiff and nearby next month.

Nate Grey

06-16-2009, 03:38 PM

Cyke

06-17-2009, 12:59 AM

I looked at the Who-wiki, and all the Doctors "died" differently, it seems (with #8's regeneration to #9 still unknown). I hope #10's is done well, and, well, doesn't have anything to do with The Master.

Frickin' eh, I hope he doesn't get done in by the Daleks. He can skewered in the back by a Weeping Angel (cuz he wouldn't see it coming!), but not by a boring old Dalek.

Stressfactor

06-17-2009, 07:19 AM

Frickin' eh, I hope he doesn't get done in by the Daleks. He can skewered in the back by a Weeping Angel (cuz he wouldn't see it coming!), but not by a boring old Dalek.Besides, we already HAD that "near miss" with the Dalek at the end of series 4.

You know, though, it's rather a tribute to the series that, with nine past Doctors and eight "deaths" shown so far (argueably the Second Doctor didn't "die" so much as forced regeneration) there have only been two bad death scenes.... and ironically enough BOTH involved Sylvester McCoy. Go figure.

Joe no Sleep

06-17-2009, 10:48 AM

Stressfactor

06-17-2009, 11:00 AM

Will Shada be released on dvd? I imagined they would take the vhs with Tom Baker's narration and pair that with the Paul Mcgann animated remake in a 2-disc to give a complete feel, or maybe they'd do new animated episodes to fill the gaps of the old one.Well, they can't do NEW animated stuff a la "The Invasion" because "The Invasion" was completely filmed and they had the audio track from the episode.

"Shada" was never completely filmed so they would have to make up a brand new audio track, get all of the previous actors and actresses involved and record all of the dialog and really, even though Tom Baker and Lalla Ward both still have *good* voices you can tell their voices have aged when you listen to their older stuff with their more recent stuff side by side. This would lead to big chunks of the story not matching up vocally.

Honestly, "Shada" is a bit of a conundrum that I don't know how they intend to solve. Perhaps the best way would be to actually re-record the whole thing in a much more fluid and modern animation style with the Tom Baker, Lalla Ward, and John Leeson as their voices are now (yes, I KNOW that, at the time Shada was filmed K-9 was being voiced by David Brierly but Brierly is dead now and I always did prefer Leeson's take to Brierly's).

king mob

06-17-2009, 12:10 PM

I looked at the Who-wiki, and all the Doctors "died" differently, it seems (with #8's regeneration to #9 still unknown). I hope #10's is done well, and, well, doesn't have anything to do with The Master.

Errr, you might have to cope with seeing another Master induced regeneration if all the reports are true.

king mob

06-17-2009, 12:13 PM

Will Shada be released on dvd? I imagined they would take the vhs with Tom Baker's narration and pair that with the Paul Mcgann animated remake in a 2-disc to give a complete feel, or maybe they'd do new animated episodes to fill the gaps of the old one.

Shada is going to be released at some point by 2Entertain. It'll probably contain the VHS release as that was actually a good attempt to bridge the gaps, but as to what form it'll take nobody knows, but it could easily be a 3-disk edition.

king mob

06-17-2009, 12:53 PM

Next week on Radio 4 there's this little gem.

Mark Gatiss, Doctor Who writer and fanatic, explores the hugely popular Doctor Who novelisations of the 1970s and 80s, published by Target books. Featuring some of the best excerpts from the books and interviews with publishers, house writers, illustrators and the actors whose adventures the books tirelessly depicted.

In an age before DVD and video, the Target book series of Doctor Who fiction was conceived as the chance for children to 'keep' and revisit classic Doctor Who. They were marketed as such, written in a highly visual house style. Descriptive passages did the work of the TV camera and the scripts were more or less faithfully reproduced as dialogue.

The books were as close to the experience of watching as possible, and were adored by a generation of children who grew up transfixed by the classic BBC series. Target Doctor Who books became a children's publishing phenomenon - they sold over 13 million copies worldwide. From 1973 until 1994, the Target Doctor Who paperbacks were a mainstay of the publishing world.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00l59rk

Nate Grey

06-17-2009, 01:01 PM

Errr, you might have to cope with seeing another Master induced regeneration if all the reports are true.

lol Well maybe this will be the first time both make the other regenerate at the same time by way of throttling? :biggrin: I get the impression Timothy Dalton is there as the newest incarnation of the Master, not some time dignatary or whatever.

Charles RB

06-17-2009, 04:33 PM

Possibly, or Davies is bringing back the Time Lords & Gallifrey.

If we ask him nicely, will he not?

Stressfactor

06-17-2009, 06:47 PM

If we ask him nicely, will he not?At LEAST let him bring Romana back! The Whoniverse needs the awesomeness of Romana in it. The rest of the Time Lords can go jump in a lake though for all I care....

RachelRules

06-19-2009, 08:24 AM

Someone else may have posted something along this line (if so, apologies), but wouldn't it be cool if David Tennant came to his senses and there were a spin-off show of the adventures of Rose and the meta-crisis Doctor.

Ah, well . . . one can dream, can't one?

marshal99

06-19-2009, 08:41 AM

Doubt that but with the human doctor & rose , it does provide a door for Piper & Tennant to make a special appearance or cameo if there is ever a need for it.

ChrisIII

06-19-2009, 09:36 AM

A Rose spin-off called "Rose Tyler: Earth Defense" was apparentally considered, but ultiametly dropped and Sarah Jane was made instead.

Not sure about Dalton being the next Master, what with the robes and all. Then again, Eric Robert's Master wore similar robes....(" I always dress for the ocassion").

marshal99

06-19-2009, 10:01 AM

Since Rose will show up for the christmas special along with Donna & Sarah Jane among others. I'm guessing it will wrap up all the newer companion's story like Donna & Rose and complete the cycle of the old doctor before david tennant hands it to matt smith.

Torchwood season 3 promo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enSjozL01lI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AizV9vmGG0

Nate Grey

06-19-2009, 12:14 PM

Stressfactor

06-19-2009, 03:32 PM

Giles

06-20-2009, 10:26 AM

According to Russell Davies, the eleventh Doctor will be facing Daleks in his very first episode.

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2009/06/12/russell-t-davies-at-the-national-film-theatre-torchwood-doctor-who-and-daleks/

Daleks? Again? I just re-watched Journeys End, I thought they were the last Daleks? I'm confused.

king mob

06-21-2009, 06:44 AM

king mob

06-21-2009, 06:47 AM

Daleks? Again? I just re-watched Journeys End, I thought they were the last Daleks? I'm confused.

the Daleks have been 'destroyed forver' several times in the past. They always come back, it's just since Nu-Who started they come back all the bloody time.

Stressfactor

06-21-2009, 05:09 PM

the Daleks have been 'destroyed forver' several times in the past. They always come back, it's just since Nu-Who started they come back all the bloody time.be fair -- In Jon Pertwee's five years as the Doctor he faced the Daleks three times and to be honest MOST of those stories didn't really need the Daleks in them at all.

king mob

06-22-2009, 04:18 AM

be fair -- In Jon Pertwee's five years as the Doctor he faced the Daleks three times and to be honest MOST of those stories didn't really need the Daleks in them at all.

Death to the Daleks is a really terrible story & you feel the contempt for the Daleks dripping throughout the story. I do like Frontier In Space though, it's a wildly ambitious story & it works really well. Pity about Planet of the Daleks mind.

Stressfactor

06-22-2009, 06:24 AM

Planet of the Daleks is the one I like the least. It could have been a really good sci-fi story on it's own but then they tack on the Daleks and it feels like overkill and then they give the Daleks.... Bullets! They take away the cool-ass ray guns to give them what amounts to Dalek revolvers!! BULLETS!!! AAARRRRGGHHHHHH!!!!!!

Stressfactor

06-22-2009, 06:27 AM

Getting away from the Dalek discussion..... Bought "The Five Doctors" over the weekend and watched it last night with the Easter Egg commentary by Phil Collinson, Helen Raynor and David Tennant.... It's probably sad that I haven't laughed so hard at something in a long time. It was so much fun listening to those three revel in fanboyish glee and then occasionally take the story to task for some of it's stupider moments.

