Doctor Who *spoilers*

[roguespirit]

Yea one of the staples of the Dr's 950 years is that he has the Time Lords to complain about and now they are gone, wether he liked them or not, its still home and they are still family and Galifrey is responsible for who he is today. And it's all gone. We are lucky that he's just a little wacky.

In Dr Who Confidential which focussed on Evil Geniuses (if thats a word) Russel Davies said that they wanted to keep away from The Master until they were sure they could do him right.

[lonewolf23k]

Well, I just saw "Dalek" tonight, and DAMN it rocked! ...I loved every second of it, doubly so every second the Dalek was on screen.. It wasn't just a killing machine, it was a killing machine with a personality... ...Nay, a soul. A Dark and Twisted soul, but a soul nonetheless.

...And it's interaction with the Doctor was fantastic. "You-would-make-a-good-Dalek"... Brilliant!

...I was actually sad to see it go in the end.. I can't wait for the Daleks to come back in the later episodes...

[Matt]

Yea one of the staples of the Dr's 950 years is that he has the Time Lords to complain about and now they are gone, wether he liked them or not, its still home and they are still family and Galifrey is responsible for who he is today. And it's all gone.

What would REALLY sting is that the Doctor reconciled (more or less) with his family not that long ago in Lungbarrow. Now they're all dead.

In Dr Who Confidential which focussed on Evil Geniuses (if thats a word) Russel Davies said that they wanted to keep away from The Master until they were sure they could do him right.

That's good to hear - it certainly does take exactly the right actor to do justice to the Master. He has to be not only evil ... but stylishly, brilliant evil.

[shades of eternity]

first episode of the new episode seen.

So impressed with the new series it's not even funny.

They must bring that dalek back :)

[roguespirit]

Every week after Dr Who there is a short documentary called Dr Who confidential and in every one Russel T Davies along with other members of the cast and crew give us their pearls of wisdom. Well the more I see and hear of RTD the less I like him. Don't get me wrong I respect that he has been able to bring the Dr back to us and his marketing ability. I respect the production values he has goven the show but I really don't think he truly understands the science fiction, I think he loves the Dr but ironically misses some of the essences of the Dr and more than anything I really really really really really really think he should stay away from scriptwriting.

[Dizzy D]

His goofiness actually makes sense - he's using his humour as a shield against the grief and guilt he feels over the events of the Last Great Time War.

It's quite common in real life - people who have serious problems in their lives (of all kinds) frequently become the 'class clown' in response.

I see his goofiness also a result of his confidence; he's basically mocking his opponents' arrogance. In the line of "That's your plan? I've seen better." There are moments where he drops the act, when he encounters real danger or sees something that really disgusts him (the Dalek for instance or the boy genius behaviour in the latest episode), but it takes more than a bunch of humans/aliens with guns. So I think his humor acts both as a shield against his grief and as a way for him to get on with his life, to see the funny things in life again.. and a lot of that is the stupidity of others.

[TCJohnson]

Anothing thing about his goofiness....I always saw it that he was hiding behind it. He knows he can be intimidaging and uses the goofiness to put his friends at ease and for his enemies to underestimate him.

[lonewolf23k]

first episode of the new episode seen.

So impressed with the new series it's not even funny.

They must bring that dalek back :)


I'm tempted to write a fan-fic where that Dalek, instead of being disintegrated, ends up being teleported elsewhere, where he encounters Davros (once again having arranged for his own survival) who was searching all of time and space to find a Dalek to recreate the species.. He discovers the Dalek's "genetic contamination" and decides to use it to recreate the Imperial Daleks...

...And that Dalek then begins a prisonner again, exploited for his genetic material to create new Daleks, and that's where the Doctor and companions come in again...

[shades of eternity]

That's the part I found kinda wierd

Near the end, It was begging for them to kill him, but if he could do it himself, why was he?

[leg end]

That's the part I found kinda wierd

Near the end, It was begging for them to kill him, but if he could do it himself, why was he?


I think the dalek needed orders to kill itself, but not really remembering properly- Dr. Who nights have become a staple diet of my friends and mine student life, so about 6-10 watch it and talk so might have missed something.

And the new ep (spoilers)-


rose going back to the point when her dad died and then saving him. It was ok, in parts predictable- the saving him, him having to die, don't touch your self cause of a paradox oh no you touched yourself... etc. But the inclusion of those time dragons added a neat twist to an overused cause and effect story.
Acting was generally good.
Biggest hate was the Doctor's 'death'. yeah, like the lead is gonna die in the middle of a series. right!
Overall, not the worst ep by far (farting aliens had that) but far from top of the game. Simply average IMHO.

[lonewolf23k]

That's the part I found kinda wierd

Near the end, It was begging for them to kill him, but if he could do it himself, why was he?


It was bred to be a Soldier, obeying orders from it's superior officers, or following the Dalek Directive (EXTERMINATE NON-DALEKS!) in absence of orders. Even if it wanted to die, it couldn't kill itself unless it was ordered..

[B. Herren]

I really enjoyed the new ep. It was a little predictable but the story wasn't really in the situation but the characters. The unfolding of events between Rose and the Doctor and Rose's father was very well done and heartbreaking to watch. As a father of two I could relate to the driving idea to the story of loss between parent and child. As much as you want to protect and sacrifice for a child as a parent, there is also the thought of self-preservation because you want to know that your child will be taken care of and guided, and that you will be there to experience their lives with them.

Very well done. Can't wait for the next.

[Haydn C]

Got to say that I agree with you there, you knew exactly where the story was going from the get go but the execution was excellent.

[The Fury]

I liked this episode, very nice. If not a bit predictable at times, but I think that was the point.


I have a question though, as a person unfamiliar with the whole Dr. Who stuff.

Other Timelords, have we seen any and what were they refered to as? So if The Dcotor is 'The Doctor', is there a 'Proffessor' or a 'Baker'?

[cactusmaac]

Very nice episode.

Best yet.

[TCJohnson]

There is the Master. He is a childhood friend of the Doctor who turned into one of his greatest enemies. A complete psychopath who wants to control everything. And anything he could not control he destroys.

There was the Rani (It is a title but not sure what it means). She did experiments in genetics and really didn't care what happened to her subjects when her experiements failed or when she was done with them.

There was Dax, somebody from the Doctor's home planet who flunked out of Time Lord School (Not all of the Doctor's people were Time Lords. The Time Lords were the ruling class.) He was a freelance mechanic.

The only other Time Lords they showed in Doctor Who was on the Doctor's home planet Gallifrey, and apparently they were more open about using their real names there. Most used their real names although others were called The Valyard (type of lawyer), President, Chancellor, Castellan,

[The Fury]

There is the Master. He is a childhood friend of the Doctor who turned into one of his greatest enemies. A complete psychopath who wants to control everything. And anything he could not control he destroys.

There was the Rani (It is a title but not sure what it means). She did experiments in genetics and really didn't care what happened to her subjects when her experiements failed or when she was done with them.

There was Dax, somebody from the Doctor's home planet who flunked out of Time Lord School (Not all of the Doctor's people were Time Lords. The Time Lords were the ruling class.) He was a freelance mechanic.

The only other Time Lords they showed in Doctor Who was on the Doctor's home planet Gallifrey, and apparently they were more open about using their real names there. Most used their real names although others were called The Valyard (type of lawyer), President, Chancellor, Castellan.
Thanks a lot.

I remember The Master now you've mentioned him, good to get some info on the whole thing, thanks.

[B. Herren]

I have to say after thinking about it. The Reapers concept is an unusual one for so far into continuity. The Doctor has stated before that time in in flux and can be altered. And there have no doubt been instances of time alteration before in the series but I don't remember there ever being so drastic of a temporal occurence as required Reapers before (I know that the Doctor states that before the Time Lords would have intervened first).

I can understand that this is a pretty drastic divergence in natural events with the Doctor and Rose doubling up in one spot and then Rose's actions not only keeping her father alive but also contradicting their reason for being there not once but twice over (when the first Doctor and Rose disappear). The paradox is so bad that it launches them into a Donnie Darko-ish pocket timeline. The Reapers seem to be a natural phenomenon of the universe trying to correct itself, but if the Reapers had killed Rose's father instead of the car would he had been wiped from existence instead of the timeline rewriting itself? And since the Doctor was a non-linear element in the timeline why was he death so easily undone?

Has there ever been a story in the history of Who that dealt with paradoxes like this before?

[Matt]

Seems that Rose will be leaving the show during Season 2. Interesting.

http://www.gallifreyone.com/newstv.php

[roguespirit]

I have to say after thinking about it. The Reapers concept is an unusual one for so far into continuity. The Doctor has stated before that time in in flux and can be altered. And there have no doubt been instances of time alteration before in the series but I don't remember there ever being so drastic of a temporal occurence as required Reapers before (I know that the Doctor states that before the Time Lords would have intervened first).

I can understand that this is a pretty drastic divergence in natural events with the Doctor and Rose doubling up in one spot and then Rose's actions not only keeping her father alive but also contradicting their reason for being there not once but twice over (when the first Doctor and Rose disappear). The paradox is so bad that it launches them into a Donnie Darko-ish pocket timeline. The Reapers seem to be a natural phenomenon of the universe trying to correct itself, but if the Reapers had killed Rose's father instead of the car would he had been wiped from existence instead of the timeline rewriting itself? And since the Doctor was a non-linear element in the timeline why was he death so easily undone?

Has there ever been a story in the history of Who that dealt with paradoxes like this before?


I chose to believe that Time is an almost organic structure so no 2 iparadoxical incidents will have exactly the same consequences. For instance smoking in some people causes cancers in others it causes lung disease in others it causes nothing remarkable at all.. Just as there are guidlines for the body but no hard and fast rukes so I have chosen to see time.

[roguespirit]

Seems that Rose will be leaving the show during Season 2. Interesting.

http://www.gallifreyone.com/newstv.php

Maybe choosing relatively unknown actors will add to the characters longevity. This is the shortest a Dr has ever lasted. Anyone know what the record is for a companion?

[Matt]

Sarah Kingdom was the shortest lived companion, though it's debatable whether or not she should even be counted. She was introduced and died in The Dalek's Masterplan back in the reign of the 1st Doctor.

[roguespirit]

Sarah Kingdom was the shortest lived companion, though it's debatable whether or not she should even be counted. She was introduced and died in The Dalek's Masterplan back in the reign of the 1st Doctor.

yea i was aware of her but I was sure wether to consider her a true companion

[Haydn C]

I've just read that that the Daily Star are reporting that Jennifer Ellison will be the new companion. Now bearing in mind that the source really couldn't be more unreliable, what do you think of the choice?

[shades of eternity]

Bring the rogue dalek back as his companion :)

[roguespirit]

did anybody else think that The Lonely Child was the creepiest bit of sci-fi TV since Sapphire and Steel

[Gaz]

did anybody else think that The Lonely Child was the creepiest bit of sci-fi TV since Sapphire and Steel
Oh yes. Although the phone ringing was funny, "It's not even a real phone, how can it be ringing?" :D

[traxler]

did anybody else think that The Lonely Child was the creepiest bit of sci-fi TV since Sapphire and Steel
What was creepy about Saphire and Steel?
I vaguely remember it.

[roguespirit]

What was creepy about Saphire and Steel?
I vaguely remember it.

There was a lot of suggested menace plus lots of children and ghostly nursery rhymes. I always find the use of children and childish paraphanalia particularly creepy.

Sapphire & Steel was a masterly series, way ahead of its time. Definetly worth watching.

Sapphire & Steel (http://www.anorakzone.com/sapphireandsteel/)

[Haydn C]

I tried to pick Sapphire & Steel up recently on DVD but can't find it anywhere at a resonable price which is a great shame, it was a damn fine piece of TV. It used to seriously freak me out when I was a little un like nothing else.

[Swingkid570]

Maybe choosing relatively unknown actors will add to the characters longevity. This is the shortest a Dr has ever lasted. Anyone know what the record is for a companion?

Adam- Dalek to The Long Game... ;)

[Copper]

Speaking of Sapphire and Steel, you all seen this yet?
Look In Picture Strip Homepage (http://www.lookinarchive.com/picturestrips.html)

[roguespirit]

Well we haven't had much chat on this thread lately which I find surprising because the last 2 parter The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances were nothing short of 'Fantastic'

My only concern now is that the remaining 4 episodes are all penned by Russell T Davies and unless he starts to take his writing chores seriously then I think the series has already seen its highest points.

[Gaz]

Well we haven't had much chat on this thread lately which I find surprising because the last 2 parter The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances were nothing short of 'Fantastic'

My only concern now is that the remaining 4 episodes are all penned by Russell T Davies and unless he starts to take his writing chores seriously then I think the series has already seen its highest points.
Well, the ending to The Doctor Dances was amazing, and totally out of left field. Chris' enthusiasm was PERFECT. "Everybody lives, Rose! Just this once!" "Oh, I'm aboslutely sure, but who with?" :D
And the humour was dead on,with the "sonic envy"! And Richard Wilson's last line. :p
Oooh! And the cliffhanger was great, and a perfect resolution, "Go to your room!" :eek:

[TCJohnson]

I loved that episode as well.

And my two favorite lines:

I am so glad that worked. Those would have been terrible last words.


I know how you feel. When we first met he blew up the place where I worked. With him it's practically a form of communication.

[Gaz]

I loved that episode as well.

And my two favorite lines:

I am so glad that worked. Those would have been terrible last words.


I know how you feel. When we first met he blew up the place where I worked. With him it's practically a form of communication.
Don't drop that banana!
Why not?
Good source of potassium!

Squareness gun? Like it.

A mouse in front of a lion...

How can you be ringing, you're not even a real phone!

[Dizzy D]

Mixed feelings about the new episode, but it is head-and-shoulders above the previous Slitheen episode.

