Doctor Who *spoilers*

[AlistairCrane]

Not for me. I loved her by the end; probably my favourite regular companion of the new series.

I'm sorry Alan, but I'm totally questioning your taste. No one can ever come close to the amazingness of Rose and Martha.

[marshal99]

I'm sorry Alan, but I'm totally questioning your taste. No one can ever come close to the amazingness of Rose and Martha.

Welll , i wouldn't go that far.:biggrin:

Rose and Martha - lovestruck teenagers , Donna - frustrated old maid. :wink:

To Rose and Martha credit , they did toughen up over the course of the series especially Martha who had to endure months working as a maid while the doctor is hidden as a human and that one lost year during the master reign of terror while she survived and working all alone. The character of Martha was strong although the actress playing the character still looks like a lost lamb at times.

[Deathstroke]

I came to love Donna but Rose will always be my favorite.

[Alan Lynch]

I'm sorry Alan, but I'm totally questioning your taste. No one can ever come close to the amazingness of Rose and Martha.
Meh, I was never a big Rose fan. And Martha's pining got a bit tiresome - I loved her to bits, but she needed a bit of backbone. Donna was something different: she didn't fancy the Doctor and it gave her the confidence to stand to him. So yeah, she probably is my favourite. So there :tongue:

[Stressfactor]

Count me in the Donna fans too. I liked that she was older -- she'd been around the block a few times and she wasn't going to take crap off of no one -- not even the Doctor. She also felt a lot more real to me. She got scared, she got wigged out, and she wasn't ashamed to show it or admit to it. She didn't try to put on a brave face for anyone else -- but she FOUND her courage.

But, then again, being an American, I wasn't as exposed to her previous television work. It seems like a lot of the people who didn't like her were rather tired of her sketch comedy show.

And besides all the above she'd have to go a LOOOOONNNGGGG way before she was as bad of a companion as Adric.

[Dark_Master]

yeah, while I still like Martha best the fact that Donna wasn't pinning after the Doctor was a big improvement (though Martha's final speech in "Last of the Time Lords" was pretty cool)

[Toku King]

I came to love Donna but Rose will always be my favorite.

My favorite companions ever are(in no order) Rose, Sarah Jane Smith, Brigadier, Captain Jack Harkness, Micky Smith(season 2 and beyond), Ian Chesterton, Jaimie McCrimmon, Martha Jones, Zoe Herriot, and K-9(all models).

[Stressfactor]

Speaking of K-9, does anyone know what happened to that GCI animated K-9 cartoon that was going to be coming out? I could have sworn it was supposed to have hit TV by now.*



*Not that I had any desire to WATCH it after seeing the "redesign" on K-9 but I WAS curious about if they were going to try to tie it into the Whoniverse and if not how they were going to get AROUND mentioning the rest of the Whoniverse.

[king mob]

But, then again, being an American, I wasn't as exposed to her previous television work. It seems like a lot of the people who didn't like her were rather tired of her sketch comedy show.
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Not just that, it was her overexposure on the BBC & her general lack of acting ability. She wasn't as shite as Peter Kay though.

[Dark_Master]

Speaking of K-9, does anyone know what happened to that GCI animated K-9 cartoon that was going to be coming out? I could have sworn it was supposed to have hit TV by now.*



*Not that I had any desire to WATCH it after seeing the "redesign" on K-9 but I WAS curious about if they were going to try to tie it into the Whoniverse and if not how they were going to get AROUND mentioning the rest of the Whoniverse.the Wikipedia article about the series says that the production on the series started on July, so they can't have made all that much progress

and while I couldn't care less about the show I do hope they change K-9's design, because the design in picture in the article is just horrible. Even if they couldn't use the original design they didn't have to make it that much worse

[Paul McEnery]

Meh, I was never a big Rose fan. And Martha's pining got a bit tiresome - I loved her to bits, but she needed a bit of backbone. Donna was something different: she didn't fancy the Doctor and it gave her the confidence to stand to him. So yeah, she probably is my favourite. So there :tongue:

Oh, absolutely. I could have stood another season of her, easy.

Whereas I was happy to see all that nonsense with lovesick Martha go bye-bye. What a total waste of everyone's time and talent that was.

[AlistairCrane]

I came to love Donna but Rose will always be my favorite.

Rose's my favourite too. I didn't think I would like Martha at first, but she was also fantastic. I loved them both, and it made perfect sense that both of them would fall in love with the Doctor, and he with them. Martha fits in very well with the Torchwood crew so I'd love to see her return to Cardiff.

Rose's final scene in Doomsday was heartwrenching.....

...but her scene in Partners in Crime was spinetingling!

[ChrisIII]

Along with E-space, War Games, Battlefield and Four To Doomsday apparentally these will be among the first classic DVDs to arrive in late 2008/2009 (Apparentally the trailers have been cleared by the BBFC)

The Rescue: Vicki's first story. Don't really remember a lot of this one.

The Romans: The TARDIS lands in Rome during Nero's reign. One of the more lighthearted historical stories.


The Twin Dillema: Colin Baker's first story and one of the most maligned WHO stories ever.

Attack of the Cybermen: Colin's second story, and one way too mired in continuity. Probably one of the major reasons why RTD wanted to start fresh with the Cybermen.


Twin and Attack actually complete Colin's era, so I wonder if that'll mean a box set down the road?

[SUPERECWFAN1]

I watched "Journey's End" and was pretty impressed by it. Loved how everyone who in recent years of the Who series had a part to play. And the finale really was like an era ended here for a lot of those who have showed up in Who.



Skip down to not give it away for those who haven't seen..





















Donna : Had her mind wiped clean to protect her fragile human brain. That much knowlodge and power was going to kill her.

Rose : She returned and once the Doctor's clone happened...she got to walk off into the sunset with the half human/half Time Lord . The Doc explained that she had helped cure him in their times togethor and now she could help him. Plus spend their life togethor since Rose did love the Doctor.

Martha & Nick : Seems like they went off with Jack ...

In the finale it shows the Doctor alone...which is sad. Saw a preview for the Return of the Cybermen ! Should be fun..

[Sanagi]

Journey's End is exactly what I predicted it would be: The new series version of The Five Doctors. Jam-packed with fan service, but a complete mess of a story.

[Stressfactor]

Along with E-space, War Games, Battlefield and Four To Doomsday apparentally these will be among the first classic DVDs to arrive in late 2008/2009 (Apparentally the trailers have been cleared by the BBFC)

The Rescue: Vicki's first story. Don't really remember a lot of this one.
It's not *that* great of a story. It's okay but there are plot holes. Thankfully it's a short story.

The Romans: The TARDIS lands in Rome during Nero's reign. One of the more lighthearted historical stories. Yeah, this one is fun. But it's also a bit short. I imagine "The Rescue" and "The Romans" will be priced a little lower and even at that they had better have some cracking good extras to make them worth the money.


The Twin Dillema: Colin Baker's first story and one of the most maligned WHO stories ever.

Attack of the Cybermen: Colin's second story, and one way too mired in continuity. Probably one of the major reasons why RTD wanted to start fresh with the Cybermen. Really? Because I considered "Silver Nemesis" to be far more mired in Who trivia and the Cybermen have to share their villain status with Nazis and Lady Peinforte. Face it, simply by the end the load of crap that had been heaped on the Cybermen made them jokes.

[king mob]

The Christmas special's title is confirmed as being The Next Doctor which should keep the rumour mill flowing.

Also, here's two stills from a deleted scene (http://blogtorwho.blogspot.com/2008/09/cybermen-in-tardis.html) from Journey's End that popped up in RTD's book released last week.

[Doodle Bob]

The Christmas special's title is confirmed as being The Next Doctor which should keep the rumour mill flowing.

Also, here's two stills from a deleted scene (http://blogtorwho.blogspot.com/2008/09/cybermen-in-tardis.html) from Journey's End that popped up in RTD's book released last week.

I know that this has been discussed before, but can I just say that David Morrissey as the Doctor would be cool beyond belief? Not to sound too gay, but his staid yet potent masculinity would be a fascinating thing to watch in that role. Well, it would be like Cary Grant as the Doctor.

Then again I also liked the idea of Jennifer Saunders as the Doctor.

[Stressfactor]

Okay, with all you Great Britons raving about Morissey I want to check this guy out for myself. Is there anything he's been in that you can recomend that I can actually get my hands on here in America?




And.... In another note.... Over the weekend I broke down and actually purchased "Vengeance on Varos" as part of my ongoing efforts to have a complete Doctor Who DVD and CD library. Speaking as a confirmed 6th Doctor hater..... Um.... I actually LIKED this one! :eek:

It had some flaws but I think the message might even resonate better today than it did back in the 1980's and the writer on this one managed to keep the Peri-Doctor bickering to a minimum and that at the beginning. For the rest of the story Colin Baker was on a pretty even keel and, dare I say it... Doctorish.

[Popgun]

Okay, with all you Great Britons raving about Morissey I want to check this guy out for myself. Is there anything he's been in that you can recomend that I can actually get my hands on here in America?


Try State Of Play (With John Simm), Blackpool (With D. Tennant) and Holding On for starters. Perhaps check out Cape Wrath/Meadowlands while you're at it.

Avoid Basic Instinct 2.

[mattx110]

Try State Of Play (With John Simm), Blackpool (With D. Tennant) and Holding On for starters. Perhaps check out Cape Wrath/Meadowlands while you're at it.

Avoid Basic Instinct 2.
Blackpool is sorta awesome. State of Play is fricken awesome.

[king mob]

Avoid Basic Instinct 2.

Stan Collymore though, Stanley Victor Collymore!!!

[Doodle Bob]

Actually, I'm as Yankee as Doodle Dandy. And to reveal that: the thing that I saw Morrissey in that convinced me was the recent BBC production of Sense and Sensibility -- played here in the States on Masterpiece.

[Joe no Sleep]

Yay!

"So you recognize me Brigadier?" "Who ELSE would it be?"

"Try me."

"I'm getting sick and tired of hearing about your mother."

"Is this the best your world can offer?" "No, I'm just trying to do the best I can."

"Get off my world."

And of course..... BLAM! :biggrin:

As stories go it's fair to middling but there really are some good lines and the Brig gets to be pretty awesome.

In the audio play "Death Comes to Time", the Brig has the best line - just as the villains plan to bomb London and Unit spacecraft emerge from the moon to fire a regenerative virus that cocks up the enemy fleet:

"Enemy Craft, you have the misfortune of addressing the BRIGADIER! Now, GET OUT OF MY SOLAR SYSTEM!"

[king mob]

The Guardian has a wee debate going on

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/organgrinder/2008/oct/02/television.doctorwho

[king mob]

Trial of a Time Lord is finally out on DVD. It's stupidly expensive (40 quid) but it's worth picking up to see just why the programme had to end when it, even though it's not as bad as I remembered it being.

[Stony]

Just saw the final of this latest series of Who.

Typical Russell t Davies.

He is *brilliant* at setting everything up, the layering, the mood, the hints...
But the payoff?... enh.




Here's for O'Toole as Who '09!

[Shades0077]

You folks seem to have a pretty good knowledege of all things Who.

Whereabouts could I find a coat like the one either 9th or 10th Doctor wears?

[mattx110]

You folks seem to have a pretty good knowledege of all things Who.

Whereabouts could I find a coat like the one either 9th or 10th Doctor wears?
9th wore a leather jacket. 10th is some kinda tan rain coat. Not really specialty wear. I dunno about the exact coats, but how close do you wanna get? Those long trenches can get expensive.

[ChrisIII]

Has there been any word on how the classic figures are selling? They seem to be pretty hard to find...

[ZT4]

Just saw the final of this latest series of Who.

Typical Russell t Davies.

He is *brilliant* at setting everything up, the layering, the mood, the hints...
But the payoff?... enh.


Bond Movie Sydrome to be sure.

[king mob]

The latest rumour is that Patrick Stewart is to appear in either series 5 or in one of next years specials. This might be real as Stewart lives in the UK and has got very matey with Tennant apparently.

Of course it does come from The Sun so treat it with caution.

[Sanagi]

The latest rumour is that Patrick Stewart is to appear in either series 5 or in one of next years specials. This might be real as Stewart lives in the UK and has got very matey with Tennant apparently.

Of course it does come from The Sun so treat it with caution.
http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/2131/adbsizedfc8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Oh yeah, great friends...

: D

[Haydn C]

http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/2131/adbsizedfc8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Oh yeah, great friends...

: D

That is just before the interval the picture you have there. Bloody great scene it was as well.
I never did put my thoughts together on seeing the both of them in Hamlet. I might try and do that tomorrow but suffice it to say it was an excellent evenings entertainment.
Having Patrick Stewart in Doctor Who is a great idea but after seeing them act together I do worry that Stewart might over shadow Tennant somewhat.

Hang on, if that is the biggest worry then we could be in for a treat.

[mattx110]

Can he be Picard?????