Loved the bit where Helen Raynor said she'd nick the Raston Warrior robot in a heartbeat if she could get away with it.

king mob

06-22-2009, 09:32 AM

Getting away from the Dalek discussion..... Bought "The Five Doctors" over the weekend and watched it last night with the Easter Egg commentary by Phil Collinson, Helen Raynor and David Tennant.... It's probably sad that I haven't laughed so hard at something in a long time. It was so much fun listening to those three revel in fanboyish glee and then occasionally take the story to task for some of it's stupider moments.

It's a lovely little touch having them do that, though Collinson is a tad dull.

Loved the bit where Helen Raynor said she'd nick the Raston Warrior robot in a heartbeat if she could get away with it.

She probably will, but she'd do it in a really dreary way.

Nate Grey

06-22-2009, 09:41 AM

The robes are why I'm thinking flashback. After all, Gallifrey is gone and if they *did* bring it back would it really make sense to have everyone still running around in those robes and ridiculous collars -- when there had been a war on?

It just seems more likely that Dalton is playing a role from Gallifrey's past.

We don't know what that sole picture means, its all guesswork, so why one way has to be it or another has to be it is...confusing, to say the least. Maybe the Master figured out a way to regenerate (or possess someone) and is posing as someone from Galifrey's past to get the drop on the Doctor. He's done something similar before (Yana), it wouldn't be surprising if he did something similar one last time.

Either way I'm convinced somehow its the Master. Guess we'll have to wait till December to find out.

Captain Jim

06-22-2009, 07:38 PM

Since Rose will show up for the christmas special along with Donna & Sarah Jane among others. I'm guessing it will wrap up all the newer companion's story like Donna & Rose and complete the cycle of the old doctor before david tennant hands it to matt smith.

Have Rose and Sarah Jane been confirmed? I thought that was just rumor.

king mob

06-23-2009, 04:54 AM

Have Rose and Sarah Jane been confirmed? I thought that was just rumor.

It is but it's rumoured only to be small cameo appearances.

There is a rumour going round that Matt Smith is doing a press appearance in the new costume this week, or next week, as part of the pre-filming publicity for series 5.

And, if this is true (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvandradio/doctor-who/5609141/Dr-Whos-David-Tenant-joins-other-10-Time-Lords-for-one-off-show.html), we've got the Ten Doctors for Children In Need night in November. If it is true then I'd imagine Waters of Mars is being broadcast on Halloween as rumoured.

thehod

06-24-2009, 04:11 PM

And, if this is true (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvandradio/doctor-who/5609141/Dr-Whos-David-Tenant-joins-other-10-Time-Lords-for-one-off-show.html), we've got the Ten Doctors for Children In Need night in November. If it is true then I'd imagine Waters of Mars is being broadcast on Halloween as rumoured.

If they're gonna do that, I'd rather it be a proper episode or a special, rather than just a ten minute jobby.

But that's my internal fanwank talking.

Paul McEnery

06-24-2009, 05:23 PM

Have Rose and Sarah Jane been confirmed? I thought that was just rumor.

I don't know, but the photos of the two of them naked in bed seem to indicate it.

king mob

06-25-2009, 04:24 AM

If they're gonna do that, I'd rather it be a proper episode or a special, rather than just a ten minute jobby.

But that's my internal fanwank talking.

What's setting my utter bollocks detector off is I don't see how they'll get Eccleston back, even if it's only for a quickie cameo, as he pretty much burned his bridges behind him when he left the programme.

And also, seeing Matt Smith before the regeneration at Christmas as suggested in the Mirror? I don't think that's realistic.

marshal99

06-25-2009, 04:29 AM

Have Rose and Sarah Jane been confirmed? I thought that was just rumor.

I'm not so sure they are in the same special but there's online pictures that showed Rose and Donna on set filming.

There's also some youtube fan footage that shows the doctor saving luke from a car and luke yelling for his "mom" as the doctor walks back to his tardis.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_JsGqmd__k

Typo Lad

06-25-2009, 05:05 AM

I'm not so sure they are in the same special but there's online pictures that showed Rose and Donna on set filming.

There's also some youtube fan footage that shows the doctor saving luke from a car and luke yelling for his "mom" as the doctor walks back to his tardis.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_JsGqmd__k
That could be from Sarah Jane Adventures though; The Doctor is supposed to appear this season.

marshal99

06-25-2009, 05:25 AM

That could be from Sarah Jane Adventures though; The Doctor is supposed to appear this season.

You're right , it could be. Only time will tell.

Stressfactor

06-25-2009, 07:26 AM

king mob

06-25-2009, 08:18 AM

That could be from Sarah Jane Adventures though; The Doctor is supposed to appear this season.

He is in a two-part episode in series 3 which is supposed to start in September.

Nate Grey

06-25-2009, 09:34 AM

He is in a two-part episode in series 3 which is supposed to start in September.

Yes! More Sarah Jane! I was getting worried there for a second. The show is just...fun. I love it.

rick

06-25-2009, 09:42 AM

What's setting my utter bollocks detector off is I don't see how they'll get Eccleston back, even if it's only for a quickie cameo, as he pretty much burned his bridges behind him when he left the programme.

Show business is an amazingly forgiving profession once in awhile, so we can but hope.

Stressfactor

06-25-2009, 10:18 AM

Show business is an amazingly forgiving profession once in awhile, so we can but hope.Also, nearly anything can be forgiven in show business if enough money is involved.

I know they're saying that this would be for charity BUT they would also get a metric crap ton of mileage off of it. Free publicity, buzz, word of mouth, etc. And if it's good it would be something talked about for years -- all of which, in showbusiness often equals money.

Not too shabby a set of reasons for someone to swallow their pride or kiss and make up.

Nate Grey

06-25-2009, 10:25 AM

But all that is moot since ALL the remaining (as in living) Doctors will show up in the Children in Need special, right? Including Paul McGann (#8)!

Typo Lad

06-25-2009, 11:03 AM

Not too shabby a set of reasons for someone to swallow their pride or kiss and make up.

Especially someone with a movie on the way.

Stressfactor

06-25-2009, 11:50 AM

Saw a report that said that David Tennant reported that the episode of "The Sarah Jane Adevntures" he is doing will also have K-9 in it!

The Doctor, Sarah Jane and K-9? TRIFECTA!

"Good dog!"
"Affirmative"

king mob

06-26-2009, 06:17 AM

Also, nearly anything can be forgiven in show business if enough money is involved.

I know they're saying that this would be for charity BUT they would also get a metric crap ton of mileage off of it. Free publicity, buzz, word of mouth, etc. And if it's good it would be something talked about for years -- all of which, in showbusiness often equals money.

Not too shabby a set of reasons for someone to swallow their pride or kiss and make up.

To be fair to Eccleston he had good reason to be pissed off, plus he's not got a history of wanting publicity for anything but his work, even if it is crap like GI Joe.

king mob

06-26-2009, 06:19 AM

But all that is moot since ALL the remaining (as in living) Doctors will show up in the Children in Need special, right? Including Paul McGann (#8)!

Until it's confirmed by the BBC it's just the Mirror talking bollocks.

Stressfactor

06-26-2009, 07:03 AM

To be fair to Eccleston he had good reason to be pissed off, plus he's not got a history of wanting publicity for anything but his work, even if it is crap like GI Joe.Oh, you misunderstand my point of view. I wasn't thinking that ECCLESTON would be the one kissing and makeing up, I was thinking that it would be RTD and the BBC who would go to HIM on their knees offering to kiss Eccleston's ass if he would do it again.

ChrisIII

06-26-2009, 07:11 AM

Tennant says that the special is a false rumor:

http://www.sfx.co.uk/page/sfx?entry=tennant_denies_all_knowledge_of

He also states that the final three specials will be quite dark.

Giles

06-26-2009, 12:00 PM

Yes! More Sarah Jane! I was getting worried there for a second. The show is just...fun. I love it.

You're lucky! I have seen the latest 5 min Sarah Jane-special, but none of the regular seasons. But it was hella fun to see Sarah Jane in SE/JE. :smile:

Any word if the Tardis interior will change when the new Doctor "arrives"?

Cyke

06-26-2009, 12:05 PM

Tennant says that the special is a false rumor:

http://www.sfx.co.uk/page/sfx?entry=tennant_denies_all_knowledge_of

He also states that the final three specials will be quite dark.