The flatulence remained to a minimum except for the beginning.

Bad Wolf: The Doctor is finally noticing it himself. Good foreshadowing.

Some funny lines:
"She's escaping out of the window, isn't she?"
And the dinner with Margaret had both some funny scenes and some good serious stuff. I think it was the best part of the episode.

As for the other developments: I sympathise with Mickey. Yes, he's jealous of Rose and the Doctor, but he had a good point about Rose leaving him behind just like that. I think Rose realised that herself at the ending.

The bad parts:
How did 'Margaret' become mayor so quickly? I would have found it more believable if she had taken on a new skinsuit.
Jack was just there. He really didn't have anything to add to this episode (apart from the 'battle-plan')
The ending.

Next week's episode:


Parodies? Let's see how that will work out. And I wish they didn't add that last scene in the spoiler. I'm afraid it will spoil the suprise.

[Gaz]

Mixed feelings about the new episode, but it is head-and-shoulders above the previous Slitheen episode.

The flatulence remained to a minimum except for the beginning.

Bad Wolf: The Doctor is finally noticing it himself. Good foreshadowing.

Some funny lines:
"She's escaping out of the window, isn't she?"
And the dinner with Margaret had both some funny scenes and some good serious stuff. I think it was the best part of the episode.

As for the other developments: I sympathise with Mickey. Yes, he's jealous of Rose and the Doctor, but he had a good point about Rose leaving him behind just like that. I think Rose realised that herself at the ending.

The bad parts:
How did 'Margaret' become mayor so quickly? I would have found it more believable if she had taken on a new skinsuit.
Jack was just there. He really didn't have anything to add to this episode (apart from the 'battle-plan')
The ending.

Next week's episode:


Parodies? Let's see how that will work out. And I wish they didn't add that last scene in the spoiler. I'm afraid it will spoil the suprise.
It's not inconceivable, the real Margaret was a politician and with the right timing she could have gotten elected pretty quickly.
I liked the ending, even if it was a bit more sappy than usually works.

Loved the Doctor noticing the Welsh for "Bad Wolf", it even felt like he was trying to put Rose at ease rather than just ignoring it, like he wasn't thinking when he caught on and then decided to shield her.
The dinner is probably the best thing RTD has written all year.
I also enjoyed the trio's enthusiasm at the start. :D

I do agree that we didn't need to see the Daleks but it will boost ratings, I'd wager.

[Jack]

As for the other developments: I sympathise with Mickey. Yes, he's jealous of Rose and the Doctor, but he had a good point about Rose leaving him behind just like that. I think Rose realised that herself at the ending.I'd sympathise with Mickey except the Doctor gave him a chance to come with them the last time he showed up. Guilting Rose for not staying with him when he can come with her if he wants is unacceptable to me.

Personally I loved this episode. The scene where they march in to City Hall was wonderful. The whole sequence, not just the battle-plan. Likewise the dinner was perfect. "Did you know, that in extreme conditions, when her life is at risk, the female Blahdeblah can shoot a poison dart from her finger?" "Yes!"

I liked that obviously plenty of time had passed in between this episode and the last, and that Jack had settled in as a Companion. Personally I'd like him to stick around cause I really like him.

I didn't like the spoiler in the preview either, but they're going to be advertising it as a Dalek episode to get maximum viewers anyway.

[Loki]

There is the Master. He is a childhood friend of the Doctor who turned into one of his greatest enemies. A complete psychopath who wants to control everything. And anything he could not control he destroys.

Prior to being called the Master, he used the name Koschei, which is from Russian mythology iirc.

There was the Rani (It is a title but not sure what it means). She did experiments in genetics and really didn't care what happened to her subjects when her experiements failed or when she was done with them.

Rani is Hindu (?) for Queen.

There was Dax, somebody from the Doctor's home planet who flunked out of Time Lord School (Not all of the Doctor's people were Time Lords. The Time Lords were the ruling class.) He was a freelance mechanic.

The only other Time Lords they showed in Doctor Who was on the Doctor's home planet Gallifrey, and apparently they were more open about using their real names there. Most used their real names although others were called The Valyard (type of lawyer), President, Chancellor, Castellan,

Valeyard apparently translates to "Doctor of the Law", which is very appropriate as it turned out. Archaic English, I believe.

Other Timelords who used titles other than names included the War Chief (The War Games), the Monk / the Meddling Monk (The Time Meddler / The Dalek Masterplan - later named Mortimus in the books), Omega (The Three Doctors / The Five Doctors - his real name was revealed to be Palix in the audio play Omega) and The Magician (from the book Turlough: The Earthlink Dilemma).

[Gaz]

I'd sympathise with Mickey except the Doctor gave him a chance to come with them the last time he showed up. Guilting Rose for not staying with him when he can come with her if he wants is unacceptable to me.

Personally I loved this episode. The scene where they march in to City Hall was wonderful. The whole sequence, not just the battle-plan. Likewise the dinner was perfect. "Did you know, that in extreme conditions, when her life is at risk, the female Blahdeblah can shoot a poison dart from her finger?" "Yes!"

I liked that obviously plenty of time had passed in between this episode and the last, and that Jack had settled in as a Companion. Personally I'd like him to stick around cause I really like him.

I didn't like the spoiler in the preview either, but they're going to be advertising it as a Dalek episode to get maximum viewers anyway.
Yeah, and the flirting between him and the Doctor is fun. :D
Oh, and is it just me, or is the game show idea a bit odd for the Daleks?

[The Fury]

And I wish they didn't add that last scene in the spoiler. I'm afraid it will spoil the suprise.
Ditto on this, I wish I hadn't have seen the 'Nexty Episode' bit this week.

But this was a good episode. I'm liking the new time traveling bloke. Not playing a too major part but is there.

[Dizzy D]

I'd sympathise with Mickey except the Doctor gave him a chance to come with them the last time he showed up. Guilting Rose for not staying with him when he can come with her if he wants is unacceptable to me.

Not really the point I was sympathising with him on though. He said that he didn't want to keep Rose away from the Doctor, but that she just left him there and went with the Doctor in the first episode seemingly without giving it a second thought.. That must have hurt. If she had just turned around and had told him she loved him, but couldn't let a chance like that go, I would have respected her choice more. That was the point I think he had and in the she must have realised that things were not going to work between them.

I liked that obviously plenty of time had passed in between this episode and the last, and that Jack had settled in as a Companion. Personally I'd like him to stick around cause I really like him.

I like Jack as well (insert smiley if you want). I just wish they did more with him in this episode than being exposition device.

I didn't like the spoiler in the preview either, but they're going to be advertising it as a Dalek episode to get maximum viewers anyway.

I guess so. Anybody have the ratings on the last Dalek episode? My suspicion was that they would be very, very high, but I have no clue where to find out.

[roguespirit]

I was so po'ed. usually I don't watch the next episode stuff but this time I didn't make it to the remote in time. WHYYYYYYYY? they do this to me.

[The Fury]

I was so po'ed. usually I don't watch the next episode stuff but this time I didn't make it to the remote in time. WHYYYYYYYY? they do this to me.
I tell you what we should do.

All of us right to 'Points of View', until they stop showing so bloody much in the preview.

Unless people have already done that.

[shades of eternity]

here's a crazy idea. I doubt it's the bad wolf, but if it did, it would rock.

The very first Doctor had a companion named susan, who really believed, despite being human she refered to the doctor as her "grandfather."

Imagine using genetic tweaking to change herself over to have a similar genetic code, and is bitter over what her own experiences and the death of her adopted race, thanks to the doctor condemning the time lords in the war against the daleks.

She has been planning her revenge bit by bit, until the moment is revealed, and then, when the doctor is captured, she finally reveals herself with the words. "Hello Grandfather."

I think it would be tons oh fun. :)

[TCJohnson]

I thought that Empty Child/Doctor Dances were, combined, one of the best Doctor Who stories ever. Not THE best but deffinitely in the top 10 for me.

Then I thought Boomtown was one of the worst Doctor Who stories ever. Not THE worse, but deffinitely in the bottom 5...close to the Gunfighters which made my ears bleed and the desire to chew off my own ears.

[Matt]

The very first Doctor had a companion named susan, who really believed, despite being human she refered to the doctor as her "grandfather."

Susan was not human, she was definitely from Gallifrey.
Gallifrey's past, to be exact... (and here comes a long explanation of Susan's and the Doctor's origins which comes from the 7th Doctor novel 'Lungbarrow').
The novel is available for free on the BBC Dr Who website. It's a good read.

Back in the early days of the Time Lords, Gallifrey was run by a chap called Rassilon. He was a bit of a bastard and something of a tyrant, not afraid to have people removed if they got in his way. One of these removed people was The Pythia who could see the future but died during Rassilons revolutionary rise to power; when she died she cursed all Gallifreyans to be barren - there would be no more children born.

Rassilon had two advisors called Omega and The Other. Omega was the one chiefly responsible for the stellar manipulation work which lead directly to Gallifrey gaining Time Travel technology. The Other was a mysterious fellow who often argued with Rassilon and called him on being a ruthless bastard. The Other and Omega worked together to create 'The Hand of Omega'.

To get around the Pythia's curse, Rassilon had great genetic looms constructed, of which each Gallifreyan House would get one and a strict quota on how many house members ('cousins') they could make with it. The Looms worked quite well and the population didn't suffer despite the Curse.
One of these houses was called Lungbarrow (named after the mountain the family house was built on) of the Prydorian chapter.

The Other had a family during this turbulent time, including a grand daughter. Revolution and violence in the streets was common and The Other's arguments with Rassilon were only getting worse as Rassilon became more and more tyrannical. As riots ensued, The Other ordered Susan to flee to one of Gallifrey's colony worlds to safety while he went to confront Rassilon ... his reasoning didn't work and in frustration, The Other cast himself into Gallifrey's massive central Genetic Loom and vanished.

Rassilon quelled the rebellion and went on ruling Gallifrey for a very long time, introducing some of the more remarkable eras in Gallifreyan history. He fought a great war with Vampires from another universe, was instrumental in the development of the TARDIS' as well as uncountable other achievements. Eventually, his tyrannical behaviour was his undoing when the High Council overthrew him and sealed him away in stasis in the Death Zone.

Skip forward a couple of million years and the House of Lungbarrow was down one Cousin and thus loomed another as a replacement. Something went wrong though; this cousin came fully formed and screaming from the Loom, his first words were 'again...' and, unlike all other Gallifreyans, he had a bellybutton.

This Gallifreyan was brilliant and was prophecised to be the most influential Time Lord since Rassilon himself (who by now was regarded as a complete and utter hero). He didn't, however, like the Gallifreyan life style which was purposefully being held stagnant. He purposefully barely passed the Academy so he wouldn't be entrenched in a high level position and ended up working in a boring low level job. During his time at the Academy, this Time Lord took the name 'The Doctor' while some of his associates there took on similar titles such as 'The Master', 'The Rani' and 'The War Chief'.

The Doctor, who by this time was wearing the same blue ring The Other wore, quickly grew tired of Gallifrey and decided to leave for various reasons (long story in itself). On his way to the TARDIS repair bays, he was joined by a long black box which floated along - The Hand of Omega who seemed to recognise him as The Other, one of it's creators.

The Doctor found one Type 40 TARDIS, the last of it's kind, in holding dock. The Hand of Omega powered it up and started it on it's first flight - bypassing the inbuilt baffles - straight into Gallifrey's past (which broke the first Law of Time). There, the Doctor quickly encountered Susan (who had failed to get off Gallifrey and had to sell her books to survive) who, thanks to her strong innate telepathy, recognised him as her grandfather.

Rescuing Susan from her dire situation, the Doctor and Susan took off in the TARDIS and eventually made it to Earth in 1963 (where the Doctor immediately hid the Hand of Omega) ...

[Matt]

As for what happened to Susan after she left the TARDIS?

She stayed married to David for some time and was reasonably happy on Earth, helping rebuild the planet. She didn't age while David started to which kind of made things weird...
Anyhow, a couple of decades later The Master comes along and causes some trouble. In the ensuing mayhem, the Master kills David and kidnaps Susan before making off with her in his TARDIS.
Susan's innate telepathy, magnified by her grief over David's death, floods through the TARDIS's telepathic circuits and stuns the Master (who previously didn't have a clue she was a Time Lord). He gets grievously injured at this time and Susan dumps him on a barren planetoid and takes off again, leaving the Master to die all alone...

... until a high ranking Time Lord called Goth happens to come across the rotting body of the Master and smuggles him back onto Gallifrey (which leads directly into 'The Deadly Assassin').

All that being said - I'd really like to see a regenerated Susan rejoin the Doctor on his adventures.

[Gaz]

I thought that Empty Child/Doctor Dances were, combined, one of the best Doctor Who stories ever. Not THE best but deffinitely in the top 10 for me.

Then I thought Boomtown was one of the worst Doctor Who stories ever. Not THE worse, but deffinitely in the bottom 5...close to the Gunfighters which made my ears bleed and the desire to chew off my own ears.
What was so bad?
(If it's the TARDIS ex machina, that idea came from the books, I believe, although Matt will, obviously, know better)

[roguespirit]

As for what happened to Susan after she left the TARDIS?

She stayed married to David for some time and was reasonably happy on Earth, helping rebuild the planet. She didn't age while David started to which kind of made things weird...
Anyhow, a couple of decades later The Master comes along and causes some trouble. In the ensuing mayhem, the Master kills David and kidnaps Susan before making off with her in his TARDIS.
Susan's innate telepathy, magnified by her grief over David's death, floods through the TARDIS's telepathic circuits and stuns the Master (who previously didn't have a clue she was a Time Lord). He gets grievously injured at this time and Susan dumps him on a barren planetoid and takes off again, leaving the Master to die all alone...