[mattx110]

The latest rumour is that Patrick Stewart is to appear in either series 5 or in one of next years specials. This might be real as Stewart lives in the UK and has got very matey with Tennant apparently.

Of course it does come from The Sun so treat it with caution.
Is there a co-worker Tennant won't sleep with?

[ZT4]

Is there a co-worker Tennant won't sleep with?

Patrick's seen everything:cool:

[marshal99]

I would rather Stewart take over as the next doctor if tennant doesn't want to do the gig ..........make it so. :wink:

[Alan Lynch]

I'd watch Patrick Stewart in just about anything, so if they can get him on board for anything Who I'll be positively giddy.

[Stressfactor]

I would rather Stewart take over as the next doctor if tennant doesn't want to do the gig ..........make it so. :wink:
No, no Patrick Stewart Doctor for me. I'm sure Stewart can be funny when it calls for it but he just doesn't quite have that eccentric feel. Even all the way back to Hartnell there has always been this thread of off-kilterness about the Doctor -- as if the character were always at least a half step (and sometimes more) off from the rest of us Earthlings.

I don't get that vibe from Stewart

[mattx110]

No, no Patrick Stewart Doctor for me. I'm sure Stewart can be funny when it calls for it but he just doesn't quite have that eccentric feel. Even all the way back to Hartnell there has always been this thread of off-kilterness about the Doctor -- as if the character were always at least a half step (and sometimes more) off from the rest of us Earthlings.

I don't get that vibe from Stewart
A french guy with a completely anglicised speach pattern and commie catch-phrases?

Nothing eccentric about that. Yes, I know he's not actually Picard.

I do!

[adamthered]

You folks seem to have a pretty good knowledege of all things Who.

Whereabouts could I find a coat like the one either 9th or 10th Doctor wears?


http://www.magnoliclothiers.com/

Check them out and feel the pain in your wallet. They make the entire 10th Doctor outfit but it will cost you over $1000 for it.

Then there's also the cheap, surely sweat shop made, versions you can obtain from Chinese sellers off Ebay.

[mattx110]

http://www.magnoliclothiers.com/

Check them out and feel the pain in your wallet. They make the entire 10th Doctor outfit but it will cost you over $1000 for it.

Then there's also the cheap, surely sweat shop made, versions you can obtain from Chinese sellers off Ebay.
::looks at 1000 dollars in bank account::

shit...

[Stressfactor]

Or you can just google "Doctor Who Cosplay". There are a lot of people out there making costumes of various Doctors and they seem all too willing to share their secrets.

In the end, really your best bet would probably find a pattern, adapt it slightly, get a near-match fabric and find someone who can sew....

Or just buy a regular black leather jacket, a pullover from J Crew, a pair of black jeans, and a pair of boots and bingo -- you've got the 9th Doctor. Out of all of them he's probably the easiest to costume.

[Alan Lynch]

http://www.magnoliclothiers.com/

Check them out and feel the pain in your wallet. They make the entire 10th Doctor outfit but it will cost you over $1000 for it.
Jesus, £500 for a charity shop outfit? The only thing I don't have lying around my wardrobe is the trenchcoat, and I reckon I could find one brand new for a fraction of that. Suit and Converse cost £20/$40 each. That website scares me.

[mattx110]

Jesus, £500 for a charity shop outfit? The only thing I don't have lying around my wardrobe is the trenchcoat, and I reckon I could find one brand new for a fraction of that. Suit and Converse cost £20/$40 each. That website scares me.
Well, people pay a lot of money for suits.

And coats can get realllly expensive if you're not careful. Even at cheap shops.

[king mob]

Jesus, £500 for a charity shop outfit? The only thing I don't have lying around my wardrobe is the trenchcoat, and I reckon I could find one brand new for a fraction of that. Suit and Converse cost £20/$40 each. That website scares me.

A leather jacket would cost about 50 quid from an Oxfam shop, the rest you can pick up for another 50 quid max & bingo, you have a ninth Doctor outfit.

A 10th Doctor outfit would cost a little bit more, mainly because that type of coat will cost the better part of 80-100 quid, even from a charity shop, but you'll be looking at 200 quid tops. 500 quid is taking the piss.

[Haydn C]

I'd watch Patrick Stewart in just about anything, so if they can get him on board for anything Who I'll be positively giddy.

He was just fantastic in Hamlet, it is the second time I have seen him in the past year or so on stage. He was great in the Tempest but in Hamlet he just knocked my socks off.

So I agree any part they could give him would be great.

[Stressfactor]

A leather jacket would cost about 50 quid from an Oxfam shop, the rest you can pick up for another 50 quid max & bingo, you have a ninth Doctor outfit.

A 10th Doctor outfit would cost a little bit more, mainly because that type of coat will cost the better part of 80-100 quid, even from a charity shop, but you'll be looking at 200 quid tops. 500 quid is taking the piss.

Oooorrrr for those in America. Hit the Outlet malls... particularly on seasonal clearance. For example, I was in a Wilson's Leather Outlet (which is discounted stuff to begin with) in the late Spring and they were trying to unload all of their Fall and Winter leather jackets and coats. I saw several men's Leather jackets that resembled the 9th Doctor's for about $75.

The nice thing about the 9th Doctor's coat is that if you live in places that have colder weather you can acutally WEAR the thing and nobody would even look twice.

[mattx110]

Oooorrrr for those in America. Hit the Outlet malls... particularly on seasonal clearance. For example, I was in a Wilson's Leather Outlet (which is discounted stuff to begin with) in the late Spring and they were trying to unload all of their Fall and Winter leather jackets and coats. I saw several men's Leather jackets that resembled the 9th Doctor's for about $75.

The nice thing about the 9th Doctor's coat is that if you live in places that have colder weather you can acutally WEAR the thing and nobody would even look twice.
I wear suits, ties, jackets, sneakers, blazers and glasses all day, and probably a bit too much hair wax and nobody seems to mind.

Not because of any Doctor, I've been deciding between and overcoat and a leather jacket for winter, and I think I'd rather have the leather jacket. Peacoat might make itselt an option, but leather'd probably be cheapest too.

[Alan Lynch]

I wear suits, ties, jackets, sneakers, blazers and glasses all day, and probably a bit too much hair wax and nobody seems to mind.
Ha. With the exception of the wax - I shave my head - that's more or less how I dress a lot of the time. I took a lot of stick when Tenant took over dressing exactly like me. The cheek of it.

[AlistairCrane]

Okay, with all you Great Britons raving about Morissey I want to check this guy out for myself. Is there anything he's been in that you can recomend that I can actually get my hands on here in America?




And.... In another note.... Over the weekend I broke down and actually purchased "Vengeance on Varos" as part of my ongoing efforts to have a complete Doctor Who DVD and CD library. Speaking as a confirmed 6th Doctor hater..... Um.... I actually LIKED this one! :eek:

It had some flaws but I think the message might even resonate better today than it did back in the 1980's and the writer on this one managed to keep the Peri-Doctor bickering to a minimum and that at the beginning. For the rest of the story Colin Baker was on a pretty even keel and, dare I say it... Doctorish.

Waitaminute...Morrissey?! From the Smiths Morrissey!?!

[AlistairCrane]

I'm watching the fourth series as it airs in Canada (episode 4 airs tomorrow).

I hate Catherine Tate with a passion, which makes me unable to like this season. I connect with the Companion character much more so than the Doctor, but Donna Noble is just so damn annoying and an awful character that there's a huge disconnect this season. I try to mostly focus on the Doctor now, but it's not enough.

Also, I am so, so tempted to look at spoilers. I am beyong excited for the return of Billie Piper--Rose's cameo in "Partners in Crime" whetted my appetite for more...and I want more now!!! *says in a pouty childlike voice*

Fortunately, Martha's return should tide me over. I know she's on for a three-episode arc and then returns for the final episode or two..but dammit, I WANT ROSE!!! NOW!!!

[Doodle Bob]

Waitaminute...Morrissey?! From the Smiths Morrissey!?!

No, different Morrissey.

[Shades0077]

Thanks for the link Adam. I agree though, that's a little too much pain for my wallet. Still, it's got a pretty good image of it. I'm thinking of hunting through thrift stores/Goodwill to see what I can find.

[Captain Jim]

I hate Catherine Tate with a passion, which makes me unable to like this season.

Try to keep an open mind. Many viewers (myself included) felt the character improved over the course of the season.

[AlistairCrane]

Try to keep an open mind. Many viewers (myself included) felt the character improved over the course of the season.

I can't stand the way she looks, I can't stand her voice, I can't stand anything about her!! She's also old.

[Stressfactor]

She's also old.

[Tate voice] OI! Watch it![/Tate voice]

You won't be young forever yourself bub!

Since I've passed the 35 mark I'm getting a little sick of TV being overrun with pretty boys and girls. I LIKED that Tate was pushing 40 filming this.... I'm even more impressed with 59 year old Elisabeth Sladen in the season ender here.

[AlistairCrane]

[Tate voice] OI! Watch it![/Tate voice]

You won't be young forever yourself bub!

Since I've passed the 35 mark I'm getting a little sick of TV being overrun with pretty boys and girls. I LIKED that Tate was pushing 40 filming this.... I'm even more impressed with 59 year old Elisabeth Sladen in the season ender here.

It's just a stark contrast from the young, youthful Rose and Martha.

[thehod]

It's just a stark contrast from the young, youthful Rose and Martha.

And therefore, to my mind, a refreshing change,

[Zero Hunter]

I loved Donna Noble. Such a refreshing change from Rose and Martha and their fawning over the Doctor all the time. I loved the fact that she had no interest in him in that way at all.

[AlistairCrane]

I loved Donna Noble. Such a refreshing change from Rose and Martha and their fawning over the Doctor all the time. I loved the fact that she had no interest in him in that way at all.

Wow, you liked that?

....


Are we even watching the same show?

[AlistairCrane]

And therefore, to my mind, a refreshing change,

In your mind. Certainly not mine. Donna Noble is a cow. Give me Rose and Martha any day!!

[Sanagi]

Donna's my favorite of the three. I don't think I realized it until Rose came back and I was kind of "meh." They better bring Donna back some day, because her story needs closure a lot more than Rose's did.

[AlistairCrane]

Donna's my favorite of the three. I don't think I realized it until Rose came back and I was kind of "meh." They better bring Donna back some day, because her story needs closure a lot more than Rose's did.

Donna adds nothing to the show. She's the least interesting, least charismatic, and least attractive companion ever.

Billie and David had great chemistry, and David and Freema had great chemistry, but David and Catherine have jack shit.

[Sanagi]

Donna adds nothing to the show. She's the least interesting, least charismatic, and least attractive companion ever.

Billie and David had great chemistry, and David and Freema had great chemistry, but David and Catherine have jack shit.
I may be jumping to conclusions, but I'm getting the impression that you don't like Donna.

Ps. Mel.

[thehod]

Donna adds nothing to the show. She's the least interesting, least charismatic, and least attractive companion ever.

Billie and David had great chemistry, and David and Freema had great chemistry, but David and Catherine have jack shit.

That may be your opinion, but its far from the majority viewpoint on Tate's tenure on the show which was generally considered to be one of the major highpoints of the series, and showed the viewing public the depth of her acting talent.

[AlistairCrane]

That may be your opinion, but its far from the majority viewpoint on Tate's tenure on the show which was generally considered to be one of the major highpoints of the series, and showed the viewing public the depth of her acting talent.

I'm not really sure who you are to speak on behalf of the "majority viewpoint".

[AlistairCrane]

I may be jumping to conclusions, but I'm getting the impression that you don't like Donna.

Ps. Mel.

Oh, I hate Donna. Whenever she's on screen, I have to look away. If she's in the same shot as the Doctor or someone else, I always look at them. I cannot stand her--I've hated her from the moment she ruined the ending of "Doomsday".

[Stressfactor]

I'm not really sure who you are to speak on behalf of the "majority viewpoint".

Um... You might want to go back several pages on this thread where you will see several people who HATED Catherine Tate and spent the months up to the start of Series Four screaming to the scies about how she was going to RUIN the series turn around and by the end actually LIKE her and praise her role. Heck -- ask King Mob who is one of the show's harshest critics on this thread and while he didn't LOVE Tate, even he had to admit she turned in some good performances and wasn't half-bad overall -- which, coming from him, is high praise indeed.

AND if you want off-board examples -- the snarky guys over at Behind the Sofa were also dyed in the wool Tate haters and even THEY admitted that she and Tennant had great onscreen chemistry. http://www.behindthesofa.org.uk/

So yeah, the people here are not alone.

[AlistairCrane]

Um... You might want to go back several pages on this thread where you will see several people who HATED Catherine Tate and spent the months up to the start of Series Four screaming to the scies about how she was going to RUIN the series turn around and by the end actually LIKE her and praise her role. Heck -- ask King Mob who is one of the show's harshest critics on this thread and while he didn't LOVE Tate, even he had to admit she turned in some good performances and wasn't half-bad overall -- which, coming from him, is high praise indeed.