Frankly, Im more interested in what Tennant had to say about the last three specials. I love the idea that the last special was the last time we got to see the Tenth Doctor having fun, as that's such an intrinsic element of the Tenth Doctor's core. I quite like many of the lighter stories in the RTD era, but the grim stuff is what I'm looking forward to.

But i've never really been all that satisfied with the last two series finales, either, so... grain of salt and all that.

ChrisIII

06-26-2009, 02:43 PM

There have been rumors that there will be a new console room, as well as some changes to the exterior of the TARDIS as well.

Giles

06-27-2009, 12:37 AM

There have been rumors that there will be a new console room, as well as some changes to the exterior of the TARDIS as well.

The question then is how much will they change; will it be ultra-modern, with holographic tech etc, or are they going to preserve the current, more organic look?

Spike-X

06-27-2009, 02:39 AM

That's a really good question!

Matt

06-27-2009, 04:49 AM

A more refined look (less cables needlessly hanging about) would be very nice.

Also a control room that doesn't run off old PC Mainboards and instead one that actually uses something that looks like insanely advanced technology would make more sense. OTOH, not one that looks anything like a Trek style control console ... those things were just daft.

I'm thinking a veneer of old Earth style hiding the really advanced tech - for example a control room much like the 1996 movie but when panels are opened (eg, repairs) then you see the crazy sci fi tech.

king mob

06-27-2009, 08:52 AM

Oh, you misunderstand my point of view. I wasn't thinking that ECCLESTON would be the one kissing and makeing up, I was thinking that it would be RTD and the BBC who would go to HIM on their knees offering to kiss Eccleston's ass if he would do it again.

I don't think Eccleston had problems with RTD, he did have problems with some of the production team, many of whom are still there.

Ontir

06-27-2009, 10:06 AM

As of Time Crash, the look of the TARDIS is simply a Desktop Theme selection, so the next Doctor could simply turn a dial, press a button, or pull a lever and get a holographic set-up.

I like the current look, which is a smaller version of the interior from the American movie. I don't need to see an entire change, but I would like to see a stair well, going up and down, to hint at the truly vast size of the TARDIS' interior.

Zero Hunter

06-27-2009, 01:04 PM

The "Next Doctor" special airs tonight on BBC America at 9:00 finally.

Matt

06-27-2009, 03:09 PM

I like the current look, which is a smaller version of the interior from the American movie.

Um. The two are absolutely nothing alike at all.

Stressfactor

06-27-2009, 04:45 PM

Um. The two are absolutely nothing alike at all.

Evidence to back Matt up.... THIS is the console from the 1996 movie http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d5/Tvmconsole.jpg

While THIS is the console pretty much from 2005 on http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/6/6a/Tinterior1.jpg/800px-Tinterior1.jpg

So, yeah... really not very similar. There is a bit to the lighting which is kind of similar -- in that both used lower light levels than the previous brightly lit, white concole room and both used greenish and bluish hues in the light but that's pretty much it.

ChrisIII

06-28-2009, 12:50 AM

The biggest similarity between the two is the time rotor-in both cases it's a long tube connected to the ceiling instead of the cylinder which popped up and down in the original series.

I think there was some speculation that the new series console room basically is the Mcgann room, but heavily damaged, stripped down, and repaired with whatever was available after the time war.

Giles

06-28-2009, 01:23 AM

Also a control room that doesn't run off old PC Mainboards and instead one that actually uses something that looks like insanely advanced technology would make more sense. OTOH, not one that looks anything like a Trek style control console ... those things were just daft.

I have to admit; the first time that I saw the control room on the first ep. of (the new) Doctor Who, the first thing that came to mind was: "Oh wow, the Lexx!" lol

Having seen everything from B5 to BSG and SG-1/Atlantis, I'm always amazed how this shows always can take technology to an ever greater "advanced level," it would be interested to see more of that in Doctor Who - I would like to see "true" Time Lord hyper-advanced tech.

Stressfactor

06-28-2009, 06:18 AM

I think there was some speculation that the new series console room basically is the Mcgann room, but heavily damaged, stripped down, and repaired with whatever was available after the time war.See, I could buy that about the CONSOLE itself since the console looks like a mass of pieced together stuff in the new series but the REST of the room really doesn't have anything of McGann's in it. Just a few points:

1) McGann's console room actually has NO roudels on the walls. Instead they replicated the roundels on the metal struts surrounding the console itself. The new series console room HAS roundels on the walls.

2) McGann's console room has metal struts surrounding the console the new series room has what has been termed "coral" struts (although to me they look like smoothed, planed trees) but these are off to the side and not close to the console as the metal struts are.

3) McGann's console room has a wooden floor the new series console room has a metal grating floor.

4) The new series added a railing around the concole and a kind of jump seat on one part of it the McGann concole has none of that.

Spike-X

06-28-2009, 06:22 AM

Nerd.

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Stressfactor

06-28-2009, 06:35 AM

Nerd.

.And you're just NOW realizing this?:tongue:

All kidding aside, I actually have a thing for set design. I can't DO it but I'm always fascinated by it. How decisions about set dressing changes a scene. Personally, I think set dressing is particularly interesting for sci-fi shows because the set designer gets to make something from "whole cloth" so to speak. I mean if you're doing a modern family drama type show and you need sets like 'a kitchen', 'a bedroom' or 'a living room' you know you're going to be limited to just different types of beds, different types of sofas or different types of chairs, etc.

Think about the first person to create the TARDIS interior. It's 1963 and you're being asked: "Hey, make me an interior to a time machine". How could you NOT go nuts with that?

And then subsequent people being asked to REdesign something as iconic as the TARDIS? Think about how much guts that takes.

Charles RB

06-28-2009, 07:54 AM

Stressfactor

06-28-2009, 07:59 AM

Odd thing about the new Tardis - the DWM strips couldn't have a scene with Rose having a bedroom in the Tardis because, according to BBC Wales, the characters don't live/sleep there.

Which begs the question of where they DO sleep. And why there was all that "I've been away for sveeral episodes BUT NOW I'M BACK HOME!" guff when the Doctor could've just constantly picked them up from there...And yet the TARDIS has a three story wardrobe room.

Also, Nyssa, Tegan and Adric had bedrooms and those were shown in the classic series.

But, then again, the BBC has never exactly been consistent on stuff. During the "Key to Time" series the show was going to be celebrating it's 15th anniversary (I think) and they wanted to do a little tribute scene by having Romana I and K-9 giving the Doctor a surprise birthday party complete with cake. The BBC nixed it by declaring that they didn't want to see the Doctor eating on screen because they were afraid people might see him less "alien" if they knew that he ate and drank.... All despite the fact that in earlier years the Doctor had been seening eating and drinking on screen often. And then there was the whole "the Doctor doesn't drink alcohol" prohibition which showed up in the 1980's despite the fact that the the Third Doctor had not only drank wine but showed himself to be a conissour of wine as well and (again during "The Key to Time") the Doctor drank sherrry at least once.

Basically, the BBC are inconsistent.

Deathstroke

06-28-2009, 10:25 AM

Okay, can someone spoil me on the last 15 minutes of The Next Doctor? I fell asleep.

ChrisIII

06-28-2009, 01:03 PM

Basically the Doctor defeats a giant mecha Cyberman-the "Cyberking"-and everything's happily ever after, except the Doctor is still lonely.

Stressfactor

06-28-2009, 01:29 PM

Basically the Doctor defeats a giant mecha Cyberman-the "Cyberking"-and everything's happily ever after, except the Doctor is still lonely.Weeelllll not *quite* true. For once the Doctor doesn't run off when he gets an invitation to spend Christmas with someone and he agrees to have Christmas dinner with Jackson Lake and his family and friends.

Stressfactor

06-28-2009, 01:30 PM

Also, I just remembered one of my OTHER favorite console room overhauls... the secondary console room used during the Tom Baker era.

I'd really like to see something that incorporates some of those elements only.... bigger. I liked the Secondary design but it always felt a little small to me.

Charles RB

06-28-2009, 05:40 PM

Basically the Doctor defeats a giant mecha Cyberman-the "Cyberking"-and everything's happily ever after, except the Doctor is still lonely.