... until a high ranking Time Lord called Goth happens to come across the rotting body of the Master and smuggles him back onto Gallifrey (which leads directly into 'The Deadly Assassin').

All that being said - I'd really like to see a regenerated Susan rejoin the Doctor on his adventures.


I thought she was Gallifreyan but not a timelord. Wasn't she born before Rassilon provided the ability for Galifreyans to regenerate?

[Matt]

What was so bad?
(If it's the TARDIS ex machina, that idea came from the books, I believe, although Matt will, obviously, know better)

I haven't seen Boom Town yet and won't be for a few days - explain the circumstances for me, please.

[Gaz]

I haven't seen Boom Town yet and won't be for a few days - explain the circumstances for me, please.
You asked, and it's aired everywhere that's relevant, right?





OK, the last Slitheen rigs her escape device to leech off the TARDIS's power, but the Doctor then explains, as a hatch in the centre console opens, that the TARDIS is alive, and that it will protect itself. The "Heart of the TARDIS" emerges, captivating her, and the energies cause her to regress back to being an egg...

[Matt]

I thought she was Gallifreyan but not a timelord. Wasn't she born before Rassilon provided the ability for Galifreyans to regenerate?

Sort of. The precise way that Gallifreyans became Time Lords (with the ability to regenerate and having two hearts, etc) is still something that hasn't been 100% explained and is still rather murky.

One story is that Rassilon had a 'disease' released which, in reality, were nanobots. These nanobots killed 10% of the population, made pretty much everyone sick for a short time but gave 10% of the population the abilities of a Time Lord as we know them today. These nanobots can fully regenerate a body twelve times before they wear out.

This seems to make sense since we know the 1st Doctor only had one heart and didn't seem physically different from Humans in any hugely noticable way. Upon regeneration, the nanobots probably redesigned his entire internal structure - creating a second heart and respiratory bypass system among other things.

Another story is that those Gallifreyans that were Loomed into existence are the real Time Lords, with genetic benefits being programed into the Looms to make their product being superior. This story doesn't quite mesh as well as the nanobot theory. Then again, the truth may be a mixture of the two.

One thing that is known, however, is that somehow Rassilon made himself truly immortal which is why the High Council shoved him in stasis rather than execute him.

Getting back to Susan - ancient Gallifreyans were all strongly telepathic (as shown in the novel Time's Crucible, though they largely lost that ability when whatever changed them to Time Lords was introduced) and we know that Susan has massive, though untrained and largely untapped, telepathy. Lungbarrow places her birth some time shortly before the fall of the Pythia and the rise of Rassilon.

However, if the nanobot/disease story is true then there is no reason at all that she could not have become a Time Lord after her birth.

[Matt]

OK, the last Slitheen rigs her escape device to leech off the TARDIS's power, but the Doctor then explains, as a hatch in the centre console opens, that the TARDIS is alive, and that it will protect itself. The "Heart of the TARDIS" emerges, captivating her, and the energies cause her to regress back to being an egg...

It's been hinted at and flat out stated (all the way since The Tenth Planet) that the TARDIS is alive in some sense so that's just fine.
We also know that it will take steps on it's own to protect itself and the Doctor - in the past it has electrified the console, made the doors disapear, automatically shifted it's own location, etc.

This 'heart of TARDIS' thing is new, though. Obviously, I haven't seen the episode but the only 'heart' I know of is the ship based Eye of Harmony which powers the TARDIS. Then again, with Gallifrey gone and thus the main planet based Eye gone with it and no longer there for the TARDIS to draw power from ... it's anyone's guess how the TARDIS is powered now (though I've heard that's explained in the new novel The Gallifrey Chronicles).

The time regression thing is also new; I can't recall the TARDIS ever demonstrating that ability. Nor can I recall anyone ever being able to siphon of the TARDIS' power for their own use - yes, the TARDIS has suffered power drains before on numerous occassions but that power was never used as such.

[Matt]

I've thought of one incident which had some sort of time manipulation like what you describe, actually.
Mark of the Rani, wherein the Doctor sabotage's the Rani's TARDIS so that when she takes off a Tyrannosaurus egg she has onboard suddenly and dramatic hatches and the dinosaur inside grows to full size in a few scant moments.

Opposite direction to what you describe but still, in a way, related.

[Gaz]

It's been hinted at and flat out stated (all the way since The Tenth Planet) that the TARDIS is alive in some sense so that's just fine.
We also know that it will take steps on it's own to protect itself and the Doctor - in the past it has electrified the console, made the doors disapear, automatically shifted it's own location, etc.

This 'heart of TARDIS' thing is new, though. Obviously, I haven't seen the episode but the only 'heart' I know of is the ship based Eye of Harmony which powers the TARDIS. Then again, with Gallifrey gone and thus the main planet based Eye gone with it and no longer there for the TARDIS to draw power from ... it's anyone's guess how the TARDIS is powered now (though I've heard that's explained in the new novel The Gallifrey Chronicles).

The time regression thing is also new; I can't recall the TARDIS ever demonstrating that ability. Nor can I recall anyone ever being able to siphon of the TARDIS' power for their own use - yes, the TARDIS has suffered power drains before on numerous occassions but that power was never used as such.
Well, the Rift, from The Unquiet Dead, apparantly generates energy that's compatable with the TARDIS, which is why The Doctor, Rose and Jack are in Cardiff in Boom Town.

[TCJohnson]

What was so bad?
(If it's the TARDIS ex machina, that idea came from the books, I believe, although Matt will, obviously, know better)

Actually, that idea came from the second or third episode of Doctor Who ever, when the TARDIS was leaving clues that it was in danger. The fact that the TARDIS has had some sentience to it has been around forever. Although i did hate the way it just rose out of the console like that. I thought that was very cheesy.

I hated the fact that the Doctor was so willing to take somebody to their execution. The Doctor has always only killed as the very last resort, when there are no other options. Why couldn't the Doctor left her on another planet with no intelligent life where she would be able to use her hunting skills? That would be preferable to the death sentence. One of the things that is important to me about the Doctor's character is that causing somebody's death is always the last resort. They did a great job of it in Rose when he wanted to talk to the nestene (sp?) before using his weapon. They dropped the ball here.

I usually like Micky's character but in this epsiode just really annoyed me. Micky's motivation made no sense. He was upset that Rose went off without him, chose the Doctor over him. He had the chance to go with them! He was invited! But he knew the life wasn't for him. He made the choice.

The humor...just didn't make me laugh. Most of the attempts at humor was just not my cup of tea. Instead of liking the humor it made me just want to fast forward through the scene.

All the drama seemed really forced to me. Instead of things that are naturally there the dramatic situations seemed liked they had to be created just to fill the script.

[Gaz]

Actually, that idea came from the second or third episode of Doctor Who ever, when the TARDIS was leaving clues that it was in danger. The fact that the TARDIS has had some sentience to it has been around forever. Although i did hate the way it just rose out of the console like that. I thought that was very cheesy.

I hated the fact that the Doctor was so willing to take somebody to their execution. The Doctor has always only killed as the very last resort, when there are no other options. Why couldn't the Doctor left her on another planet with no intelligent life where she would be able to use her hunting skills? That would be preferable to the death sentence. One of the things that is important to me about the Doctor's character is that causing somebody's death is always the last resort. They did a great job of it in Rose when he wanted to talk to the nestene (sp?) before using his weapon. They dropped the ball here.

I usually like Micky's character but in this epsiode just really annoyed me. Micky's motivation made no sense. He was upset that Rose went off without him, chose the Doctor over him. He had the chance to go with them! He was invited! But he knew the life wasn't for him. He made the choice.

The humor...just didn't make me laugh. Most of the attempts at humor was just not my cup of tea. Instead of liking the humor it made me just want to fast forward through the scene.

All the drama seemed really forced to me. Instead of things that are naturally there the dramatic situations seemed liked they had to be created just to fill the script.

The Ninth Doctor is very unforgiving of genocidal sociopaths though. He's quick to try and kill the Dalek and lets Cassandra die. And he only interferes when something is a major threat, she broke the law and is going to be punished according to Raxocoricophalibetorian (not even close to the spelling, I bet) law, it's not his place to pass judgement on another society if they're mostly peaceful. You don't see him breaking serial killers out of Death Row, do you? This is the kind of situation he rarely deals with too, he usually saves the day and then leaves everyone else to clear up the mess. This time it was his choice if how to deal with her, and he decided to hand her over to the authorities, not lightly, but it was the best solution available. (He didn't kill the Daleks, way back when, and look what happened)
The dinner scene and the drama were well done, I felt, maybe the best stuff he's written so far.
Mickey, while I agree he was misused here (slapstick comedy?) has a point, he's not complaining so much about Rose leaving, but that she expects him to wait and be at her beck and call whenever they happen to stop by present day Earth.
Humour? That's subjective, I did enjoy her trying to kill him, and her escape route, and the TARDIS trio's excitement.
Oh, and the Bad Wolf realisation by the Doctor was good.

[TCJohnson]

but he didn't kill the Dalek. He almost did but Rose helped him come to his senses. That is one of the reasons I liked that episode so much.

With Cassandra, he didn't really do anything. He just stood back and watch the natural process take over. Honestly, that bothered me as well but there was enough other things in the episode that I enjoyed that made up for it.

I don't see him breaking killers out of death row, but I don't see him putting them on death row either. Do you?

Really, I am not going to debate you on this. These are how I feel about the episode, you are not going to change my mind and I am not going to change yours. If you enjoyed it, great, but I didn't. What more needs to be said?

[Gaz]

but he didn't kill the Dalek. He almost did but Rose helped him come to his senses. That is one of the reasons I liked that episode so much.

With Cassandra, he didn't really do anything. He just stood back and watch the natural process take over. Honestly, that bothered me as well but there was enough other things in the episode that I enjoyed that made up for it.

I don't see him breaking killers out of death row, but I don't see him putting them on death row either. Do you?

Really, I am not going to debate you on this. These are how I feel about the episode, you are not going to change my mind and I am not going to change yours. If you enjoyed it, great, but I didn't. What more needs to be said?
Well, he's not really doing anything here, either, he was letting her own society handle it. Now the fact that she had done things, like genocide, that warranted capital punishment, is unfortunate, but ultimately, not his problem.
And Rose wasn't around this time, and having her planet nearly blown up might make her less compassionate.
But you're right, I really enjoyed this one, not as much as Dalek, or the last 2-parter, but it was good. You didn't feel that way, and that's you, which is cool.
Can we agree that the "Bad Wolf" scene was well-executed "It's following us, two words: Bad Wolf..."?

[TCJohnson]

And if the Doctor is going to go around acting like excecutioner, then that is really not a series I am going to enjoy. What I loved about the original is he tried to find the best solution for everybody, and only killed somebody as a dead last resort. He was a peaceful hero and really tried his hardest to find peaceful ways to solve things, unlike other heroes that claim to be peaceful. That is what made Doctor Who unique to me. The Doctor loves life, not just his own but those of others as well. Daleks, Cybermen...they are no longer really living, but are creatures cheating death through artificial means.

If they are going to take that peace loving aspect away from Doctor Who, then this is not a series I am interested in watching.

[roguespirit]

its actually the furst time I haven't found Russell T Davies humour intrusive

[Gaz]

And if the Doctor is going to go around acting like excecutioner, then that is really not a series I am going to enjoy. What I loved about the original is he tried to find the best solution for everybody, and only killed somebody as a dead last resort. He was a peaceful hero and really tried his hardest to find peaceful ways to solve things, unlike other heroes that claim to be peaceful. That is what made Doctor Who unique to me. The Doctor loves life, not just his own but those of others as well. Daleks, Cybermen...they are no longer really living, but are creatures cheating death through artificial means.

If they are going to take that peace loving aspect away from Doctor Who, then this is not a series I am interested in watching.
Hey, after last week, can you really say he's not still that guy?
But, OK, if she was just going to be imprisoned, would you have minded him taking her back as much?

[Dizzy D]

I talked about ratings a bit back, so thanks to Outpost Gallifrey (apologies if these are not in chronological order):
Rose: 10.81 million
The End of the World: 7.97 million
The Unquiet Dead: 8.86 million
Aliens of London: 7.63 million
World War Three: 7.98 million
Dalek: 8.63 million
Father's Day: 7.47 million
The Long Game: 8.01 million
The Doctor Dances: 6.17 million
Empty Child: 7.11 million
Boom Town: 7.13 million (overnights, not BARB ratings yet)

So far it seems that Daleks do attract viewers, though . I wonder though why the Unquiet Dead had so many viewers? Nothing on the other channels?

[Matt]

The Doctor isn't exactly squeeky clean when it comes to death and murder.
For example;
The first Doctor came extremely close to smashing in a caveman's skull with a rather large rock in the very first transmitted story, The Unearthly Child.
The Sixth Doctor killed Shockeye in The Two Doctors.
The Seventh stood back and let the Ancient One kill Fenric in The Curse of Fenric and apparently planned it all the way along.
The Eighth detonated his TARDIS and retroactively wiped out the entire Kasterborus sector, including Gallifrey in The Ancestor Cell.

On a note about TARDIS power sources; for much of the TARDIS' existence, it's primary power source was the Eye of Harmony on Gallifrey. However, circa Ancestor Cell novels have clearly shown that it can just as easily survive off other power sources if it needs to. For example, the TARDIS was thought destroyed but was merely flung into the Time Vortex for 5,000 years - while there it sustained itself on the energies being released by the Bottled Universe created by I.M. Foreman.

[Matt]

Actually, that idea came from the second or third episode of Doctor Who ever, when the TARDIS was leaving clues that it was in danger.

Inside the Spaceship, AKA The Edge of Destruction - nice call, I'd forgotten that story.
Of course, considering how bad a story it is (it was created on the spur of the moment as nothing more than filler) that's not surprising...