AND if you want off-board examples -- the snarky guys over at Behind the Sofa were also dyed in the wool Tate haters and even THEY admitted that she and Tennant had great onscreen chemistry. http://www.behindthesofa.org.uk/

So yeah, the people here are not alone.

I'm not concerned about everyone else. I'll never like her for taking the place of Rose and Martha. And I'll always resent her squawking ass for showing up and tainting the ending of "Doomsday".

[thehod]

I'm not really sure who you are to speak on behalf of the "majority viewpoint".

I'm not speaking for the majority viewpoint, but repeating comments I've read both online and in print from viewers and reviewers both professional and amatuer.

The consensus was that, whilst the anticipation for Tate's tenure was low, she actually exceeded expectations both in how her character was presented and the level of her acting ability.

You don't like her, I get that, but that doesn't change the fact that a distinct number of people did like the character and her story throughout series 4.

[Stressfactor]

I'm not concerned about everyone else. I'll never like her for taking the place of Rose and Martha. And I'll always resent her squawking ass for showing up and tainting the ending of "Doomsday".

Then don't say stuff about thehod speaking on behalf of the majority viewpoint. That's all.

YOU don't like Tate. YOU have a problem with Tate. There may be others out there who share your viewpoint but don't assume that those who liked her are in the minority either.

Cool, yeah?

[AlistairCrane]

Then don't say stuff about thehod speaking on behalf of the majority viewpoint. That's all.

YOU don't like Tate. YOU have a problem with Tate. There may be others out there who share your viewpoint but don't assume that those who liked her are in the minority either.

Cool, yeah?

Nope. If you don't hate her too, well then that speaks volumes about you.

[thehod]

Nope. If you don't hate her too, well then that speaks volumes about you.

Yes, it shows he's not arrogant enough to think his opinion is the only one that has any validity.

[Stressfactor]

Yes, it shows he's not arrogant enough to think his opinion is the only one that has any validity.

Just for the record... I'm a 'she', not a 'he'. No biggie, I know, it's the internet, no one can tell.... :biggrin:

[thehod]

Just for the record... I'm a 'she', not a 'he'. No biggie, I know, it's the internet, no one can tell.... :biggrin:

I stand corrected... and a little embarressed. sorry

[Toonimator]

Nope. If you don't hate her too, well then that speaks volumes about you.
Nice attitude. I didn't catch ALL her episodes, and had never heard of the actress before the show, but by the time she 'died' in Journey's End I felt like I'd been punched in the gut. I liked Rose a lot, and really enjoyed Martha in the few eps I've seen with her, but Donna was great as well. She was a non-romantic companion, but also a nice match for the Doctor as a partner. I really enjoyed their exchanges.

[Stressfactor]

I stand corrected... and a little embarressed. sorry

Like I said -- no big deal, no problem, and no need to be embarrassed. :biggrin:

[AlistairCrane]

Nice attitude. I didn't catch ALL her episodes, and had never heard of the actress before the show, but by the time she 'died' in Journey's End I felt like I'd been punched in the gut. I liked Rose a lot, and really enjoyed Martha in the few eps I've seen with her, but Donna was great as well. She was a non-romantic companion, but also a nice match for the Doctor as a partner. I really enjoyed their exchanges.

Well, thanks for ruining the ending. I'm only on episode four. At least I have something to look forward to....

[Deathstroke]

You know Alistair, from one who has on occasion made an ass of himself on the CBR boards, you really are coming off quite badly here.

[Deathstroke]

By the way board people, just found out today that Peter Davison is going to be a guest at the con I'm going to in November!

Whoo Hoo!

[Toonimator]

Well, thanks for ruining the ending. I'm only on episode four. At least I have something to look forward to....
For someone bitching about Donna so much--and posting in a spoilers thread long after the season aired--I could hardly be blamed for thinking you'd watched the entire season.

[AlistairCrane]

For someone bitching about Donna so much--and posting in a spoilers thread long after the season aired--I could hardly be blamed for thinking you'd watched the entire season.

The season has only just started here in Canada. Get with it.

[Stressfactor]

And you will note that the thread is clearly labeled "Spoilers". When the show began airing in America three weeks after it was airing in Great Britian the American contingent broke off and created a separate, Spoiler Free thread and then decamped off of THIS thread until the season ended. Maybe you should consider the same for the Canadian contingent if you don't want spoilers and stay out of this thread until the series is over in Canada.

[Captain Jim]

The season has only just started here in Canada.

But it doesn't seem like that's stopped you from making up your mind about her already. :rolleyes:

[Toonimator]

The season has only just started here in Canada. Get with it.
Oh, I'm sorry, I missed the giant "LOCATION: CANADA" tag under your name there. How silly of me.

Oh wait...

[Shades0077]

I really disliked Donna during The Runaway Bride. Her abrasive, always yelling personality really didn't do it for me. I was pretty disappointed when it was announced she was going to be the companion in Series Four. A whole season of "Oi!'s"? No thanks.

But from the first episode my opinion started to change to the positive. She really did a decent job. Sure there was the lame "we're not together" running gag, but I think she was great in the finale, and pretty good throughout the rest of the season.

There are more important things to a character than being eye candy.

[Wolf-Man]

Add me to the list of people who can't stand Donna. Terrible 'actress'. Just terrible.

[marshal99]

Not a fan of Donna , as i have said before in the past on this thread. Just found her annoying.

Well, thanks for ruining the ending. I'm only on episode four. At least I have something to look forward to....

Well actually no , her character did not die so you'll see more of her. :wink:

"Oooiiiii"

Rose will die though .......`








just kidding. :biggrin:

[AlistairCrane]

But it doesn't seem like that's stopped you from making up your mind about her already. :rolleyes:

Duh, she sucked in The Runaway Bride, and she sucked now. Donna=sucked then=sucked now.

She's a third-rate Rose reject and an old farthead at that.

[AlistairCrane]

There are more important things to a character than being eye candy.

That's a very heteronormative assumption. Rose and Martha weren't eye candy to me---they were well-rounded characters: funny, smart, and strong. They added a lot to the show, and as I said previously, they were what anchored me to the Doctor.

Donna is none of those things.

[marshal99]

Okay , okay , i know you don't like donna's character (i don't either) but take a chill pill , relax. Don't need to get so agitated about a TV character.:smile:
A single doctor who season is only 13 episodes , you are already 4 episodes in , just think of it as another 9 more episodes to go , not really a long way to go. :wink:

[thehod]

She's a third-rate Rose reject and an old farthead at that.
In what possible way is she a "Rose reject"? The characters are meant to be totally different. Rose was infatuated with the Doctor, That was the main reason she travelled with him. Donna is infatuated with the adventure and has no interest in the Doctor in a romantic fashion whatsoever.

If you were expecting a replacement for Rose you're bound to be disapointed, because that isn't Donna's role at all. Lift yourself from this assumption and you may be able to begin to enjoy a character that, for me, had much more depth that Rose ever did.

As for your comments over her age, I'm struggling to understand. Tate is 40. Tennant is 37. Why do you think its acceptable for the male actor to be in this age range, but not the female? To use your own idiom, that speaks volumes about you.

I understand that you don't like Donna, but your reasoning so far is that she isn't Martha or Rose and that you, for some reason, consider her too old to be a companion. Do you have a reason for your dislike beyond these two factors?

You don't like Donna. Now tell us why, without coming off like a petulant teenager who hasn't got his way.

[Doodle Bob]

You don't like Donna. Now tell us why, without coming off like a petulant teenager who hasn't got his way.

Oh, good lord, please don't encourage this person to describe anymore his dislike of this character. We all now know that alistair does not like Donna, whoopee... Could we leave it at that?

I am much more interested in news/gossip. King Mob (and others) always seem to be providing the good stuff that I keep coming back to this thread to read about.

For example, are there any more rumors/stories yet regarding the next doctor? Is Tennant actually returning for a 4th season or not? Was this Jennifer Saunders as the Doctor rumor just a bizarre rumor? What about this story about a Doctor Who film in between the 3rd and 4th seasons?

Inquiring Doctor Who Minds (who are stuck in the States) want to know!

[ZT4]

She's a third-rate Rose reject and an old farthead at that.

Donna was nothing like Rose.

The great thing about "Tate Hate" is half the reasons are made up:rolleyes:

And, pal, Rose was never anything special either, except to diseased fangirls who have never watched the show in their life previously.

[Mermaid]

Blimey! Who'd have thought a Doctor Who thread could get so heated! :eek: :tongue:

oh and jsut so you know....not a huge Donna fan myself, although by around the middle of the series she'd grown on me enough not to grit my teeth everytime she spoke.
The last one drove me INSANE though when she had to sound like the Doctor.

I think another problem for me was i've seen the Katherine Tate show and I couldn't stand that show, terrible catchphrases and just not funny basically. so that put me off before it had even begun.

[Stressfactor]

Look, AlistairCrane is basically trolling here and we all know what to do about trolls -- DON'T FEED THEM!

Not everyone is expected to agree or disagree on the merits of companions (For example, I think Adric was a portrait of suckitude and there is NOTHING Catherine Tate as Donna could have done that would have made her WORSE and more annoying than Adric BUT I will acknowledge that even that character has his fans and they are entitled to their opinions).

Actually, the REAL question is.... Who's going to fess up to watching the new season of "The Sarah Jane Adventures" now that it's started in Great Britian?

I'll admit I checked out the first story through an internet resource and thought that it didn't hold up as well as some of the stories from last year. Last year many of the stories, particularly the last few, really seemed like what we in America would consider "family viewing" rather than "Kiddie Fare" but this year's opening story seemed a lot more "Kiddie Fare".

Nevertheless, I'll be keeping my eyes open since there are still rumors of a Doctor cameo later on in the series and, of course, the return of the Brigadier!

[king mob]

Um... You might want to go back several pages on this thread where you will see several people who HATED Catherine Tate and spent the months up to the start of Series Four screaming to the scies about how she was going to RUIN the series turn around and by the end actually LIKE her and praise her role. Heck -- ask King Mob who is one of the show's harshest critics on this thread and while he didn't LOVE Tate, even he had to admit she turned in some good performances and wasn't half-bad overall -- which, coming from him, is high praise indeed.

Tate was passable & did manage to turn out some reasonable performances but it was RTD pulling off a bit of stunt casting, but I think we've done Tate to death on this thread.

[king mob]

Actually, the REAL question is.... Who's going to fess up to watching the new season of "The Sarah Jane Adventures" now that it's started in Great Britian?

Yup.

I'll admit I checked out the first story through an internet resource and thought that it didn't hold up as well as some of the stories from last year. Last year many of the stories, particularly the last few, really seemed like what we in America would consider "family viewing" rather than "Kiddie Fare" but this year's opening story seemed a lot more "Kiddie Fare".

It's very much kids telly but it's a standard of kids telly that's sadly dying thanks to channels failing to invest in good childrens television.

Nevertheless, I'll be keeping my eyes open since there are still rumors of a Doctor cameo later on in the series and, of course, the return of the Brigadier!

The Tennant cameo is one of those rumours that isn't going away.

[ChrisIII]

Doodle Bob, right now it seems that Tennant will be staying, although there will be a new producer next year (Stephen Moffat who wrote most of the acclaimed episodes). There are of course many rumors regarding Tennant's replacement but it looks like he is staying put. A Doctor Who film has been hinted at for a while, but no official word on it, really; there will be a series of specials next year as the program goes on hiatus....


As for Jennifer Saunders, she never played the Doctor and probably won't, but Joanna Lumley, her Abfab co-star, did play an incarnation of the Doctor in the charity spoof Curse of Fatal Death (Written by Stephen Moffat, interestingly enough). Arabella Weir also played a female Doctor for the Unbound series of licensed audio dramas (Unbound is pretty much the Doctor Who equavilent of What if/Elseworlds/Infinities etc.)....


Other news is that Patrick Stewart is considering a role. Online rumor stated he would be the Meddling Monk (A villainous time lord but nowhere in the same league as the Master) but those rumors have recently been revealed as false.

[Doodle Bob]

Ah, yes... That's the stuff...

Thanks, ChrisIII, I needed that.

[AlistairCrane]

Donna was nothing like Rose.

The great thing about "Tate Hate" is half the reasons are made up:rolleyes:

And, pal, Rose was never anything special either, except to diseased fangirls who have never watched the show in their life previously.

Before you start making sweeping generalizations, I had indeed grown up watching the original Doctor Who, and Rose is by far the best companion ever.

[AlistairCrane]

In what possible way is she a "Rose reject"? The characters are meant to be totally different. Rose was infatuated with the Doctor, That was the main reason she travelled with him. Donna is infatuated with the adventure and has no interest in the Doctor in a romantic fashion whatsoever.

If you were expecting a replacement for Rose you're bound to be disapointed, because that isn't Donna's role at all. Lift yourself from this assumption and you may be able to begin to enjoy a character that, for me, had much more depth that Rose ever did.