Only duller than he's making it sound.

Matt

06-28-2009, 06:33 PM

I'd really like to see something that incorporates some of those elements only.... bigger. I liked the Secondary design but it always felt a little small to me.

It was also a bit too static. It lacked any actual moving parts which didn't help. If they had included a moving column (like in every other control room) on top of the console then it would have been a lot better.

Giles

06-28-2009, 07:31 PM

Oh come on; it wasn't that bad.

These are the final specials with the current Doctor, so personally, I will cherrish each moment (yeah, I know, sounds very sappy! lol). That doesn't mean that I have something against the next Doctor though (important to note).

I'm actually looking forward to the next incarnation of the Doctor and his new (generation of) companion(s)

king mob

06-29-2009, 04:07 AM

Only duller than he's making it sound.

The Next Doctor isn't too bad, it's let down by a typical RTD ending, but it's the best Christmas special so far. Planet of the Dead gets worse with each viewing.

Stressfactor

06-29-2009, 06:29 AM

I was glad to hear that "Planet of the Dead" would be the last 'light' story.

I've been a bit disappointed mostly because we've got about two years here only being sustained with five specials. To me, if you're going to do that you want the specials to feel.... special. You want to feel like you've eaten a five course meal to carry you through the lean times and instead the specials have largely felt like an ordinary meal... maybe even a 'dieter's plate special'.

I've got my fingers crossed for "Waters of Mars" though because that one looks creepy and when Doctor Who does creepy well it is well and truly creepy. It would also be really fitting if they will launch it at Halloween.

Deathstroke

06-29-2009, 06:38 AM

Only duller than he's making it sound.

I'd kind of have to agree with this statement based on what I did see. I thought it was kind of boring.

king mob

06-29-2009, 07:10 AM

I believe series 5 starts filming in Cardiff today. Hopefully Matt Smith's costume doesn't involve wearing big heavy coats or jumpers as the UK's in the middle of a heatwave.

Ontir

06-29-2009, 03:28 PM

Um. The two are absolutely nothing alike at all.

I only saw the TV movie once, but I was immediately struck by the similarities, and while they aren't identical, they clearly built more off of the US set, than the previous BBC sets.

They look very much alike. The biggest differences are the size and that the pillars leading up to the TARDIS console are more organic in the current set, and they take their time getting to it. Very similar.

Giles

06-29-2009, 03:52 PM

I believe series 5 starts filming in Cardiff today. Hopefully Matt Smith's costume doesn't involve wearing big heavy coats or jumpers as the UK's in the middle of a heatwave.

That's an interesting thought; what should Matt be wearing? The Ninth Doc. was modern, leather jacket and stuff, the Tenth was more earlier 20th century, so maybe Matt will be more....um.....what?

Ontir

06-29-2009, 04:05 PM

That's an interesting thought; what should Matt be wearing? The Ninth Doc. was modern, leather jacket and stuff, the Tenth was more earlier 20th century, so maybe Matt will be more....um.....what?

He's younger, so maybe a leather jacket, not the same as Eccleston's, and a T-Shirt with that Time Lord symbol that Baker wore on Gallifrey.

Spike-X

06-29-2009, 04:08 PM

I believe series 5 starts filming in Cardiff today. Hopefully Matt Smith's costume doesn't involve wearing big heavy coats or jumpers as the UK's in the middle of a heatwave.
The forecast for most of this week is 29 °C. That's not a heatwave, that's what we call in the rest of the world 'nice weather'.

Matt

06-29-2009, 05:07 PM

His first adventure shall be to find out what nefarious villain stole his eyebrows.

Charles RB

06-29-2009, 05:47 PM

The forecast for most of this week is 29 °C. That's not a heatwave, that's what we call in the rest of the world 'nice weather'.

The rest of the world has both air-conditioning and a population who aren't used to being cold and damp.

Spike-X

06-29-2009, 08:28 PM

The rest of the world has both air-conditioning and a population who aren't used to being cold and damp.

Anyone who needs air conditioning in 29° is too weak to be allowed to live!

Cyke

06-29-2009, 10:12 PM

That's an interesting thought; what should Matt be wearing? The Ninth Doc. was modern, leather jacket and stuff, the Tenth was more earlier 20th century, so maybe Matt will be more....um.....what?

I wouldn't call Tenth's style as 20th century; Tennant himself described it as geek chic, various celebrities have worn his style of suit + chuck taylors before he came on board (Justin Timberlake, for example), and I think I see his various hairstyles on Gossip Girl.

...don't ask why I know about that last part.

Charles RB

06-30-2009, 04:10 AM

Anyone who needs air conditioning in 29° is too weak to be allowed to live!

The instant there's a story about heatstroke deaths over here, I am so going to re-quote you and leave out the context. :tongue:

Tobias March

06-30-2009, 04:40 AM

John Barrowman gets the cart before the horse. (http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2009/jun/30/doctor-who-torchwood-john-barrowman)

king mob

06-30-2009, 06:38 AM

John Barrowman gets the cart before the horse. (http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2009/jun/30/doctor-who-torchwood-john-barrowman)

He's pissed off because the BBC have made Torchwood a huge summer broadcasting event?

Stressfactor

06-30-2009, 07:02 AM

The instant there's a story about heatstroke deaths over here, I am so going to re-quote you and leave out the context. :tongue:Heatstroke at 85 F?!?! If anyone dies of "heatstroke" at that temperature they obviously have other health problems.

I don't turn on the air conditioning in my car unless it's over 85 degrees (and sometimes not even then). The air conditioning in my apartment is set at 78 for god's sake! Last weekend the temp here in the midwest spiked out at over 100 degrees!

Come to the midwest sometime -- we have it all -- There's a fault line in Missouri so we have the potential for earthquakes, tornadoes, thunderstorms, blazing heat and high humidity in the summer, freezing cold, wind, snow, ice and sleet in the winter, in the spring the rivers and creeks flood..... wait..... WHY do I live here again?

king mob

06-30-2009, 07:16 AM

Heatstroke at 85 F?!?! If anyone dies of "heatstroke" at that temperature they obviously have other health problems.

As Charles has said, it's generally the very young and the elderly that suffer from deaths, but we're really not used to these temperatures (average summer temperatures is mid 20's) at all as they happen once every 3 or 4 years at most. Plus it's incredibly rare for the UK to be so hot in June, this is more like late July or August.

Last time we had heatwave conditions was in 2006 and that was across Europe. France and UK saw huge numbers die because people just weren't used to, or able to cope, with such conditions.

I don't turn on the air conditioning in my car unless it's over 85 degrees (and sometimes not even then). The air conditioning in my apartment is set at 78 for god's sake! Last weekend the temp here in the midwest spiked out at over 100 degrees!

Most houses in the UK don't need air-conditioning, or at least they didn't before climate change started to make our summers hotter. The heatwave every 3 or 4 years I mentioned is something we've only been getting since the mid-90's, though our summers generally are getting much hotter.

Stressfactor

06-30-2009, 08:11 AM

A big bowl of ice with a fan set behind it, blowing across it really works wonders when you don't have AC -- it's what people used to do here in America back in the old days.

I used to spend summers at my honorary Aunt and Uncle's farmhouse and it didn't have AC.

It DOES depend on what you're used to, though, and the coping mechanisms one creates to adapt. Like I said, I've been born and raised in the Midwest so I'm used to temperature extremes. Over 90 degrees in the summer is usual and below zero temps in the winter are not unusual.

king mob

06-30-2009, 10:00 AM

The DVD of The War Games is out on Monday. A 3 disc edition which looks to be one of the most comprehensive Who DVD's released.

Stressfactor

06-30-2009, 10:49 AM

The DVD of The War Games is out on Monday. A 3 disc edition which looks to be one of the most comprehensive Who DVD's released.THREE discs?! Wow. That thing's going to cost a metric crap ton of money here in the U.S.

Retail, two disc sets can go for close to $30.

Giles

06-30-2009, 11:44 AM

He's younger, so maybe a leather jacket, not the same as Eccleston's, and a T-Shirt with that Time Lord symbol that Baker wore on Gallifrey.