[Copper]

I kind of put the Second Doctor's willingness to send the Ice Warrior Fleet into orbit around the sun in the Seeds of Death as a precedent also. :)

[Gaz]

However, if the trailer is any indication, the Ninth is a bit incompetent when it comes to genocide...

[Matt]

However, if the trailer is any indication, the Ninth is a bit incompetent when it comes to genocide...

Yes ... well, incompetent is probably a good way of describing many of the Ninth Doctor's characteristics at the moment... so far his track record isn't so good.

[Gaz]

Yes ... well, incompetent is probably a good way of describing many of the Ninth Doctor's characteristics at the moment... so far his track record isn't so good.
Considering this is the last we're gonna see, apart from the books...
And he's done OK, he managed a "no body count" win, that's rare, isn't it?

[Matt]

However, he's made some horribly daft mistakes.
For example;
Telling Van Statten (who he knows collects all things alien) that he himself is an alien and, as a bonus, the last of his people.
Not seeing the Millenium Wheel as a candidate for being the transmitter.
Being tricked completely by the Gelth with a ruse anyone could see through.
Falling for the Slitheens plans which meant the World's experts on aliens all gathered in the one place, not realising it until it was far too late.
Not generally having a single clue when dealing with The Editor and Max, resulting in getting captured yet again.

In fact, the Doctor seems to be getting captured more now than ever before in his long history. The only story where he's appeared to be fully competent so far was The End of the World.

[The Fury]

I thought this new episode was great. Corny robots, as it should be.

I'm really liking the character of Captain Jack, He's like the hard hitter of the group, good in dangerous situations.

[Gaz]

I thought this new episode was great. Corny robots, as it should be.

I'm really liking the character of Captain Jack, He's like the hard hitter of the group, good in dangerous situations.
Seperating the trio worked really quite well. They had to play to their strengths to escape/survive, The Doctor's mind, Jack's fighting, Rose's memory/dumb luck.

[leg end]

Wow, the latest episode was incredible.
The humour resonating from modern day societies obsession with reality t.v. was spot on.
The characters themselves all performed well despite being seperated, especially Captain Jack who I really like now- I hope he doesn't die.
The Dalek's having used the Doctor for the length of the series was cool.
The Doctor's speech at the end was brilliant- no weapons, no plan, no hope and the Daleks are scared!!!

Whilst this Doctor has made mistakes his sheer confidence in himself wins me over. I can't wait for the finale.

[Deathstroke]

The show has been renewed for a 3rd season including a second Xmas special, and Billie Piper will now appear in all the 2nd season episodes.

[Gaz]

The show has been renewed for a 3rd season including a second Xmas special, and Billie Piper will now appear in all the 2nd season episodes.
And John Barrowman will appear in several second season episodes, although not the early ones.

[The Fury]

They left him behind. Poor Captain Jack.

A great episode. Nice end to the series.

[Gaz]

I believe he has signed on for season 2, so the 10th Doctor and Rose will bump into him again at some point.

[Gaz]

Oh, and Matt? REGENERATION, BABY! :p

[The Fury]

I believe he has signed on for season 2, so the 10th Doctor and Rose will bump into him again at some point.
I had heard. And good to it. Great character.

Looking forward to Crimbo.

[Smell]

What a great end to the first series. This has been the best saturday night entertainment that the BBC have put out in years. I loved it.

Thats not to say there are holes, large holes in the storylines that I seemed to have missed, but I'm willing to gloss over them for the moment, but not for too long, the next Doctor, better be quick with some explanations, to really keep me involved!

Dom

smells like a tardis

[Matt]

Oh, and Matt? REGENERATION, BABY! :p

Yes, I knew that would happen.
I read spoilers for POTW around a week ago.

I haven't, however, actually seen the episode yet and won't be for at least another week so I won't be passing judgement on the whole Rose=God thing.

[Gaz]

Yes, I knew that would happen.
I read spoilers for POTW around a week ago.

I haven't, however, actually seen the episode yet and won't be for at least another week so I won't be passing judgement on the whole Rose=God thing.
It's not so much Rose=God as Rose=TARDIS. Some of the dialogue sounds more like it's coming from that big blue box than from her.

[leg end]

WOW BABY!!!

The final ep was simply wonderful. A great end to the series.

I loved so much about it, especially Captain Jack. His goodbye kisses to both the Doctor and Rose and his death/rejuvenation were well handled. I really belived he had been killed.

Plus, I was led to believe that Eccleston would be ending his run in the christmas special however his death and the rejuvenation were brilliant.

I am concerned about one thing- will the new Doctor be as fun/entertaining/emotive as Eccleston and will he have his own character?

[The Fury]

I am concerned about one thing- will the new Doctor be as fun/entertaining/emotive as Eccleston and will he have his own character?
I'm hopign that he isn't like the Eccleston Doctor. and that's the way it should be. each Doctor has their own personality right?

It would be a shame if they changed that.

[Gaz]

I'm hopign that he isn't like the Eccleston Doctor. and that's the way it should be. each Doctor has their own personality right?

It would be a shame if they changed that.
I think people are worried because he was still in the jeans and leather coat, that he'll be the same.
He'll be in whatever his costume is in Christmas Invasion, and we'll see what little quirks the Tenth Doctor has.

[leg end]

What I meant was that the Eccleston Doctor has been a joy to watch for fans and non-fans. He simply connected well with people due to his humour, confidence, occasional insanity and brilliant emotional responses (all performed well by Eccleston).
Since the new Doctor will have a different personality, will he be as enjoyable to watch and as accessible to viewers who aren't long term fans.
There have been several Doctor's that I have disliked and as such failed to enjoy the episdoes they featured in. I only hope that they manage to find the balance between having a new personality and keeping the character as interesting and entertaining as Eccleston's (too short lived) version.

[Jack]

Tennant is a very charming and funny actor... I'm more worried about whether or not he has the range of Ecclestone, who could be nasty just as easily as he could nice, than if he can be accessible to viewers.

I liked the last episode, but I wouldn't say it was one of my favourites. The whole deus ex machina ending was... well, a massive deus ex machina. Literally in fact.

[Gaz]

Tennant is a very charming and funny actor... I'm more worried about whether or not he has the range of Ecclestone, who could be nasty just as easily as he could nice, than if he can be accessible to viewers.

I liked the last episode, but I wouldn't say it was one of my favourites. The whole deus ex machina ending was... well, a massive deus ex machina. Literally in fact.
Which sorta makes it slightly less repulsive, oddly. :D

[Dizzy D]

They left Jack behind.. aw.. I guess the world isn't ready for bisexual action heroes.

I also didn't like the deus ex machine ending that much, though I did like the suprise with Bad Wolf. Something completely different than anybody expected (*counts down till the cries from jaded viewers come that they saw it coming a mile away*.)

Definitely not post-regenerative stress disorder this time, quick and clean it seems. I haven't seen Casanova, but I loved Tennant in Blackpool, so I have a good feeling about him... *looks over IMDB.* Hey, he has been involved with a Dr. Who project before. Interesting.

[boggle]

Fantastic last episode..... The Doctor summed it up for me with his.... "Rose Tyler, you were fantastic....and you know what, so was I"..... comment.

Absolutely genius programme....cant wait to see what David Tennant brings to the character......but Chris will be missed.

[Gaz]

They left Jack behind.. aw.. I guess the world isn't ready for bisexual action heroes.

I also didn't like the deus ex machine ending that much, though I did like the suprise with Bad Wolf. Something completely different than anybody expected (*counts down till the cries from jaded viewers come that they saw it coming a mile away*.)

Definitely not post-regenerative stress disorder this time, quick and clean it seems. I haven't seen Casanova, but I loved Tennant in Blackpool, so I have a good feeling about him... *looks over IMDB.* Hey, he has been involved with a Dr. Who project before. Interesting.
David's a big Who fan, he's been quite a few of the audio stories, in various roles.

[Jack]

I seem to have a somewhat indirect connection to the guy who does continuity checking on the scripts, interestingly enough.

[ChrisII]

I'm sure we'll see some post-regeneration instability in Christmas Invasion. Probably not in the style of Colin Baker, though...


Also, Michael Grade, of all people, likes the new show:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/cult/news/drwho/2005/06/21/20120.shtml

[Spike-X]

Time to bump this for the Aussies, who have (hopefully) just now seen the final episode in the first series.

Wow. Eccleston's Doctor was fucking hardcore. And funny. And arrogant. And charming. And the chemistry with Rose...and...and...

Wow.

[king mob]

This coming Friday the Children In Need mini-episode is being shown.This is a link between the first series and The Christmas Invasion.

Have a look at some grabs.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v322/bingo99/DoctorWho003.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v322/bingo99/DoctorWho002.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v322/bingo99/DoctorWho001.jpg

It's only four minutes long but looks to be a nice little treat to tide us over for the next 6/7 weeks.

[ChrisII]

The mini-episode will be online here (The teaser trailer is currently on the site):

http://www.bbc.co.uk/pudsey/appealnight/doctor_who_special.shtml


BTW here's a fun fan-site based on the recent Cybermen pics:

http://www.cybuscorporation.com/

[LtK-Dragon]

They left Jack behind.. aw.. I guess the world isn't ready for bisexual action heroes.

Don't worry, he stars in the Doctor Who spin-off Torchwood (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torchwood).

[king mob]

That was fucking wonderful and nearly worth enduring Jordan and Peter Andre singing...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/

[Gaz]

That was fucking wonderful and nearly worth enduring Jordan and Peter Andre singing...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/
B-b-but I want MOOORE!
How come the Doctor's all nutso?Apart from just the whole "vortex messed the regen up" thing? Is he gonna be like that for a while, or just the special?
Gahhh, DAMN YOU RUSSELL DAVIES!

[LtK-Dragon]

B-b-but I want MOOORE!
How come the Doctor's all nutso?Apart from just the whole "vortex messed the regen up" thing? Is he gonna be like that for a while, or just the special?
Gahhh, DAMN YOU RUSSELL DAVIES!
From wikipedia: The Christmas Invasion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Christmas_Invasion)

According to Billie Piper, the Doctor "stays in bed for a long, long time. I am carrying most of the show."

[ChrisII]

In previous post-regeneration stories, the Doctor is a little bit amnesiac, tired, and manic before his new body settles down-we didn't see this really with Eccleston (Who had time for his regeneration to 'settle' apparentally before "Rose" although he hadn't looked at a mirror yet) but every other Doctor apart from the first has had this issue.

[Gaz]

In previous post-regeneration stories, the Doctor is a little bit amnesiac, tired, and manic before his new body settles down-we didn't see this really with Eccleston (Who had time for his regeneration to 'settle' apparentally before "Rose" although he hadn't looked at a mirror yet) but every other Doctor apart from the first has had this issue.
I know that, but it's not usually this intense, and he specifically says that something's wrong.

[Deathstroke]

There was a report that Billie Piper had left the show and then another report that quoted her calling that story rubbish.

This isn't the older story, but rather a newer one in the last few days.

[king mob]

It's still unclear whether Piper will leave, it's certain she will at some point as her career is growing.Plus it's what Who is about, it's always had change and hopefully they find someone as good as she is when she does leave.

[ChrisII]

It was pretty bad in Castrovalva-"Don't you understand? The regeneration is failing!"

[SUPERECWFAN1]

I saw the 1996 TV Movie with Eric Roberts. No idea what anyone thinks since thier better Dr.Who fans than me. I thought it was an ok TV Movie and all.

Just a question. Did the TV Movie have any effect on the series over in Britian or did they ignore it ?

[Gaz]

I saw the 1996 TV Movie with Eric Roberts. No idea what anyone thinks since thier better Dr.Who fans than me. I thought it was an ok TV Movie and all.

Just a question. Did the TV Movie have any effect on the series over in Britian or did they ignore it ?
It counts. Paul McGann is considered the Eighth Doctor, which is why Eccleston is 9 and Tennant 10.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

It counts. Paul McGann is considered the Eighth Doctor, which is why Eccleston is 9 and Tennant 10.


Cool....these Doctors...how many were there and how long did each get to be the Doctor ? It sounds pretty cool I think.

[Gaz]

Cool....these Doctors...how many were there and how long did each get to be the Doctor ? It sounds pretty cool I think.
10 official ones so far.
David Tennant, Chris Eccleston, Paul McGann, Sylvester McCoy, Colin Baker, Peter Davison, Tom Baker, Jon Pertwee, Patrick Troughton and William Hartnell. That's all the actors, in reverse order, from current to first.

[Tadhg]

Cool....these Doctors...how many were there and how long did each get to be the Doctor ? It sounds pretty cool I think.

http://www.gallifreyone.com

[SUPERECWFAN1]

http://www.gallifreyone.com


Cool thanks for the info. Nice readin about these doctors and all. ;)

[lonewolf23k]

10 official ones so far.
David Tennant, Chris Eccleston, Paul McGann, Sylvester McCoy, Colin Baker, Peter Davison, Tom Baker, Jon Pertwee, Patrick Troughton and William Hartnell. That's all the actors, in reverse order, from current to first.


...10 Doctors.. ...Considering that Timelords have 12 total Regenerations, that means that the Doctor's approaching the end of his existance..

[king mob]

...10 Doctors.. ...Considering that Timelords have 12 total Regenerations, that means that the Doctor's approaching the end of his existance..


Well Tennant intends to be around for a while and i'm sure they can sort something out.After all The Master used all his up and was offered a whole new set of regenerations in The Five Doctors.

No, i haven't turned into a Who geek and bought a shitload of DVD's off Ebay a year ago, honest....

[Gaz]

Well Tennant intends to be around for a while and i'm sure they can sort something out.After all The Master used all his up and was offered a whole new set of regenerations in The Five Doctors.

No, i haven't turned into a Who geek and bought a shitload of DVD's off Ebay a year ago, honest....
Besides, 12 Regenerations=13 bodies, so there's still 3 to go.