You're coming off as a fool. I DO NOT want a Rose "replacement". Rose was so special that a replacement would just come off as phony. Martha wasn't a replacement, and that's what made her special too. But Donna is a lame, ugly gimp whose presence on the show adds nothing, and in fact takes away from the Doctor's dynamic. Donna could never replace Rose because she's a horrible character, and no one should or could ever replace Rose anyway because she was too good to be repalced.

[thehod]

You're coming off as a fool. I DO NOT want a Rose "replacement". Rose was so special that a replacement would just come off as phony. Martha wasn't a replacement, and that's what made her special too. But Donna is a lame, ugly gimp whose presence on the show adds nothing, and in fact takes away from the Doctor's dynamic. Donna could never replace Rose because she's a horrible character, and no one should or could ever replace Rose anyway because she was too good to be repalced.

Suuuuure. I'm the one coming off as a fool.

And with that, my participation in this part of the thread comes to a close. I'd rather discuss the series with people who actually want to discuss things.

I've never actually listened to any of the audio dramas before, but this little litbit from Outpost Gallifrey my change all that....

You thought new Doctor Who in the UK was over till Christmas, right? BBC7 and Big Finish are out to prove you wrong. Paul McGann returns as The 8th Doctor and Sheridan Smith returns as Lucy Miller in eight 50 minute full cast radio episodes - Sundays at 6PM and Midnight UK Time starting 19 October.

Can you get BB7 online?

[Haydn C]

I've never actually listened to any of the audio dramas before, but this little litbit from Outpost Gallifrey my change all that....



Can you get BB7 online?

Yes you can. It is good, there is all sorts of stuff on it both old and new, it is well worth checking out.

[AlistairCrane]

Suuuuure. I'm the one coming off as a fool.

And with that, my participation in this part of the thread comes to a close. I'd rather discuss the series with people who actually want to discuss things.




We are having a discussion, boy. We're discussing the merits of Rose and Martha versus Donna.

[Zero Hunter]

We are having a discussion, boy. We're discussing the merits of Rose and Martha versus Donna.


No your rattaling on like a crazed fanboy and the rest of us are laughing at you.

[AlistairCrane]

No your rattaling on like a crazed fanboy and the rest of us are laughing at you.

I'm just a more devoted fan than the rest of you.

[Donald M.]

Two possibilities:

Alistair is being serious and that's truly sad.

Alistair is not being serious and that's truly hilarious.

Either way, I've been amused. Have fun feeding the troll, guys.

[Stressfactor]

Not me. I've fed too many trolls over the years. A week ago I put my first person on my ignore list... I'm thinking about adding a second now.

At any rate.... in response to King Mob -- if you think British telly is a childhood wasteland you should see AMERICAN children's TV. Once you get past the educational pre-school and kindergarten stuff it's nearly all badly dubbed and cut up Japanese anime imports. Heck, even "family viewing" has largely gone out the window!

When I babysit my nephew a lot of times we go rent a movie to enjoy together simply because there's nothing on regular TV that he can enjoy without it driving me up a tree or I can enjoy without it being too 'adult' for him.

I've been debating introducing him to the SJA stuff but I am a little worried that the "Britishness" of it might turn him off. I've been a bit of an Anglophile since I was a teenager so that sort of thing doesn't bother me but for a nine year old kid who's only had "the American Experience"?.... I dunno.

[AlistairCrane]

Two possibilities:

Alistair is being serious and that's truly sad.

Alistair is not being serious and that's truly hilarious.

Either way, I've been amused. Have fun feeding the troll, guys.

I'm not a troll. Look at my post count and my posting history. I'm a tried-and-true member of the CBR forums, and I don't appreciate being patronized.

[Donald M.]

I'm not a troll.

You sure are acting like one in this thread.

I don't appreciate being patronized.

Then conduct yourself in a manner deserving of respect.

[ZT4]

I've been a bit of an Anglophile since I was a teenager so that sort of thing doesn't bother me but for a nine year old kid who's only had "the American Experience"?.... I dunno.

It's a good risk. Just tell him British girls are very nice...even if sometimes there pregnant by his age...[/bad taste joke]

[Stressfactor]

I'm not a troll. Look at my post count and my posting history. I'm a tried-and-true member of the CBR forums, and I don't appreciate being patronized.

Post count is not indicative of whether one is a troll or not. I've known people who posted over on YABS for years -- they're still trolls when it comes to certain subjects.

[king mob]

I'm just a more devoted fan than the rest of you.

Listen, seriously stop being a cock, step away & look at the bollocks you've typed there.

This thread is one of the nicer, smarter threads on this forum & on the whole we have had the sort of debate & chat about Who one rarely gets on the internet, & certainly not on places like Outpost Gallifrey, which is where I'm used to seeing the sort of rubbish you've posted.

I've been watching the programme since at least 1971. Does that make me more 'devoted' than anyone else? No, of course not, it means I'm an old bastard who still loves a kids telly show & the same goes for you I assume.

So basically stop it, add something to the discussion or you'll just end up being reported to Stony or Justin & they'll bollock or ban you. Your choice.

[king mob]

At any rate.... in response to King Mob -- if you think British telly is a childhood wasteland you should see AMERICAN children's TV. Once you get past the educational pre-school and kindergarten stuff it's nearly all badly dubbed and cut up Japanese anime imports. Heck, even "family viewing" has largely gone out the window!

Part of the problem now that ITV, Channel 4 & Five have stopped making homegrown kids telly is the reliance upon US & Aussie imports. For every programme that's good there's 10 that just the type of rubbish you describe.

I've been debating introducing him to the SJA stuff but I am a little worried that the "Britishness" of it might turn him off. I've been a bit of an Anglophile since I was a teenager so that sort of thing doesn't bother me but for a nine year old kid who's only had "the American Experience"?.... I dunno.

Most 9 year olds in the UK have been exposed to American culture from an early age so it only seems fair to see it reversed.

[Stressfactor]

I could just seem him really loving all the aliens... they're creepy but in a good way. :biggrin:

[AlistairCrane]

Listen, seriously stop being a cock, step away & look at the bollocks you've typed there.

This thread is one of the nicer, smarter threads on this forum & on the whole we have had the sort of debate & chat about Who one rarely gets on the internet, & certainly not on places like Outpost Gallifrey, which is where I'm used to seeing the sort of rubbish you've posted.

I've been watching the programme since at least 1971. Does that make me more 'devoted' than anyone else? No, of course not, it means I'm an old bastard who still loves a kids telly show & the same goes for you I assume.

So basically stop it, add something to the discussion or you'll just end up being reported to Stony or Justin & they'll bollock or ban you. Your choice.

I don't even know what bollock means.

[thehod]

I don't even know what bollock means.

Bollock is a wonderfully descriptive 18th century English word that orginally meant testicles.

Its use in the English language, specfically British slang, is many and varied. For example, describing something as "The Dogs Bollocks" means that something is particularly good.

"Oh! you are a great deal too apt, you know, to like people in general. You never see a fault in anybody. All the world are good and agreeable in your eyes. I never heard you speak ill of a human being in your life. You think everyone is the dog's bollocks."
Jane Austen's Pride & Prejudice.

Other uses of the word are shown in mob's post above.

To give someone a bollocking is to chastise them.

To say someone is talking bollocks means that they've been spouting a great multitude of incoherent nonsense that generally makes them look like a tit.

What mob is saying is that if you continue to do the latter, you'll get the former.



Its always rewarding to bring some education into anothers life.

[rick]

Before you start making sweeping generalizations, I had indeed grown up watching the original Doctor Who, and Rose is by far the best companion ever.


I think that I'll just pop in here as another 30+ year Doctor Who fan and say that you are absolutly correct.

Rose is certainly my all time favorite companion.

But I also need to add that Donna is right up there with her.

[rick]

Most 9 year olds in the UK have been exposed to American culture from an early age so it only seems fair to see it reversed.


One of my great joys in recent years has been watching episodes of Doctor Who and the Sarah Jane Adventures with my 7 year old grandaughter.

Although of course I think we will wait a few years before I watch Torchwood with her. :wink:

[thehod]

I think that I'll just pop in here as another 30+ year Doctor Who fan and say that you are absolutly correct.

Rose is certainly my all time favorite companion.

But I also need to add that Donna is right up there with her.

For some reason, and its nothing that I've been able to brilliantly articulate, my favourite companion has been Martha.

Maybe its because Freema Agyeman is such a joy to watch, and maybe its because the third series has been my favourite so far, with some episodes being the best TV I've seen in years. Maybe its the unrequented love thing, which, I must admit, I'm a sucker for.

Sure I liked Rose, but I liked her less as her tenure wore on. She became cocky, jealous and, to me, less intellegent as time went on. Her departure was pitched perfectly though, leaving me with better memories of her than I'd thought I'd have.

I liked Donna as well, especially as a different sort of companion than we've been used to in the New Who series, and Catherine Tate acted her ample arse off.

But Martha, for me, was something special.

As for future companions, its high time there was a regular bloke travelling with the Doctor, but I'd also like to see a historical, rather than a contemporary companion.

[rick]

As for future companions, its high time there was a regular bloke travelling with the Doctor, but I'd also like to see a historical, rather than a contemporary companion.


Honestly, I just don't see that happening in the new series.

They really seem to like that male/female dramatic tension too much to have the Doctor team with another Jamie.

[thehod]

Honestly, I just don't see that happening in the new series.

They really seem to like that male/female dramatic tension too much to have the Doctor team with another Jamie.

Yeah, I happen to think that too. I'd still like to see it though.

And they don't necasarily have to be one and the same. I always enjoyed the Fifth Doctor adventures when he had multiple companions, so a guy from a contemporary setting and a 16th century baron's daughter, for example, might still fly in the new series.

Doubtful, I know, but with Moffat holding the reigns, you never know.

[Stressfactor]

Speaking of Jamie... now you're talking MY favorite companion. Jamie was adorable... plus, a guy with the legs to pull off a kilt? Very rare...:biggrin: But I think the biggest thing was what Hines and Troughton put on the screen was a lot like what Tate and Tennant put on the screen -- a believable friendship. You could watch both teams and really believe that these people were best friends.

Plus, Jamie knew how to put a pin in the Doctor's ego when it got overinflated as well.

Put me in the same camp as those who would like to see a slightly larger companion cast with a male added to the mix. I'd also like to see a companion come from the past or else I'd like to see a truly alien companion for a change. All of the Doctor's previous alien companions were indestinguishable from humans and I'd like to see him deal with some adventures with a companion who looks decidedly NOT human for a change.

[Dark_Master]

I finally managed to see "An Unearthly Child" (finding classic Who episodes here is way too hard :frown: ) and it held up much better than I thought it would, but it did leave me with a few questions:
The Doctor was almost a secondary character. I mean, he spent most of the serial complaining about how annoying Ian and Barbara were instead of actually doing anything useful while Ian did pretty much everything to save them. Was that a normal thing during the 1st Doctor years which changed with subsequent Doctors or something that only happened in that episode?
Was it ever explained what the Doctor was doing in a junkyard London during the 60s? I got that he was trying to repair the TARDIS (or at least parts of it) but wasn't very clear on that
Good lord, Susan was annoying. I wanted the cavemen to kill her every time she said something (yeah, that's not a question, I just really didn't like her :tongue: )

[Stressfactor]

I finally managed to see "An Unearthly Child" (finding classic Who episodes here is way too hard :frown: ) and it held up much better than I thought it would, but it did leave me with a few questions:
The Doctor was almost a secondary character. I mean, he spent most of the serial complaining about how annoying Ian and Barbara were instead of actually doing anything useful while Ian did pretty much everything to save them. Was that a normal thing during the 1st Doctor years which changed with subsequent Doctors or something that only happened in that episode?
Was it ever explained what the Doctor was doing in a junkyard London during the 60s? I got that he was trying to repair the TARDIS (or at least parts of it) but wasn't very clear on that
Good lord, Susan was annoying. I wanted the cavemen to kill her every time she said something (yeah, that's not a question, I just really didn't like her :tongue: )

For the first episode the idea was to rather make the Doctor mysterious and slightly sinister. You'll notice that up until about "Marco Polo" the Doctor has a ruthless and rather mean streak in him. Although "Edge of Destruction" is deeply flawed I think a lot of people might be surprised about how cold and dark the Doctor is toward his human companions -- he's ready to toss them off the TARDIS no matter if the environmnet outside is hostile or not.

You will find over time that the Doctor becomes a lot less of a cypher and takes a more active role. Check out "The Aztecs" for some early examples of the Doctor being a bit more... Doctor-y.

Keep in mind as well that Hartnell was in his mid-50's but looked a bit older at least so characters like Ian and Steven were thrown in to be able to handle the action sequences. Starting with Jon Pertwee that really stopped being the case since Pertwee was all for handling the action sequences himself (well, or his stunt double :biggrin: ).