This symbol?

http://www.chucklingcthulhu.com/timelordsymbol.gif

I wouldn't call Tenth's style as 20th century; Tennant himself described it as geek chic, various celebrities have worn his style of suit + chuck taylors before he came on board (Justin Timberlake, for example), and I think I see his various hairstyles on Gossip Girl.

...don't ask why I know about that last part.

Why do you know about the last part? lol

When I first saw the promos for the (then) New (10th) Doctor, i thought that Tennant looked too - well not geeky exactly - but a bit outdated. Now I can't Imagine him (Tennant) wearing anything else, that style suits him (and I mean it in a flattering way).

Nate Grey

06-30-2009, 11:58 AM

That's an interesting thought; what should Matt be wearing? The Ninth Doc. was modern, leather jacket and stuff, the Tenth was more earlier 20th century, so maybe Matt will be more....um.....what?

When I saw this earlier in the thread, I didn't mind it one bit:
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2008-2/1297322/foo_cot_lord.jpg

Also, why should the Doctor wear collars again?

RachelRules

06-30-2009, 12:25 PM

Who's the best Doctor and why?

For me, gotta be the Tenth all the way. David Tennant plays the Doctor as the multi-faceted character that he is. He can be truly funny one minute, and almost frightingly serious the next. One glare and he has most of his enemies shaking in their boots. However, he also caused the character to grow and change. This Doctor fell in love (more than once) and wasn't afraid to cry (the end of "Doomsday" makes [I]me[I] cry every time). He was heartbreakingly lonely but brings such a nobleness to his loneliness.

I'm gonna miss the Tenth Doctor and can only hope that the meta-crisis Doctor will make the occasional guest appearance.

How about you? Who's your favourite?

king mob

06-30-2009, 12:30 PM

THREE discs?! Wow. That thing's going to cost a metric crap ton of money here in the U.S.

Retail, two disc sets can go for close to $30.

Play.com have it at £13.99 (http://www.play.com/DVD/DVD/4-/10125426/Doctor-Who-The-War-Games/Product.html) which isn't too bad, but it's RRP is nearer 24 quid which is probably what they'll base the price on in the US.

king mob

06-30-2009, 12:32 PM

When I first saw the promos for the (then) New (10th) Doctor, i thought that Tennant looked too - well not geeky exactly - but a bit outdated. Now I can't Imagine him (Tennant) wearing anything else, that style suits him (and I mean it in a flattering way).

Tennant took inspiration from Jarvis Cocker apparently.

Still no sign of this rumoured press call for Matt Smith in costume yet.

Charles RB

06-30-2009, 01:22 PM

The DVD of The War Games is out on Monday. A 3 disc edition which looks to be one of the most comprehensive Who DVD's released.

Yayyyyy! :smile:

Captain Jim

06-30-2009, 05:57 PM

I'd kind of have to agree with this statement based on what I did see. I thought it was kind of boring.

So, did you finish watching it, via the links I gave you?

king mob

07-01-2009, 05:55 AM

Eww, there's a horrible poll up there ^^

Stressfactor

07-01-2009, 07:55 AM

Eww, there's a horrible poll up there ^^It got merged into this thread because another poster had started a separate thread titled something along the lines of "Who is the Greatest Doctor Ever".

I knew it was going to get merged sooner or later.... The problem is, I think once it's THERE we're kind of stuck with it -- i.e. it won't go away no matter how much time passes. Unlike separate threads where, if no one bothers to respond to them, eventually sink away into oblivion.

If we ignore it long enough we might, eventually, be able to petition the mods to make it go away...

Ontir

07-01-2009, 09:49 AM

http://www.chucklingcthulhu.com/timelordsymbol.gif

That's it exactly!

Stressfactor

07-01-2009, 10:23 AM

That's it exactly!That is actually known as "The Seal of Rassilon" and it has been used as a seal of the Time Lords in general but also used as the emblem of the Prydonian Academy -- of which the Doctor was a graduate (having scraped by with a 51% on his second try)......

:Facepalm: Yeah. Okay. Nerd. *Double checks just to make sure* Yep. Nerd.

Matt

07-01-2009, 04:28 PM

It also appeared in a 4th Doctor Cyberman story (revenge? attack? I don't recall), featuring all over the place in an asteroid (planet?) that had lots of gold which was the home of a race of aliens.

Charles RB

07-01-2009, 04:59 PM

That's odd. Maybe they just reused it on Gallifrey to save cash.

Ontir

07-02-2009, 12:18 PM

Maybe the Time Lords had something to do with the planet of gold and the race that had inhabited it.

king mob

07-02-2009, 01:27 PM

It also appeared in a 4th Doctor Cyberman story (revenge? attack? I don't recall), featuring all over the place in an asteroid (planet?) that had lots of gold which was the home of a race of aliens.

It was in Revenge, possibly the worst Cyberman story in the old series. It was reused simply to save time & money.

king mob

07-02-2009, 01:31 PM

Stressfactor

07-02-2009, 02:26 PM

It was in Revenge, possibly the worst Cyberman story in the old series. It was reused simply to save time & money.Wait. WORST Cyberman story? Worse even than "Attack of the Cybermen"? Just the fact that "Revenge" had Tom Baker in it already raises it at least a step above "Attack".

Anyway.... In "Revenge of the Cybermen" the Doctor DOES say that the Time Lords helped to planet Voga (the gold planet) early in the planet's development.... and then the Vogans kicked them to the curb without so much as a 'by-your-leave'. The Doctor (IIRC) also hints that this was then one of the reasons why the Time Lords eventually pulled back to Gallifrey and developed a strict policy of 'observation only' and non-interference in other planets (It was the charge of interference which was the reason why the Doctor got exiled to Earth in his Third incarnation).

Fanon has theorized that the Time Lord symbol on Voga is a remnant of the time when the Time Lords were helping the Vogans to develop and, after the Vogans kicked the Time Lords out, they kept the symbol around.

It's not such a very far-fetched idea. Several former British colonies and former American colonies have incorporated the Union Jack or the American Flag into their country's flag.

Captain Jim

07-02-2009, 04:59 PM

The rumours that RTD is to announce a Who film at San Diego are not going away. (http://blogs.coventrytelegraph.net/thegeekfiles/2009/07/-speculation-is-continuing-to.html)

Yeah, Rich Johnston just said it's confirmed as well:

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2009/07/02/will-euros-lyn-direct-the-upcoming-doctor-who-movie/

king mob

07-05-2009, 06:03 AM

Wait. WORST Cyberman story? Worse even than "Attack of the Cybermen"? Just the fact that "Revenge" had Tom Baker in it already raises it at least a step above "Attack".

Until recently I'd agree with you, but Revenge isn't trying anything new & features a completley uninspired Tom Baker performance. Attack is full of pointless fanwankery but after watching it again on DVD, I actually realised that it's not as bad as I'd remembered it being.

Nate Grey

07-05-2009, 11:10 AM

Well I liked The Next Doctor. Is that the first appearance of the Cyber King?

ChrisIII

07-05-2009, 12:36 PM

Well, the term "Cyberking" was mentioned when Mickey was trying to guess what was inside the sphere in Army of Ghosts. But apart from that the Cyberking is a new creation.

Nate Grey

07-05-2009, 01:09 PM

Well, the term "Cyberking" was mentioned when Mickey was trying to guess what was inside the sphere in Army of Ghosts. But apart from that the Cyberking is a new creation.

It was a bizarre sight but kinda cool. I gotta ask, though...if this was back in time, and a giant skyscrapper size robot was firing blasts and blowing chunks out of the city, why wasn't this recorded in history? "Oh, right, the Giant Robot Massacre of 1857," or something. In fact, I'm sure this question can be asked for any number of Dr. Who eps where something equally fantastical happens but doesn't get recorded in the annals of history. One of those "don't think to hard about it" scenarios? :biggrin:

Charles RB

07-05-2009, 02:03 PM

if this was back in time, and a giant skyscrapper size robot was firing blasts and blowing chunks out of the city, why wasn't this recorded in history? "Oh, right, the Giant Robot Massacre of 1857," or something.

If we asked RTD, he'd probably answer "because SHUT UP that's why!".

ChrisIII

07-05-2009, 03:09 PM

Yeah, the funny thing about Nuwho is that every (modern) alien invasion has consequences. There's even a recurring newscaster lady! In the original series, most of the alien invasions were probably covered up by UNIT, or something like that.....