[DoubleWide]

Wasn't one of the Doctors future regenerations supposed to turn evil? :confused: Or will that little plot line from "Trial Of A Time Lord" be ignored? :confused:

[Tadhg]

Wasn't one of the Doctors future regenerations supposed to turn evil? :confused: Or will that little plot line from "Trial Of A Time Lord" be ignored? :confused:

The Valeyard was an amalgamation of all the Doctor's evil somewhere "between his 12th and final incarnation." They put it that way to be intentionally confusing, meaning that while he was the Doctor, he wasn't a proper regeneration. Plus, Dr. Who has never had the strictest adherence to continuity.

[king mob]

Dr. Who has never had the strictest adherence to continuity.

And thank god for that.When it did try to stick to tight continuity it ended up killing the show.

[ChrisII]

The Eigth Doctor, although there were no more TV adventures other than the movie, has appeared in adventures on audio (Played once again by Paul Mcgann) and in print (novels and comic strips).
The continuity of the Eigth Doctor adventures is a little confused, though, because the audios have recently started to be more independent from the novel series. For instance, both "War Of The Daleks"-a novel-and Terror Firma-an audio-are both stories with totally different takes on Davros's fate post-"Rememberance Of The Daleks".

[Tadhg]

The continuity of the Eigth Doctor adventures is a little confused, though, because the audios have recently started to be more independent from the novel series. For instance, both "War Of The Daleks"-a novel-and Terror Firma-an audio-are both stories with totally different takes on Davros's fate post-"Rememberance Of The Daleks".

That's because War of the Daleks and Legacy of the Daleks were terrible.

[lonewolf23k]

The Valeyard was an amalgamation of all the Doctor's evil somewhere "between his 12th and final incarnation." They put it that way to be intentionally confusing, meaning that while he was the Doctor, he wasn't a proper regeneration. Plus, Dr. Who has never had the strictest adherence to continuity.

Also, the Time War might have muddled things a whole lot. If all the Time Lords are dead now, isn't it impossible for the Valeyard to go back to the Doctor's Trial?

[ChrisII]

True :)


I think a lot of fans mainly place the audios and comics before the novels (Ditto with the Seventh Doctor audios and BBC novels-set before the New Adventures)-and "war" is mainly ignored.

However, if you count the novels You have to accept that Gallifrey is destroyed twice-once in "The Ancestor Cell" and then again between the "Gallifrey Chronicles" (Which has the Doctor begin to bring Gallifrey back) and "Rose" in the time war.

[Ravenheart]

Has it been announced when the Christmas special will air?

[ChrisII]

Christmas :)

Apparentally the new boxed set containing all the episodes as well as special features just came out in Britain. A region 1 release-however, limited to Canada (Shouldn't be too hard to order it off the 'net, though)-is on it's way this February.

[The Fury]

Apparentally the new boxed set containing all the episodes as well as special features just came out in Britain. A region 1 release-however, limited to Canada (Shouldn't be too hard to order it off the 'net, though)-is on it's way this February.
Out tomorrow (21st) infact: Link. (http://www.play.com/play247.asp?page=title&r=R2&title=632679&p=57&g=72&pa=sr)

As for Region 1 release, I can't find it.

[Tadhg]

As for Region 1 release, I can't find it.

It was announced mid-october by the BBC, Canadian release is Feb. 14th. Personally, I pre-ordered the British boxset the moment is was available from CD-WOW. I should get it in a week or so.

[LtK-Dragon]

I just noticed, at the end of the special the Cloister bell is ringing.

[king mob]

Has it been announced when the Christmas special will air?


Christmas Day.

[king mob]

The viewing figures are in.


Between 8-10 the BBC hung around the 9.7 million viewers mark with a peak at 9pm of 10.3 million for Dr Who.

That's just a tad impressive considering it was a Friday night as well.

[Ravenheart]

A new commercial for "The Christmas Invasion"

Since its airing Christmas Day in England I guess we won't get to see it here in Canada until the new year.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/ram/nb/xmas_trail_gerkinsmash_16x9_nb.asx

[king mob]

It's also airing in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland too!


Tennant is currently playing a psycho ex-boyfriend in a surprisingly good ITV drama series. Sadly we won't have the Doctor saying lines like "i've come in that mouth", but we can but hope...

[king mob]

First new website up and it's got some huge references to Quatermass which is wonderful.

http://www.guinevere.org.uk/index.html

[king mob]

Oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!


That was bloody brilliant. Seriously brilliant and worth leaving the pub for!
Big spaceships, political satire, a new Doctor, Billie Piper acting her socks off and a nice cup of tea.

The clips of season two look stunning (cybermen, Sarah Jane, cat people, K9!!) and now i have to get back to the pub and drink booze to get over how good it was!

[Ravenheart]

Oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!


That was bloody brilliant. Seriously brilliant and worth leaving the pub for!
Big spaceships, political satire, a new Doctor, Billie Piper acting her socks off and a nice cup of tea.

The clips of season two look stunning (cybermen, Sarah Jane, cat people, K9!!) and now i have to get back to the pub and drink booze to get over how good it was!


Its on over here in Canada tomorrow night.I can't wait to see it :D

[cactusmaac]

Good episode but David Tennant looks too Hollywoody for the role.

Would have preferred someone like Dylan Moran in the role.

[king mob]

Tennant was splendid even though he was barely in the first half hour.The Jarvis Cocker look was ace.

[Harry Angel]

Luckily for those of us living here in the good ol' US of A, the episode was ready for downloading about two hours after it aired on the BBC.

And it really was a great episode too.

Tennant fell right into the part and did a great job of being the Doctor without chewing up too much scenery, and I for one think that Billie Piper is just about the best companion ever.

I do miss Cap'n Jack, but everything else was just a great Christmas present.

[Ravenheart]

Pretty good episode.It looks like David Tennant is going to do a pretty good job playing the Doctor.I couldn't stop laughing when he was quoting lines from the Lion King LOL I also liked the running gag with Harriet Jones.At the end they showed a small preview for season 2 and it looks like its going to be pretty damn good.I'm especially looking forward to seeing episode 3,School Reunion, with the return of Sarah Jane-Smith.

[king mob]

I do miss Cap'n Jack, but everything else was just a great Christmas present.

We've got Torchwood to look forward to in August with Captain Jack action galore.

[king mob]

Viewing figures are in now.

9.8 million (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/4560594.stm)

[Gaz]

Tennant was splendid even though he was barely in the first half hour.The Jarvis Cocker look was ace.
I doubt Jarvis could get the PM voted out with one sentence though. :p
Pretty much everything the Doctor said after he was revived (by a cuppa!) was great though. The Lion King, the rant about what he's like now, the exposition about the voodoo/hypnosis.
"Witchcraft!" "Time Lord." :cool:
"An' it's a fightin' hand!" :D
"No second chances. I'm that sort of a man." :eek:

BTW, has it aired Down Under? I'd like to see what our resident Aussie Who nerd (yes, Matt, that's you) thinks of the new Doc.

[TCJohnson]

I just watched it. That episode was soo stupid in every good way possible. It was so much fun!

[Ravenheart]

I can't wait for the new season to start and I'm equally looking forward to the spinoff,Torchwood.I'm hoping it'll play here too.


"Torchwood is a spin-off of the highly popular Doctor Who series, which was recently brough back to television. It is due to air in the spring and summer of 2006. It will feature John Barrowman as Captain Jack Harkness and his sidekick, Gwen. The series will be about a group of renegade investigators of alien and human crime located in Cardiff in Wales. In the series there will be 13 episodes each 45 minutes long. Torchwood is an anagram of Doctor Who and that is where it's name comes from."

[lonewolf23k]

GAAAH!! I can't believe I completly forgot about Doctor Who! I missed it! :(

[Matt]

BTW, has it aired Down Under? I'd like to see what our resident Aussie Who nerd (yes, Matt, that's you) thinks of the new Doc.

It hasn't aired here, though that hasn't stopped me from seeing it.

I enjoyed it quite a lot and Tennet seems to play the Doctor extremely well.

[king mob]

GAAAH!! I can't believe I completly forgot about Doctor Who! I missed it! :(


If you're in the UK it's on BBC3 today and they're showing the interactive episode as well all day today.

[Ontir]

I've just seen the first 5 episodes of the new series. I like the blend of intended comedy with a dark undertone. In the first episode, when he tells the Nesting Consciousness that he fought in the war, and he couldn't save their world, he couldn't save any of them, I thought, "Which worlds coudln't he save?" Then the next ep., when the tree woman says it's amazing that he's even alive, and that she's sorry, I was wondering what race could be powerful enough to take out the Time Lords? It's enjoyable to see people like Rose's mom, Jax, and her boyfriend call her AND the Dr. on their stuff! I like Eccleston in the roll, it's too bad they couldn't keep him around for longer, but that's been true of most of the Doctors.

[Donald M.]

I like Eccleston in the roll, it's too bad they couldn't keep him around for longer, but that's been true of most of the Doctors.

But with one exception, they were all in the role for longer than one season/series.

Still Tennant says he plans to remain as the Doctor for a while. Not sure if I like him in the role yet though, with just the Christmas special to go on. He was pretty good, but he was only in like the last half.

[roguespirit]

But with one exception, they were all in the role for longer than one season/series.

Still Tennant says he plans to remain as the Doctor for a while. Not sure if I like him in the role yet though, with just the Christmas special to go on. He was pretty good, but he was only in like the last half.
Thats not unusual both Peter Davidson and Jon Pertwee spent most of their first adventures incapacitated.

[king mob]

I like Eccleston in the roll, it's too bad they couldn't keep him around for longer, but that's been true of most of the Doctors.


The plan was always for Eccleston to only be there for a series, the problem arose when the BBC jumped the gun and said he'd quit which wasn't the case.

As good as Eccleston was, his story has been told, there's a sense of 'right, thats it really' with him. Remember the new series was a massive, massive gamble by the BBC and everyone involved, especially when it cost 13 million quid of license payers money. Luckily it was a huge hit and justified that it is possible to do decent family drama in prime time again.

Tennant looks to be more of a traditional Doctor though, plus he clearly wants to be around for a few years at least. Then again he is a massive fanboy.

[Ravenheart]

I just finished watching the Christmas Invasion again and during the previews for season 2,the part where Sarah Jane-Smith is mentioned,I swear the voice saying her name was Anthony Stewart Head,Giles from Buffy the Vampire Slayer.

[Gaz]

I just finished watching the Christmas Invasion again and during the previews for season 2,the part where Sarah Jane-Smith is mentioned,I swear the voice saying her name was Anthony Stewart Head,Giles from Buffy the Vampire Slayer.
Tony's IN the trailer. He's in the episode with Sarah Jane and K9, probably as the villain. He's a school headmaster.

[Ravenheart]

Tony's IN the trailer. He's in the episode with Sarah Jane and K9, probably as the villain. He's a school headmaster.


I didn't notice he was actually in the trailer.I'll have to check it again.Thanks.

[Ontir]

I've got like 4 of the Eccleston eps left. I'm really loving the direction of the series. The sense of incredible loss, and masked dispair is amazing. There's the great bit in "the Empty Child," when Dr. Constantine says, "When this war began, I was a father and a grandfather. Now I'm neither, but I'm still a doctor." To which the Dr. responds, "I know how you feel." First words out of my mouth were, "SUSAN'S DEAD!"

I'm still wondering who could be powerful enough to take out ALL the Timelords? When they were hunkered down in the cathedral, after Rose caused the paradox, and the creatures were after them, the Dr. said that in the past, his people would've prevented such a threat. Now, it seems there are no Timelords in the past - ANYWHERE!

If they do find a way to bring him back, I think Simon Callow would be an inspired Master, though! :evilsmile

[Ravenheart]

I don't know if it came out in the US yet but it came out in Canada this week and my copy came today :D

http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/988/picture0044zc1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[DHX]

did anyone feel a little sorry for harriet jones? i know she got what she deserved but i could see her reasoning

[king mob]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/images/dvd_s2_vol1.jpg

Mmmm, yummy.

[Ravenheart]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/images/dvd_s2_vol1.jpg

Mmmm, yummy.


Looks nice but I guess we won't get The Christmas Invasion on DVD here in Canada until the second season comes out on DVD.

[Matt]

did anyone feel a little sorry for harriet jones? i know she got what she deserved but i could see her reasoning

Nah, she got exactly what she deserved. She acted really dishonourably, which I think was the huge contrast in the story.

Humanity were the lying, squirming side while the aliens, though violent, were always honest and perfectly clear in their goals - they even kept their promise to the Doctor and then Harriet did the really dishonourable thing and shot them in the back.

I was, however, left wondering what exactly the Doctor did when he spoke to her aide. I assume he slipped in a little hypnosis or mental suggestion when he said the six words; afterall, we do know he's very good at that sort of thing.

[Gaz]

Nah, she got exactly what she deserved. She acted really dishonourably, which I think was the huge contrast in the story.

Humanity were the lying, squirming side while the aliens, though violent, were always honest and perfectly clear in their goals - they even kept their promise to the Doctor and then Harriet did the really dishonourable thing and shot them in the back.

I was, however, left wondering what exactly the Doctor did when he spoke to her aide. I assume he slipped in a little hypnosis or mental suggestion when he said the six words; afterall, we do know he's very good at that sort of thing.
Nah, it's politics. The right words to the right person can lead to the fall of a leader. He says that to her aide, the aide says it to a friend, who passes it on to a journalist, rival or the opposition, it gets to the media... voila, one fallen PM.

[king mob]

I was, however, left wondering what exactly the Doctor did when he spoke to her aide. I assume he slipped in a little hypnosis or mental suggestion when he said the six words; afterall, we do know he's very good at that sort of thing.
Its refering to Thatcher in particular (and now Blair) who was described as "looking tired" in the months before she was sacked by the Tories.