[Dark_Master]

Keep in mind as well that Hartnell was in his mid-50's but looked a bit older at least so characters like Ian and Steven were thrown in to be able to handle the action sequences. I wasn't really expecting him to be doing a lot of physical stuff. The fact that he didn't do much at all was what surprised me

[ChrisIII]

Hartnell also doesn't show up in some episodes (The Time Meddler and Celestial Toymaker being notable examples) due to illness, vacation or some other thing. This actually happened with Troughton a few times too, but as mentioned above starting with Pertwee the Doctor was pretty much required to appear in all episodes (Although the new series has certainly had Doctor-lite stories).


Interestingly, the original plan for the Fourth Doctor was to have an older, Hartnell like character while Harry Sullivan would handle the action. That's why Harry is in the first Baker season. However Tom Baker got cast and Harry's role was kind of redundant, so he was written out in the next season. (Ian Marter though continued to contribute to WHO novels and stuff until his untimely death in the 80s).

Interestingly one of the main complaints fans had about the Eccleston season is that the Doctor often got bailed out by Rose. However this seems to have changed with Tennant.

BTW the rumor that one of the specials will be a multi-doctor story is starting to circulate again.

[Stressfactor]

Hartnell also doesn't show up in some episodes (The Time Meddler and Celestial Toymaker being notable examples) due to illness, vacation or some other thing. This actually happened with Troughton a few times too, but as mentioned above starting with Pertwee the Doctor was pretty much required to appear in all episodes (Although the new series has certainly had Doctor-lite stories).


Interestingly, the original plan for the Fourth Doctor was to have an older, Hartnell like character while Harry Sullivan would handle the action. That's why Harry is in the first Baker season. However Tom Baker got cast and Harry's role was kind of redundant, so he was written out in the next season. (Ian Marter though continued to contribute to WHO novels and stuff until his untimely death in the 80s).

Interestingly one of the main complaints fans had about the Eccleston season is that the Doctor often got bailed out by Rose. However this seems to have changed with Tennant.

BTW the rumor that one of the specials will be a multi-doctor story is starting to circulate again.

Actually, Troughton really wasn't off because of illness. He, Hines and Padbury got sick of the punishing filming schedule and demanded more time off or they would strike. The Producers caved and so there was a round-robin where every few weeks each actor got to take an installment off. Troughton didn't get any time off during "The Invasion" since he pretty much had to carry the story but Wendy Padbury had episode three off and Hines had episode eight off -- the two sequences he is in were actually filmed before his time off. You can clearly see this in many of the stories -- the writers often wrote the Doctor or the comapnions out for certain installments because it was the actor's week off.

Troughton continued to lobby for a less grueling schedule and, for Jon Pertwee's era is was finally granted -- that's why the characters don't take as much time off -- they had a shorter season. It's also why, even though Pertwee spent more YEARS on the show than Hartnell did he completed fewer EPISODES than Hartnell.

And, while Harry's role ended up being redundant, Producer Philip Hinchcliffe has said that, in hindsight, he considered it a mistake to let Marter go. He has said that the character of Harry Sullivan really was very popular among fans. Originally, "Mawdryn Undead" had been written for William Russell's character of Ian Chesterton but Russell was busy and couldn't film the story so they proposed re-writing it for Ian Marter's character of Harry Sullivan but he was busy as well!

As for how much the Doctor DID in those early episodes... Once again, keep in mind, they were still making the character up as they went along. As the stories got more and more sci-fi in nature the Doctor took a more active role in having to explain things to his 20th century companions.

Hartnell's Doctor actually gets to do a lot in the sadly missing story "Reign of Terror" and he does quite a bit in "The Romans" as well. He plays court politics rather nicely too in "The Crusade" -- which is partly missing.

[thehod]

BTW the rumor that one of the specials will be a multi-doctor story is starting to circulate again.

I was listening to a podcast with Paul Cornell (writer of Human Nature and Family of Blood) a while back (available here (http://www.thecomicforums.com/forum2//index.php?showtopic=138254&st=0) if anyone fancies a listen. It is really rather good.) where he rubbishes the idea of multi-doctor stories.

His take on it is that after Time Crash a multi-doctor story is really rather redundant.

I, personally, disagree. I love multi-doctor stories, not for the crisis that they usually require, but being able to see how the individual doctors interact with themselves. I think that's worth a few stories myself.

There's a web comic called The Ten Doctors (http://comics.shipsinker.com/category/dr-who/) that, for the first few pages at least, had me grinning like a lovesick schoolboy over all the ten different doctors meeting.

[rick]

There's a web comic called The Ten Doctors (http://comics.shipsinker.com/category/dr-who/) that, for the first few pages at least, had me grinning like a lovesick schoolboy over all the ten different doctors meeting.


The Ten Doctors (http://comics.shipsinker.com/2007/03/10/a-doctor-who-comic-the-10-doctors/) is a real treat for both Who and comic fans.

I am a huge fan and although it does tend to bog down a bit from adding every Who character ever to it, I think that so far it has been great fun and best of all has had just about perfect characterization of everyone in it.

I recommend it highly.

[thehod]

"I'm number One. Over here."

pause

"Oh well, If you're going to go by chronology instead of importance or charm... I'm fourth."



Bwah-ha-ha-ha.

[Deathstroke]

I'll have to check out the webcomic link when I get home.

[Alan Lynch]

I'll have to check out the webcomic link when I get home.
Same here. Although strangely I can actually access it in work. Might be a good way to spend my lunch tomorrow.

[Stressfactor]

Rich has got a pretty big "Doctor Who" rumor up on this week's "Lying in the Gutters". Outpost Gallifrey to explode in.. 5...4...3...2...1?

[Zero Hunter]

It is a really fun webcomic, and you can tell he has alot of knowledge about the Doctor Who universe.

As for a multi-Doctor stroy I would love it. Seeing Peter Davidson in the Timecrash minisode was such a fun thing. I would love to see the Paul McGann doctor on the show proper at least once.

[thehod]

Rich has got a pretty big "Doctor Who" rumor up on this week's "Lying in the Gutters". Outpost Gallifrey to explode in.. 5...4...3...2...1?

Rich can be a little hit and miss with his stuff, but if its true, there's going to be a big black smoking hole where OG used to be.

[mattx110]

Rich can be a little hit and miss with his stuff, but if its true, there's going to be a big black smoking hole where OG used to be.
He puts together rumors. Of course it's hit and miss. But the man is a pretty good actor.


Poor Jim Nesbitt though.

[king mob]

Rich has got a pretty big "Doctor Who" rumor up on this week's "Lying in the Gutters". Outpost Gallifrey to explode in.. 5...4...3...2...1?

If true it's a truely brilliant choice not only because Joseph is one of our great young actors, but because he's Johnson from Peep Show & that's good enough for me. However I'm scared to look at OG as they'll be bloody volcanic at the idea of casting a black man as the Doctor.

[Captain Jim]

I almost missed the fact that this rumor pertains to the sixth series (2011). I don't mind if Tennet leaves after the fifth season, but I really do hope he stays for the fifth.

[Stressfactor]

If true it's a truely brilliant choice not only because Joseph is one of our great young actors, but because he's Johnson from Peep Show & that's good enough for me. However I'm scared to look at OG as they'll be bloody volcanic at the idea of casting a black man as the Doctor.

He's not that young... According to IMDB he's about 44 now... Of course that means he still fits in with something Moffatt was reported to have said years ago -- that he doesn't think the Doctor should be younger than 40.

[Tobias March]

If true it's a truely brilliant choice not only because Joseph is one of our great young actors, but because he's Johnson from Peep Show & that's good enough for me. However I'm scared to look at OG as they'll be bloody volcanic at the idea of casting a black man as the Doctor.

Great news.....the Marquis is back! :biggrin:

Now I'm really looking forward to the Gaiman ep.

[Stressfactor]

Just watched the link to Paterson Joseph's performance in "Neverwhere" (I've read the book but never saw the movie/mini-series(?)).... Mmm... sinister.... coooooool. I think I would like it if Moffat took that direction with the character. A weird but slightly sinister Doctor -- that would make a nice change of pace.

Count me as intrigued and NOT against this choice at all.

[ZT4]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/proginfo/tv/wk46/fri.shtml#fri_cin

CIN "scene" for DW confirmed (that's what they call the CIN specials), as well as a special for Ashes To Ashes.

[marshal99]

So anyone reading the doctor who comics from IDW ? Any good ?!

[thehod]

So anyone reading the doctor who comics from IDW ? Any good ?!

I'd love to, but the damn things aren't available in the UK for some utterly absurd reason.

I saw the writer of the latest series, Tony Lee, at the Birmingham Comic Con and was going to pick up the first issue from him, but he'd all sold out once I got my act together.

[Shades0077]

That's a very heteronormative assumption. Rose and Martha weren't eye candy to me---they were well-rounded characters: funny, smart, and strong. They added a lot to the show, and as I said previously, they were what anchored me to the Doctor.

Donna is none of those things.

You called Donna a cow and the most unattractive companion ever. With those comments it seems like the looks of the companion are important to you. Sorry if I misread that.

[marshal99]

I'd love to, but the damn things aren't available in the UK for some utterly absurd reason.

I saw the writer of the latest series, Tony Lee, at the Birmingham Comic Con and was going to pick up the first issue from him, but he'd all sold out once I got my act together.

That's just utterly stupid , don't make doctor who comics available for the country that gave birth to doctor who. I wonder who's the marketing genius behind that move.

[Alan Lynch]

That's just utterly stupid , don't make doctor who comics available for the country that gave birth to doctor who. I wonder who's the marketing genius behind that move.
It's probably something to do with copyright laws being different over here. I'm sure I knew once - I think it might come down to IDW not being authorised to publish Doctor Who stuff in Britain? I'm sure someone else will know much better than me. But it is really stupid.

[marshal99]

It's probably something to do with copyright laws being different over here. I'm sure I knew once - I think it might come down to IDW not being authorised to publish Doctor Who stuff in Britain? I'm sure someone else will know much better than me. But it is really stupid.

I'm guessing that UK has their own doctor who comics and magazines then. There are 2 IDW comics currently , one ongoing and one mini. The mini looks kind of interesting which is why i asked here , martha jones is the companion for both the ongoing and mini.

The mini series "The forgotten"
http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/The_Forgotten

[Stressfactor]

The reason why IDW "Doctor Who" comics are not available in Great Britian is because of licensing. The BBC can sell the Doctor Who license rights to one group for Europe and to another group for America. In this case, IIRC Pannini Comics has the European license for "Doctor Who" while IDW got the American license. Ergo, Pannini can sell the Doctor Who reprints in Great Britian and Europe but they can't, legally, sell them here in the US. Vice versa -- IDW can sell new and reprint Doctor Who comics here in the US but can't sell them in Europe without violating Pannini's license.

All that being said -- I know someone who lives in London and he's told me he's been able to get the IDW Doctor Who comics at a store there. Rich Johnston of "Lying in the Gutters" here on CBR has often mentioned a "Gray Market" when it comes to these sorts of things.

Getting to the comics themselves -- the reprints are, of course, reprints but with great new modern digital recoloring which looks awesome and with early Dave Gibbons art on some, the recent round had some early Brian Hitch art as well. The writing also includes some very early work by the likes of Grant Morrison...

As for the new stuff featuring the 10th Doctor and Martha... The first, six issue mini-series written by Gary Russell was a mess. Skip it. They had several different artists which was jarring since it was supposed to be one, coherent story but the art went from cartoony to serious and all points in between. The story itself was really juvenile until about the final two issues and, also, it didn't really come together and make any sense until the final two issues either. The sad thing is that I've read some of Gary Russell's "Doctor Who" novels and I KNOW the man can write better than this!

The current miniseries "Doctor Who: The Forgotten" is only two issues in but it already shows a lot of promise. The story is focused and it pays a nice tribute to the past while also dealing with the future. I'd definitely recommend it for fans.

[king mob]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/proginfo/tv/wk46/fri.shtml#fri_cin

CIN "scene" for DW confirmed (that's what they call the CIN specials), as well as a special for Ashes To Ashes.

Tess Daly, Fearne Cotton, Take That, Leon Jackson, Boyzone, Escala, Stereophonics, John Barrowman, Il Divo and Jason Donovan. A bloody CIN version of Ashes to Ashes?!

I'll be down the pub waiting for Girls Aloud to come on so I can perve.

[Dark_Master]

it has just been announced that the Doctor Who "scene" for CIN is just going to be a preview of "The Next Doctor" (link (http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressreleases/stories/2008/10_october/24/doctor.shtml)).
something to look foward to I suppose, but nothing very special

[Stressfactor]

it has just been announced that the Doctor Who "scene" for CIN is just going to be a preview of "The Next Doctor" (link (http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressreleases/stories/2008/10_october/24/doctor.shtml)).
something to look foward to I suppose, but nothing very special

Yeah.... crap.

I didn't figure we'd get another "Doctor" reunion but I guess I hoped for something original, a kind of mini-episode that could either go in canon or not. Kind of like the piece they had for the Proms.