The novels do go into some more detail about how the invasions were covered up, I believe.

Ontir

07-05-2009, 04:52 PM

If we asked RTD, he'd probably answer "because SHUT UP that's why!".

Torchwood covered it up, removing records, and forcing alterations of history texts.

Charles RB

07-05-2009, 06:26 PM

It happens before Torchwood exist, as I recall.

Yeah, the funny thing about Nuwho is that every (modern) alien invasion has consequences.

But they don't really. There's montages of news reports and foreign cities, stirring music plays, and we're told this is a big thing... but nobody remembers the next time.

Like, Donna. Donna lives in London. Donna missed the Christmas Invasion and the Cybermen attack & Battle of Canary Wharf (I won't even go into the two months of ghosts), because she was hung over and in Spain respectively. That's like a Londoner not knowing about the July 7 bombings. Only stupider, because there'd be a lot more destruction and a lot more deaths.

And this after the Doctor's "now EVERYBODY knows!" at the end of Christmas Invasion.

This is why the Big Alien Attacks irk me - why should I care? You don't, RTD.

Ontir

07-05-2009, 06:42 PM

That doesn't mean Torchwood wouldn't "fix" the history later.

king mob

07-06-2009, 03:30 AM

If we asked RTD, he'd probably answer "because SHUT UP that's why!".

The question is covered by a few lines of dialogue where Morrissey asks Tennant something along the lines of how 'this day will be remembered', and Tennant replies' hmm, no, funny that'.

However the end was shoddy and to be fair to RTD he did admit that. Now Planet of the Dead is just shoddy from start to finish.

I'm dreading the idea of a Who film actually. Not only will it have your typical HUGE EPIC ENDING that RTD loves, but it'll probably fall apart at the end as most of RTD's endings tend to do.

Spike-X

07-06-2009, 03:32 AM

But just think of the quotes they'll be able to put on the movie poster -

"Brilliant!" - Russell T. Davies

"Fantastic!" - Russell T. Davies

"Wonderful!" - Russell T. Davies

Charles RB

07-06-2009, 11:14 AM

That doesn't mean Torchwood wouldn't "fix" the history later.

Why would they? What'd be the point? Why'd they feel required to cover up aliens when they're now public knowledge in the city of the world's largest empire, i.e. quickly becoming known across that empire and its rivals? It'd make no sense and would be dumb.

...ah, so Torchwood would do it.

But just think of the quotes they'll be able to put on the movie poster -

"Brilliant!" - Russell T. Davies

"Fantastic!" - Russell T. Davies

"Wonderful!" - Russell T. Davies

"I'm sorry. I'm so sorry." - Tennant

Stressfactor

07-06-2009, 06:33 PM

Why would they? What'd be the point? Why'd they feel required to cover up aliens when they're now public knowledge in the city of the world's largest empire, i.e. quickly becoming known across that empire and its rivals? It'd make no sense and would be dumb.Not to mention the fact that, though conspiracy theorists like to deny it, it isn't that easy to "erase history".

Think about everything just little old you have done in your life, all the people you've met, now think about what someone would have to go through to erase you from record.

It's not like hitting a delete key on a computer... we're talking massive paper trail and then there is also word of mouth... family histories, stories passed down orally, etc.

Believe, me, I'm an archivist... I know from paper trails.

king mob

07-07-2009, 03:48 AM

Charles RB

07-07-2009, 12:31 PM

Not to mention the fact that, though conspiracy theorists like to deny it, it isn't that easy to "erase history".

Think about everything just little old you have done in your life, all the people you've met, now think about what someone would have to go through to erase you from record.

It's not like hitting a delete key on a computer... we're talking massive paper trail and then there is also word of mouth... family histories, stories passed down orally, etc.

Believe, me, I'm an archivist... I know from paper trails.

Not to mention why'd a militarily powerful and expansionist empire with rivals WANT to cover up an enemy assault on London? That sounds politically useful to me!

king mob

07-09-2009, 03:00 AM

There's a rumour that Matt Smith's first series is going to be called series one, rather than series five, which suggests that Moffat's going for the complete reboot.

Charles RB

07-09-2009, 04:32 AM

There's a rumour that Matt Smith's first series is going to be called series one, rather than series five, which suggests that Moffat's going for the complete reboot.

Of all Who ever or like Eccleston was a reboot?

Because the latter would make sense.

king mob

07-09-2009, 05:00 AM

Of all Who ever or like Eccleston was a reboot?

Because the latter would make sense.

The latter as apparently Moffat wants to make it obvious that this is different from the RTD years.

Typo Lad

07-09-2009, 05:05 AM

Except in the end, Eccleston turned out to be more of a semi-reboot, as the history was tacked back on, just "altered".

Wonder what will happen here.

Alan Lynch

07-09-2009, 05:39 AM

Except in the end, Eccleston turned out to be more of a semi-reboot, as the history was tacked back on, just "altered".

Wonder what will happen here.
Hopefully the same. The little nods to history add a lot to the show and it's not like acknowledging it has driven new viewers away so far.

Stressfactor

07-09-2009, 05:40 AM

Wait... I'm not being snarky here, I just don't quite understand... how was Eccleston's tenure a "reboot"? It seems to me that they intended all along for Eccleston's Doctor to be seen as a continuation just with this.... gap... in the middle. I mean, they doled out little hints that this was the "real" Doctor all along and it felt more like this was done calculatedly to reel in and keep the hardcore fans.

On the other hand, Moffat has been hinted to have some classic tendencies and if RTD could basically do a hand wave and say "Look! There was a Time War (and we're not going to show you anything about it) and everyone except the Doctor (and a few hundred thousand Daleks) died and the Doctor regenerated (but we're not going to show you that either) and now here we are!" Then I suppose Moffat could do something similar.

Although, honestly, if the show is going to keep going they'll probably have to do something like a reboot at some point when the Doctor hits life #13.

Stressfactor

07-09-2009, 05:46 AM

The rumours that RTD is to announce a Who film at San Diego are not going away. (http://blogs.coventrytelegraph.net/thegeekfiles/2009/07/-speculation-is-continuing-to.html)If this DOES happen the script writer needs to take lessons from the recent "Star Trek" movie on how to write a film that appeals to casual fans, hardcore fans, people who have only heard the name before, and people who just want to go see a sci-fi film.

I could see "Doctor Who" being very, VERY tricky if they don't want to stray too far from the source.... The Peter Cushing "Doctor Who" movies were entertaining (because 1. it's Peter Cushing and 2. They basically just adapted the TV scripts with a bigger budget) but weird in that they significantly changed the nature of the lead characters.

Charles RB

07-09-2009, 06:05 AM

Except in the end, Eccleston turned out to be more of a semi-reboot, as the history was tacked back on, just "altered".

Wonder what will happen here.

As mob says, probably the same - it happened but we're not going to go into the specifics (except when it'd be really cool like with Sarah Jane and K9).

Which, considering how interwoven RTD has made everything, is really the only way to go if you want to show a clear change in eras.

Wait... I'm not being snarky here, I just don't quite understand... how was Eccleston's tenure a "reboot"?

Soft reboot - if you've never watched Who before, this is acting like a brand-new series where the lead character has a long and mysterious past (which is just going back to the Hartnell roots really).

The Dalek is the only bit that might clash with that, but the Daleks are part of the national consciousness, people who've never seen Who still know what a Dalek looks like and that it screams "EXTERMINATE!".

king mob

07-09-2009, 06:55 AM

If this DOES happen the script writer needs to take lessons from the recent "Star Trek" movie on how to write a film that appeals to casual fans, hardcore fans, people who have only heard the name before, and people who just want to go see a sci-fi film.

It's apparently a RTD project so expect lots of big exciting explosions and the Doctor sits down to have a tin of Stagg chilli to show he's one of us.
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I could see "Doctor Who" being very, VERY tricky if they don't want to stray too far from the source.... The Peter Cushing "Doctor Who" movies were entertaining (because 1. it's Peter Cushing and 2. They basically just adapted the TV scripts with a bigger budget) but weird in that they significantly changed the nature of the lead characters.