[king mob]

The first teasers are online.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/tardisodes/

[Matt]

Hrm.
People really need to realise that Realvideo is an evil that must never be used.

[king mob]

Download (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=22WKLJ85) the first series two trailer, it's rather special..

[Matt]

For a while, when I've been bored, I've been working on a TARDIS overview thing - taking what we know from the classic TV series and novels and collating it. This is a draft of what I have thus far - *'s are, in the final version, links to reference where the information came from.

If anyone can think of anything I may have missed, feel free to speak up.

**************************************************

A TARDIS is the pinnacle of Time Travel technology of the Time Lords of the Planet Gallifrey and is quite possibly the most advanced ship in all of science fiction.

name
TARDIS is the abbreviation for Time And Relative Dimension In Space which in itself is a rough description of a TARDISes physical nature. On Gallifrey itself, they seem to be referred to both as TT (Time Travel) Capsules and TARDISes. The Type 40 TARDIS Information System refers to the craft as 'TARDISes and not 'TT Capsule'.


function
A TARDIS is a time machine; a vehicle which allows the users to go anywhere in all of Space/Time at will. The exact method on how a TARDIS travels is unknown but it is clear that the exterior shell enters the Time Vortex and travels along the Web of Time until the appropriate relative location in Space/Time is reached. Whenever the TARDIS enters or exists the Time Vortex, it creates a breach which it then automatically seals behind it - if this breach is not sealed, it can have negative effects upon the fabric of reality*. The forces outside a TARDIS while it travels would seem to be considerable powerful and somewhat dangerous. However, certain parts of the Time Vortex would seem to be relatively safe since castaway/adrift individuals stranded there without protection* can be retreived by a TARDIS without any apparent negative effects.
A TARDIS is also able to travel outside the barriers of space/time if necessary * but can not breach the barriers between different universes under its own power * without taking advantage of existing gateways* or knowing the proper, generally unavailable, procedures.
A TARDIS can materialise around objects, both living and non-organic, in Space/Time resulting in the object appearing within the interior dimenions of the ship without using the dimensional bridge of the Main Doors*. Objects usually appear within the primary Control Room though this can be changed at pilot discretion.

known systems
Banshee Circuit
Designed to be the last resort for a TARDIS to save itself under extreme circumstances. When all other systems fail, the Banshee Circuit will seek out any available resources it can use to survive*.

Chameleon Circuit
Governs the exterior form/shape/size of a TARDIS, designed to allow a materialising TARDIS blend in flawlessly with the local surrounds. The exterior of a TARDIS is the only part of the craft that exists as a real space/time event*, with the interior residing in another, connected dimension. The exterior is formed from a plasmic shell, which is what the Chameleon Circuit controls. The shape chosen by the Chameleon Circuits is automatically chosen by the TARDIS but can be over-riden manually from the Control Console. There appear to be very few limits regarding the form the outer plasmic shell can assume; with observed sizes ranging from a sedan chair to planetary bodies. If a TARDIS assumes the shape of a usable machine (for example, a car) then the shell will be usable as that machine.
A shell template is created any time a TARDIS assumes an exterior shape for the first time. Templates are stored in a 'Shell Room' within the TARDIS interior dimensions for easy future retrieval.
The outer shell is regarded as merely being a shadow of the TARDIS itself that is cast into Space/Time. As such, the outer shell is next to impervious to all physical attacks. The chameleon circuit can be set to make the exterior impervious to any marking, including attempts to paint the outer shell which results in paint simply falling off*.

Climate Control
The climate conditions around the outer shell generally do not effect the interior dimensions. Gravity always remains normal* and temperature usually remains unaffected. In extreme circumstances (eg, Event One), interior dimension heat can rise considerably to a level that the automatic systems can not handle. To vent this extra heat, a manual system must be engaged wherein ship systems will return interior temperature to normal levels*. The interior dimensions can automatically remove the effects of temporal attacks*, reversing such effects via a temporal field which surrounds the outer shell.
A Type 40 comes with environment shields to ensure that the atmosphere of the interior dimensions is not compromised upon opening the main doors in a hostile environment such as a vacuum. These shields can be extended beyond the interior for short range excursions in such environments*.

Cloister Bell
A general warning system designed to alert TARDIS occupants whenever the craft is in imminent danger that threatens to destroy the TARDIS. It consists of low, resonating bell strokes that sound throughout the interior dimensions.
Other known alarms include a life-support failure alarm, and a high-pitched structural integrity alarm*.

Defence Indefinite Timeloop Option
When active, the DITO system will place itself indefinitely one millisecond in the future to avoid being located. A TARDIS may activate this system automatically if it regards it as necessary*.

Doors
Type 40 TARDISes have two sets of Main Doors, an exterior set governed by the Chameleon Circuit that exist in Space/Time and then interior doors which exist only in the interior dimensions of the TARDIS. The outer doors are as impervious to damage as the rest of the outer plasmic shell. The interior doors are operated from a completely mechanical control on the Control Console or, in the case of power failure, can be opened manually with a crank device hidden in the Control Room wall. The Main Doors act as a dimensional bridge between the two TARDIS dimensions, joining Space/Time with the Control Room selected by the pilot. Closing the exterior doors from the outside of the craft will result in the closure of the interior doors automatically, similarly closing the interior doors from the Control Console will automatically close the outer doors.
If the doors open during Vortex travel, it can cause dimensional instabilities. Observed effects of this have included the occupants of a TT Capsule being reduced to doll size* and, in another incident, the Control Room becoming depressurised resulting in one occupant being sucked out through the Main Doors*. The exterior doors are lockable and various locking systems are available to pilots; A mechanicaly inclined lock that has 21 different holes within it - if the key is inserted into the wrong one then the entire locking mechanism melts down. Other observed systems include a metabolism/biodata detector which allow only those with pre-programmed biodatas entrance regardless if they have a key or not*. If a persons biodata is available, the entrance can be keyed to it so that entry is permanently barred to anyone with that biodata*.
There is an emergency exit in the form of an airlock that leads to rear of the outer shell*.

Food Machine
Type 40 TARDISes contain a food machine that can produce nutrient rich bars which, with the right codes, can be made to taste like near anything*. Later models create foodstuffs in their proper form, not in bar shape. The capacity of the food machine is immense, able to last hundreds of years without need for restocking (The Doctor's food machine ran out eventually, though in special circumstances*).

Forcefields
A Type 40 TARDIS employs at least two seperate defense shield systems (while the outer shell is invunerable it's best to have a multi-layered defence for obvious reasons). The first envelopes the entire outer dimensions and has been referred to* in a manner which suggests that it is used to block such things as collisions and mundane attacks. The forcefield was again seen*when used to cross from one TARDIS to another while both were travelling through the Time Vortex. The second system is the forcefield for the doors which have been quoted as running on a seperate system. This shield can be extended* to be used as a sort of corridor to walk from the TARDIS doors to whatever lies at the other end of the corridor. While the main forcefield is active, a TARDIS can not be transported elsewhere by outside forces*.
The forcefield generator resides in the base of the Control Console*.
The forcefield acts to filter the air whenever the Main Doors are opened, though it has been observed as being unable to filter nanobots from such things as clothing and lungs*.

Gravity Beam
A Type 40 TARDIS is capable of generating a Gravity Beam of considerable strength. This beam is strong enough, though it places massive strain on the ship, to stop the involuntary flight of a neutron star and to draw it off course*. The use of this beam on the neutron star resulted in temporary distortion of both the internal and external dimensions of the TARDIS.

Hazard Displacement System
HADS is an automatic function which moves a materialised TARDIS out of immediate danger without pilot input. If any attack upon the ship meets pilot inputted criteria, the TARDIS will dematerialise and relocate in the same timezone to any distance up to approximately mile away*.

(cont)

[Matt]

Interior Configuration System
The interior dimenions of a Type 40 TT Capsule are practically infinite in size and exist outside of Space/Time completely. The interior dimensions have at least a dozen levels. By using the Interior Configuration System, rooms can be created, moved or jettisoned from a TARDIS (jettisoned sections are sent into the Time Vortex). Walls can also be moved, created or deleted; this function has been used to trap hostile entities within the corridors until such time they can be properly handled. Night and day are created inside the TARDIS according to the brainwaves of the authorised occupants. Interior style is also dictated by this system and often reflects the nature of the Pilot. Jettisoning interior space into the Vortex can provide extra power to the TARDIS in case of emergency; deletion of 25% of a Type 40 TARDIS will result in an extra 17,000 tonnes of thrust*.
The interior of a TARDIS is considerably resistant to damage, being able to withstand a fusion reactor explosion with no notable structural damage* (though room contents can often be destroyed). In case of such explosions, internal shutters are automatically lowered and the energy is directed towards the Eye of Harmony which then absorbs the blast harmlessly.
Rooms observed to exist include: Primary, Secondary and Tertiary Control Rooms, numerous bedrooms, cricket pavilion, large wardrobes, gardens, a room of tissue-thin circuitry screens like webs of white lace, swimming pool, overgrown courtyard, food machine, zero room, cloister room, tennis court, conservatory, main drive, beach, a huge room filled with sand for cats, a meadow containing a large number of butterflies (previously sheep), shell room, laboratories, dark and dusty english tavern, TV Room, Cage lift, Hospital ward, wine cellar, indoor sports centre, ground car garage, water purification plant, quarantine bay, cricket nets, holographic representation of the galaxy (planetarium), a room so long it has its own horizon and a river, an empty room which records audio based diaries, Tin Mine, Ultrasonic showers, and near infinite corridors. The system can be used to select which Control Room is the 'primary' control room that the Main doors connect to.
A TARDIS may make automatic changes to internal configuration to ensure the safety of the craft and occupants, even if the occupants are unaware of the source of the danger. Observed changes have included the deletion of the main doors, removal of controls from the control console, electrification of control console, over riding the lock on the main door and thus refusing access to the pilot. Occupants can be protected from dangers present in the interior dimenions by the ship automatically created a 'Minus Room', a space which reflects time away*.

Power Systems
The main power source of a TARDIS is the Eye of Harmony, a specially tailored black hole located on Gallifrey, which continously transmits power through the Time Vortex to a Block Transfer Computation created copy of the Eye within the TARDIS, which is then sent throughout the ship to various systems. If the local Eye of Harmony is opened, the TARDIS experiences loss of Main Power loss*.
A TARDISes dynamorphic generators are its power source, processing the energy gained from the Eye of Harmony (and other sources), they are vast chambers containing huge emerald columns called Trachoid time crystals, and these chambers are big enough to have clouds and thunderstorms. The Power Room's architecture reflects the personality of the TARDISes owner*.
Zeiton-7 Ore is a vital component of this power transmission system, being a transitional element that lines the trans-power system*. If supplies of this ore are depleted within a TARDIS then main power can not be transferred throughout the ship even if it is present within the local Eye of Harmony - this results in the loss of all travelling abilities to the TARDIS though scanning and life support systems will remain indefinitely active.
If Eye of Harmony power is unavailable, a TARDIS is capable of drawing energy from other available sources including bottled pocket universes. The energy storage capacity of a Type 40 is considerable, with a disabled and partly dismantled TT Capsule being able to store the total power output of late 1970's era Great Britain with apparent ease*.

State of Temporal Grace
To protect the occupants of a TARDIS, this system automatically nullifies any and all physical or psionic hostile actions that are attempted* against the pilot or recognised authorised personnel. This system has been observed to be effective against gunfire, energy weapons and mental blasts. Those under hypnotic control or other mental influence are freed of such effects once they enter the neutral time of a TARDIS.

Sensors
A Type 40 is equipped with an impressive sensor package, able to accurately measure all manner of variables ranging from radioactivity, gravity, heat, humidity, temporal anomalies, power sources and radar. The sensors would appear to tie in with TARDIS landing routines, locating an inconspicious spot for the TARDIS to materialise in Space/Time. The sensors scan Space/Time even when travelling through the Time Vortex.
Internal sensors are present which monitor any faults which may appear in internal systems. There is an external visual scanner which can pan around the outer shell and relay the images to the view screen in the Control Room. The form of this visual display can range, depending on interior TARDIS configuration, from a screen in a wall to an overhead holographic style display that appears above the control console. Also seen is an Image Translator system which scans nearby Space/Time and translates otherwise non-viewable scenes to the TARDIS interior display system.

Telepathic Circuits
To assist in inter-species communication, TARDIS telepathic circuits automatically translate almost any known spoken langauge into the native tongue of any recognised personel and vice-versa. Written text can also be translated in this manner. This ability is not hampered by spacial or temporal distance from the ship.
The Telepathic Circuits automatically nullify the effects of the condition known as 'jet lag' in capsule occupants.
A TARDIS shares something of a mental link with its pilot. A Time Lord can usually only be linked with one TARDIS at any one time. This link is established when a pilotless/ownerless TARDIS is introduced to a potential new pilot and requires the TARDISes approval to succeed. This link allows the TARDIS to take on some of the pilots characteristics (such as elements of interior configuration) and to better communicate with the pilot on an empathic level.
The telepathic circuits also allow two TARDISes to communicate while in the Time Vortex. This system can also be used by a TARDIS to send non-direct messages to the inhabitants of the ship in times of danger*.
The telepathic circuits are also utilised as a low level security measure; unless a given person is looking hard at the outer shell, their senses are inclined to skip over it without paying it much attention*.

(cont)

[Matt]

Time Vector Generator
A vital system, if shut down or removed the result is a complete ship wide deactivation - resulting in the interior dimensions being completely separated from the outer shell, shunted to an alternate dimension, though the outer shell remains intact in Space/Time* and acts as if it were a genuine example of the imitated object (to the extent it will decay over time like the object would naturally)*. Upon reactivation, the interior dimensions can undergo considerable reconfiguration*. Indications are that any living beings inside a TARDIS upon such shutdown will suffer an unfortunate fate. Leaving the Time Vector Generator deactivated for too long will result in irreperable damage to a TARDIS.