[Nate Grey]

it has just been announced that the Doctor Who "scene" for CIN is just going to be a preview of "The Next Doctor" (link (http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressreleases/stories/2008/10_october/24/doctor.shtml)).
something to look foward to I suppose, but nothing very special

Whoa. They're not saying it outright, but is this dude the Eleventh Doctor? If so I still hope Tennant does the fifth series with Morrisey taking over for the sixth and beyond.

[ZT4]

Morrisey isnt The Eleventh Doctor, he's a time-traveling imposter making a profit off The Doctor's reputation

It's the same as "The Doctor's Daughter" being a misleading title that's only half-true

[Dark_Master]

It's the same as "The Doctor's Daughter" being a misleading title that's only half-truehow was it only half-true? Jenny is his daughter and he even acknowledged it :confused:

[Stressfactor]

Morrisey isnt The Eleventh Doctor, he's a time-traveling imposter making a profit off The Doctor's reputation

It's the same as "The Doctor's Daughter" being a misleading title that's only half-true

Wait... Isn't that the same plot as...the Big Finish sudio story "The One Doctor"? If so then RTD is ripping off Big Finish now. :rolleyes:

[Matt]

Wait... Isn't that the same plot as...the Big Finish sudio story "The One Doctor"? If so then RTD is ripping off Big Finish now. :rolleyes:

It does sound rather similar, yes

[Stressfactor]

how was it only half-true? Jenny is his daughter and he even acknowledged it :confused:

He could be refering to the 8th Doctor novel "Father Time". The story is set during a time when the Doctor had amnesia and had also lost his TARDIS and was pretty much stuck living on Earth for about a hundred years because the only clue he had was that he was supposed to meet someone in 2001. The Doctor continued to have adventures during this time and in one of them he meets a young alien girl on Earth named Miranda. He eventually ends up adopting her (hence she is the "Doctor's Daughter" but not biologically the Doctor's daughter) and spending some time on Earth living life day-to-day, working at a job, and generally trying o provide Miranda with a normal life.

The book was published LONG before the episode came out.

OR he could be referring to the fact that a lot of fans thought we were going to get a little peek into the Doctor's past. After all, Susan was his granddaughter and the Doctor has said he was a father so a lot of people saw the title "The Doctor's Daughter" and thought they were going to learn something about Susan's mother. Instead we got a kind of clone-child that sprang out fully formed. There were some who were dreadfully disappointed. Of course, there's still be no word on if Susan was the Doctor's granddaughter through a female line or a male line -- i.e., we don't know if the Doctor's original child was a boy or a girl. And yes, before someone says it, I KNOW the novels have some stuff on this but it's terribly confusing and it's never been stated as canon so it doesn't officially count.

So, yes, the Doctor acknowledged Jenny as his "daughter" but he didn't really RAISE her so that kind of took away a bit of the fatherhood aspect. It's kind of like if a guy knocked up a girl but then said he didn't want anything to do with the baby and walked out on the mother. Sure, biologically, the guy's a father but since he's not around to raise the child or teach it anything he's not much of a father. The Doctor didn't get enough time with Jenny to teach her much except -- it's fun to run and fight bad guys. He didn't even get to teach her about Gallifrey or Time Lord customs or anything like that so it makes her rather a weak "daughter".

[Dark_Master]

I didn't know about that book, sounds somewhat interesting, though I'm not sure how much I would enjoy it. Reading Who doesn't sound particularly appealing (pf the two books I read I only liked one and that was mainly for the evil otters)

[Stressfactor]

Be aware that the stuff published by Virgin is a lot different than the current BBC published line of books. The new stuff is mainly aimed at teens and tweens but the older stuff was more teens to adults. Some of it got pretty dang dark, there were definitely sexual situations, and there was some description of violence and gore.

I haven't read any of the 8th Doctor line but having read a few of the Virgin "Missing Adventures" I was a little bit shocked since they get quite a bit darker than the TV series ever did.

'Course some of the audios are disturbing too. I listened to the 6th Doctor story "Real Time" on the BBC website and just the audio for some of the people getting converted into Cybermen made me cringe -- it was gruesome! Nasty noises and the actors gave some of the most realistic and bloodcurdling screams...

[ZT4]

Wait... Isn't that the same plot as...the Big Finish sudio story "The One Doctor"? If so then RTD is ripping off Big Finish now. :rolleyes:

Which isnt new at all, since under RTD, Cornell adapted elements of his novel Human Nature, and Rise of the Cybermen/The Age of Steel borrowed elements from Marc Platt's "Spare Parts", to which he was paid for. So nobody got "ripped off". Big Finish itself has a niche audience anyway, so exposure is good.


Some of it got pretty dang dark, there were definitely sexual situations, and there was some description of violence and gore.

The Virgin novels (irony), are a real mindf*ck. There's also nude scenes for companions old and new, Ace at one point loses her memory and takes all of her clothes off just to try and remember how she used to dress.

Incidently, the BF audio "The Juggernaughts" has a Bonnie Langford nude scene in it.:frown:

[Nate Grey]

So, yes, the Doctor acknowledged Jenny as his "daughter" but he didn't really RAISE her so that kind of took away a bit of the fatherhood aspect. It's kind of like if a guy knocked up a girl but then said he didn't want anything to do with the baby and walked out on the mother. Sure, biologically, the guy's a father but since he's not around to raise the child or teach it anything he's not much of a father. The Doctor didn't get enough time with Jenny to teach her much except -- it's fun to run and fight bad guys. He didn't even get to teach her about Gallifrey or Time Lord customs or anything like that so it makes her rather a weak "daughter".

Sorry, none of that negates the fact Jenny's his daughter. It just means he's a weak FATHER. Understandable given the circumstance but you're looking at it the wrong way. Again, his none involvement with her upbringing, and taking into account your analogies, doesn't stop Jenny from being his daughter. Just stops him from being any sort of father to her.

Its like the old saying, there's no such thing as illegitimate children, cause you're either someone's child or you're not. There IS such a thing as illegitimate PARENTS. :wink:

[Stressfactor]

Sorry, none of that negates the fact Jenny's his daughter. It just means he's a weak FATHER. Understandable given the circumstance but you're looking at it the wrong way. Again, his none involvement with her upbringing, and taking into account your analogies, doesn't stop Jenny from being his daughter. Just stops him from being any sort of father to her.

Its like the old saying, there's no such thing as illegitimate children, cause you're either someone's child or you're not. There IS such a thing as illegitimate PARENTS. :wink:

I was only explaining to Dark Master possible reasons why ZT4 referred to Jenny as a "half daughter". These are basically the reasons I've seen on other MB's from Doctor Who fans as well as from people who reviewed/critiqued the episode.

For me, personally, I could care LESS. I knew going in there was no way we were going to get a story about Susan's possible mother.

My own problems with the story were:
1) It was a silly, deus ex machina to create a "child" for the Doctor and make her instantly an adult. I don't complain that they DID it -- I just think they could have come up with a better way (I considered the Doctor-Human hybrid springing from the Doctor's hand a bit daffy as well. I've seen comic book writers come up with better ways of creating clones and genetically produced offspring!)

2) The entire plot was nonsenical because the terraforming had only been going on for seven days. For the people to have basically "lost their past" that would mean that no one there was even seven days old. Now if their war is going so badly that NO ONE is still alive after seven days they are doing something DRASTICALLY wrong. Seriously, their losses must be like WW I trench levels.

3) They should have made the story a two-parter and let it breathe a bit more. It was too short to do everything they wanted to do in it and THAT'S why the Doctor-Daughter relationship was so freakin' cramped.

I would not mind if, at some point, Georgia Moffat gets offered a companion role for at least a half season and hopefully for a whole season because I think it is a relationship that SHOULD be explored more as well as given a CHANCE to be expanded.

[Stressfactor]

To ZT4 -- I knew Cornell adapted his own stuff and was paid for it but it's nice to know the other guys got paid for their stuff as well.

As long as the people who write the original stuff the inspiration comes from get compensated and attributed then I've got no problem with it.

[marshal99]

Yeah , The doctor's daughter should make a return visit , possibly as a companion. Wouldn't mind her returning as she got to be better than donna. Would also explore her relationship with the doctor "dad".

[SUPERECWFAN1]

I recommedn picking up IDW's Dr Who: The Forgotten as a series. It features the 10th Doctor reliving his memories of his prior bodies. In the 1st issue he discusses Susan and being old at the time.

[ZT4]

Yeah , The doctor's daughter should make a return visit , possibly as a companion. Wouldn't mind her returning as she got to be better than donna. Would also explore her relationship with the doctor "dad".

Moffet will be bringing her back at some point

Curiously, I think Jenny resembles Susan from Coupling more than Lala Ward does whenever fans argue over the simularities.

[king mob]

I would not mind if, at some point, Georgia Moffat gets offered a companion role for at least a half season and hopefully for a whole season because I think it is a relationship that SHOULD be explored more as well as given a CHANCE to be expanded.

She was to be killed off but Stephen Moffat wanted her to live so it's a safe bet that she'll return.

[Captain Jim]

She was to be killed off but Stephen Moffat wanted her to live so it's a safe bet that she'll return.

Not necessarily.

Russell has recently said that Steven persuaded him to resurrect Jenny at the end of The Doctor's Daughter. Was that because Steven wanted to have the option of bringing Jenny back, when he became showrunner?

Oh, Lordy, that's got so overstated. Truth is, I jumped out of my chair when Jenny came back to life--total surprise, loved it! And then I heard the podcast and discovered it was my idea. I was about to deny the whole thing, but then I checked back through my e-mails, and yep, I said that. It was before the script was written -- Russell mentioned the idea he was about to give Stephen [Greenhorn, writer], and I said she shouldn't die at the end, cos that's what everyone would be expecting. That's all it was, a chat among writers -- I didn't make a pronouncement from the balcony of my new Showrunner Palace.

[king mob]

Fair enough but Jenny dying was hardly obvious & would have made a better ending to a poor episode.

[Nate Grey]

Fair enough but Jenny dying was hardly obvious & would have made a better ending to a poor episode.

1) How was her dying "hardly obvious"? Children of main characters in sci-fi shows usually get despensed of quickly or negated away. Keeping her alive is the twist in that he has, genetically, a daughter out there.

2) How would her death have made the ep better? :confused:

[ZT4]

Tennant, you arrrre OUTTA HERE

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7698539.stm

David Tennant is to stand down as Doctor Who, after becoming one of the most popular Time Lords in the history of the BBC science fiction show.

Tennant stepped into the Tardis in 2005, and will leave the role after four special episodes are broadcast next year.

Three years was "about the right time" to play the role, he told the BBC.

He made the announcement after winning the outstanding drama performance prize at the National Television Awards.

"I think it's better to go when there's a chance that people might miss you, rather than to hang around and outstay your welcome," he said.


I don't ever want it to feel like a job, so I want to move on when it still feels exciting and fresh
David Tennant

His stint in the show had been "the most extraordinary time, it's been bewildering, life changing, very exciting", he said.

"And just so much fun, such a great show to work on.

"That's one of the reasons I think it's right to take a deep breath and bow out when it's still fun, when it's a novelty.

"I don't ever want it to feel like a job, so I want to move on when it still feels exciting and fresh and that means I'll miss it."

[AlistairCrane]

Tennant, you arrrre OUTTA HERE

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7698539.stm

I'm sad to see him go, but he makes a good point about leaving when he'll be missed.

With a new Doctor, new companion, and new showrunner, Series Five is going to seem like a brand new show. Wonder if it'll lose, gain, or maintain its ratings/following.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Tennant, you arrrre OUTTA HERE

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7698539.stm

I'll miss the guy. He had an energy and childhood wonder type look at things . Good luck Tennant...the episodes I saw was good.

[king mob]

With a new Doctor, new companion, and new showrunner, Series Five is going to seem like a brand new show. Wonder if it'll lose, gain, or maintain its ratings/following.

The programme has lasted 45 years, it's never been so popular with audiences. It'll be fine.

I do hope they go with Patterson Jospeh as that would be marvelous.

[ZT4]

I quite agree

Moff also loves using people from his own shows, so if he can pull in Jack Davenport for something big, that'd be interesting...though maybe not as Davros, since the "rant" would be about men's toilets or the uselessness of Dalekenium cushions...:cool:

[Haydn C]

I quite agree

Moff also loves using people from his own shows, so if he can pull in Jack Davenport for something big, that'd be interesting...though maybe not as Davros, since the "rant" would be about men's toilets or the uselessness of Dalekenium cushions...:cool:

Richard Coyle as the Doctor would make me happy. I have a lot of time for him.

[Ontir]

OK, I did several searches and was unable to locate any threads with the words "Doctor," "Who," "Time Lord" and/or "TARDIS," so I did my due-dilligence!

This just (recently) in (from a post on DCComics.com):

"Official: David Tennant Leaving DW After TV Specials. (http://www.gallifreyone.com/news.php#newsitemEkkVFEVAkpSmGYjFYL)

David Tennant will be leaving DOCTOR WHO at the conclusion of the 2009 specials currently in production, the actor announced live on stage this evening at the National Television Awards .