We'll see, I don't like the idea of a huge film while Matt Smith is trying to establish himself. It's like you've started going out with a new girlfriend and that old one you split up with ages ago keeps texting you and calling you just when things get interesting.

Typo Lad

07-09-2009, 07:12 AM

The Dalek is the only bit that might clash with that, but the Daleks are part of the national consciousness, people who've never seen Who still know what a Dalek looks like and that it screams "EXTERMINATE!".

International, I'd say. I'd never seen Who but I knew what a Dalek was.

Tobias March

07-09-2009, 07:35 AM

Remember how most actors who have played The Doctor (Tom Baker being the obvious one) have went off to do utter shite after just leaving the role? Tennant is following this grand tradition. (http://uk.news.yahoo.com/21/20090707/ten-tennant-to-play-st-trinian-s-baddie-5f8abb3.html) I sat through 20 minutes of the first film and even though it's a dirty old mans dream, it's unwatchable rubbish.

Um....I'm probably dead to you now, but I kinda liked it.

I know, it's awful (well Russell Brand certainly was - christ he was being upstaged by 16-year olds....) but Rupert Everett and Colin Firth singing a duet?

Made me chuckled :smile:

Stressfactor

07-09-2009, 08:36 AM

We'll see, I don't like the idea of a huge film while Matt Smith is trying to establish himself. It's like you've started going out with a new girlfriend and that old one you split up with ages ago keeps texting you and calling you just when things get interesting.Yeah, that is something to keep in mind. Although I might make the comparison to being more like: Imagine if you were Roger Moore trying to establish yourself as James Bond and Sean Connery kept going around making all of these OTHER movies and specials as James Bond.

Stressfactor

07-09-2009, 08:38 AM

International, I'd say. I'd never seen Who but I knew what a Dalek was.I didn't. Just sayin'. HOWEVER... I was talking with a friend over the weekend about "Doctor Who" and she'd never really even watched the show and she said "Now which was the guy who wore the scarf?" So, yeah, some thing ARE international.

king mob

07-09-2009, 09:16 AM

Um....I'm probably dead to you now, but I kinda liked it.

I know, it's awful (well Russell Brand certainly was - christ he was being upstaged by 16-year olds....) but Rupert Everett and Colin Firth singing a duet?

Made me chuckled :smile:

It should have been more than lots of incredibly lovely young girls in schoolgirl outfits and Russel Brand making a few nob gags. It might have got better after the first 20 minutes, but I couldn't make myself watch it any longer. I really couldn't.

king mob

07-09-2009, 09:19 AM

Yeah, that is something to keep in mind. Although I might make the comparison to being more like: Imagine if you were Roger Moore trying to establish yourself as James Bond and Sean Connery kept going around making all of these OTHER movies and specials as James Bond.

It took Davison about a year to get people to stop thinking that Tom Baker was The Doctor and that's when Tom Baker washed his hands with the programme completely, so that's how difficult it was.

I think Smith has a similiar job to do following Tennant, he's got to follow the actor who has nade the role his own in the 21st century. So making a film that comes out will only help hold Smith and Moffat back, which is why I hope RTD's '3rd project' is this Ten Doctors thingy.

ChrisIII

07-09-2009, 02:35 PM

Stressfactor

07-09-2009, 03:02 PM

Clip from "Waters of Mars"

http://www.digitalspy.com/tv/a164294/doctor-who-waters-of-mars-preview-clip.html

Some people are saying that the skin of the water zombies kind of resembles the Ice Warriors. Not sure if they'll be mentioned or seen, though.Creepy. Nice.

I also see that the story is now listed as being slated for November... so I guess there goes the idea of a Halloween special. Pooh.

Cyke

07-09-2009, 04:05 PM

Creepy. Nice.

I also see that the story is now listed as being slated for November... so I guess there goes the idea of a Halloween special. Pooh.

I said this in another board but I'll repeat it here:

I certainly hope there's minimal Murray Gold music this time around, just as it is in this clip (well, the clip has no music, hah). It was certainly creepy but still quintessentially Doctor Who, but I'm afraid that blaring trumpets and hyperactive drums would have ruined the serious creep factor.

DrDoom616

07-09-2009, 08:11 PM

Yeah, get rid of the crap music, makes the show too cheesy, prefer it to go back to the original creepy style of Hartnell era

rick

07-09-2009, 10:18 PM

Cyke

07-09-2009, 10:42 PM

Stop wallowing in your cynical detachemnt for a minute and just try to enjoy yourselves for a change.

I can't, Murray Gold's music keeps getting in the way! :)

We'll have a nice, well-deserved moment of tender reunion and comforting solace between the Doctor and any given companion... and the horns blare and the drums rapidly beat. It drives me nuts sometimes, esp. during Planet of the Dead.

I'm a firm believer of nuance within the story and from the actors, which I think the Ninth Doctor's run was chock full of. We'll also get that in quite a number of newer episodes, but that music...!

rick

07-09-2009, 10:45 PM

I'm a firm believer of nuance within the story and from the actors, which I think the Ninth Doctor's run was chock full of. We'll also get that in quite a number of newer episodes, but that music...!

I've got to say it, I like the music.

The main theme was only improved with the addition of strings and drums.

Cyke

07-10-2009, 01:43 AM

I've got to say it, I like the music.

The main theme was only improved with the addition of strings and drums.

I have a couple tracks from each season of nuWho, courtesy of iTunes, because I like them too. But I also tend to find their use pretty distracting and somewhat inappropriate the later into the series you go (most esp. Series 4). I'd love to tell Gold someday that sometimes less is more, the music should always reinforce but never override what we see, and that there are limits to just how many different kinds instruments you can have playing at the same time. What are we at now, a dozen and a half separate instruments playing one note? He's fine, he does good work, but he just has to tone it the hell down and let the scene speak for itself sometimes. It's like he and Russell T. Davies are trying to one-up each other in scale, with the poor writers and actors caught in the mix.

Did you clearly hear every single piece of dialogue in Planet of the Dead in one go despite the quote-unquote "background" music? I sure as hell couldn't, and I watched it on an entertainment system.

Edit: also, this pretty much explains things: http://trekbbs.com/showpost.php?p=3151658&postcount=7

Spike-X

07-10-2009, 02:49 AM

Nate Grey

07-10-2009, 04:12 AM

Good God some of you just whine and whine and whine.

The entire run of the new Doctor Who, from the very first Eccleston episode all the way up until the Next Doctor have been some of the most enjoyable, best written, exciting and funniest television to come out in the last 20 years, and with very few exceptions BETTER than the classic series in just about every single way.

But all I hear is the story sucked, the writing was terrible, there is too much action or too much talking or this actor is terrible or that actress is bad or this episode is not what Jon Pertwee would have done or the music is to bombastic etc, etc, etc.

Guys, we have Doctor Who back and four years into it, the show is as fresh and clever as ever, but it seems to me that most of you would rather just pick the show apart piece by piece rather than just sit back and enjoy the damm thing.

Stop wallowing in your cynical detachemnt for a minute and just try to enjoy yourselves for a change.

Agreed. I've enjoyed every minute of it myself. I vaguely remember the Tom Baker years myself (mostly through reruns on PBS), so this is like new to me in a way. I've been seeing old eps where I can and doing research. And LOVED the TV movie and the 8th Doctor, so finding out there's gonna be a "series 4" so to speak of the 8th Doctor audio plays is intriguing to me. I was able to find one, The Beast of Orlok, and its pretty good.

So I guess for me, its hard NOT to enjoy the Doctor. Some of the criticisms I'm hearing are brand new to me, especially The Next Doctor being boring. That was pretty damn fun, especially with Two Doctors (in a way) playing off each other. My criticism about the Cyberking not being recorded in history was tongue in cheek, not a knock against the show. Didn't detract from my enjoyment at all. The show's not high art and I think it was never supposed to be, but even then its not that bad. I like NuWho a lot.

king mob

07-10-2009, 04:19 AM

Good God some of you just whine and whine and whine.

That's our jobs.

The entire run of the new Doctor Who, from the very first Eccleston episode all the way up until the Next Doctor have been some of the most enjoyable, best written, exciting and funniest television to come out in the last 20 years, and with very few exceptions BETTER than the classic series in just about every single way.