Zero Room
The Zero Room* was promoted as being a zone in which there were no outside forces at work; even gravity which is quoted as being 'only local'. A Zero Room would appear to be used mainly for relaxation and healing purposes; meditation and recuperating from Regenerations. The doors from the Zero Room can be cannibalised to make a 'zero cabinet' (coffin like object) which boasted the same properties as the Zero Room.

destruction
Event One
One of the few natural forces that can destroy a TARDIS, it is a described as a massive hydrogen in-rush. It is another name for the 'Big Bang' which created the Universe as we know it. As a TARDIS approaches Event One warnings appear on both the main Control Console (specifically listing 'Event One' as being beyond engineering tolerances. Type 40 TARDISes are rated for tolerance of any environment up to and including the inside of a quasar*.) as well as the Cloister Bell being activated. The interior dimensions grow considerably hotter; both the control console and walls were uncomfortable to touch and seemed to cause burns while smoke could clearly be seen. This heat, even with the automatic systems trying to compensate, causes system shut downs until the heat is vented manually. Once the TARDIS crosses the Event One field it is unable to escape without finding extra power due to the pull of the 'Time Force' which is stated as being 'many orders of magnitude greater than gravity'*.

Self Destruct
By detonating the local Eye of Harmony, a pilot may cause a TARDIS to self destruct; usually to avoid the craft falling into the possession of hostile forces.

Time Ram
A Time Ram is when two TARDISes materialise/collide into each other at the same point in Space/Time, often resulting in mutual destruction of both craft. This does not always result in the destruction of either TARDIS but is still regarded as being extremely dangerous*. If an attempted Time Ram misses temporally but hits spacially, it can result in the outer shells of both craft appearing in the interior dimensions of the other in an endless loop*.

Weapons
Advanced War TARDIS models have been observed as possessing weapons which are capable of disabling or destroying another TARDIS*.

miscellaneous
A TARDIS appears to be semi to fully sentient, being able to communicate with its pilot on a subconscious level through the telepathic circuits as well as possessing a strong self preservation instinct. They have been observed to refuse entry to authorised pilots, remove switches/levers from the Control Console completely when not wishing the pilot to perform certain acts. They have gone so far as electrifying the Control Console to achieve similar results. A TARDIS may is able to sense it's own demise in the future and take steps to either attempt to avoid such a fate or prepare for the event.

Unlike later models, a Type 40 TARDIS has no weapon systems.

The following is the text from a screen of the TARDIS Information System* which describes a portion of the TARDIS landing procedure:
Standard Flight Procedures, Stage 387. If the logical to physical mapping techniques described in stages 11-275 have been understood and implemented i-o ambiguities should not normally create difficulties at this stage. On zeroing the co-ordinate differential automatic systems reactivate the real world interface, see: Main Door, The Opening of. Main door closure techniques, though not a direct reversal of the above procedure, are centered around similar differential layer-slippage to create the minimum of user involvement in the mathematical sub-structure.

Bladamite tubing, a positive cretathole converter, and a psio-linguistic translator are fundamental aspects of TARDIS technology*. The Control Console contains fluid links which contain mercury; if these fluid links lose their contents then the TARDIS is unable to dematerialise though life support and all other abilities remain unaffected. The TARDIS uses morphologically unstable living organic matter to handle its block transfer computations*. The core systems of the TARDIS intelligence are protected by teleplasmic minefields and contain several sub-intelligences*.

TARDISes are not built in the conventional sense but are instead grown.

305 Type 40 TARDIS machines were commisioned. Only one is known to be left in operation, the model is considered as being an obsolete antique*.

TARDIS systems can read Gallifreyan punch cards but are too advanced to read Earth Compact Disks.

A TARDIS can be programmed so that it will dematerialise as soon as the pilot steps aboard. The controls can be set to be isomorphic (responsive only to the biological signs of the pilot)*. A TARDIS can be set to take voice instructions from the pilot*. There are passive defence systems so that select creatures that reside in the Time Vortex are prevented from noticing travelling TARDISes*.

A TT Capsule has the ability to manufacture any kind of known currency including gold*.

On landing, a TARDIS automatically scans local (planetwide) broadcasts, its computer and satellite systems, and analyses city layout. This information is stored in a database*.

A TARDIS has a massive self regenerating/repair capability. If a small remnant (smallest atom) of the outer shell survives detonation, for example, a TARDIS can fully regenerate both exterior and interior dimensions within a century when main power is not available. Ruptures in the outer shell are repaired in a quite short time*.

A section of a TARDIS may be separated from the main craft and used for independent travel. This off-shoot has limited range and functionality, appearing as a pre-built shell template, but is of great use if a TARDIS has been somehow incapacitated*.

Source Material: This text includes information from the classic (1963-1989) Dr Who TV Series, the 1996 Movie The Enemy Within and the various Dr Who novels. It does not include information presented in the 2005+ Dr Who series as it is quite clear that the TARDIS in that series has undergone massive modifications to remain functioning. Dr Who comic strips are also not included as being acceptable information sources for the purpose of this text.

[Sanagi]

Hrm.
People really need to realise that Realvideo is an evil that must never be used.
This is the truest statement ever to be communicated over the internet.

[Kirayoshi]

Tony's IN the trailer. He's in the episode with Sarah Jane and K9, probably as the villain. He's a school headmaster.A headmaster?

Or is he the head--MASTER?

Okay, probably not, but wouldn't it be cool?

[Spike-X]

A fairly basic question I just thought of - do we know that the first Doctor (played by William Hartnell) was actually the first Doctor (ie had not yet undergone any regenerations)? Or are we just assuming it?

[Matt]

No, it was definitely the first. Such has been stated in the TV series and many, many times in the Novels.

Trivia time:
The first Doctor only had one heart, whereas every incarnation since has had two. Time Lords gain a second heart when they regenerate for the first time.

[king mob]

A headmaster?

Or is he the head--MASTER?

Okay, probably not, but wouldn't it be cool?
It's not The Master though there's huge hints he will be back by series 3.

[Spike-X]

No, it was definitely the first. Such has been stated in the TV series and many, many times in the Novels.

Trivia time:
The first Doctor only had one heart, whereas every incarnation since has had two. Time Lords gain a second heart when they regenerate for the first time.
Cool, thanks.

[Matt]

It does get kind of messy, however, when you take into consideration that the Doctor is the reloomed reincarnation of a historical Gallifreyan figure known as The Other, who worked alongside Rassilon and Omega.

[king mob]

The show is more or less back, CBBC are running specials and BBC3 are having a Who night....

[king mob]

Leamington Spa Lifeboat Museum (http://www.leamingtonspalifeboatmuseum.co.uk/)

[king mob]

ooOOOOooooo

http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/images/radiotimes_s2_cover_big.jpg

[king mob]

Lots of spoilertastic clips here. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLubDuktknU)

[Chou Blaster]

Well this Dr. has 2 hearts.

And yeah, i know the Daleks are EVIL, evil creatures.. (Not truely evil, but to destroy all that is not Dalek, well yikes.)

But yeah, and cosndiering you cna see a line up of the death amchines.. I guess in one of the time travel trips.. They go to a time the Daleks are far more common.

Also, glad that guy who "owns the inte rnet" got his.

And kudos to the death plunger.

[Phil Clark]

I loved the line "What are you going to do, plunger me to death?" just before getting just that treatment. This return of the Doctor has been one wonderful surprise after another. And the stories are not anywhere near as formulaic as the old series. It will be interesting to see how the Daleks return, if they do indeed return.

And it is always cool to see a mindless killing machine get a soul. I almost felt sorry for the Dalek.

[bert]

It will be interesting to see how the Daleks return, if they do indeed return.



Well. . . the Tardis does travel thru time as well as space. . .

should be relatively simple to just go back to a time during the great war, if they want to use the Daleks again.

[Gaz]

Well. . . the Tardis does travel thru time as well as space. . .

should be relatively simple to just go back to a time during the great war, if they want to use the Daleks again.
I suppose they could do that... :evilsmile

[Gaz]

HE'S BACK!!!!!!
And damn you, Davies! What does the Face of Boe know? Why does Queen Victoria have a gun? How come Mickey has K9? And where do you get these catchy nicknames for the Doctor? "Lonely God" indeed...

[Ripper]

Was it just me or when the wide shot of Rose and the Doctor getting ready to leave panned out you could see the faint outline of 'Bad Wolf' on the tarmac? Im talking literally seconds into the first episode of this new series.

[Sanagi]

"Broken... Broken... Hair dryer..."

[Phil Clark]

Well. . . the Tardis does travel thru time as well as space. . .

should be relatively simple to just go back to a time during the great war, if they want to use the Daleks again.

But if I understand it correctly... the Time Lords and the Daleks not only were wiped out, but they were literally were erased from time, as if they never existed. Only this Dalek and the Doctor were able to avoid being completly erased from time.

[DDM]

But if I understand it correctly... the Time Lords and the Daleks not only were wiped out, but they were literally were erased from time, as if they never existed. Only this Dalek and the Doctor were able to avoid being completly erased from time.

Yes, the Time Lords & Daleks seemed to have wiped each other out. The Doctor & the one Dalek are the only survivors. However, given the Dalek mutates further & does not die at the end of the show, the Dalek opens a time bubble to travel through time & space--seeking out more Daleks--will more than likely alter the timestream & see the inevitable return of the Daleks for another episode. The Daleks will be different from previous versions due to the original surviving Dalek's mutation for emotions...

[Matt]

Doctor Who: New Earth.
(Here be spoilers)

Hm. An interesting episode, really, though one with a lot of plot holes in it. I'm amazed the Doctor was able to be mentally hi-jacked at all considering every single attempt at it I can think of had his mind either a) destroying the mental attacker b) sending said attacker mad or c) leaving the attacker with a stunned look on their face thinking 'WTH was that?!'.

Zombie angle was nice, though I would have liked to have seen more of The Face, guessing he'll pop up later in this season.

[Spike-X]

More spoilers here!!








I'd read a couple of weeks ago that Rose and the Doctor were going to have a kissing scene. I was worried, but I had faith that it wasn't going to lead to a "jumping the shark" moment. Glad to see I was right. Although Rose and the Doctor have a wonderful chemistry together, I'd hate to see them become a couple as such, or worse, end up with the typical cliched unresolved sexual tension.

[The Fury]

Zombie angle was nice, though I would have liked to have seen more of The Face, guessing he'll pop up later in this season.
Ditto on that, and hopefully he will.

Nice opening episode.

[artist2b]

I was very dissapointed when I found out that Christopher Eccleston was going to be replaced. But I just saw a scene from the first David Tennant episode and he's pretty cool as the doctor. I don't remember the old Doctor Who series very well. All I remember is Tom Baker with the huge bushy hair. I just started watching this one with the first episode on the Sci-fi Channel.

[ragnarok_2012]

I was reserving judgment somewhat re: Tennant until I saw him in a full episode. He's really quite good.

SPOILERS AHOY.....










Nice use of psychic paper.

It was fun seeing Billie Piper play Cassandra. Ditto for Tennant. They might have disregarded continuity with the mind control, but it was fun.

Tennant reminds me a bit of Pertwee. I really really really want to see him use Venusian Aikido.

[king mob]

Finally saw last Saturdays episode and it seemed very light for an opening episode, almost as if it were easing you back into the series. Next weeks looks totally astonishing with fuck-off scary werewolves and all manner of nastys.

[king mob]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/episodes/2006/fear/f-toothandclaw-pre.shtml

Kids never lie............

[artist2b]

Does anybody know where you can get posters in America for the new Doctor Who series? I've looked on AllPosters.com, Ebay, etc. I've only found maybe one and it's the Dalek poster. I'd like to get the Doctor and Rose poster. The one with the Ninth Doctor and Rose would probably be my first choice. Ebay's got a bunch but they're all in the UK and I figure it's too much trouble to buy one from there. I've gotten an Aerosmith poster from the UK on Ebay once.

[Deathstroke]

Who was that woman who gave Adam the implant?

Talk about a sexy seductive voice.

[ChrisIII]

Tamsin Greigg:

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0340067/

[Deathstroke]

Tamsin Greigg:

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0340067/


Thanks ChrissIII!

[LordEd1976]

Tamsin Greigg:

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0340067/

That woman can operate on me whenever she wants.

[DoubleShot]

So far the only one I've completely enjoyed was the Dalek episode. Not to say that the others weren't good I just think they could have been better. I'm probably thinking this way because I've seen most of the Dr. Who episodes and wish they would have longer story arcs instead of the one story per episode.

Everyone does know that the second doctor had a Dalek story where they had emotions right?

I'm loving how he's choosing his companions and how he treats them.

[king mob]

Come on Liverpool, don't let the game go into extra time so we have to wait even longer for this weeks episode.

[king mob]

Fuck me, that was utter joy. The werewolf looked wonderful (and surely scared all the kids out there), Tennant is fitting the role perfectly and we get the start of Torchwood to boot. Possibly one of the best episodes of Who ever.

Right, pub now.

[DDM]

Will we see Adam again? I mean he needs to get rid of the microchip implant. Otherwise, I see Adam is the source for the parasite Editor-in-Chief to be born...

[Gaz]

Fuck me, that was utter joy. The werewolf looked wonderful (and surely scared all the kids out there), Tennant is fitting the role perfectly and we get the start of Torchwood to boot. Possibly one of the best episodes of Who ever.

Right, pub now.
I think Queen Vic's speech about Torchwood should've been trimmed down. It was too much too quickly. The last couple of sentences could've been cut and it would've been much cooler.