The Guardian newspaper this evening broke the story prematurely, reporting on their website (in a report subsequently pulled down) that Tennant is "vacating the TARDIS and leaving the BBC's DOCTOR WHO series at the end of next year. Tennant's decision brings to an end his popular four-year tenure as the time lord." The article went on to say that the BBC had confirmed that the actor "would complete the filming of four special episodes to be screened this year and in early 2010, as well as 2009's Christmas special."

The BBC DOCTOR WHO website has now posted the full news: "I've had the most brilliant, bewildering and life changing time working on DOCTOR WHO . I have loved every day of it," the actor says. "It would be very easy to cling on to the TARDIS console forever and I fear that if I don't take a deep breath and make the decision to move on now, then I simply never will. ... I'm still The Doctor all next year but when the time finally comes I'll be honoured to hand on the best job in the world to the next lucky git - whoever that may be." Tennant added that he "always thought the time to leave would be in conjunction with Russell T. Davies and Julie Gardner who have been such a huge part of it all for me. Steven Moffat is the most brilliant and exciting writer, the only possible successor to Russell and it was sorely tempting to be part of his amazing new plans for the show. I will be there, glued to my TV when his stories begin in 2010." He furthermore says that he feels "very privileged to have been part of this incredible phenomenon, and whilst I'm looking forward to new challenges I know I'll always be very proud to be The Tenth Doctor ." Says Russell T. Davies , "I've been lucky and honoured to work with David over the past few years - and it's not over yet, The Tenth Doctor still has five spectacular hours left! After which, I might drop an anvil on his head. Or maybe a piano. A radioactive piano. But we're planning the most enormous and spectacular ending, so keep watching!"

Says the BBC News site (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/7698539.stm), Tennant is quoted as saying, "I love this part, and I love this show so much that if I don't take a deep breath and move on now I never will, and you'll be wheeling me out of the TARDIS in my bath chair." Tennant also says, "I think it's better to go when there's a chance that people might miss you, rather than to hang around and outstay your welcome," he said.

Tennant will appear in this year's Christmas special, as well as four specials being produced for 2009 and 2010 airdates by executive producers Russell T. Davies and Julie Gardner . Tennant confirmed to BBC News that the four specials for 2009/2010 will be "the four last stories that I do." New incoming executive producer Steven Moffat will then take over the series with new leads as the show returns for a normal, fifth series of episodes in 2010.

More details as they come in..."

~ Hellblazerraiser

[AlistairCrane]

So you missed...this: http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=46440

[Zero Hunter]

Tennet has had a good run as the good Doctor. I think 3 to 4 years is about the right tenure for most Doctors anyway.

[Matt]

I hope the next incarnation displays a lot more intelligence, more maturity and less manic behaviour.

Then again, a lot of that would come down to the scripts.

[Deathstroke]

Terribly depressing news...the guy was just flat out awesome as all get out!

[AlistairCrane]

I hope the next incarnation displays a lot more intelligence, more maturity and less manic behaviour.

Then again, a lot of that would come down to the scripts.

Your idea sounds like a whole lot of rubbish.

Count me out.

[Captain Jim]

I hate to hear this. I knew he wouldn't be around forever, but I think it really would have helped the transition immensely if he'd stayed around for one season under Moffit.

I have to say, I don't get it. Wasn't the whole point of only having specials in 2009 so Tennant could do some other projects without having to leave Who? He might as well have left at the end of the 2008 series now.

I have complete confidence in Moffit, who has written my favorite episodes to date. But I do think the show's going to have an uphill battle when it comes back after a year's hiatus, with both new lead and supporting characters. One thing that helped the Eccleston-Tennant transition was having Billie Piper and her supporting cast remain intact. This time, everything's going to be new.

It just doesn't make sense to me that when something becomes the #1 show in the UK, you yank it off TV for a year.

Oh well, I wish Tennant well, nonetheless.

[rick]

I hope the next incarnation displays a lot more intelligence, more maturity and less manic behaviour.

Then again, a lot of that would come down to the scripts.


I don't know about that, Tennant has been plenty smart and lot's of fun.

I enjoy the manic behavior and as we both know so well, maturity isn't always all it's cracked up to be. :smile:

Still I look forward to the change, it's always an interesting time when we get a new Doctor.

[Stony]

O'Toole '09!!

[SUPERECWFAN1]

I hate to hear this. I knew he wouldn't be around forever, but I think it really would have helped the transition immensely if he'd stayed around for one season under Moffit.

I have to say, I don't get it. Wasn't the whole point of only having specials in 2009 so Tennant could do some other projects without having to leave Who? He might as well have left at the end of the 2008 series now.

I have complete confidence in Moffit, who has written my favorite episodes to date. But I do think the show's going to have an uphill battle when it comes back after a year's hiatus, with both new lead and supporting characters. One thing that helped the Eccleston-Tennant transition was having Billie Piper and her supporting cast remain intact. This time, everything's going to be new.

It just doesn't make sense to me that when something becomes the #1 show in the UK, you yank it off TV for a year.

Oh well, I wish Tennant well, nonetheless.

Oh yeah he looks like he'll be a star . I'll miss the guy. Sure he played it a bit maniac at times but that was a part of the personality I suppose. The next Who could be a change and be more in another direction.

[king mob]

I hope the next incarnation displays a lot more intelligence, more maturity and less manic behaviour.

Then again, a lot of that would come down to the scripts.

I know what you're saying, some of the 'humans are brillliaaaaannnttttt' stuff became tiresome, but Tennant was allowed to show what he could actually do in the last two series as opposed to a patchy first series. Then again, series two was patchy generally.

[king mob]

I hate to hear this. I knew he wouldn't be around forever, but I think it really would have helped the transition immensely if he'd stayed around for one season under Moffit.

I have to say, I don't get it. Wasn't the whole point of only having specials in 2009 so Tennant could do some other projects without having to leave Who? He might as well have left at the end of the 2008 series now.

It's been rumoured for a while that Tennant would leave with RTD, plus a new Doctor coming in with a new producer is common in the programe's history.

I have complete confidence in Moffit, who has written my favorite episodes to date. But I do think the show's going to have an uphill battle when it comes back after a year's hiatus, with both new lead and supporting characters. One thing that helped the Eccleston-Tennant transition was having Billie Piper and her supporting cast remain intact. This time, everything's going to be new.

The point about the supporting cast is valid. Although a new Doctor & producer starting at the same time has happened before, it does look that this may well be a complete fresh start. However there really isn't anything to worry about, the programme will carry on unless they hugely miscast the Doctor or hire Russell Brand & Jonathon Ross and the Doctor & his companion.

It just doesn't make sense to me that when something becomes the #1 show in the UK, you yank it off TV for a year.

There's a whole load of reasons including letting Moffat prepare for taking over & getting one more year out of Tennant when he would have left this year. That would have left the BBC with no Who at all in 2009 & they couldn't let that happen.

[marshal99]

Makes the regeneration in journey's end kind of redundant , he didn't want to change his good looks then but one adventure later , he's a whole new man.

Patrick Stewart as the older distinguished doctor '09. :wink:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjNKyoRudOQ

[Robo Ape]

I have seen quite a few people suggest Henry Ian Cusick who played Desmond on Lost for the role of the next Doctor.

[Doodle Bob]

Makes the regeneration in journey's end kind of redundant , he didn't want to change his good looks then but one adventure later , he's a whole new man.

Patrick Stewart as the older distinguished doctor '09. :wink:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjNKyoRudOQ

Patrick Stewart would be, like, totally, totally awesome!!!

As for the former point, wouldn't it be five and a half adventures later: A Christmas special, four 1-hour specials, plus CIN?

[Dark_Master]

very sad news, but we all knew it was going to happen at some point :frown:
But I do think the show's going to have an uphill battle when it comes back after a year's hiatus, with both new lead and supporting characters. One thing that helped the Eccleston-Tennant transition was having Billie Piper and her supporting cast remain intact. This time, everything's going to be new.but that's somewhat easy to solve. Just introduce a new companion in one of the last 2 specials and leave him/her for at least the next Doctor's new series (kinda like what they did with Donna but without having the Martha series in the middle)

[Stressfactor]

but that's somewhat easy to solve. Just introduce a new companion in one of the last 2 specials and leave him/her for at least the next Doctor's new series

I've kind of long thought that this is what they might do -- it makes a lot of sense and, really, there has been a history of bringing on new companions not very long before bringing on a new Doctor. Janet Fielding and Sarah Sutton were brought on not long before Tom Baker left and the same with Nicola Bryant.

I think we've seen a rather complete story arc with Tennant's Doctor -- so it makes sense for him to drop out now before things just become just too rote.

As for Doctor-y personalities.... Seeing Patterson Joseph's turn as the Marquis de Carabas I think I'd like to see a version of the Doctor with a little more sinister, darker air. Eccleston was more "damaged" than "dark" -- it might be fun to see a Doctor with a little bit more of an air of the sorcerer to him -- plus, if Neil Gaiman is going to write an episode (or hopefully more than one) THAT sort of a portrayal would really play to Gaiman's strengths.

[mattx110]

I don't know about that, Tennant has been plenty smart and lot's of fun.

I enjoy the manic behavior and as we both know so well, maturity isn't always all it's cracked up to be. :smile:

Still I look forward to the change, it's always an interesting time when we get a new Doctor.A man that old who's seen that much pain and that much awesome would be pretty manic.

[Toku King]

Tennant, you arrrre OUTTA HERE

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7698539.stm

No. No. NO! Nononononono! NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!

God damn it! First Eccleston, now Tennant! Too short, damn it!

[berk]

I liked Tennant well enough, but this seems like the right time for him to leave. I think it's a good idea to let Moffat make a fresh start with his own Doctor, new companions, etc.

[king mob]

Patrick Stewart would be, like, totally, totally awesome!!!

As for the former point, wouldn't it be five and a half adventures later: A Christmas special, four 1-hour specials, plus CIN?

This year's Children in Need clip is just a preview of The Next Doctor & probably John Barrowman camping it up.

There;s an interview on Newsround with Tennant regarding him leaving that can be seen here (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=YJVnUsIicGs) & here. (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=JLCPfOGQ1W0)

[Robo Ape]

I liked Tennant well enough, but this seems like the right time for him to leave. I think it's a good idea to let Moffat make a fresh start with his own Doctor, new companions, etc.

As has often been the way with the show when it has gained a new producer.

Interesting article here (http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/organgrinder/2008/oct/30/doctorwho-bbc) on the next Doctor.

[Ontir]

So you missed...this: http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=46440

I used the search feature at the top of this page, typing in Doctor Who, Time Lord, Time Lords and TARDIS and it repeatedly gave me 0 results. I knew there had been one, I just couldn't get the search function to... FUNCTION!

I knew some helpful wag would, however, ignore that statement at the top of the post and then dig the thread out.

Tennant's "Doctor" has no eclipsed even Tom Baker for me. I don't want his Doctor to end. I've said this many times on many boards, but I'm hoping that instead of the traditional regeneration, they cross him over with the new Doctor and then follow his successor, leaving "10" to go off on undocumented adventures, and able to pop up at any point, regardless of the actor's age.

That said, they should shoot the regeneration scene now so that they have the youngest version of the new actor when the time comes.

[Captain Jim]

Makes the regeneration in journey's end kind of redundant ,

Another reason I would have liked Tennant to stay one more season.

[Captain Jim]

that's somewhat easy to solve. Just introduce a new companion in one of the last 2 specials and leave him/her for at least the next Doctor's new series (kinda like what they did with Donna but without having the Martha series in the middle)

Hey, that's a great idea. I think that would be better than a companion-less Doctor in all those specials anyway. I hope they do this.

[Captain Jim]

I was just thinking...it would be nice if, 2-3 years from now, if they had Tennant and Piper return in a guest role as the clone Doctor and Rose.

[themightyjbowski]

This year's Children in Need clip is just a preview of The Next Doctor & probably John Barrowman camping it up.

There;s an interview on Newsround with Tennant regarding him leaving that can be seen here (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=YJVnUsIicGs) & here. (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=JLCPfOGQ1W0)

Maaan! This sucks! But I kinda see his point.
Like someone else mentioned, he could come
back and gueat star as his clone & or a doctor
team-up with all the newer doctors. :frown:

[berk]

As has often been the way with the show when it has gained a new producer.

Interesting article here (http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/organgrinder/2008/oct/30/doctorwho-bbc) on the next Doctor.Joanna Lumley! Now that'd be interesting.

[Robo Ape]

This article (http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tv/a134154/russell-tovey-talks-doctor-who.html) suggests that the new Doctor has already been picked. I wouldn't be completely surprised as I always thought these things were decided well in advance.

[Doodle Bob]

This article (http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tv/a134154/russell-tovey-talks-doctor-who.html) suggests that the new Doctor has already been picked. I wouldn't be completely surprised as I always thought these things were decided well in advance.

that might be true. after all, they announced David Tennant as the new Doctor while Christopher Eccleston thought he was negotiating for a second season as the Doctor.