Who is good telly, at times it's great telly but we've touched upon the differences between how it's percieved in the US & UK, and although it's the best family drama out there, it's an incredibly flawed thing in a way that the flaws are meant to be ignored because 'it's fun'. I love the programme but it's often impossible to watch because it slips into making the samemistakes that's common on modern British telly in that it suffers from a 'that'll do'' attitude, rather than trying to take the time to do better.

Yes, much of new Who is better than the old series, but much of it isn't so it's a true continuation of the series in that respect.

But all I hear is the story sucked, the writing was terrible, there is too much action or too much talking or this actor is terrible or that actress is bad or this episode is not what Jon Pertwee would have done or the music is to bombastic etc, etc, etc.

Guys, we have Doctor Who back and four years into it, the show is as fresh and clever as ever, but it seems to me that most of you would rather just pick the show apart piece by piece rather than just sit back and enjoy the damm thing.

Stop wallowing in your cynical detachemnt for a minute and just try to enjoy yourselves for a change.

But Gold's music is something that detatches the viewer from what's on the screen. It's this Americanised idea that all drama should have incredibly loud music blaring over the meangingful bits because we're too daft to realise that something dramatic is happening on screen. Less is often more.

I'm glad Who's back, it's given us some wonderful episodes & Tennant has made the role his own, but it's a microcosm as to what's wrong with British television in 2009.

I'll say it again: RTD is to be hugely applauded for daring to think that Saturday teatime family drama could not only work, but it could work with a programme that had in it's latter years become a joke. His drive convinced the likes of the BBC that drama is something worth investing in for the family audience rather than yet another series of Strictly Come Dancing.

However the programme could do better, it set a benchmark with an excellent first series and since then has been erratic with half arsed scripts and just complete rubbish like Planet of the Dead.

I'm looking forward to Moffat's run & to see what Matt Smith does with the role, but it's silly to think that people should just enjoy it even if they're sitting then going 'nah, that's bollocks'.

Typo Lad

07-10-2009, 05:07 AM

Spike-X

07-10-2009, 05:33 AM

And we need to keep in mind, it is still basically a kids' program.

Typo Lad

07-10-2009, 05:34 AM

And we need to keep in mind, it is still basically a kids' program.
That's the only thing that kept me from demanding my money back from "The Phantom Menace".

king mob

07-10-2009, 05:49 AM

This is me, humping your leg.

Seriously, the good outweighs the bad.

It does. I can just about ignore shitefests like Fear Her because there's stuff like Midnight there.

king mob

07-10-2009, 05:51 AM

And we need to keep in mind, it is still basically a kids' program.

It is, and RTD is one of the most vocal supporters of children's drama in the UK. Which is why it is annoying when Who is crap, or shoddy or has a bloody Tinkerbell ending.

Typo Lad

07-10-2009, 05:56 AM

It does. I can just about ignore shitefests like Fear Her because there's stuff like Midnight there.
And there's no escaping the fact that "Blink" may be the single greatest episode of TV, genre or otherwise, ever.

king mob

07-10-2009, 06:02 AM

And there's no escaping the fact that "Blink" may be the single greatest episode of TV, genre or otherwise, ever.

It's very, very, very good, but it's not Dennis Potter or Alan Bleasdale. It is however, a brilliant example of what can be done on a Saturday teatime drama slot.

Wolf-Man

07-10-2009, 06:05 AM

The new Doctor Who is pretty good, I watch it. I do think they need to stretch out the episodes though. I like the old style length rather than trying to cram so much into the hour or whatever.

To me it feels so fast paced and crammed in that you don't really get time to reflect and put things together. It also seems the pull a lot of plot resolutions out of their arses too.

Will be interesting to see how the big hair twilight looking guy does when he takes over.

king mob

07-10-2009, 06:12 AM

The problem with the 4x25 (or however long a story was) minute format was you had huge amounts of padding, especially during Davison's time when companions would run back and forth getting captured and escaping.

Even in outright classics like Genesis of the Daleks, you have characters running up and down corridors, getting captured, dropping things, infact doing anything to fill up time. We even see it with the new series, something like Planet of the Dead could have worked in the 45 minute format, rather than tagging on another 15 minutes of talking about chops and gravy. Spinning something like Blink out to an hour, or even a two-parter would kill the tension of the story.

I mean I love The Silurlians but it's really two stories crammed into one & it does go on a bit. The only story over 6 episodes I've seen that works is The War Games, which is a hugely ambitious attempt to make something epic on a tight budget.

Wolf-Man

07-10-2009, 06:14 AM

I would prefer some padding than cramming.

Tobias March

07-10-2009, 06:15 AM

.................why won't they let Philip Pullman write an episode though, they've already 'homaged' the ending to His Dark Materials! :tongue:

king mob

07-10-2009, 06:18 AM

I'm still hoping we'll see the Stephen Fry episode at some point.

Tobias March

07-10-2009, 06:18 AM

king mob

07-10-2009, 06:20 AM

I am enjoying the new Torchwood though for being, to a certain extent, a throwback to that era of serialized television. Sapphire and Steel/Classic Doctor Who - they both had multiple episode arcs, whereas NuWho has featured an arc of three tops.

Sure they call it a 'mini-event', or whatever the chosen wording, but essentially this is how Doctor Who used to be.

It's how all serial drama on British television used to be, so it's not a new format, but it's a good way to get a younger generation familiar with an old format that wasn't broken.

Typo Lad

07-10-2009, 06:24 AM

It's very, very, very good, but it's not Dennis Potter or Alan Bleasdale. It is however, a brilliant example of what can be done on a Saturday teatime drama slot.

I don't know what that is.

Educate me? I'd love to find something better.

Charles RB

07-10-2009, 06:29 AM

I certainly hope there's minimal Murray Gold music this time around, just as it is in this clip (well, the clip has no music, hah). It was certainly creepy but still quintessentially Doctor Who, but I'm afraid that blaring trumpets and hyperactive drums would have ruined the serious creep factor.

I agree. I really hope this is how it will air, and not that they just haven't added the music on yet.

If you compare 60s and 70s Who - and Blake's 7, Survivors etc - to New Who, there's far less music and half the time that actually helps. Murray Gold wailing over the end of The Silurians or The Green Death would've been a mood killer.

The entire run of the new Doctor Who, from the very first Eccleston episode all the way up until the Next Doctor have been some of the most enjoyable, best written, exciting and funniest television to come out in the last 20 years

Some episodes, yeah, but the entire run? No it's not. A number of the episodes were merely alright, others outright suck.

Stop wallowing in your cynical detachemnt for a minute and just try to enjoy yourselves for a change.

See aforementioned "others outright suck".

You know what prevented me from enjoying myself and got me wallowing in detachment with Journey's End? Journey's End prevented me, by copping out with the regeneration cliffhanger, being unable to use half its cast, being obsessed with negating the end of Doomsday (why did you write it then Russell?), and having the Daleks be defeated by typing and getting pushed around. After two episodes of the Daleks as these awesome horrifying things swatting aside everything the heroes did, it is really hard not to be detached when that's how they get defeated.

So I don't rewatch Journey's End, I just rewatch The Stolen Earth because that one is the one that allows me to enjoy myself.

And this is a two-parter that has excellent build up, was trailed by a genuinely great episode, and features an army of heroes fighting against a Dalek force that conquers the Earth in about ten minutes - if I can't enjoy half of that, it's the show's fault, because I was psyched for the final episode.

EDIT: Fuck me, I sure get emotional in this post. Er.

Stressfactor

07-10-2009, 06:29 AM

I agree that the music is occasionally too loud in NuWho. It's interesting listening to the composer for Ghostlight talking about the delicate balance on some of the extras on that DVD. He mentions that dialogue must come first, sound effects come second and his music comes a distant third as to what people must be able to hear.

All that being said.... you have to love anything and anyone who can bring "The Sarah Jane Adventures" to TV. It's a damn sight better than a lot of American Children's live action programing. And it also is generally made up of two-part serials. It's something that kids will enjoy -- it doesn't talk down to them, it doesn't hit you over the head with a sledghammer for the moral lesson of the story, and parents can watch it with their kids and not feel like they're either going to tear their hair out or take up drinking heavily to get through it.

One of these days I have GOT to get the first season of SJA and show it to my nephew -- I think he'd love it.