[Popgun]

This week's tie-in site:

http://www.visittorchwood.co.uk/

[Jack]

I think Queen Vic's speech about Torchwood should've been trimmed down. It was too much too quickly. The last couple of sentences could've been cut and it would've been much cooler.
Agreed. But, on the other hand, they are trying to promote a spin-off series, so I'm perfectly willing to forgive them going overboard on that front. If it were just foreshadowing for later in the series then that would be different, of course, but it's not.

Anyway, it was a great episode. Genuinely scary at some points, with a very well-performed Queen Victoria and some wonderful Doctor moments. I really liked the shot of the Doctor and the Wolf both leaning against the door. Oh, and "Oh, 1879! Same difference."

So, does this whole thing mean the Bad Wolf thread isn't over? The Wolf's comments were ever so mysterious.

[king mob]

It does look as if the Bad Wolf thing will run and run, so it's interesting to see what they intend to do with it.

As for the end speech, yes it was long but as said it's set up for Torchwood and it did so quite nicely as anyone unaware of it will now be very interested as to whats going on.

And the Ian Dury bit at the start was fantastic.


Next week, K9!

[Gaz]

Oh, and "Dr James McCrimmon", heh...
Also, David got to be Scottish!!!

[Chou Blaster]

Will we see Adam again? I mean he needs to get rid of the microchip implant. Otherwise, I see Adam is the source for the parasite Editor-in-Chief to be born...


That's the irony of Time Travel, Adam very well could be the source of that problem as the Dr. lefted him.

[king mob]

The end also seems to be a set up for the Doctor and Rose to have their actions come back and bring them down to earth with a bump if you believe what RTD has said. Apparently later in the series their treating adventures as fun comes to haunt them.

[Popgun]

Oh, and "Dr James McCrimmon", heh...
Also, David got to be Scottish!!!

From the 'Township of Balamory", no less!

[Web of Fear]

Trivia time:
The first Doctor only had one heart, whereas every incarnation since has had two. Time Lords gain a second heart when they regenerate for the first time.

I've been a Who fan for ages (and picked my username from my favourite Troughton story). Hope you don't mind me asking where this bit of trivia comes from.

[Matt]

The first Doctor had his heart rate checked in a couple of stories, including The Daleks by Ian Chesterton - who noted nothing out of the ordinary and there's no way he'd miss two distinct heartbeats. On the other hand, we were told straight out in a 2nd Doctor story that the 2nd Doctor did have two hearts, a physical trait every incarnation of the Doctor seen shares.

It was also an area explained in a few of the Dr Who novels.

[Web of Fear]

It was also an area explained in a few of the Dr Who novels.

Ah, that explains how I've missed it. Simply can't keep pace with all the novels, Big Finish audios... :confused:

[Gaz]

The end also seems to be a set up for the Doctor and Rose to have their actions come back and bring them down to earth with a bump if you believe what RTD has said. Apparently later in the series their treating adventures as fun comes to haunt them.
That's more to do with the Tenth Doc's God complex, and their almost arrogant assumption that they'll save the day. (See Rose and the Doctor gushing about seeing a real werewolf while in deadly peril, then getting verbally bitch-slapped by Her Majesty)

[king mob]

Yes, it seems that this is this seasons 'theme' and from the looks of the trailers for next week is something they'll expand further.


Oooo, K9 next week.....

[thehod]

Oooo, K9 next week.....

Have you seen the new K-9? (http://www.c21media.net/news/detail.asp?area=1&article=30070)

[Spike-X]

Have you seen the new K-9? (http://www.c21media.net/news/detail.asp?area=1&article=30070)
Something for the younger viewers, I guess.

[king mob]

Have you seen the new K-9? (http://www.c21media.net/news/detail.asp?area=1&article=30070)
Yeah, it's a bit more CBBC than i was expecting.

[Phil Clark]

Where the heck did Rose's boyfriend from last weeks episode come from? I don't remember seeing him before. And I thought she had been involved with Mikey.

[Matt]

Where the heck did Rose's boyfriend from last weeks episode come from? I don't remember seeing him before. And I thought she had been involved with Mikey.

Adam joined the TARDIS crew at the end of Dalek, leaving at the end of The Long Game after Rose realised what a git he was.

[ChrisIII]

Apparentally while the U.S Sci-fi ratings have been so-so, the British ratings for the new season have been really hot-Tooth and Claw got 10 million viewers, on par with Rose and Christmas Invasion.

"School Reunion" has the benefit of nostalgia plus probably the most hype outside of the Cybermen episodes so it might be even higher.

[king mob]

It should do well, it's a bank holiday weekend this weekend though which might affect things.

[king mob]

Wonderful, simply wonderful bit of telly. Well done to the BBC and all concerened for this bit of sheer joy.

Sarah Jane (come on, who didn't have a lump in their throat at the "my Sarah Jane" line") and K9, plus Billie on form, Tennant making the role well and truely his and Mickey becoming interesting at last.

I need beer after this to stop whooping like a fanboy

[Jack]

I missed the very beginning, which I'm annoyed about, but I thought it was a good episode. Not as good as last week's, but still good. The various relationships were all very well done (loved the weirdness contest between Sarah Jane and Rose). And Mickey becomes a genuine Companion! I thought Mickey turning down the chance to come along was one of the highlights of the last series.

K9 was awesome, of course. The reference to Torchwood wasn't over the top. Anthony Head did a good job. Interesting that he remembered the Time Lords.

With this series seeming to have the themes of loneliness and the Doctor as a God, I wonder if the Time Lords are going to be returning..

[Gaz]

"Ignore the shooty dog thing!" :D
"I'm so old... I used to have so much mercy...":eek:
"Goodbye... my Sarah-Jane!"
"I'm the tin dog!"
"We are in a car."

and of course

"You bad dog..."
"Affirmative."

So many awesome lines in one show...

[Web of Fear]

So many awesome lines in one show...

I liked "the missus and the ex wife" :D

[Spike-X]

Some great characterisation in this week's episode. Brilliant performance from Elisabeth Sladen.

And yes, I get a little misty at the end...

[Jack]

Some great characterisation in this week's episode. Brilliant performance from Elisabeth Sladen.

And yes, I get a little misty at the end...Ah, I think the moment of the episode was Sarah Jane finding the Tardis, and the wonderful shot of her turning as the Doctor stands behind her, and her understanding who he is.

[king mob]

http://www.deffryvaleschool.org.uk/index.shtml

[Dizzy D]

I missed the very beginning, which I'm annoyed about, but I thought it was a good episode. Not as good as last week's, but still good. The various relationships were all very well done (loved the weirdness contest between Sarah Jane and Rose). And Mickey becomes a genuine Companion! I thought Mickey turning down the chance to come along was one of the highlights of the last series.

K9 was awesome, of course. The reference to Torchwood wasn't over the top. Anthony Head did a good job. Interesting that he remembered the Time Lords.

With this series seeming to have the themes of loneliness and the Doctor as a God, I wonder if the Time Lords are going to be returning..

I didn't like the episode that much. I guess probably because I don't have no emotional connection to Sarah Jane and K9. I know who they are, but that's basically it. The Doctor, Rose and Mickey were great as usual, but I felt that Anthony Stewart Head could have been given more to work with.

[king mob]

Anthony Head was a bit lost in the whole nostalgia fest but he had one great scene (the swimming pool scene) and he got the 'shooty dog thing' line.

[tricksterpup]

Ah, I think the moment of the episode was Sarah Jane finding the Tardis, and the wonderful shot of her turning as the Doctor stands behind her, and her understanding who he is.
I thought that was fantastic. It was a great episode and I have a sneaky suspicion that we are going to see Anthony Head reappear this season. I just feel it.
You can already sense they are building up to something again. Did any one realize they used the Term BAD WOLF in tooth and claw.

[king mob]

It would be good if they did bring Head back, if only so the new series can get a decent recurring baddie of its own.

[Spike-X]

It would be good if they did bring Head back...

"What does everybody want?!?!"

http://www.mraksports.com/Memorabilia/Wrestling/Wrestling8x10/PHOTO_SNOW_WRESTLING_wm.jpg

[tricksterpup]

"What does everybody want?!?!"

http://www.mraksports.com/Memorabilia/Wrestling/Wrestling8x10/PHOTO_SNOW_WRESTLING_wm.jpg
Off subject but yes, this is what WWE needs, more head. :D





I rewatched Class reunion last night, it is becoming my favorite episode so far. I just love the interaction of all the characters and some revealations about the Doctor and how he thinks.


I was going to put a spoiler but I can't, its just to good to miss, you need to see it for yourself.

[ChrisIII]

Is it just me or does anybody else think John Barrowman would be the perfect Hal Jordan/Green Lantern II?

[regnak]

Ok I saw tonights episode on Sci Fi and have one question. Why were all of those homeless kids in London? I know the Doctor asked the question but I missed the answer.

[Adrian Tullberg]

Ok I saw tonights episode on Sci Fi and have one question. Why were all of those homeless kids in London? I know the Doctor asked the question but I missed the answer.

During the Blitz http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Blitz nearly every child http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evacuations_of_civilians_in_Britain_during_World_W ar_IIwas evacuated from London to the countryside.

These children in The Empty Child seem to have evaded the authorities or run away from their caretakers to return to the city for various reasons (sexual abuse was inferred in one instance)

[Spike-X]

During the Blitz http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Blitz nearly every child http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evacuations_of_civilians_in_Britain_during_World_W ar_IIwas evacuated from London to the countryside.


This was also a plot point in the Chronicles Of Narnia.

[ChrisIII]

London evacuees play sort of a crucial role in the Seventh Doctor story THE CURSE OF FENRIC also set during the second World War.

[regnak]

During the Blitz http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Blitz nearly every child http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evacuations_of_civilians_in_Britain_during_World_W ar_IIwas evacuated from London to the countryside.

These children in The Empty Child seem to have evaded the authorities or run away from their caretakers to return to the city for various reasons (sexual abuse was inferred in one instance)

Ok I knew the first part from the Narnia movie. I just didn't catch the reason they came back or evaded authority. Thanks.

[tricksterpup]

Well tonight is the Fourth New Doctor Who: The Girl in the Fireplace. Looks really good and I look forward to seeing it. :)
I am starting to already see the connection, this season's main theme is Torchwood. Its being mentioned in almost every episode. I believe they are gearing up to the spin off series for John Barrowman. From what I hear a few other Doctor Alumni will also appear in this series as well.

[Jack]

If Torchwood was mentioned in this episode then I missed it.

Anyway, I thought this one was fantastic. Best yet of this series. It had everything you need from Doctor Who.

It starts right after last week's episode with Mickey's first adventure, which finds them on a damaged spaceship in the 51st century. Right away things get weird, as throughout the ship there are windows in time going back to 18th century France, all of them centred around one woman..

The concepts were just as bizarre and wacky as you'd want, everything made sense... naturally there was good charisma between the Doctor and Renette (played by David Tennant's real life girlfriend)... There were some wonderful lines ("Everyone has nightmares, even monsters." "What would a monster's nightmare be?" "ME!")... It was just all round excellent television. I especially liked the final shot.

Next week: an alternate Earth, with Cybermen!

[Spike-X]

*wipes eyes*

What a magnificent episode. This show just gets better and better.

[The Fury]

Dittoing above as this episode was very good.

[king mob]

Lovely episode which although inspired by things like Sapphire and Steel (no bad thing) managed to be one of the most original episodes of Who ever. Plus the Doctor shags a hot babe, so wooo.


However the Keepers of the Flame at Outpost Gallifrey are have some great criticisms of the show. My faves are...

sigh. The entire production team just chose to maliciously laugh at me because they've had sex, and I haven't. And they used my father figure to do it. Sod you, then. 1/5

Why would Azimov's Laws be ignored by the designers of the automata?

You get the impression these people would only be happy with the show if it was Tom Baker, and a simpering but pretty female assistant running round an alien spaceship being chased by Daleks, Cybermen, Yeti and Sontarans.

Anyhow, next week, Cybermen!

http://www.manchesteronline.co.uk/ContentResources/743.$plit/C_17_photogallery_396_list_photo_list_photo_item_1 _photo.jpg

[LordEd1976]

During the Blitz http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Blitz nearly every child http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evacuations_of_civilians_in_Britain_during_World_W ar_IIwas evacuated from London to the countryside.

These children in The Empty Child seem to have evaded the authorities or run away from their caretakers to return to the city for various reasons (sexual abuse was inferred in one instance)

The infected people freaked me out. They must have really done a good job of it too since later that evening I heard a kid calling for his mom and I nearly freaked.

I'm never looking at a gas mask the same way again.

[tricksterpup]

Lovely episode which although inspired by things like Sapphire and Steel (no bad thing) managed to be one of the most original episodes of Who ever. Plus the Doctor shags a hot babe, so wooo.


However the Keepers of the Flame at Outpost Gallifrey are have some great criticisms of the show. My faves are...



You get the impression these people would only be happy with the show if it was Tom Baker, and a simpering but pretty female assistant running round an alien spaceship being chased by Daleks, Cybermen, Yeti and Sontarans.

Anyhow, next week, Cybermen!

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I think those fans really need to get a life. I was upset with BattleStar Galactica but after watching the series, I am all there. Its a well written show as goes for this incarnation of Dr. Who.

I just saw Girl in the Fireplace and it was a beautiful show. For me it was another poke at a theme that was stated last episode. They can spend the rest of their lives with the Doctor but he can not with them. Its just pointing out how the Doctor can not find true love since he is almost immortal and being 900 years, he is close to it.

I say keep on bringing on more episodes of this caliber, it was top notch. I look forward to the other metal clad villains next week.

For those who have seen this episode, do you think this is the point where time is altered and we see that Alternate or divergant earth? But then again, this is Dr. Who, and there is nothing Alternate about it.