I must say, though, that a really young Doctor has been done already -- let's bring back an older Doc.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

that might be true. after all, they announced David Tennant as the new Doctor while Christopher Eccleston thought he was negotiating for a second season as the Doctor.

I must say, though, that a really young Doctor has been done already -- let's bring back an older Doc.

I saw that guys pic on the article...and he does look way young judging from it. I agree an older Doctor would be cool to see now.

[mattx110]

As a jew, I'm really looking forward to Christmas this year...

[king mob]

This article (http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tv/a134154/russell-tovey-talks-doctor-who.html) suggests that the new Doctor has already been picked. I wouldn't be completely surprised as I always thought these things were decided well in advance.

I doubt it'll be Tovey as although he's a very good actor, he really is far too young but maybe in 10 years time he could play the part.

As for the choice being made then that's not too surprising as shooting for series 5 starts in June/July, but I imagine the BBC will milk speculation for as long as possible.

[Robo Ape]

I doubt it'll be Tovey as although he's a very good actor, he really is far too young but maybe in 10 years time he could play the part.

As for the choice being made then that's not too surprising as shooting for series 5 starts in June/July, but I imagine the BBC will milk speculation for as long as possible.

Plus it will obviously help the writers for season five if they know the actor their writing the part for.

[Ontir]

Another reason I would have liked Tennant to stay one more season.

Actually, that regeneration may have hastened his need to going through it again. He wasn't full-strength.

Still, I'd like him to NOT regenerate when the new Doctor takes over.

[mattx110]

Actually, that regeneration may have hastened his need to going through it again. He wasn't full-strength.

Still, I'd like him to NOT regenerate when the new Doctor takes over.
We're getting a two doctors in season 5 or the christmas special after that right?

We've gotta.

I mean, it'd be rude to not! Tennant probably made it part of his contract, a "you will either let me in a multiple Doctor story after I quit or I'm suing your ass" clause?

[Ontir]

I'd love to see McGann, Eccleston, Tennant and the new guy do an episode together.

[Matt]

I'd like to see an episode which takes place entirely inside the Doctor's head.

There have been novels and audio plays which have used this story element and usually it's worked well; the current incarnation retreats into himself (for whatever reason) and basically talks with his previous selves in his own mindscape.

[marshal99]

I think a good way for the different doctors to appear together might be through the trickster 's realm , the trickster seemed capable of plucking various doctor incarnations through the timestream just to see the chaos it will result in considering how many times the doctor have saved earth & the universe in all his incarnations.

[Gibbering Fool]

I don;t know enough good English actors, so I'm just going to suggest Anthony Stewart Head for the role. He's older, but still "spunky" and could do both both smart and stuffy or hardass.

[marshal99]

I don;t know enough good English actors, so I'm just going to suggest Anthony Stewart Head for the role. He's older, but still "spunky" and could do both both smart and stuffy or hardass.

Thing is , he already appeared as the leader of the bat creatures. Don't think it's acceptable for him to be the doctor.

[king mob]

I don;t know enough good English actors, so I'm just going to suggest Anthony Stewart Head for the role. He's older, but still "spunky" and could do both both smart and stuffy or hardass.

Head's already been on Who, plus he seems to be busy doing Merlin on the BBC. Also, the search won't be restricted to English actors & Tennant is very, very Scottish.

[mattx110]

Head's already been on Who, plus he seems to be busy doing Merlin on the BBC. Also, the search won't be restricted to English actors & Tennant is very, very Scottish.
How about an American Doctor Who?


(watches OG burn)

[Halcyon]

If Steve Moffat goes for a older actor I would not mind seeing Stephen Fry's take on the Doctor.

[king mob]

How about an American Doctor Who?


(watches OG burn)

Hah, it would be worth it to see OG burn but the Doctor should remain British.

As for Fry, it's the same problem as James Nesbit: you'd be watching Stephen Fry being Stephen Fry. I'd love to see his abandoned script finally produced though.

[mattx110]

Hah, it would be worth it to see OG burn but the Doctor should remain British.

As for Fry, it's the same problem as James Nesbit: you'd be watching Stephen Fry being Stephen Fry. I'd love to see his abandoned script finally produced though.
I guess Northern Irish is British enough?

[Stressfactor]

How about an American Doctor Who?


(watches OG burn)

While it would be worth it to see (as the Sontarans might put it) Outpost Gallifrey is going nuclear! Quite frankly, I can't think of ONE American actor who might have the chops to do the role justice.

Most American movie actors don't really like going to TV (seeing it as a step down) and most American TV actors seem to be either comedians or dramatists. I really can't think of a single actor who could fully do the mercurail Doctor justice and, let's face it, all the best actors in the role have always been great at going from humor to anger or sadness at the drop of a hat.

[Tobias March]

I guess Northern Irish is British enough?

Oo controversial :tongue:

[Corrina]

Why not Doctor Donna for a while? Throw Mickey in as her companion for a few episodes, then bring in a new Doctor, maybe around the time where they find other timelords.

And speaking of which, I have a question.

If Donna could not exist as half-human and half-timelord, how did the Doctor 2.0 do the same? 2.0 said he had a heartbeat, meaning he was physically human--so how did he get away with what was killing Donna?

It doesn't make sense to me.

[Paul McEnery]

I guess Northern Irish is British enough?

In which case, let's go with Ray Stevenson.

With BFGs.

[mattx110]

While it would be worth it to see (as the Sontarans might put it) Outpost Gallifrey is going nuclear! Quite frankly, I can't think of ONE American actor who might have the chops to do the role justice.

Most American movie actors don't really like going to TV (seeing it as a step down) and most American TV actors seem to be either comedians or dramatists. I really can't think of a single actor who could fully do the mercurail Doctor justice and, let's face it, all the best actors in the role have always been great at going from humor to anger or sadness at the drop of a hat.I'm sure there are plenty of American TV actors that could do it. Or maybe start pulling from the stage? Howabout Kevin Spacey? Probably too busy being director at the Old Vic, but I don't think he'd have a problem with taking a pay cut to be a national icon.

Why not Doctor Donna for a while? Throw Mickey in as her companion for a few episodes, then bring in a new Doctor, maybe around the time where they find other timelords.

And speaking of which, I have a question.

If Donna could not exist as half-human and half-timelord, how did the Doctor 2.0 do the same? 2.0 said he had a heartbeat, meaning he was physically human--so how did he get away with what was killing Donna?

It doesn't make sense to me.
Irish Blood, English Heart? I mean... Timelord Brain, Human Heart?

[Paul McEnery]

While it would be worth it to see (as the Sontarans might put it) Outpost Gallifrey is going nuclear! Quite frankly, I can't think of ONE American actor who might have the chops to do the role justice.

What about Hugh Laurie? :biggrin:

[Stressfactor]

Why not Doctor Donna for a while? Throw Mickey in as her companion for a few episodes, then bring in a new Doctor, maybe around the time where they find other timelords.

And speaking of which, I have a question.

If Donna could not exist as half-human and half-timelord, how did the Doctor 2.0 do the same? 2.0 said he had a heartbeat, meaning he was physically human--so how did he get away with what was killing Donna?

It doesn't make sense to me.

Yeah, most fans have operated on the assumption that Doctor 2.0 still had a brain hardwired for Time Lord thinking whereas Donna was left with a Human brain.

Look at it this way -- since Doc 2.0 essentially grew from Doc 1.0's hand his DNA was MOSTLY Time Lord with just enough human thrown in to screw up the heart thing and deny him regeneration... Whereas Donna really only got an energy backlash and ended up with the Doctor's thoughts and memories but her DNA was still MOSTLY human. This also meant that her brain was mostly human.

Also, Doc 2.0 was grown blank slate, tabla rasa. He had a tiny bit of Donna in him but not really her whole mind whereas Donna ended up with the Doctor's entire mind in her head in ADDITION to her own personality. In that way it would make sense that her mind would not be able to cope with having two whole personalities and sets of memories trying to compete for the same space.

There are a lot of people, though, who would like to see Donna back. Catherine Tate has indicated that she's willing to make another appearance or two. Hell, even if they couldn't get Tate there IS a theory among fans that, because Doc 2.0 didn't get the ability to regenerate maybe Donna did.

The only problem with the Doctor-Donna with Mickey as a companion would be where would she get a TARDIS from? Still, I wouldn't mind seeing Donna get her memories back even if she lost all the Time Lord knowledge and then making a guest appearance on the Sarah Jane Adventures.

[Tik]

And speaking of which, I have a question.

If Donna could not exist as half-human and half-timelord, how did the Doctor 2.0 do the same? 2.0 said he had a heartbeat, meaning he was physically human--so how did he get away with what was killing Donna?

It doesn't make sense to me.
Donna was a human that aquired the mind of a Time Lord. A human mind/brain cannot cope with this so Donna was dying.

Doctor 2.0 was a Time Lord that aquired human aging/weaknesses. As such his mind isn't affected and he can survive.

[mattx110]

In which case, let's go with Ray Stevenson.

With BFGs.
I dont' want a Doctor that can just kick the daleks asses. I want a clever Doctor!
What about Hugh Laurie? :biggrin:
Perfect!

He's actually pretty good at the English accent! Not great, but decent...

[Stressfactor]

I dont' want a Doctor that can just kick the daleks asses. I want a clever Doctor!

Perfect!

He's actually pretty good at the English accent! Not great, but decent...
I'm assuming you're being sarcastic since Laurie IS British and puts on an American accent for "House".

[mattx110]

I'm assuming you're being sarcastic since Laurie IS British and puts on an American accent for "House".
I'm always serious.

Well, not this time. :biggrin:

[Paul McEnery]

I'm always serious.

Well, not this time. :biggrin:

Young jedi, you have yet to learn the power of the farce.

[king mob]

This weeks Have I Got News For You (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=oujixU2yLlA) has been stuck on Youtube. Tom Baker is guest presenter & it's a cracking episode.

[AlistairCrane]

Ok I have a question for some loooong time fans:

One of the first episodes/serials I remember watching had I believe the Doctor's female companion crawling through the tunnel/shaft of some futuristic spaceship (I think it was a spaceship...whatever it was, it was a futuristic building or vehicle). The woman had curly brown/blonde hair. It was definitely from the 80s I THINK. It had that 80s feel to the film.

I know that's so vague, but does anyone have any idea what serial this may have been?

[Charles RB]

This weeks Have I Got News For You (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=oujixU2yLlA) has been stuck on Youtube.

Hurray!
.

[Matt]

Ok I have a question for some loooong time fans:

One of the first episodes/serials I remember watching had I believe the Doctor's female companion crawling through the tunnel/shaft of some futuristic spaceship (I think it was a spaceship...whatever it was, it was a futuristic building or vehicle). The woman had curly brown/blonde hair. It was definitely from the 80s I THINK. It had that 80s feel to the film.

I know that's so vague, but does anyone have any idea what serial this may have been?

That sounds like a few different stories to me.
But the one that immediately springs to me would be the 4th Doctor story "The Ark in Space".

[Stressfactor]

Ok I have a question for some loooong time fans:

One of the first episodes/serials I remember watching had I believe the Doctor's female companion crawling through the tunnel/shaft of some futuristic spaceship (I think it was a spaceship...whatever it was, it was a futuristic building or vehicle). The woman had curly brown/blonde hair. It was definitely from the 80s I THINK. It had that 80s feel to the film.

I know that's so vague, but does anyone have any idea what serial this may have been?

That sounds like a few different stories to me.
But the one that immediately springs to me would be the 4th Doctor story "The Ark in Space".

Mmmmm, I'm leaning more towards Nyssa in the story "Terminus".

[AlistairCrane]

I looked up clips from The Ark in Space and Terminus, and right now I'm leaning towards Terminus. The sets are very much what I remember. Man, early Doctor Who was such a reflection of its time! haha! Thanks!

[themightyjbowski]

I'd like to see an episode which takes place entirely inside the Doctor's head.

There have been novels and audio plays which have used this story element and usually it's worked well; the current incarnation retreats into himself (for whatever reason) and basically talks with his previous selves in his own mindscape.

That's a REALLY good idea! Hard to do since many of them are
dead or too old. But u can do just about anything special effects-wise
these days. :cool:

[Ontir]

You just have him retreat into McGann, Eccleston and Tennant. :wink:

[Toku King]

They should do a new "Two Doctors". I think that Eccleston wouldn't mind doing it one more time.

[mattx110]

They should do a new "Two Doctors". I think that Eccleston wouldn't mind doing it one more time.3 doctors? Tennant and Eccleston have the chance to end the time war a different way with McGann, but none of them can use that Timelord sense to know what will happen or if it's the right thing to do.

[AlistairCrane]

3 doctors? Tennant and Eccleston have the chance to end the time war a different way with McGann, but none of them can use that Timelord sense to know what will happen or if it's the right thing to do.

It would be neat to do a Time War movie with McGann to give him one last hurrah, and have him regenerate into Eccleston towards the end.